If I were president...

[computoman]

If I were president I would:

1.We have our own people who need help. So I would stop all foreign aid.
2. Not allow companies that displace american workers to do business with any government agencies and make them pay a tax on wages of employees paid out of us jurisdiction.
3. Give job placement preferential treatment to real natural born Americans with a small tax incentive.
4. Can the existing affirmative action act.
5. Tell the Middle East (Including Israel) to pay for the war or give us free oil,. If not we are leaving and they can fend for themselves.
6. Pass a law that companies should convert to using water as fuel instead of oil. It can be done.
7. Take legal action against loan officers that put our country in peril financially.
8. End the maximum limitation on the social security tax.
9. Tax tution paid by foreign students
10. End the existing income tax and use a sales tax instead. The will make forieners pay their share of responcibility for being here and it will get the government out of peoples lives. We can slash the payroll of the IRS .
11. Use the existing troops pulled from the middle east to fignt drug and people trafficing along the border.
12. Anyone who wants to become a citizen of this country should pay a large entry fee to even get a green card.
13. There would have to be a public vote on not only whether congress gets a raise but what they will get paid.
14. End posh retirement plans for short time government employees.
15 End the reduction of social security benefitsw for Educators and other public employees who get retirement benefits from ohter retirement plans. Currently Congress is exempt from this limitation.

[comhcinc]

and that is why you will never be president. some of the things you want to do is illegal some don't make any sense and most are stupid.

you show a complete lack of understand how the world works.

[computoman]

Laws can be changed. Then it would not be illegal. It is about time people start being reponcible for their actions. I am tired of my hard earned tax dollars and my jobs going overseas to people who dont give a hoot about us. Nafta and all those other agreements that screw real American workers should be voided. The us has been too much oif a pansy. Time to kick some dairy air. If you don't like it. get out of the way.

[tokenuser]

I think you are looking for the "National Socialist Party" ... didn't work out so good for Germany. I am not calling you a Nazi ... but I am suggesting that the policies that you have just stated are in line with those political beliefs.

You can call me names if you like ... I am one of those "foreign workers" taking "your jobs". I also pay "your taxes" and have paid a shitload of money to the DHS for my (in process) Green Card. I also own a house (well 4 years to go on the mortgage), have US investments, a 401k .. and my wife (also Australian) is recognised by the US government as being a scientific leader in her field (and she teaches both US and those damn "foreign" students).

Are there any particular nationalities you'd really like to point out though? I am seeing xenophibia towards the middle east, but am wondering about other groups who might be on your shit list.

[comhcinc]

The us has been too much oif a pansy. Time to kick some dairy air. If you don't like it. get out of the way.

again your ignorance is astounding. being a former kicker of "dairy air" i can assure you that when people in other countries think of the US the word "pansy" does not even enter the mind.

there are these thing called "books" they contain something called "information". try picking a couple up sometime. you might be surprised at what you find.

[esophagus]

Boy. I'm glad you will NEVER be elected.

[samureye]

again your ignorance is astounding. being a former kicker of "dairy air" i can assure you that when people in other countries think of the US the word "pansy" does not even enter the mind.

there are these thing called "books" they contain something called "information". try picking a couple up sometime. you might be surprised at what you find.
Not going to lie. lulz ensued after reading that.

[ariastar]

If I were president I would:

1.We have our own people who need help. So I would stop all foreign aid.
2. Not allow companies that displace american workers to do business with any government agencies and make them pay a tax on wages of employees paid out of us jurisdiction.
3. Give job placement preferential treatment to real natural born Americans with a small tax incentive.
4. Can the existing affirmative action act.
5. Tell the Middle East (Including Israel) to pay for the war or give us free oil,. If not we are leaving and they can fend for themselves.
6. Pass a law that companies should convert to using water as fuel instead of oil. It can be done.
7. Take legal action against loan officers that put our country in peril financially.
8. End the maximum limitation on the social security tax.
9. Tax tution paid by foreign students
10. End the existing income tax and use a sales tax instead. The will make forieners pay their share of responcibility for being here and it will get the government out of peoples lives. We can slash the payroll of the IRS .
11. Use the existing troops pulled from the middle east to fignt drug and people trafficing along the border.
12. Anyone who wants to become a citizen of this country should pay a large entry fee to even get a green card.
13. There would have to be a public vote on not only whether congress gets a raise but what they will get paid.
14. End posh retirement plans for short time government employees.
15 End the reduction of social security benefitsw for Educators and other public employees who get retirement benefits from ohter retirement plans. Currently Congress is exempt from this limitation.

I agree with a few of these, but all in all I am sitting here appalled. Votes should be required for government officials to get raises (after all, they are supposed to be working for us, making us their bosses) and no more sky-high retirement plans, but the bits about natural-born citizens having the right to jobs before foreigners? Making a green card even more difficult and expensive to get? Fuck, anyone who wants to work should be allowed to, citizen or not, Man.

[speed]

Dude... you realize there's this thing called a constitution, right? Also, despite what you and the other xenophobes in the GOP may think, these "foreigners" aren't taking your jobs, they're taking the jobs that "real" Americans don't want. You'll never see Jose from outside Home Depot sitting on the board of directors of a Fortune 500 company, the best job you'll probably see him doing is mowing the lawn for a Fortune 500 CEO.

Also, "foreigners" do contribute to your economy. Last time I was in the States, I went to Disneyland and Universal Studies... If $5 for a churro, $10 for a Quarter Pounder with Cheese meal and $8 for a weak ass beer isn't contributing, I don't know what the hell is.

[bigshotprof]

Yee Haw! Just for the sake of discussion, why educators? Almost every professional has a retirement income and social security. Is there something especially heinous about teacher that makes them (and by them I mean us) less deserving than everyone else?

[computoman]

1. I do not believe in political parties. they are in effect lobbyists which for the most part, i do not have much respect for. Everyone should be able to make their own mind up about things.
2. I was in a job situation where we hired foreigners. Because of affirmative action they were able to up themselves up the ladder only because of their race or whatever. Most of these people screwed things up which I had to clean up. They took credit for the work i did. When I challenged their abilities to the higher ups, I was terminated. The way I look at is that hard working people like me created the jobs they are in. They should be kissing my posterior they even got a job. I have had it with the affirmative action mafia. Yes maybe everyone should be able to work, but do not shaft the people who made the industry available for them to have jobs.
3. As for educators. School districts were given the choice to use the retirement plans of their employers or social security and under the prevailing thought at the time, they would not be screwed by social security if they chose a different career path later that required payment into social security. The law to limit education retirement benefits under social security is only recent. Ironically the congress is not under this limitation. As I understand it, they can still get full social security no matter what. Congress needs to wipe their own posterior. Teachers have been way underpaid and now they are getting screwed in the retirement plans also. People wonder why our education system is screwed up. The people who can make this country great again are being shafted.
4. It is time the us foreign policy quit being the ugly American.
5. I know a lot of books where not only poetic license is taken. but the facts they represent seem not to have any basis. I have seen a lot of corporate financial books that are a facade to put it nicely. The audits of american business to keep them honest is a joke. There is so much deception in the corporate world, the meda does not have the guts to expose it. That is why the economy is in the toilet. All from deception. People just do not care about quality anymore. I do read quite a bit and have been in the world. more than you know. I have also taught at prisons, which not many people have done. Though I would not do it again. My grandfather was a policeman and he had ten times the class of some of the people i see wearing the badge today. There are good men wearing the badge today, but I have not seen many of them lately. The us is too full of pre-meditated rhetoric.



Remember September 11.

[tokenuser]

4. It is time the us foreign policy quit being the ugly American.Quoted for irony.

Remember September 11.What would you like us to remember?

[bigshotprof]

2. I was in a job situation where we hired foreigners. Because of affirmative action they were able to up themselves up the ladder only because of their race or whatever.

Remember September 11.

I am beginning to think--ah heck, I'm 2/3 of the way through thinking--that you draw at best a dotted line between foreign and non-white. Affirmative action is about leveling the playing field between advantaged and disadvantaged classes. I have never seen an American AA plan that required a certain percentage of foreigners. Fill me in on that one.

Regarding September 11, since my office is about a block and a half away from what used to be the world trade center, and since an hour later I would have been IN the world trade center, and since I am certain that the debris ad body parts rained down on Americans and foreigners alike, and since I am sure that rescue workers came from all over the planet to help us out, I--like Token--am not sure what lesson I am supposed to have learned.

I would ask you to remember April 19. That was the day that a White Christian Identity terrorist blew up a building in Oklahoma City killing 168 innocent people. That terrorist network was never hunted down and exposed. Because of a few Saudis and some assorted afghans every Muslim in the world is guilty, but the white boy acted on his own. Now that's what I call affirmative action.

[esophagus]

I am beginning to think--ah heck, I'm 2/3 of the way through thinking--that you draw at best a dotted line between foreign and non-white. Affirmative action is about leveling the playing field between advantaged and disadvantaged classes. I have never seen an American AA plan that required a certain percentage of foreigners. Fill me in on that one.

Regarding September 11, since my office is about a block and a half away from what used to be the world trade center, and since an hour later I would have been IN the world trade center, and since I am certain that the debris ad body parts rained down on Americans and foreigners alike, and since I am sure that rescue workers came from all over the planet to help us out, I--like Token--am not sure what lesson I am supposed to have learned.

I would ask you to remember April 19. That was the day that a White Christian Identity terrorist blew up a building in Oklahoma City killing 168 innocent people. That terrorist network was never hunted down and exposed. Because of a few Saudis and some assorted afghans every Muslim in the world is guilty, but the white boy acted on his own. Now that's what I call affirmative action.Slow clap.

[phatlip12]

I agree, we should all remember September 11th.


Though, anyone that tries to take advantage of September 11th to push their own personal political agenda is an asshole in my book. That's one of many reasons I can't stand Bush.


Not saying you are, but that's what I think about people that do.

[quix]

Boy. I'm glad you will NEVER be elected.

Same here.

[burkhartmj]

How come any time someone says something patently ignorant or crazy, it's assumed he is republican and/or represents the general idealogy of the GOP? I'm republican and think this guy is short-sighted, and projecting his own negative experiences onto an entire country instead of looking at the big picture. While I don't necessarily support affirmative action, I remain open-minded to any arguments in its favor.

I really can't be that much of a minority can I?

[tokenuser]

computoman's comments weren't left, weren't right ... they were just insane. I think that notion has bipartisan support.

[quix]

How come any time someone says something patently ignorant or crazy, it's assumed he is republican and/or represents the general idealogy of the GOP? I'm republican and think this guy is short-sighted, and projecting his own negative experiences onto an entire country instead of looking at the big picture. While I don't necessarily support affirmative action, I remain open-minded to any arguments in its favor.

I really can't be that much of a minority can I?

I think it's largely because the Falwellian-vein of the right has been the loudest part of the Republican Party in recent years and so people inaccurately assume that it's a reflection of the entirety of the Republican Party.

Edit: Oh, and his "remember September 11th" statement also probably lead to that conclusion due to the fact that the GOP has politicized it more than the Democratic Party has.

[computoman]

As for September 11, I just meant we should just keep our guard up and stick up for what we believe in.

Remember April 19.....
Remember Waco..........
Remember Pearl Harbor.........
Remember the Alamo!

[computoman]

I am beginning to think--ah heck, I'm 2/3 of the way through thinking--that you draw at best a dotted line between foreign and non-white. Affirmative action is about leveling the playing field between advantaged and disadvantaged classes. I have never seen an American AA plan that required a certain percentage of foreigners. Fill me in on that one.

Where I worked people from the middle east and orientals were considered part of the minority. My middle eastern boss would never hired someone who was black much less white. But then he did not hire me, management at that time did. The ironic part to that is at the time I left I was the only white person in the crew. Technically I was the minority for that group. Do not get me wrong, the mother of my oldest daughter whom I met in college is Chinese. She is beautiful and smart. My grandmothers name was on the Dawes list in Oklahoma. I do not feel as if I am some kind of bigot.

[gimpbully]

orientals are rugs, asians are people.
edit: so as not to come off as censoring or having an agenda, "please learn that, if you would"

I am beginning to think--ah heck, I'm 2/3 of the way through thinking--that you draw at best a dotted line between foreign and non-white. Affirmative action is about leveling the playing field between advantaged and disadvantaged classes. I have never seen an American AA plan that required a certain percentage of foreigners. Fill me in on that one.

Where I worked people from the middle east and orientals were considered part of the minority. My middle eastern boss would never hired someone who was black much less white. But then he did not hire me, management at that time did. The ironic part to that is at the time I left I was the only white person in the crew. Technically I was the minority for that group. Do not get me wrong, the mother of my oldest daughter whom I met in college is Chinese. She is beautiful and smart. My grandmothers name was on the Dawes list in Oklahoma. I do not feel as if I am some kind of bigot.

[ariastar]

2. I was in a job situation where we hired foreigners. Because of affirmative action they were able to up themselves up the ladder only because of their race or whatever. Most of these people screwed things up which I had to clean up. They took credit for the work i did. When I challenged their abilities to the higher ups, I was terminated. The way I look at is that hard working people like me created the jobs they are in. They should be kissing my posterior they even got a job. I have had it with the affirmative action mafia. Yes maybe everyone should be able to work, but do not shaft the people who made the industry available for them to have jobs.

You do realize that not all foreigners are not white and not all natural-born Americans are white, right? Affirmative action is about race (skin) and gender, not about this person is from Mexico and this one is from America.


Remember September 11.

Shut up about 9-11. I'm so sick of hearing about it. I don't care anymore. A lot has happened since then. I think I should start saying, "Remember 12-7," every time someone says to remember 9-11, or maybe, "Remember the Ivory Coast" (no, wait, they don't matter, not Americans, right?). People have died since 9-11-01, people will die today and in the future. Some by terrorist attacks, some by murder, some in accidents, and some naturally. I really seriously believe it's time to move on and stop living in the past every single god-damned day.

[ariastar]

I am beginning to think--ah heck, I'm 2/3 of the way through thinking--that you draw at best a dotted line between foreign and non-white. Affirmative action is about leveling the playing field between advantaged and disadvantaged classes. I have never seen an American AA plan that required a certain percentage of foreigners. Fill me in on that one.

Regarding September 11, since my office is about a block and a half away from what used to be the world trade center, and since an hour later I would have been IN the world trade center, and since I am certain that the debris ad body parts rained down on Americans and foreigners alike, and since I am sure that rescue workers came from all over the planet to help us out, I--like Token--am not sure what lesson I am supposed to have learned.

I would ask you to remember April 19. That was the day that a White Christian Identity terrorist blew up a building in Oklahoma City killing 168 innocent people. That terrorist network was never hunted down and exposed. Because of a few Saudis and some assorted afghans every Muslim in the world is guilty, but the white boy acted on his own. Now that's what I call affirmative action.

*tips cloche to you*

[ariastar]

How come any time someone says something patently ignorant or crazy, it's assumed he is republican and/or represents the general idealogy of the GOP? I'm republican and think this guy is short-sighted, and projecting his own negative experiences onto an entire country instead of looking at the big picture. While I don't necessarily support affirmative action, I remain open-minded to any arguments in its favor.

I really can't be that much of a minority can I?

Because most insane people are Republicans? This doesn't mean that most Repubs are insane though. One of my best friends is Repub, and she acknowledges that most of the people out there saying the stupid shit are Repubs, and it drives her up the wall because it reflects on her too.

[skyz]

there are these thing called "books" they contain something called "information". try picking a couple up sometime. you might be surprised at what you find.

they are even free for the borrowing you can find them at places called libraries

[ariastar]

As for September 11, I just meant we should just keep our guard up and stick up for what we believe in.

Remember April 19.....
Remember Waco..........
Remember Pearl Harbor.........
Remember the Alamo!

We are supposed to believe in the Alamo? You know, in another hundred years or so movies will be made about 9-11 that are supposed to be entertaining. Remember the movie Tombstone? Rather than sitting there teary-eyed, we all say that movie as a great piece of entertainment. Same thing with Braveheart.

I believe in knowing a bit of history, but not in building my life around shrines or bowing my head in a show of sorrow I don't feel. It's sad this stuff happened, but it happened, and it's not going to be undone. A better use of time is to go out and be nice to people rather than sitting there thinking about 9-11 and how awful and terrible and whatever other words you'd use to describe it that it was.

How often does the country stop on the anniversary of the OK City bombing? I don't recall any mention of it for the last few April 19ths, just the first couple. I think that it's more important to remember that our enemies can be other people who were born in the same land and who look just like us, but as soon as the terrorists have brown skin, we're all supposed to be up in arms about how un-American those non-Americans were. I'm more alarmed at a fellow American blowing things up, someone who you'd think should have more of a sense of pride and not blow up America.

But this is all in the past and doesn't have a direct impact on our lives anymore. We aren't fighting wars for OK City, we aren't even fighting over seas about 9-11. "Remember 9-11" as an excuse is pathetic and insulting. We aren't over there to find Bin Laden. What did Iraq have to do with Bin Laden, and why was Saddam Hussein executed if this was is about terrorist and AL Queda? Nothing. Because this isn't about Bin Laden or 9-11. It's a scare tactic, and it's really, really insulting.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Shut up about 9-11. I'm so sick of hearing about it. I don't care anymore.OMG, just when I think no one else will make my signature. I just wish more people would say that to you about your "personal" posts on this board.

[quix]

What exactly is that childish sigline supposed to achieve anyway?

[esophagus]

Most of those lines probably deserve being on there. Except what Token said. When put in context it makes sense. Obama very well could be a more conservative candidate in the Australian political realm.

[guytheninja]

What exactly is that childish sigline supposed to achieve anyway?

Its like a clothes washer --- its supposed to agitate. :D

[quix]

Most of those lines probably deserve being on there. Except what Token said. When put in context it makes sense. Obama very well could be a more conservative candidate in the Australian political realm.

Oh, that's certainly arguable, however I don't see what it's supposed to do to the people he's quoting given that they're apparently secure enough in those views to post them on a public forum.

Its like a clothes washer --- its supposed to agitate. :D

That is probably the intent, but I fail to see how reposting someone's opinion is supposed to irritate them. I suppose, it could serve to ostracize them from the community, though given certain demographic shifts.

[gta_bmx]

All of these problems that we argue about and speak of occur mainly because of 2 things -- stupidity and lack of ethics. If people acted right in the first place and treated others with respect and fairness, then most laws wouldn't even be necessary.

"I sit here all day trying to persuade people to do the things they ought to have the sense to do without my persuading them. That's all the powers of the President amount to."
-- Harry Truman

[straylightrise]

If I were president I would:

1.We have our own people who need help. So I would stop all foreign aid.
2. Not allow companies that displace american workers to do business with any government agencies and make them pay a tax on wages of employees paid out of us jurisdiction.
3. Give job placement preferential treatment to real natural born Americans with a small tax incentive.
4. Can the existing affirmative action act.
5. Tell the Middle East (Including Israel) to pay for the war or give us free oil,. If not we are leaving and they can fend for themselves.
6. Pass a law that companies should convert to using water as fuel instead of oil. It can be done.
7. Take legal action against loan officers that put our country in peril financially.
8. End the maximum limitation on the social security tax.
9. Tax tution paid by foreign students
10. End the existing income tax and use a sales tax instead. The will make forieners pay their share of responcibility for being here and it will get the government out of peoples lives. We can slash the payroll of the IRS .
11. Use the existing troops pulled from the middle east to fignt drug and people trafficing along the border.
12. Anyone who wants to become a citizen of this country should pay a large entry fee to even get a green card.
13. There would have to be a public vote on not only whether congress gets a raise but what they will get paid.
14. End posh retirement plans for short time government employees.
15 End the reduction of social security benefitsw for Educators and other public employees who get retirement benefits from ohter retirement plans. Currently Congress is exempt from this limitation.


GOOD GOD YOU ARE NAIVE!

Yes very Nazi-ish - thank god you won't become President.

[computoman]

A lot of people have that opinion of tough love.

[tokenuser]

A lot of people have that opinion of tough love.Tough love? That is BSDM.

[straylightrise]

A lot of people have that opinion of tough love.

hey I found you an avatar:
http://truereligiondebate.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/screen-clip-hitler-w-paraclete2.jpg

There's an example of some tough love huh?

[ryudo]

A lot of people have that opinion of tough love.

Bush must love us very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very much.

[mikec]

If I were president I would:

1.We have our own people who need help. So I would stop all foreign aid.

Yes, we do need to help our own, but there are problems caused if we just hide from the rest of the world.

2. Not allow companies that displace american workers to do business with any government agencies and make them pay a tax on wages of employees paid out of us jurisdiction.

What about companies that are not US based but deal with the government. RIM, the Blackberry folks are out of Canada. Dell has offices in many countries, same with Microsoft or Intel. We aren't the only country to use technology.


3. Give job placement preferential treatment to real natural born Americans with a small tax incentive.

If the person is here legally, I don't care about their status.


4. Can the existing affirmative action act.

I see this happening when whites are no longer classified as a majority.


5. Tell the Middle East (Including Israel) to pay for the war or give us free oil,. If not we are leaving and they can fend for themselves.

We started the latest war, why should they pay for it?

6. Pass a law that companies should convert to using water as fuel instead of oil. It can be done.

If you say.

7. Take legal action against loan officers that put our country in peril financially.

Loan officers, no, but the folks running some of these companies, OK.

8. End the maximum limitation on the social security tax.

You want to be able to pay more into Social Security?

9. Tax tution paid by foreign students

Why? If they are here legally I have no problem with some outside blood. It sometimes makes people think.

10. End the existing income tax and use a sales tax instead. The will make forieners pay their share of responcibility for being here and it will get the government out of peoples lives. We can slash the payroll of the IRS .

Making government smaller is a great idea, but this will not work. Also, as Token has said, he pays taxes here. So, do you want a national 20% sales tax?

11. Use the existing troops pulled from the middle east to fignt drug and people trafficing along the border.

Not a terrible idea. There are times when the Border Patrol is getting roughed up by the Mexicans.

12. Anyone who wants to become a citizen of this country should pay a large entry fee to even get a green card.

Please see Token's response.

13. There would have to be a public vote on not only whether congress gets a raise but what they will get paid.

Not a bad idea, but rather impractical.

14. End posh retirement plans for short time government employees.

Not terrible, but I doubt it would happen.

15 End the reduction of social security benefitsw for Educators and other public employees who get retirement benefits from ohter retirement plans. Currently Congress is exempt from this limitation.

Federal pensions are a mess and I do not want a headache trying to decipher this. I did have an aunt who was a public school teacher, her pension would have made almost any of us drool.


First dude, please learn to spell. Firefox is showing plenty of spelling errors. I

Not seeing the Nazi connection...

[piranio]

Tough love? That is BSDM.

Hitler in my opinion was a narcissistic sociopath type idiot. I agree that one should give to help others, but we have done so much that it has hurt us. Time to tighten the belt. If that still upsets you, you do not have a clue to fiscal responsibility. I would like to do a lot of things for my own family, but right now it is not in the cards to splurge on anything except what is important. I do not believe in buying love.

[piranio]

So many uninformed people.

[computoman]

If I were president I would:

1.We have our own people who need help. So I would stop all foreign aid.

--Yes, we do need to help our own, but there are problems caused if we just hide from the rest of the world.

I am not saying that we must hide, just that they need to wipe their own ass.

2. Not allow companies that displace american workers to do business with any government agencies and make them pay a tax on wages of employees paid out of us jurisdiction.

----What about companies that are not US based but deal with the government. RIM, the Blackberry folks are out of Canada. Dell has offices in many countries, same with Microsoft or Intel. We aren't the only country to use technology.

That is true but I am talking about us based companies as Microsoft is. Of course they might move completely go out of the country, but then they will not have us protection anymore.

3. Give job placement preferential treatment to real natural born Americans with a small tax incentive.

---If the person is here legally, I don't care about their status.

Their needs to be a distinction and I could disagree what legally is

4. Can the existing affirmative action act.

---I see this happening when whites are no longer classified as a majority.

It is obvious you are a racist against whites. You must live in a box because most people are no longer the old stereotype. If it was Obama would not be where he is today. Even the minority community is not what it used to be. The playing field is more than level now.

5. Tell the Middle East (Including Israel) to pay for the war or give us free oil,. If not we are leaving and they can fend for themselves.


---We started the latest war, why should they pay for it?

Sorry, but that war has been going on since the middle ages.

6. Pass a law that companies should convert to using water as fuel instead of oil. It can be done.

---If you say.

Japan has already developed a car in commercial production to do this. We have been doing it on the space shuttle for a few years now.

7. Take legal action against loan officers that put our country in peril financially.

---Loan officers, no, but the folks running some of these companies, OK.

Their included.

8. End the maximum limitation on the social security tax.

---You want to be able to pay more into Social Security?

No, keep the rate the same or lowered, just make high paid employees not be exempt over a certain amount like they are now.

9. Tax tution paid by foreign students

---Why? If they are here legally I have no problem with some outside blood. It sometimes makes people think.

I used to work at a college where overseas students easily had more benefits than us students do from our government. If they have enough money to come over here they can be like everyone else/

10. End the existing income tax and use a sales tax instead. The will make forieners pay their share of responcibility for being here and it will get the government out of peoples lives. We can slash the payroll of the IRS .

---Making government smaller is a great idea, but this will not work. Also, as Token has said, he pays taxes here. So, do you want a national 20% sales tax?

I know a lot of people on the cash system that not only do not pay taxes, but do not contribute to the ss tax. If you think this is not true you are naive. if we got out of all the wars and cut government, it would not need to be anywhere near that.

11. Use the existing troops pulled from the middle east to fignt drug and people trafficing along the border.

---Not a terrible idea. There are times when the Border Patrol is getting roughed up by the Mexicans.

And Iraq is a cake walk?

12. Anyone who wants to become a citizen of this country should pay a large entry fee to even get a green card.

----Please see Token's response.

T.S.

13. There would have to be a public vote on not only whether congress gets a raise but what they will get paid.

----Not a bad idea, but rather impractical.

Only impractical if you are part of congress. With all the technology we have today, it can be done. there will always be abstainers. who knows maybe many more people will start voting like they should.

14. End posh retirement plans for short time government employees.

----Not terrible, but I doubt it would happen.

T.S.

15 End the reduction of social security benefitsw for Educators and other public employees who get retirement benefits from ohter retirement plans. Currently Congress is exempt from this limitation.

---Federal pensions are a mess and I do not want a headache trying to decipher this. I did have an aunt who was a public school teacher, her pension would have made almost any of us drool.

That is the exception not the rule especially for small school districts and I know a lot of teachers where their retirement put in the market and were screwed to be left with nothing during the last market correction or politically correct stock market lingo for tough luck..

[tokenuser]

So - which of your accounts do you want me to ban? Both of them??

Screw it ... you have duplicate accounts and reply to yourself as if it bolsters the strength of your argument - you're both gone.

(Yes, I saw the reply you entered as piranio, that you then cut/pasted into computoman).

[phatlip12]

So - which of your accounts do you want me to ban? Both of them??

Screw it ... you have duplicate accounts and reply to yourself as if it bolsters the strength of your argument - you're both gone.

(Yes, I saw the reply you entered as piranio, that you then cut/pasted into computoman).


Haha! That's just sad.

[comhcinc]

:D Ha!

[rabidbadger]

classic. permaban? Or do we get to play with them later?

[tokenuser]

classic. permaban? Or do we get to play with them later?Permaban ... on so many levels.

[skyz]

i wouldn't want to be prezident

it is so aging

everyone ends up with grey hair by the end of their terms :eek:

[esophagus]

i wouldn't want to be prezident

it is so aging

everyone ends up with grey hair by the end of their terms :eek:McCain has past grey and gone to white. If he wins he'll be bald in two years, and losing the skin on his scalp by four.

[alaskalonewolf]

computoman's comments weren't left, weren't right ... they were just insane. I think that notion has bipartisan support. ... but I've always thought that 'insanity' was trying the same
thing more than twice and expecting a different outcome...

BTW, this thread has been a riot. (I laughed so hard I wet myself)

Hopefully I can throw in a bit more 'insanity'...

If I were President (of Alaska)... lol

1.We have our own people who need help.
So I would stop all foreign aid to the 'lower 48'

2. Not allow companies that displace american workers
like Exxon did to the commercial fishermen, then managed
to pay off the Supreme Court judges to get out of paying
millions in restitution. All companies who plunder the natural
resources of The Last Frontier would have to pay a premium tax.

3. Give job placement preferential treatment to real natural born
Alaskans, especially Inuit, Aleut, Tlkingit and Y'upiks who speak english.

4. Expand affirmative action to include homeless people and welfare
junkies to keep them from sucking on the public assistance titties.

5. Tell the Middle East to pay up, in gold, oil or cash, or we'll be sending in
the Alaska student loan people, along with some nukes and Special Forces
operatives to collect the cash. Charge 8% interest on the arrears they owe.

6. Pass a law that companies should convert to using human fecal matter as fuel instead of oil. It can be done.

7. Take legal action against people who feast on Wall Street stocks by short-selling them, have post office boxes on foreign soil to get out of paying taxes and put millions in dark-money in island accounts that put our investments in peril.

8. End social security.

9. Tax tution paid by political science majors

10. End all taxes and use tariffs instead. We have all the oil, lumber, coal,
fish, clean water, gold, copper and other natural resources we need. Tax
only companies whose corporate HQ, profits, and CEO's don't live here.

11. Use the existing troops pulled from the middle east to grow food, and
legalize all crops. Tax the use, sale, and distribution - since prohibition failed.

12. Anyone who wants to become a citizen must be good-looking, pass
a physical exam, Mensa testing battery, and serve as a solider for four years.

13. There would have to be a public vote by means of a 'Digg-like' popularity
website system only what a politican gets paid, & how to manage the budget.

14. End posh retirement plans for politicians.
Just put them out on an ice-flow when they
become worthless like they do in the native cultures.

15 End the reduction of other public employees by making
a free-market style approach to running the show, where
survival of the fitest wins the day. Make these employees
'fight for their job' by rite of televised combat, (exclusively
broadcast on Revision3), winner gets a raise, loser gets a
hospital bill.

[Laughing]

[sir_scutter]

If I were president, I would:


Wonder how the hell I got to be president, and instantly resign.


I don't believe in pushing my beliefs on others through coercion and theft.

[burkhartmj]

Thread of the freakin year.....or at least the month.

[alaskalonewolf]

...oh yeah and 'note to self':

Make Politician Trading Cards,
(...think Baseball Cards only
these are sold with cigarettes
and for the same reason...)

...and when President let's make sure I get that Amendment XXVIII
on the books that prevents nepotism in congress, in the white house, AND
the Supreme Court...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism
http://www.consource.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Murkowski
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Murkowski
...and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

...since, at least I believe, nepotism doesn't work out for us 'small' people
who cling to our 'Bibles and Guns' with pride and for good reason...

Now don't get offended, but it might even do 'main' stream media
some good too,
...and save us from the Baldwins...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Baldwin

...and historically speaking,
if taken seriously,
might save the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba {I hope Fidel sees this}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

swim here. Is it any coincidence we have Phelps?]

[skyz]

If I were president, I would:


Wonder how the hell I got to be president, and instantly resign.


I don't believe in pushing my beliefs on others through coercion and theft.

i think i would be a terrible president

i would care too much about the people of my country and the world to exploit them and abuse them

i would be far too honest in the face of bs

and i just couldn't send people off to war

i'd want to spend so much monry on the sciences and the arts

and preserving and restoring our natural resources

and i would have way too much honor than to tamper with the constitutional rights of my citizens

i know my limitations

[bigshotprof]

...oh yeah and 'note to self':



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism
http://www.consource.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Murkowski
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Murkowski
...and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Baldwin


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba {I hope Fidel sees this}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

[[/I]

Dang, Wolf, nobody said there'd be homework!

[alaskalonewolf]

...that's the other thing, as President I would give myself
the executive power to assign homework...
...especially to lazy members of congress
who seem to me to be taking a lot of 'time-off'
and flying all over the place for 'conferences'...
...so that at least all of capitol hill and
to a greater extent,
our entire educational system
including grade-school,
would, at the least,
be aware of the 'Diggnation effect',
concepts like 'tall-puppy syndrome',
pork-barrel projects, SIGs, earmarks
and the fact we live in the 21st Century
and this is the Age of Information, ignorance is the enemy.
Homework is mandatory.
As 2.2 million Japanese will agree.
(You see kids, we dropped a couple of bombs on them by 'surprise'
and now they pretty much have vowed never to be ignorant again.)

Note to self:

As President, make sure I write an iPod/iPhone app that
has a counter for every time I repeat myself. A twitter
app that sends a tweet for every time I contradict myself
and a real-time v-blog with a marquee underneath that's
on a time-delay (with a censor for sensitive information)
...which relays to the world what I am thinking most about...
...and where I actually spend the majority of my time and why.
(...think DiggSpy meets Politics, with more weight given
to the number of occurances and popularity) As President,
make the government lean, mean, and have the transparency
of a 'nanny-cam' where every parent can see what the neighbor
kids are doing to their dog.

I think if I am going to represent the collective will and provide
protection for that of an entire nation of different opinions, I ought
to at least explain myself prior to it being post-facto.

No more Johnny-cum-lately to the "Change" Brigade.
That's why I frequent...

http://www.c-span.org/
...and
http://www.archive.org/index.php

Sorry 'bout the rant...
...and the ramble, but sometimes politicians, especially from Alaska
make us all look like we're part of a 'bad Disney film'. (Thanks Matt)
I'm jus' as sick and tired of politics as anyone else,
...especially of some that's even akin to the
stereotyped, pot-bellied heavy, wearing a wife-beater...
...who beats his wife, but is always 'sorry'...
...or gets hammered and claims he doesn't know any better
when he gets behind the wheel of a 5000lb. car, turned weapon.
Education is at the top of a list for being President.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
http://www.ronpaul.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
http://www.barackobama.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
http://www.thecapitol.net/FAQ/cong_schedule.html
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/explore/schools/index.html
http://www.disneymovieslist.com/

...we jus' forked out a chunk of cash for people who like
to roll the dice. I'd like to take up a collection for my trip
to Vegas. I mean, I saw the movie '21' and I'm pretty good...
I'm bound to be a better guesser than them a-holes:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/senate-passes-b.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3341326080/tt0478087
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Blackjack_Team

...of course politics is often more like 'three card monte'. (Thanks Hilary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_(controversy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton

In politics, there's these three little words I love to type:
'Follow-the-money'... cuz I have yet to hear about a 'retired'
public servant ever getting financially wiped out, no, in this
country it's the 'small' people who pay...

Note to self:

Remember to vote in NOVEMBER. You have a right to CHOOSE.
Remember to wear new "Got Lipstick?" tee-shirt to the booth
and post it on YouTube so that my children can see how cool I was...
But remember, if one of em' is ah' standin' in da White House
...who fills dee ol' chair where dey wuz sittin?

[sir_scutter]

i think i would be a terrible president

i would care too much about the people of my country and the world to exploit them and abuse them

i would be far too honest in the face of bs

and i just couldn't send people off to war

i'd want to spend so much monry on the sciences and the arts

and preserving and restoring our natural resources

and i would have way too much honor than to tamper with the constitutional rights of my citizens

i know my limitations




http://crackle.com/c/Penn_Says/Penn_Says_The_Power_of_the_Presidency/2378979

[alaskalonewolf]

Nice one...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/debate-obama-mc.html

I think this debate is going to make up my mind...
I can't wait for the Q&A from the crowd.
Hopefully it won't be more softball drivle.
Or a name-calling, historical blame match.

Note to self:

As President, I would have more town halls, after being elected.
An equal number of appearances for both sides of the isle.
Institute some 'hockey-style' debate rules for counterpoints.
Disallow stupid or repetitive questions that cause voter apathy.

[alaskalonewolf]

If I were president....

...pass a U.S. Constitutional Amendment defining the Right To Vote,
and make a national uniform voting proceedure, booth, etc., to avoid
even the possibility of a repeat of the 2000 and 2004 fubars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBAR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_20 00
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004

Personally, I think they should just put together a simple platform like Digg
or Twitter and have each individual push their vote in that way, eliminate
all the middle-men getting a paycheck for my casting a ballot.

[computoman]

Not everyone has access to computers like you do. Traditional voting will probably around for a while.

[therage800]

Not everyone has access to computers like you do. Traditional voting will probably around for a while.

It would certainly make absentee voting a hell of a lot easier (and cheaper, you have to pay for international shipping) I learned that the hard way this year.

[alaskalonewolf]

...when elected I would use my power as commander and chief
to setup the national cookout day in D.C., at least once a year,
a nationwide BBq, with live music, and momma's coleslaw...
Think New Year's meets Fourth of July, but on another
nice summer day where everyone gets the day off,
because summer is always too short.

(...kinda a potlatch meets congress on the front lawn. BYOB)

[alaskalonewolf]

If I were president I would sign an amendment into law
that limits the maximum age of a "public servant",
i.e., politicians, military, mail man, etc...

...to no older than age 65, no exceptions.
Mandatory retirement. Oh and added to this,
the death penalty for proven corruption.

[bigshotprof]

If I were President:

I’d help the poor and feed the old.
I’d teach the young to add.
Get cancer screens for women
And I’d bomb Islamabad.
I’d fix the roads and bridges.
Help folks pay their mortgage bill.
I’d put computers in the schools
And then I’d Bomb Brazil.
I'd put criminals in prison
save each eagle in each park
then I'd nuke ol' North Korea
till its soil glowed in the dark.
I will balance every budget
Spay and neuter every pup.
I will make your life an Eden
If you’ll let me blow stuff up!

[xibalba]

If I were President:

I’d help the poor and feed the old.

So you would help the poor by feeding them to the old?

[bigshotprof]

So you would help the poor by feeding them to the old?

Yes. That is what I'd do.

[esophagus]

Yes. That is what I'd do.Funny. I was going to do the opposite. Feed the old to the poor.

[rabidbadger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE

[computoman]

It would certainly make absentee voting a hell of a lot easier (and cheaper, you have to pay for international shipping) I learned that the hard way this year.

Voters would need to have some kind of pre-arranged ssl or pgp certificate. It is just too easy to fake anything on the internet for me to be trusting of online voting.

[alaskalonewolf]

I dunno. I think that if R3/Digg marketed their engine, the same one
that they're using to prevent people from gaming the social news
network, I think it might just work. Besides, every "vote" would have
to have a significant, independent, unique IP addy to go with it. Right?