How not to get out of an arrest

[secret-steve-crumbles]

http://media.graytvinc.com/images/JoseCruz.jpg

As if getting a DUI wasn’t enough, a man arrested for driving under the influence got in a lot more trouble at the police station.

Police stopped Jose Cruz on Route 60 in South Charleston Monday night for driving with his headlights off.

Then, he failed sobriety tests and was arrested.

When police were trying to get fingerprints, police say Cruz moved closer to the officer and passed gas on him. The investigating officer remarked in the criminal complaint that the odor was very strong.

Cruz is now charged with battery on a police officer, as well as DUI and obstruction.

Full Article (http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/29653059.html)

[tokenuser]

I fart in your general direction.

-OzIMHowtL8

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt like elderberries.


South Charleston police obviously have no sense of humour.

[masherscf]

That's discrimination. That guy probably had irritable bowel syndrome and was just nervous.

[tokenuser]

That's discrimination. That guy probably had irritable bowel syndrome and was just nervous.With a name like Jose Cruz ... maybe he was French?

[bigshotprof]

Apparently he abrogated his right to remain silent (but deadly).

[masherscf]

Apparently he abrogated his right to remain silent (but deadly).

I think that you deserve to get arrested for that.

[peppersghost]

That's so retarded.

[gonzooo]

That's so retarded.
What's retarded is someone thought there needed to be a picture of the guy together with the story.

[masherscf]

What's retarded is someone thought there needed to be a picture of the guy together with the story.

Your right, just saying the name was enough to remind us of the man's unamericaness.

[straylightrise]

that is funnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[secret-steve-crumbles]

What's retarded is someone thought there needed to be a picture of the guy together with the story.
Here you go:

Reporter: Courtney Sisk
Email Address: courtney.sisk@wsaz.com

You can email her and complain about getting too much information with her story.

[tokenuser]

Whats even more retarded is that you copied the entire story - including the photo ... then posted a link to the "full story" as if there was more to know/see.

[bigshotprof]

Here you go:



You can email her and complain about getting too much information with her story.

Well, Steve. I did that, and she was nice enough to send me an audio file of the entire original arrest. I have transcribed the relevant parts below:

8:39 PM subject seen leaving Juan's Taco Castilo at a high rate of speed with headlights off. Officers pursued. When suspect saw lights, he attempted to elude capture. Pursuing officers called for Helicopter back-up. Officers continued pursuit and pulled suspect vehicle over at 8:52 PM.

As officers were calling in the plate. Suspect emerged from the car holding a long cylindrical object and waving it in a threatening manner at the police car. The officer shined his spot on the suspect and identified the object as a Juan's Burrito Supremo approximately 24" long and 4" in diameter. Officers emerged from the squad car and shouted "Put the burrito on the hood, and step away from the vehicle!"

Igonoring the officers' order, the suspect instead ran to the front of his car, ducked down consumed approximatey 1/2 of the burrito, then dropped is trousers and committed a 418: dispersion of unregulated gaseous substance without proper environmental impact permits and hazmat protection.

The subject then proceed to--in the officer's words--"reload and fire again."
A second squad car arrived on the scene at this point flanking the suspect. His first action was to assess the situation and broadcast a 622: Chopper down!

Officers attempted to subdue the suspect with chemical mace. The attempt failed when said mace interacted with the gaseous substance surrounding the suspect and bubbled harmlessly to the ground.

The officers established a safe zone and waited for negotiators to arrive. However, within minutes the suspect surrendered himself to the officers, apparently motivated by having consumed his entire "Barril o' Mountain Dew" and needing relief.

The suspect was detained without further incident and taken to the station for booking--where additional charges were added, as reported.

There.
That should clear things up.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Whats even more retarded is that you copied the entire story - including the photo ... then posted a link to the "full story" as if there was more to know/see.Damn, Democrats pretty much find anyway possible to live their lives in misery. Never seen so many complaints about a link to a story before.

Usually lefties are the first to scream: "SOURCE!" So, I tried to be proactive about it. That way, instead of people thinking the article was made up, the source was posted for anyone to determine if it was fake, if anything was left out, or the original article get updated with more/new information.

I guess your time is so important that you couldn't feel the need to skip over the picture, but thank goodness you have enough spare time to still bitch on here about it.

Feel free to close your browser at any time.

[radzack]

this story is quite humorous :)

[phatlip12]

Damn, Democrats pretty much find anyway possible to live their lives in misery. Never seen so many complaints about a link to a story before.

Usually lefties are the first to scream: "SOURCE!" So, I tried to be proactive about it. That way, instead of people thinking the article was made up, the source was posted for anyone to determine if it was fake, if anything was left out, or the original article get updated with more/new information.

I guess your time is so important that you couldn't feel the need to skip over the picture, but thank goodness you have enough spare time to still bitch on here about it.

Feel free to close your browser at any time.

Did you honestly just turn a story about farting into a political debate?

[gonzooo]

<5 year old being a little bitch about something>
Kwai, kwai.

By the way, the reason I bitched about the picture was I didn't feel he should have to have his picture in a newsitem for what he did.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Kwai, kwai.

By the way, the reason I bitched about the picture was I didn't feel he should have to have his picture in a newsitem for what he did.(At least with my county and state) all arrest mugshots are public domain.

Hence thesmokinggun.com posting them every five seconds.

[gonzooo]

(At least with my county and state) all arrest mugshots are public domain.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean newspapers and the like should act like cunts with them.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean newspapers and the like should act like cunts with them.Um, I'm failing to see how posting his picture is wrong.

[gonzooo]

Um, I'm failing to see how posting his picture is wrong.
I guess a fundamental difference between us is how we believe people should be treated.

[phatlip12]

I guess a fundamental difference between us is how we believe people should be treated.

I think you're taking this a little too personal. Crumbles didn't write the article, he's just sharing the story.

[gonzooo]

I think you're taking this a little too personal. Crumbles didn't write the article, he's just sharing the story.
Obviously, most of the criticism is directed towards the person who wrote the story, but it's not like it gets any better when people include the photo when they spread the article.

It might've seemed like I was calling Crumbles a cunt, by the way, but that word is reserved entirely for the news service in this case.

[bigshotprof]

It's a completely inappropriate term for use in a public forum no matter to whom it applies.

[gonzooo]

It's a completely inappropriate term for use in a public forum no matter to whom it applies.
I don't see the problem with it, to be honest. Oh, wait, I do... The problem is that people from the US (or perhaps North America in general) have some disproportionally large aversion to that particular word. I'd like to propose to you that you stop being so overly sensitive about that particular word.

I'll probably add to my risk of being banned by shedding light on this, but did you have a problem with me calling someone a bitch in this thread? If I'd called someone a "pussy", would you take as much offense? Obviously, I can only speculate, but I'd put my money on that most people wouldn't; and those words refer to exactly the same thing.

Sure, language isn't based on logic and social constructs like how to respond to a word obviously aren't, but I'd like to think we could benefit from doing so.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

I guess a fundamental difference between us is how we believe people should be treated.Uh, what? Are you serious? How about if he didn't treat the people the way he did, or decide to do the things he did, he wouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

I don't want to go to jail. I enjoy my freedom. You know what I do to avoid jail? NOT BREAK THE LAW.

Fuck I'm tired of people feeling sorry for the criminals.

[bigshotprof]

Sure, language isn't based on logic and social constructs like how to respond to a word obviously aren't, but I'd like to think we could benefit from doing so.

According to most of the theories of language and meaning of which I am aware, language is in fact based on social constructs (logic not so much). I think there is a great deal of utility in demarcating social "spaces" in which such constructs apply value judgments to determine what is and is not acceptable. Those patterns change--you are right, as things sit right now the social capital of the other two words you mention is less definitive than that of "the C word." I will have to concede that I have insufficient knowledge of practice outside NA to evaluate your judgment. However, I still feel strongly that some things need not be said in public fora and that that is one of them. Thank you for your input; we will have to agree to disagree.

[gonzooo]

According to most of the theories of language and meaning of which I am aware, language is in fact based on social constructs (logic not so much).
I'm sorry if I was unclear in my post. I actually meant neither language nor social constructs are based on logic.

I think there is a great deal of utility in demarcating social "spaces" in which such constructs apply value judgments to determine what is and is not acceptable.
I agree, but I also think that if we use logic to produce these boundaries (in that words referring to the same thing are considered equally offensive) for how we use certain words we'll make it easier for everyone to intuitively recognize and accept these boundaries.

Those patterns change--you are right, as things sit right now the social capital of the other two words you mention is less definitive than that of "the C word." I will have to concede that I have insufficient knowledge of practice outside NA to evaluate your judgment.
After checking a few sources for information of the word, I found that it's pretty much universally unacceptable, except for certain situations and social classes in the UK. I was under the impression that it was considerably more acceptable in the UK, but it seems it is not.

However, I still feel strongly that some things need not be said in public fora and that that is one of them. Thank you for your input; we will have to agree to disagree.
I agree it was a disproportionally strong word to use, with the current social norm in mind, if any offensive word were to be used at all, and I apologize to you and everyone in this thread for using it.

I still would like to see a normalization, based on logic, of how offensive these words are. I realize it's futile, though.

Uh, what? Are you serious? How about if he didn't treat the people the way he did, or decide to do the things he did, he wouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

I don't want to go to jail. I enjoy my freedom. You know what I do to avoid jail? NOT BREAK THE LAW.

Fuck I'm tired of people feeling sorry for the criminals.
I'm not sure of what you mean by "... treat the people the way he did...", but assuming you mean he farted in someone's direction don't get what's so incredibly offensive about that in the context provided in the story. If anything, it's humorous.

I agree that he shouldn't have driven while under the influence, but I don't think people deserve their pictures to be shown with the kind of exposure a news service usually has. There are criminals that deserve their photo shown like that; mostly because it's in the public interest to know about them (kidnappings, etc.), and I don't think a drunk driver who makes the papers by farting while standing near a police officer is one of them.

[esophagus]

I'm with Crumbles on all of his arguments here (though I don't see why being a 'lefty' should have been involved in his response).

Its just a joke, everyone. Calm down. Are we seriously going to make this into a discussion of linking and linguistics?

[phatlip12]

I don't see the problem with it, to be honest. Oh, wait, I do... The problem is that people from the US (or perhaps North America in general) have some disproportionally large aversion to that particular word. I'd like to propose to you that you stop being so overly sensitive about that particular word.

I'll probably add to my risk of being banned by shedding light on this, but did you have a problem with me calling someone a bitch in this thread? If I'd called someone a "pussy", would you take as much offense? Obviously, I can only speculate, but I'd put my money on that most people wouldn't; and those words refer to exactly the same thing.

Sure, language isn't based on logic and social constructs like how to respond to a word obviously aren't, but I'd like to think we could benefit from doing so.

Personally, I don't think it was necessary to call anyone any sort of names in this thread. I think you're seriously over reacting.

[ryudo]

:eek:
The act was caught on tape!
Lost monster born!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCfVVkT2KI

[secret-steve-crumbles]

I agree that he shouldn't have driven while under the influence, but I don't think people deserve their pictures to be shown with the kind of exposure a news service usually has.Awww.... boo-hoo. Then don't fucking drink and drive risking my families life on the road. Fuck that guy. What about: "If you have a problem with people knowing you drink and drive, don't do it" are you so confused about.

Get over yourself.

[tokenuser]

Awww.... boo-hoo. Then don't fucking drink and drive risking my families life on the road. Fuck that guy. What about: "If you have a problem with people knowing you drink and drive, don't do it" are you so confused about.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZvU_pMy1XEbIoM:http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/misc/mugshot_krusty.gif

Clowns like that deserve as much publicity as any celebrity caught in the same situation. Whether it is Britney Speares, Jose Cruz, or Krusty the Clown - I want to know that you are someone that will drive drunk.

[tokenuser]

BTW -

UPDATE: Thursday @ 11:04am
Kanawha County Magistrate Court reports that the "battery on an officer" charge against Jose Cruz has been dropped.

Magistrate Jack Pauley says an assistant prosecutor came to the office and requested that charge be dropped.

The DUI charge and and obstruction charges against Cruz still stand.

Must be a slow news day in Charleston.

[gonzooo]

Awww.... boo-hoo. Then don't fucking drink and drive risking my families life on the road. Fuck that guy. What about: "If you have a problem with people knowing you drink and drive, don't do it" are you so confused about.

Get over yourself.
Again; fundamental difference. You seem to believe newspapers should be a part of punishing people for crimes they commit. I don't.

[tokenuser]

Again; fundamental difference. You seem to believe newspapers should be a part of punishing people for crimes they commit. I don't.there was a time when public humiliation was considered to be part of the punishment.

3 demerit points off your drivers license? No worries ...
$250 fine? No worries ...

1 week cleaning toilets at the local womens correctional facility - NO FUCKING WAY.
3 months community service ... picking up trash in Central Park? CRUAL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.
Photo in the newspaper, on TV? Any publicity is good publicity right?

This is just a later day equivalent of putting someon in stocks out in the market square. We are the churls throwing tomatoes at the guy. This was a victimless crime (ie no one was injured ... except the pride of the arresting officer), so having your name and photo plastered across the media is a fitting side punishement.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

BTW -

*update*

Must be a slow news day in Charleston.Wait, wait, you mean there was an update to the article that you found out about since I posted a link to that article that you originally called me retarded for posting? Crazy how that ends up.

Again; fundamental difference. You seem to believe newspapers should be a part of punishing people for crimes they commit. I don't.Hahahahahah, you're hilarious. Your taking somethign that you believe and saying everyone believes it. In order for that to be true, everyone on this planet would have to believe that the newspaper was punishing him. Last I checked, it was the law. Look, if it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you can start a "down with pictures!" campaign and get people to destroy their cameras. Hell, just say it's in the name of global warming or something. That should get some people to blindly follow you.

[gonzooo]

Your taking somethign that you believe and saying everyone believes it. In order for that to be true, everyone on this planet would have to believe that the newspaper was punishing him. Last I checked, it was the law.
There are many things that are situated well within the borders of the law that could still be considered punishment and unethical. I've never said anything about everyone believing what the papers did in this particular instance to be punishment (and unethical); that's something you constructed in your troll mind.

Look, if it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you can start a "down with pictures!" campaign and get people to destroy their cameras. Hell, just say it's in the name of global warming or something. That should get some people to blindly follow you.
I've had my doubts about you, but now I'm convinced you're a troll hiding behind legitimate political views and the usual "Fuck 'em, they did something wrong and should die!" attitude within that particular political clique.

G'bye.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

You seem to believe newspapers should be a part of punishing people for crimes they commit. I don't.
I've never said anything about everyone believing what the papers did in this particular instance to be punishment (and unethical)
Wow, you're not even smart enough to correlate your own words. That's awesome.

I never once said that the newspaper was punishing him. Ever. YOUR argument is they are punishing him by showing his picture. In order for your argument above to be true, you have to believe that the newspapers punish people by showing their pictures.

So, let's stick with your argument that you never said everyone believes the papers publishing pictures is punishment. That can only mean that I specifically said it. So, please, show me where I said that. Since I never did, your sentence can only make sense if you apply it to all. Unless of course you're saying your arguments make no sense. Which I'm all for agreeing with you if you'd like to just go that route.

G'bye.Hahahha!

"Crap, what do I do? Oh, I know, I'll be the "last word" guy. That will make my argument more sound!"

I also love how you threw in there that I said he should die. That was a nice touch. That's part two of how to make your argument stronger. Make up shit.

Here's what I ACTUALLY said.

He committed the crime. He needs to deal with the punishment. I know it's a crazy concept for the people who feel sorry for the criminal. Eventually you might understand this insane concept.

[computoman]

I agree about not disdaining a fellow forum user. There are better ways to get the point across without being derogatory. Besides, if you do call someone a name it shows how stupid and that you cannot defend your views.

[ariastar]

When I heard that on the radio, I laughed my ass off. What did he do, cock his leg against the officer? Press his ass into the cop? That's not assault, but it's certainly funny.

[masherscf]

When I heard that on the radio, I laughed my ass off. What did he do, cock his leg against the officer? Press his ass into the cop? That's not assault, but it's certainly funny.

I don't know, it's certainly an assault on the senses. I think if there on contempt of law enforcement laws, there should be. If the man had farted on a judge, he's be in jail for weeks on the spot...no trial. Of course, there is the IBS defense...