We want a thrid option.

[computoman]

Both Mccain and Obama are part of the present establishment. I would prefer to have neither one as president. We need a write in vote.

[comhcinc]

what are you talking about? there are at least two other people still running. you might want to do a little research.

[quix]

If you're a liberal who wants a third option, I'd suggest researching Ralph Nader. (http://www.votenader.org/)

If you're a conservative who wants a third option, I'd suggest researching Bob Barr. (http://www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/?s0820)

[computoman]

I am not republican or democrat. I am a real american. I do not want those guy's either.The person I really wanted was knowcked out early of the race. He has more common sense than all of them combined.

[comhcinc]

so if you belong to one of the two big parties you are not a real american?

btw, who is we?

[esophagus]

Then write him in?

I don't understand what you are complaining about. You don't like either? Thats nice. They aren't the only ones running. They're just the two that will likely win.

[ariastar]

You can write in whomever you want. But one of these two have a far better chance of winning than whomever you want to write in.

[tokenuser]

I am not republican or democrat. I am a real american. I do not want those guy's either.The person I really wanted was knowcked out early of the race. He has more common sense than all of them combined.No you're not. You're a Texan. That means Republic of Texas first, then the United States, then every man for himself.

[logant]

I am not republican or democrat. I am a real american. I do not want those guy's either.The person I really wanted was knowcked out early of the race. He has more common sense than all of them combined.

I'm going to venture to guess he is talking about Ron Paul.

[quix]

I am not republican or democrat. I am a real american. I do not want those guy's either.The person I really wanted was knowcked out early of the race. He has more common sense than all of them combined.

So the majority of Americans aren't 'real Americans?'

Edit: Oh, and if you're supporting Dr. Paul, he endorsed the Constitution Party's candidate(whose name escapes me), so he's probably your best choice.

[computoman]

Not Ron Paul.

[quix]

Who was it?

[comhcinc]

Not Ron Paul.
no one really cares. you have proven you are nuts and the fact that you choice not to tell us your super awesome pick just goes to prove that you are embaressed of it.

[owlboy]

Is it Batman?

[speed]

Not Ron Paul.

Dear god, please don't say Thompson.

[esophagus]

Dear god, please don't say Thompson.
He plays a smart man on TV.

[tokenuser]

He plays a smart man on TV.Senator Fred is a smart man in real life too ...

[gimpbully]

As in Hunter?
"Richard Nixon has never been one of my favorite people anyway. For years I've regarded his existence as a monument to all the rancid genes and broken chromosones that corrupt the possibilities of the American Dream; he was a foul caricature of himself, a man with no soul, no inner convictions, with the integrity of a hyena and the style of a poison toad. The Nixon I remembered was absolutely humorless; I couldn't imagine him laughing at anything except maybe a paraplegic who wanted to vote Democratic but couldn't quite reach the lever on the voting machine."

Apt I say, APT!
Dear god, please don't say Thompson.

[computoman]

Having met Mr. Nixon before he became president, I would have to disagree. Fred Thompson has an interesting wife. I beleive in a secret ballot, so I do not have to say who I am for.

[gimpbully]

Thompson was friends with Nixon for a short time at the beginning of his presidential bid, followed him throughout both his campaigns and wrote no less than 2 books on his experience with Nixon as well as providing dozens upon dozens of articles concerning his presidency and eventual fall from grace. I put a bit more stock in his word, especially in light of Thompson being a political and journalistic luminary for several decades.

Having met Mr. Nixon before he became president, I would have to disagree.

[computoman]

Being president is a solemn job. I would not be surpised if there was a change in attitude. If Nixon's aides had not taken him seriously about some of the things he joked about, Watergate wouild have never happened.

[gimpbully]

EDIT: no no, I'm not gettin sucked back in, I was making a side comment, that's it.
Being president is a solemn job. I would not be surpised if there was a change in attitude. If Nixon's aides had not taken him seriously about some of the things he joked about, Watergate wouild have never happened.

[esophagus]

EDIT: no no, I'm not gettin sucked back in, I was making a side comment, that's it.
Smart. You're better at this than I.

[computoman]

I could say a few things about Clinton also. I friend of mine I went to high school with knew Clinton personally (at least he said he did) and thought Clinton was Superman per se. When I asked him about whitewater, he changed the subject. According to history, Roosevelt was a philanderer also. But was not so brass about it as Clinton and Kennedy. When Clinton as president came to the college where I once worked to speak, I avoided the event. I had no time for bs.


Though my views may seem to be radical, I bet I made a few people at least think about it. Thinking outside the box gives relevance sometimes.

[esophagus]

"I met Nixon once" and "A friend of mine claimed to know the Clintons" aren't points that will hold any weight in an argument. You'll need to provide a bit of reasoning for these things if you intend to do any convincing or not look like you're grasping at straws.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.

[speed]

When you try to make a point out of who you liked, then you refuse to mention who it was, even with the idea of a secret ballot, it kind of ruins your cred. (not that you really had any)

[ariastar]

I am not republican or democrat. I am a real american. I do not want those guy's either.The person I really wanted was knowcked out early of the race. He has more common sense than all of them combined.

Not Ron Paul.


Ah, Fuckabee.

[ariastar]

Though my views may seem to be radical, I bet I made a few people at least think about it. Thinking outside the box gives relevance sometimes.

They're not stopping to think and consider what you say because you're oh-so-right, but stopping to try to figure out how you are as far right as Palin, and how anyone so far on either direction can be sane.

[sir_scutter]

Both Mccain and Obama are part of the present establishment. I would prefer to have neither one as president. We need a write in vote.

Why bother? The American political system is not setup to care about any other opinions.

And who is we?

The way I see it, there's no getting out of the fact that government is a failed system. There's no way to shrink it as it is, so might as well help destroy it (peacefully (for now)) (http://www.freestateproject.org).

-Jaded Cynic

[bigshotprof]

Why bother? The American political system is not setup to care about any other opinions.

And who is we?

The way I see it, there's no getting out of the fact that government is a failed system. There's no way to shrink it as it is, so might as well help destroy it (peacefully (for now)) (http://www.freestateproject.org).

-Jaded Cynic

Failed system? Okay it's far from perfect but failed? Even though we have deep ideological divisions and an historic gulf between rich and poor, we have had only one serious revolutionary action since our inception. Many of our people live deplorable lives and need to be helped, but the vast majority live at a fairly impressive standard of living. We have a much better education system than current political naysaying admits, and it is open to anyone who chooses to attend (thru 12). We have an extraordinarily high rate of attendance in college. We can move relatively freely from state to state. We can get away with actions and speech that would get us arrested in many places. We have a wide latitude of freedoms and lifestyle choices.

I think anyone who wishes to "destroy it" had better be careful what he wishes for.

[ageexchick]

Being president is a solemn job. I would not be surpised if there was a change in attitude. If Nixon's aides had not taken him seriously about some of the things he joked about, Watergate wouild have never happened.

What??? Seriously???
So, the ostrich really does disappear when he hides his head in the ground?

[computoman]

If you are referring to Nixon. actually his whole body is in the ground now. Whether I have credibility with the world is not an issue to me because I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. If I wanted to go into a debate mode, there really would be an uprising. Someone once said be true to thine own self. If you do not agree with me then so be it. We are all entitled to our own opinion. I do not believe I have belittled anyone too harshly so far. Seems they thought Columbus was a bit off once. Time to go prepare dinner for the geekettes, Ciao...

[ageexchick]

If you are referring to Nixon. actually his whole body is in the ground now. Whether I have credibility with the world is not an issue to me because I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. If I wanted to go into a debate mode, there really would be an uprising. Someone once said be true to thine own self. If you do not agree with me then so be it. We are all entitled to our own opinion. I do not believe I have belittled anyone too harshly so far. Seems they thought Columbus was a bit off once. Time to go prepare dinner for the geekettes, Ciao...

Rather, perhaps I should ask you for an explanation then? I think that regardless of who saw it, Watergate was happening. Are you suggesting that if I tree falls and no one hears it, it makes no noise?
In all seriousness, I would really love to know how you meant the comment.

[burkhartmj]

If you are referring to Nixon. actually his whole body is in the ground now. Whether I have credibility with the world is not an issue to me because I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. If I wanted to go into a debate mode, there really would be an uprising. Someone once said be true to thine own self. If you do not agree with me then so be it. We are all entitled to our own opinion. I do not believe I have belittled anyone too harshly so far. Seems they thought Columbus was a bit off once. Time to go prepare dinner for the geekettes, Ciao...

Columbus WAS a bit off. Actually, he was WAY off. He thought he was in India. God, first you compare yourself to Edison and Einstein, now Columbus? Really?

And considering you haven't actually stated anything since your first post, it'd be pretty hard for you to convince anyone of a point you haven't made. I'd love to experience this 'uprising' you think will happen if you lay out your points. At least then we will have an actual idea to disagree with.

[esophagus]

I don't "get" Christopher Columbus. Its now well known that other people got to The Americas well before him. He got there by accident. He was a tyrannical governor, and was eventually arrested for his crimes. The one good thing he had going for him is that he is the start of the reason Europeans started having regular contact with The Americas (which is good now, not so much back then).

[computoman]

The last one to throw a punch always gets the credit. I think it was actuall amerigo vespucci is the one who made it all work. Cristoforo got his coming by catching venereal disease and maybe even aids anyway, I was not there so I can not judge. I will admit that people from asia were here first and the northern europeans came second. to this land. if you really want to go far out, you could say that exiled space aliens were here first. I know that England sent all the criminals to be exiled in now what is now called Georgia. so they did not have to take care of them in prisons. My step father use to kid us about that his great grandfather was a horse thief originally from Georgia.

Ciao mi amici....

[comhcinc]

you just make less and less sense.

[computoman]

Rather, perhaps I should ask you for an explanation then? I think that regardless of who saw it, Watergate was happening. Are you suggesting that if I tree falls and no one hears it, it makes no noise?
In all seriousness, I would really love to know how you meant the comment.

The people punished got what they deserved. But Clinton should have been impeached. 'nuf said.


Arrivaderla!

[tokenuser]

I know that England sent all the criminals to be exiled in now what is now called Georgia. so they did not have to take care of them in prisons.All of them??

There goes my family tree - in Australia.

[xibalba]

If you really want a 3rd choice write me in.

I will unite the world and become the President of Earth*.




*emperor and it will be for life

[gimpbully]

Nixon was pardoned from any and all crimes committed during his presidency. It was either that or pardon himself and then resign.
The people punished got what they deserved. But Clinton should have been impeached. 'nuf said.


Arrivaderla!

[bigshotprof]

If you really want a 3rd choice write me in.

I will unite the world and become the President of Earth*.




*emperor and it will be for life

Xibi, L. Ron Hubbard on line two.

[sir_scutter]

Failed system? Okay it's far from perfect but failed? Even though we have deep ideological divisions and an historic gulf between rich [...]te. We can get away with actions and speech that would get us arrested in many places. We have a wide latitude of freedoms and lifestyle choices.

I think anyone who wishes to "destroy it" had better be careful what he wishes for.

All of that stuff is from the freedom, not from the government. I never said this was a failed country, and I was mainly speaking of politics in America. but I would still say that most of Government is either a failure or inefficiently ran.

Again, all of those wonderful, and agreeably awesome things are from people who work hard and do good things and live (for the most part) free.

[tokenuser]

Again, all of those wonderful, and agreeably awesome things are from people who work hard and do good things and live (for the most part) free.You are forgetting that it is the government that allows those freedoms ... not just through the constitution, but through the provision of education, infrastructure, law & order, yada yada yada.

Take the government run institutions away, and similar structures will arise to fill its place. A capitalist economy is driven by mergers and aquisitions. What is a board of directors but a governing body? Now, isn't it better that issues of public interest have people elected by the public to represent their views on that board?

You can't have it both ways. Anarchy does not work, and society has advanced too far for an aggrarian society to be feasible.

[bigshotprof]

Again, all of those wonderful, and agreeably awesome things are from people who work hard and do good things and live (for the most part) free.

And the hundreds of thousands of people who make up "the government" at all of its levels are those same people. we tend to forget that.

[sir_scutter]

forgetting that it is the government that allows those freedoms ... not just through the constitution[...]

I think some forgot that the constitution is a document meant to restrict government, not to permit people freedoms.

The purpose of gov't in the first place is to protect the people so they may live free, correct? Seems some are getting away from this intention? Maybe.

[sir_scutter]

Take the government run institutions away, and similar structures will arise to fill its place.[...] What is a board of directors but a governing body?

The difference: it's consensual. Don't approve of that board of directors?: stop using their products and services. Just remember, I'm speaking of a free society where competition is an option. If there's a monopoly where someone else is highly prevented from creating their own business, then it's not a free market in my eyes (more on this later)

[sir_scutter]

Now, isn't it better that issues of public interest have people elected by the public to represent their views on that board?

You can't have it both ways. Anarchy does not work, and society has advanced too far for an aggrarian society to be feasible.

People elected by public can't represent all. It's impossible. One person can't run another's life w/o conflict. People will disagree, and having them run others' lives is dangerous. Coercion and violence will spring when the ruler of the whole land makes a choice that even 1% disagrees.

Trying to get away from the word "Anarchy" for I do believe in rules.. just not central rules.

I don't believe in "no government" necessarily...
I believe in self-government.

[tokenuser]

I think some forgot that the constitution is a document meant to restrict government, not to permit people freedoms.

The purpose of gov't in the first place is to protect the people so they may live free, correct? Seems some are getting away from this intention? Maybe.The constitution mandates that the government allow certain freedoms. It is the government that facilitates the practice of those freedoms guaranteed by the constitution. The restrictions you mention are inplace as a series of checks and balances that (hopefully) guarantee that our personal liberties are not being restricted by the government.

Basically, I think we are saying the same thing.

[sir_scutter]

I think we are saying the same thing.

Probably. Either way I think it's scary when I have to beg a group of men/women to do something when there's no agreement for them to run my life. I've never consented to their rules (how could I, it would take more than a lifetime to read all their statutes). If I have consented, then I'd like to retract my agreement and live free in the free country.

[comhcinc]

Probably. Either way I think it's scary when I have to beg a group of men/women to do something when there's no agreement for them to run my life. I've never consented to their rules (how could I, it would take more than a lifetime to read all their statutes). If I have consented, then I'd like to retract my agreement and live free in the free country.
you have the right to give up your american critzenship and leave.

[bigshotprof]

you have the right to give up your american critzenship and leave.

This is the truth. By virtue of enjoying the perqs of citizenship, we are duty bound to live under the limitations of the "covenient." Locke called them "inconveniences"--one of the great understatements. The ratio of personal rights to social responsibilities is what the whole conversation of "politics" is about. Note that our country is one of the few that has no restrictions on those wanting to leave the country.

[tokenuser]

Note that our country is one of the few that has no restrictions on those wanting to leave the country.Thats very true, unfortunately emmigrating is extremely difficult to do as well.

The question to ask is "who'd have me"?

The list of place that would have you, and that you would want to live, is actually extremely small.

I am fortunate. I could go home if I wanted to ... but damnit, I am a matter of months from my greencard (which is an acheievement, since it takes years) ... and I am going to inflict myself on America until lady liberty can take no more.

FWIW - I heard from one of my wife's former colleagues, the immigration process in Australia is even more painful than that of trying to live legally in the US. I can't see how that is possible.

[computoman]

The Australians know how to do it right. In Texas rules for people not of this country are getting harder. What really irks me is people who come to this country think they have the right to tell me how to think tell me what I can and can not say, tell me how I should do things, and last but not least then have the gall to expect everything given to them. They do not understand this country one iota. We did not have any problems all the young carpetbaggers came. When my maternal grandfather came to this country, he felt lucky to be here and did everything he could to earn his place here. My father's side of the family is part Oklahoma American Indian blood. The American Indians were here first and lost more than anyone coming to this country. They have been discriminated against more than anyone coming to this country. I would love to see my blood brothers in charge of immigration.

[esophagus]

Who are all of these "carpetbaggers"? I haven't heard much about any immigrants trying to take over lately.

[comhcinc]

crazy talk crazy talk crazy talk.

there fixed that for ya.