Wow

[phatlip12]

Register to vote people. It's scary but people like this vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

[phatlip12]

Seriously though, doesn't this sicken you?

[rabidbadger]

sicken? no. Scare me for the the furure of the USA? Hell ya.

[phatlip12]

sicken? no. Scare me for the the furure of the USA? Hell ya.

Hopefully Social-Darwinism will kick in, and people like this will cease to exist one day.

A man can dream.

[Kronos6948]

Hopefully Social-Darwinism will kick in, and people like this will cease to exist one day.

A man can dream.

Sadly, these are the type of folks who have a bunch of kids, while people with a bit of smarts decide that it's better not to have a crapload of kids. So, this world will continue to be run by morons.

[masherscf]

Hopefully Social-Darwinism will kick in, and people like this will cease to exist one day.

A man can dream.

All trends point to the reverse. More education seems to lead to a lack of fertility. If you were them, you'd be married wit ha couple of babies by now.

Anyhow, stop being such a snob. These people have every right to express themselves as best as they can. Their opinions are no more frightening or ignorant than many I've heard in the mass media. They're just less articulate about it.

Besides, I'd rather have that women be the vice-president than Sarah Palin. At least that women is honest.

Or is she? I think this video might be a fake.

[bigshotprof]

I got nothin'

[phatlip12]

All trends point to the reverse. More education seems to lead to a lack of fertility. If you were them, you'd be married wit ha couple of babies by now.

Anyhow, stop being such a snob. These people have every right to express themselves as best as they can. Their opinions are no more frightening or ignorant than many I've heard in the mass media. They're just less articulate about it.

Besides, I'd rather have that women be the vice-president than Sarah Palin. At least that women is honest.

Or is she? I think this video might be a fake.

I'm a snob for looking down on racist idiots? Did you watch the entire video?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion. They should. I to am also expressing my right to call them racist idiots.

You'd rather that woman in that video be the vice president of this country rather than Sarah Palin? Wow. I'm speechless.

[Guytheninja]

Hopefully Social-Darwinism will kick in, and people like this will cease to exist one day.

A man can dream.

I'm a much bigger fan of "Love your neighbor as yourself".

All trends point to the reverse. More education seems to lead to a lack of fertility. If you were them, you'd be married wit ha couple of babies by now.

Anyhow, stop being such a snob. These people have every right to express themselves as best as they can. Their opinions are no more frightening or ignorant than many I've heard in the mass media. They're just less articulate about it.


Exactly!

History has not been kind to the geek. The poorly educated have always been with us; the highly educated man has not (at least in large numbers).

You should watch the History Channel series about the Dark Ages. It shows how fragile civilization really is, and it shows how violent mankind can be, given the chance. If it wasn't for the monks, we wouldn't have hardly any history about ancient Greece and Rome. They kept what was left of western civilization alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhcJpalbFxo

[phatlip12]

I'm a much bigger fan of "Love your neighbor as yourself".



Exactly!

History has not been kind to the geek. The poorly educated have always been with us; the highly educated man has not (at least in large numbers).

You should watch the History Channel series about the Dark Ages. It shows how fragile civilization really is, and it shows how violent mankind can be, given the chance. If it wasn't for the monks, we wouldn't have hardly any history about ancient Greece and Rome. They kept what was left of western civilization alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhcJpalbFxo

I'm sorry guys but sometimes people are wrong. Completely and utterly wrong and racism is such a thing.

There's no need to sugar coat everything.

"Don't make fun of racist people! That's mean! You're a snob."

Honestly? If you go through life acting like this you'll never truly oppose anything.

"Well that there is an interesting concept. However, I personally respect your opinion of punching babies in the face".

Be real people.

[Secret Steve Crumbles]

There not voting for him for all the wrong reasons. There are much more logical and scarier reasons to not vote for him. But I will say, it's scary to me that people like you vote too Phatlip, aria, token, etc. With your views of where you want America to go. So, if this helps McCain, oh well. There voting for the right person but for the wrong reasons.

Also, I love how that guy in the background half way through the video suddenly decides he doesn't want his face shown. You know, after he's been recorded for a few minutes. That made me laugh.

[rabidbadger]

actually, she said she was a hillary supporter.

[Secret Steve Crumbles]

actually, she said she was a hillary supporter.
Ah, didn't catch that. When did she say that? So, who is she voting for since Hillary isn't running? Or is she just not voting at all now? If it's the latter, than I think you can relax Phatty since it doesn't matter.

[phatlip12]

Ah, didn't catch that. When did she say that? So, who is she voting for since Hillary isn't running? Or is she just not voting at all now? If it's the latter, than I think you can relax Phatty since it doesn't matter.

She's aware she isn't running but somehow thinks she's still going to get it.

It does matter though because there are people in my area that think like this. Folks that are hell bent on "Keeping that n***er out the white house".

There are tons of people like this in the country- and they vote.

I would never limit a persons right to express their opinion. I don't agree with you on things Crumbles but I do respect your opinion. I don't for people like this. If the extent of your argument is he's an "Aye-rab n***er" then you lost my respect. The same applies to anyone voting for Obama simply BECAUSE he's black.

[Secret Steve Crumbles]

The same applies to anyone voting for Obama simply BECAUSE he's black.I'm glad you were the one who said that. I agree with this 100%. There are tons of articles on the web about how if Obama loses it's because he's black. However, they NEVER talk about all the black people voting for him.... BECAUSE HE'S BLACK.

Hell, even on the hardcore righty talk show I listen too, Boortz, his black side kick, Royal, who's been a righty, is now voting for Obama. *cough* shocker *cough*

Every single time I pass a car on my way home from work that has an Obama sticker on it, the driver is always black. I just roll my eyes. I could care less if you agree with Obama and want him as the president, but it sure seems like a lot of black people are voting for him just because he's black.

That point never gets talked about in the media.

[phatlip12]

I'm glad you were the one who said that. I agree with this 100%. There are tons of articles on the web about how if Obama loses it's because he's black. However, they NEVER talk about all the black people voting for him.... BECAUSE HE'S BLACK.

Hell, even on the hardcore righty talk show I listen too, Boortz, his black side kick, Royal, who's been a righty, is now voting for Obama. *cough* shocker *cough*

Every single time I pass a car on my way home from work that has an Obama sticker on it, the driver is always black. I just roll my eyes. I could care less if you agree with Obama and want him as the president, but it sure seems like a lot of black people are voting for him just because he's black.

That point never gets talked about in the media.

If you're voting for a person for a reason other than the issues you shouldnt be voting.

Yes Obama is black. He's also "cool", but if you're voting for him because of that your priorities are seriously out of whack.

I'm looking at you Hillary/Palin supporters too. If you're voting for Palin or Hillary (well not so much Hillary anymore) because of what they believe in- more power to ya. I respect that. If you're voting for them because they're women you lost my respect.

[Guytheninja]

I
There's no need to sugar coat everything.
"Don't make fun of racist people! That's mean! You're a snob."


I agree that what they are saying is morally wrong, and it should be seen as such. Racism is a character flaw, and we all have character flaws.

I am willing to tell them to change their ways, but I am not going to make fun of them and look down my nose at them. To be honest, I feel sorry for them. Racism hurts the racist more than anyone else. Its a poison that corrupts and damages the soul.

[phatlip12]

I agree that what they are saying is morally wrong, and it should be seen as such. Racism is a character flaw, and we all have character flaws.

I am willing to tell them to change their ways, but I am not going to make fun of them and look down my nose at them. To be honest, I feel sorry for them. Racism hurts the racist more than anyone else. Its a poison that corrupts and damages the soul.

I didn't make fun of them. In fact, you basically said the exact same thing I said so I don't understand how I'm being viewed as snobby for looking down on racism.

I just don't understand how saying I hope racist people don't exist one day is a bad thing. I want a bad thing in this world to leave. That's like saying it's snobby to say I wish all child molesters cease to exist one day. If thats the definition of snobby then I'm proud to be a snob.

[Guytheninja]

I didn't make fun of them. In fact, you basically said the exact same thing I said so I don't understand how I'm being viewed as snobby for looking down on racism.

I just don't understand how saying I hope racist people don't exist one day is a bad thing. I want a bad thing in this world to leave. That's like saying it's snobby to say I wish all child molesters cease to exist one day. If thats the definition of snobby then I'm proud to be a snob.

I see, I thought you hated those people in the video and people like them. You can't hate a group of people who hate another group of people; two wrongs don't make a right.
As for racism, its just evil. I've seen racism in full force before, and boy is it an ugly sight. 10 years ago (or so), the KKK had a rally in Memphis, TN and the hatred that spewed forth was just unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUjVy2DKsQ

Some people have tried to tell me that evil does not exist --- if you saw that rally, it would change your mind. If those guys were so interested in "helping white people" or helping anyone for that matter maybe they would be saying a message more along the lines of this...

"Love your Enemies"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2nrNOlUiZc&feature=related

If everyone loved their enemies -- would war or violence even exist?

[masherscf]

I'm probably in the minority here. But, ten years as a college instructor has brought me to an incredibly non-intuitive opinion. Please are smarter than they appear. And, no matter how smart you think you are, there's someone smarter.

[Secret Steve Crumbles]

And, no matter how smart you think you are, there's someone smarter.Not if you're an 18 year old voter! Change!

[phatlip12]

Not if you're an 18 year old voter! Change!

18 year olds are smarter than anyone else? Damn! I wish I knew that a couple years back.

[masherscf]

Not if you're an 18 year old voter! Change!

Hey, when I was 18, I was the smartest person in town. Now, I'm pretty damned stupid.

[Secret Steve Crumbles]

Hey, when I was 18, I was the smartest person in town. Now, I'm pretty damned stupid.Tell me about it.

Do you know what I would give to go back to being 18 with what I know now?

Come on Doc Brown... where are you...

[masherscf]

Tell me about it.

Do you know what I would give to go back to being 18 with what I know now?

Come on Doc Brown... where are you...

I don't need a time machine. Just a way to send a few notes back.

[burkhartmj]

I don't need a time machine. Just a way to send a few notes back.

well, I'm 19, but don't think I'm the SMARTEST person ever.

As far as that video, people like that confuse the hell out of me. How does someone rationalize hating a group based on their pigmentation? It just doen't make any logical sense. As I've said before, Obama is a good man as far as I can tell, I just disagree with him on how the country should be run.

[bigshotprof]

I'm probably in the minority here. But, ten years as a college instructor has brought me to an incredibly non-intuitive opinion. Please are smarter than they appear. And, no matter how smart you think you are, there's someone smarter.

amen!

[Quix]

I'm probably in the minority here. But, ten years as a college instructor has brought me to an incredibly non-intuitive opinion. Please are smarter than they appear. And, no matter how smart you think you are, there's someone smarter.

Yep.

extra character

[esophagus]

Heh. And shes a democrat. I find that funny. Anti-stereotypical.

Still, who cares? People like this exist and no I don't hope they're eventually killed off. Surely they feel the same about you and are just as valid.

[Quix]

I just wish they would get educated and stop being ignorant.

[comhcinc]

The Enemy (http://www.arabcity.org/)


But really this isn't that big of a deal. people believe all sorts of bullshit. just look at all that supply side economics stuff for an example.

smart people believe dumb things too.

[masherscf]

The Enemy (http://www.arabcity.org/)


I hate those those god forsaken Aye-rabs...*




*follow the link people!

[rabidbadger]

funnnnnyyy!

[phatlip12]

Heh. And shes a democrat. I find that funny. Anti-stereotypical.

Still, who cares? People like this exist and no I don't hope they're eventually killed off. Surely they feel the same about you and are just as valid.

Killed off? I'm not suggesting we round them up and throw them in death camps.

Social Darwinism is the idea that a group of people will cease to exist if they don't adapt.

[masherscf]

Social Darwinism is the idea that a group of people will cease to exist if they don't adapt.

Darwinism only honers those adaptations that help reproduction. Our modern nanny culture cancels out all the negative impact of being stupid.
And, there is every indication that education and professional success in a modern technological society actually lower fertility.

People who are more educated often express that education by not breeding. Britney Spears was a double-mom at your age. Her sister is younger than you and has already reproduced. As far as I see, it's advantage white-trash.

You better get that sucker out of you pants and start with the adapting or social Darwinism is coming for you.

[phatlip12]

Darwinism only honers those adaptations that help reproduction. Our modern nanny culture cancels out all the negative impact of being stupid.
And, there is every indication that education and professional success in a modern technological society actually lower fertility.

People who are more educated often express that education by not breeding. Britney Spears was a double-mom at your age. Her sister is younger than you and has already reproduced. As far as I see, it's advantage white-trash.

Excellent point. I can see that as being true.


You better get that sucker out of you pants and start with the adapting or social Darwinism is coming for you.

Haha. :D

[esophagus]

Killed off? I'm not suggesting we round them up and throw them in death camps.

Social Darwinism is the idea that a group of people will cease to exist if they don't adapt.Expect this first sentence to sound terrible, but I really don't mean it in a bad way.

I meant "killed off" as if these people were their own species. Killed off as in extinction. Not saying you're putting them all in camps or anything. I meant it just the way you did. I know what Darwinism is.

[Quix]

The Enemy (http://www.arabcity.org/)

:D

smart people believe dumb things too.

Very true.

[AriaStar]

All trends point to the reverse. More education seems to lead to a lack of fertility. If you were them, you'd be married wit ha couple of babies by now.

Education doesn't lead to a lack of fertility. It leads to people waiting to have kids and not punching out as many as they can for the welfare checks.

[AriaStar]

I'm a snob for looking down on racist idiots? Did you watch the entire video?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion. They should. I to am also expressing my right to call them racist idiots.

You'd rather that woman in that video be the vice president of this country rather than Sarah Palin? Wow. I'm speechless.

I agree with you.

[AriaStar]

Ah, didn't catch that. When did she say that? So, who is she voting for since Hillary isn't running? Or is she just not voting at all now?

She said she voted for Hilary, voted, past tense.

[AriaStar]

I agree that what they are saying is morally wrong, and it should be seen as such. Racism is a character flaw, and we all have character flaws.

I am willing to tell them to change their ways, but I am not going to make fun of them and look down my nose at them. To be honest, I feel sorry for them. Racism hurts the racist more than anyone else. Its a poison that corrupts and damages the soul.

I'll look down my nose on anyone whose discriminatory views can negatively impact my life and the lives of my loved ones. If they were to be against Obama because of his policies, okay. But they're against him for being Arab, which he IS NOT, and his middle name. They've voting 100% on skin color and not at all on policy. Doesn't matter how poor or trashy or rednecky or anything someone is. They do know better but they just don't care.

[masherscf]

Education doesn't lead to a lack of fertility. It leads to people waiting to have kids and not punching out as many as they can for the welfare checks.

What education does is make people wait to have kids. Waiting causes a decrease in fertility.

[AriaStar]

Still, who cares? People like this exist and no I don't hope they're eventually killed off. Surely they feel the same about you and are just as valid.

No, their feelings are NOT valid. They are based on irrational blind hated rather than rational thought. I do hope they one day don't exist.

[AriaStar]

What education does is make people wait to have kids. Waiting causes a decrease in fertility.

I was under the impression you meant among people of the same age, such as a 25yo who dropped out if middle school would have more fertility than someone who finished school. I was in a debate recently with someone who claimed that. Intelligence doesn't lead to a direct decrease in fertility compared to others of the same age, just the decision to wait longer and to have fewer children.

[AriaStar]

Our modern nanny culture cancels out all the negative impact of being stupid.

This is why I favor Lawn Darts and letting people shoot heroin. Let the idiots try to catch the darts and inject themselves with death.

[masherscf]

I was under the impression you meant among people of the same age, such as a 25yo who dropped out if middle school would have more fertility than someone who finished school. I was in a debate recently with someone who claimed that. Intelligence doesn't lead to a direct decrease in fertility compared to others of the same age, just the decision to wait longer and to have fewer children.


There's no points for potential in this race. Educated and professional successful women have less children because they have put it off.

[rabidbadger]

I think the woman should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZzj7I95xCc&feature=related

[bigshotprof]

This is why I favor Lawn Darts and letting people shoot heroin. Let the idiots try to catch the darts and inject themselves with death.

"No, their feelings are NOT valid. They are based on irrational blind hated rather than rational thought."

Hmm? I wonder . . . .

[rabidbadger]

wow times ten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E&eu

[tokenuser]

wow times ten.Is Sarah Palin a comedian?

Look at the connections. Just look at her name. She could be a member of the flying circus.

OK, it wan't a quote from the clip, but the logic follows the same as their arguements.

... not the sharpest tools in the shed were they?

[phatlip12]

wow times ten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E&eu

I can't stand hicks.

[rabidbadger]

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129370.html

[masherscf]

This video makes me weep.

[tokenuser]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bagg.parking.politics.wfmy

Another "Wow" moment.

[rabidbadger]

pathetic. Here's another one, story, not vid. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html?iref=24hours).

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bagg.parking.politics.wfmy

Another "Wow" moment.

I thought it more of a OMFG moment. I thought the did away with segregation a long time ago. He's obviously a land-owner, but I wonder if he flew that flag while Clinton was running for office...

Yeah, I don't think 'wow' exactly covers that one. Surprised I didn't see that until you posted it here. Never ceases to absolutely amaze me...

...you'd think the fact someone actually put a bumper-sticker on their car is bad enough, especially considering you'll have to tear it off once the 'favor-of-the-week' ends up being not-so-popular anymore. Makes me also wonder what the RMS intelligence quotient of voters are these days... y'know, that less-than percentage that actually decided to vote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/25/AR2005052501965.html

...I wonder how many parking lots didn't allow Bush bumper stickers?
Oh wait, that's right everyone likes 'Bush'... hahaha sorry couldn't resist.
Meanwhile in the woods...

aWMHIGCPzJ4

...is when I found out about Obama, and once again had some faith in the American dream, even though voter fraud is taking on ever more prevailence, and though everyone else was getting hammered all weekend, some of us were looking toward the future with new vision, instead of only living in the moment...

[tokenuser]

...is when I found out about Obama, and once again had some faith in the American dream, even though voter fraud is taking on ever more prevailence, and though everyone else was getting hammered all weekend, some of us were looking toward the future with new vision, instead of only living in the moment...Anderson looks/sounds a lot like the Jamberoo Music festival I used to go to bakc home.

... and you heard banjos there too.

(Actually, I hear banjos on my back porch regularly. The guy playing sucks, but is getting better. Oh yeah. I am the sucky banjo player :) )

[rabidbadger]

Obama in july, prescient about McCains recent flurry of negativity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2iufUU1f4

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...hadn't seen that one before, in the compliation, but I found it hilarious. It's what I've been saying all along too. That when you're auditioning for the most incredibly difficult, and dangerous job in the known Universe, you should stick to the issues. Instead, it's been nothing but a straight-up mud-slingathon from the beginning when Hilary was still in it. I wish that Dr. Paul and the rest of the field had made it to the 'town meetings' to barbecue McCain. If he really was going to lead, he shouldn't be worried about other people.

[tokenuser]

Later in Minnesota, a woman told McCain: "I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab."

Yep, you got the shallow end of the gene pool (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html) supporting you John.

[masherscf]

Yep, you got the shallow end of the gene pool (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html) supporting you John.

He's one of those crafty African American Arabs, they're the worst!

[comhcinc]

yeah poor mccain is just being beat up on all sides.

[phatlip12]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bagg.parking.politics.wfmy

Another "Wow" moment.

What an asshole.

If that guy was in my town lets just say my buddies and I would go on a little late night recon mission. The sign wouldn't be there in the morning. Or perhaps better, plaster Obama stickers on the sign covering up what it says. :)

Vandalism? Yes. Would I care? Not really.

[masherscf]

yeah poor mccain is just being beat up on all sides.

The Conservative Newsletter "The National Review" apparently wrote a scathing editorial critical of McCain's pandering Mortgage rescue plan (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2008/10/mccains_mortgage_plan.html). Of course, it was in their print version and no place anyone else could read it and pass it around as links.

[rabidbadger]

Mc Cain twice today told his gang to cool it (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html) with the terrorist thang. But he's doing it now cause all the media was focusing on the negativity, not cause he really gives a damn.

But if you see the video, the gang bood him when he said it. Freaks.

[phatlip12]

Mc Cain twice today told his gang to cool it (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html) with the terrorist thang. But he's doing it now cause all the media was focusing on the negativity, not cause he really gives a damn.

But if you see the video, the gang bood him when he said it. Freaks.

That and McCain doesn't want to scare away those independent voters.

[rabidbadger]

oops, same story, different source, as tokens.

[masherscf]

Mc Cain twice today told his gang to cool it (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html) with the terrorist thang. But he's doing it now cause all the media was focusing on the negativity, not cause he really gives a damn.

But if you see the video, the gang bood him when he said it. Freaks.

That was like these douchbags at the Brooklyn live Diggnation that booed Jlouderb when he tried to thank Zune for sponsoring the event.

You know, he let them stir up this mob. I have no sympathy now that they bite him.

[comhcinc]

Mc Cain twice today told his gang to cool it (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html) with the terrorist thang. But he's doing it now cause all the media was focusing on the negativity, not cause he really gives a damn.

But if you see the video, the gang bood him when he said it. Freaks.

no deep down i think mccain is still a good guy and i think he really doesn't like running his ticket this way. he is just letting the attack dog neo cons lead him around.

it is ashame really.

[AriaStar]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bagg.parking.politics.wfmy

Another "Wow" moment.

Oh god damn, what an idiot. If he'd said no McCain supporter, I'd still call him an idiot for making Obama supporters look bad.

[straylightrise]

I have to say I hate the word neo-con. Everyone loves to throw that term around.

But yea McCain's team is made up of a smorgasbord of neo-cons and right-wingers. They also have like 4 people for each job which is why it's been so incohesive. McCain has changed his campaign team more than Crumbles' changes his armband.

[AriaStar]

I have to say I hate the word neo-con. Everyone loves to throw that term around.

Neo-cons are the people so far right that they're basically insane. It's a derogatory term for those people. That's why it's thrown around. Regular sane conservatives are called conservatives. I like having a way to differentiate the two groups instead of lumping them all in together.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...more than Crumbles' changes his armband.

omfg... Lol

Straylightrise [3]
Crumbles [0]

[rabidbadger]

As usual, Obama takes the high road, and not 'cause he needs to reverse his poll numbers. A gentleman.

“I want to acknowledge that Senator McCain tried to tone down the rhetoric in his town hall meeting yesterday,” Mr. Obama said, speaking at an early-morning rally in North Philadelphia. “I appreciated his reminder that we can disagree while still being respectful of each other. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – Senator McCain has served this country with honor, and he deserves our thanks for that.”

[Guytheninja]

I have to say I hate the word neo-con. Everyone loves to throw that term around.

But yea McCain's team is made up of a smorgasbord of neo-cons and right-wingers. They also have like 4 people for each job which is why it's been so incohesive. McCain has changed his campaign team more than Crumbles' changes his armband.

What armband are you guys talking about? Is this an inside joke?

[bigshotprof]

I have to say I hate the word neo-con. Everyone loves to throw that term around.

But yea McCain's team is made up of a smorgasbord of neo-cons and right-wingers. They also have like 4 people for each job which is why it's been so incohesive. McCain has changed his campaign team more than Crumbles' changes his armband.

I like the word neo-con. it reminds me of our robot oppressors.

[rabidbadger]

What's Neo-Con short for? Neon Conquistadors? Neolithic Contrarians? Near-Earth-Object Can-Of-Nutjobs?

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

ooooh, oooooh pick me! pick me! I wanna' field this one:

________________________________
neo-con (pronouced: knee-hoe-kahn) n. Meaning a person or group
of persons who are new i.e., (neo from the latin meaning new or current)
con (a contraction of the word conservative, i.e., con) being a person
or persons who are trying to bring us all back to an earlier time before
certain 'advancements' in civil-rights, technology, or government had
taken place, e.g., a simpler time when women were in the kitchen, barefoot
and pregnant and Jesse was out pickin' cotton out on the back forty.

See Also:

Definiton [2]
http://www.neocon.com/

And Authoritative References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy14.html
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_196286.html


The arm-band thing is, might possibly be, a reference to another, less flattering
movement from the Germans circa WWII where the Allies stomped a bunch
of arm-band wearing a-holes into the ground, and liberated a bunch of others
who were forced to wear badges slash arm-bands. Dunno' I could be off on
that one... perhaps it is an 'inside' thing.

See Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges

[Guytheninja]

What's Neo-Con short for? Neon Conquistadors? Neolithic Contrarians? Near-Earth-Object Can-Of-Nutjobs?

There you go again Badger.... I wanted to adopt the prestigious title "Near-Earth-Object Can-Of-Nutjob", but you had to politicize it. Now, what am I going to do eh?

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...that's the thing about being limited to one 'wing'... it's damn hard to fly anywhere, and waddling around sure looks silly. The word I hate them 'throwing around' is bipartisan. I swear, a guy could die if you made a drinking game out of taking a stiffy, everytime McCain said it in any given speech... last time I lost count after like fifty.

[rabidbadger]

...I swear, a guy could die if you made a drinking game out of taking a stiffy, everytime McCain said it in any given speech...

Oh god, do NOT take me there when I'm in such a wiseass mood. :p

[tokenuser]

... my friend ...

[yohey9]

Are we sure this is real? This seems pretty incredible.

[tokenuser]

Are we sure this is real? This seems pretty incredible.Which part? They are all pretty credible so far .. often taken from independent sources.

[yohey9]

Which part? They are all pretty credible so far .. often taken from independent sources.

Ah sorry....I have seen the ones in the news recently. But that very first one just seems so outrageous. The one that started the discussion.

[phatlip12]

The feared his daughters would probably play loud rap music in the White House while world leaders were staying. They feared that Muslim would become our official religion. One of them even feared that "the Muslim language would be taught in schools." Priceless.

They changed the subject for a while, but on the way out the door one of the men told me "you are a disgrace to white people if you vote for that man."http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/10/214022/36/494/627013


Wow again.

[rabidbadger]

Wow, indeed!

[phatlip12]

Wow * 100

Listen to the part where the rape kits come up and someone in the crowd yells the rape victim should be killed. THEN someone else says she should have to pay double.

I'm voting for Obama for the issues- not because he's black. But I will say this. I hope he also wins because as a black man thats going to prove to these idiots that we as a country are done with that. They can go on living in their hateful little world and as time goes on their group will get smaller and smaller. A black man in the white house brings us one step closer to burying this sort of hate in this country. It's progress and they can't stand it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RysKP5YCk

[rabidbadger]

I so fucking hate so much of my "fellow americans" right now. B r a i n D e a d M o r o n s !

I CANNOT believe these idiots share this great land with me. No wonder Crumbles is in hiding, even HE can't apologize for these fucktards.

[tokenuser]

Wow again.I am not really a fan of TheDailyKos ... it is as biased to the left as many other sites are to the right, but thats an interesting annecdote.

I love the poll at the end. I voted in the poll to see the results ...

McCain/Palin supporters
Ignorant 11% 3707 votes
Desperate 3% 930 votes
Scared 4% 1238 votes
Bigoted 3% 940 votes
All of the above 67% 21747 votes
None of the above 3% 1029 votes
3.14 8% 2691 votes

Not all McCain/Palin supporters are ignorant or bigoted. At this stage of the game I can see desperate and scared, but not the other two. There are plenty of African Americans who will be voting the GOP ticket, and love it or hate it, the policies of the GOP are not ignorant - just different to those of the Dems. The "all of the above" majority in the poll is actually a "Wow" from the other direction, but understandable given the The Daily Kos audience.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...that was awesome. Everytime I feel down or depressed, I know I can come in here and instantly be in a better mood. You guys make me feel all warm and fuzzy...

[xibalba]

With all these idiots in the US I wouldn't doubt multiple attempts on Obama if he were to win. People are so stupid sometimes.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...still haven't heard who that was though, although this one was even more offensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bky2SGrmC8g

...I thought it was a rule that you had to wear some sort of bedcloth when out in public though...

?

[rabidbadger]

Speaking of monkeys (http://www.crooksandliars.com/john-amato/man-palin-rally-displays-monkey-doll-we)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKUovpF9LWU

other cbs vid in above link from later at the rally.

It never ends with these blowhards.

[tokenuser]

And the ironic thing is that will be lost on most people at the rally?

It was a Curious GEORGE monkey, not a Curious Barry.

[esophagus]

Neo-cons are the people so far right that they're basically insane. It's a derogatory term for those people. That's why it's thrown around. Regular sane conservatives are called conservatives. I like having a way to differentiate the two groups instead of lumping them all in together.
You may be using neocon as a derogatory term, but that would mean you are using it wrong. It's a real group of conservatives, that came out to sort of counter the new left of the '60s and '70s.

[comhcinc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MKG2hFWao

you will have to forgive Jr. he was too busy being high, drunk and beating one of his sons to really pay attention.

[phatlip12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MKG2hFWao

you will have to forgive Jr. he was too busy being high, drunk and beating one of his sons to really pay attention.

Does he not know Bush and other Republicans supported the bail out? Also, why is he bitching about the state of the union? Has he forgot a Republican has been in the white house these past 8 years? Let alone Republicans controlling everything else for most of that time?

[comhcinc]

Does he not know Bush and other Republicans supported the bail out? Also, why is he bitching about the state of the union? Has he forgot a Republican has been in the white house these past 8 years? Let alone Republicans controlling everything else for most of that time?
he was too busy being high, drunk and beating one of his sons to really pay attention. i really wasn't joking about that.

[phatlip12]

he was too busy being high, drunk and beating one of his sons to really pay attention. i really wasn't joking about that.

I really don't understand whats wrong with these people. I just don't get it. We had a Republican president these past 8 years. We had a Republican majority on capital hill for most of that time. Yet, the current state of our union is somehow Democrats fault. A Republican will fix it. That's simply delusional.

Make no mistake, TONS AND TONS of people are voting for McCain because they think he's a better candidate. They're looking at the issues and they're making an educated choice based on those issues. I have no problem with that.

However, as election day gets closer and closer many of the McCain supporters are starting to show their true colors. Racist, hateful bigots. I've watched the footage at the McCain rallies these past few days and frankly, it makes me a little ashamed to be an American.

I obviously hope Obama wins based on the issues. But politics aside, I think it's important he wins. He needs to prove to this country and the world that America is DONE with this sort of thinking. Does it still exist? Yes, it sure as hell does. But we need to announce to the world that we're done with this. It's progress and the racist idiots hate it. In time, their group will become smaller and smaller and ours greater and greater. Democrat or Republican- we're done with this and its our responsibility to let the wold know that this ISN'T America and this isn't how we are.

[Guytheninja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MKG2hFWao

you will have to forgive Jr. he was too busy being high, drunk and beating one of his sons to really pay attention.

Why is this video in this thread? I watched it twice, and I can't find anything racist or hateful about it. He didn't call Obama a terrorist or "curious george" or anything like that. He simply sung about why he is going to vote for McCain and Palin. I never thought I would defend Hank Williams Jr., but what is so unreasonable about this song?

[phatlip12]

Why is this video in this thread? I watched it twice, and I can't find anything racist or hateful about it. He didn't call Obama a terrorist or "curious george" or anything like that. He simply sung about why he is going to vote for McCain and Palin. I never thought I would defend Hank Williams Jr., but what is so unreasonable about this song?

I know racism has been the general topic but not a necessity. Basically- post anything political that you find shocking.

As indicated earlier, I thought it was shocking how he blamed the state of the union on Democrats despite Republicans being in control for the most part these past 8 years.

The song wasn't pro McCain. It was a song against Obama and Democrats.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

I know racism has been the general topic but not a necessity... a song against Obama and Democrats.
You know, you're so right. The insinuation being made with a) country music, and b) the 'country' music culture...
It's one that's more entrenched than hip-hop. Personally I found the whole bit laughable, and makes me feel ashamed for liking any music,
but my dog liked it and instantly started howling in a real eerie sorta' way. Don't worry, there wasn't any lipstick involved.

Personally, I am a racist: because I only love supercross, IHRA racing, NASCAR, F1 and IndyCar racing; I have the Danica tee-shirt to go with my screensaver.
I don't get the part where people get all caught-up with how the car looks, (y'know like the colour of the paint), when it's what's under the hood that matters...
And, even as a relatively stupid racist, I still won't vote for anyone who doesn't get to the point, or fails miserably to specifically explain why I should let them be in
control of one of THE most powerful nations on planet Earth, but then only to sing to the tune of a sh***y and poorly executed country song. Republicans have been
in control, for quite some time, and have little to show for all the money they wasted. They tend to insult my intelligence, after taking the 'red' pill during the last election.
Makes me ashamed of being Alaskan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danica_Patrick
[Racist - definition #3, e.g., someone who likes racing but holds hatred for some races, such as Nintendo Mario Kart or three-legged races at cookouts for example.]

Why was she even clapping?

What's wrong with you Sarah?

Have you lost your f***ing mind?

[tokenuser]

Makes me ashamed of being Alaskan.

Why was she even clapping?

What's wrong with you Sarah?

Have you lost your f***ing mind?Speaking of which ... as the Alaskan Governor in absentia, has anyone noticed she is missing?

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...funny you should ask that, why er, ah... no actually,
now that you mention it... not a bit. Strange, eh?

[Incidently, I hoped the Red ticket to be Condoleezza Rice slash Ron Paul
and Barack Obama slash Hilary Clinton on the Blue ticket, since I think
that this would have actually been a more realistic face-off of ideals...]

[comhcinc]

Speaking of which ... as the Alaskan Governor in absentia, has anyone noticed she is missing?

i saw someone yesterday comment on the fact that her kids are campaigning with her. shouldn't they be in school?

[masherscf]

i saw someone yesterday comment on the fact that her kids are campaigning with her. shouldn't they be in school?

You betcha, abstinence only doesn't teach itself!

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...obviously, Sarah didn't want them to be 'left behind'...
only god knows what they'd get into if left alone in Wasilla
with mom off being a rock-star.

Can you imagine the bonfire parties... epic.

I guess Sarah does support the 'Bush' doctrine after all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

...besides, the kids help John when he 'forgets' stuff.
Who says kids can't pitch-in and help the elderly?

---"Coming Soon" on the Shopping Network ---
::McCain's Greatest Hits::

...see his suffering, with early onset of Alzeheimer's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

...the revealling fact, that he hides his own Easter Eggs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zx3-0zOPs

...and McCain making Dolores Alfond Chairman, cry at
senate select POW/MIA affairs committee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg
...then storms out of the room to find those Easter Eggs.

---Rest in Peace Tim Russert, (May 7, 1950 - June 13, 2008)---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Russert
You will be deeply missed.

[Guytheninja]

You know, you're so right. The insinuation being made with a) country music, and b) the 'country' music culture...
It's one that's more entrenched than hip-hop. Personally I found the whole bit laughable, makes me feel ashamed for liking country music,
but my dog liked it and instantly started howling in a real eerie sorta' way. Don't worry, there wasn't any lipstick involved.


Music from Hank Williams Jr. aka "Bocephus" is not good country music.

[tokenuser]

There you go again Badger.... I wanted to adopt the prestigious title "Near-Earth-Object Can-Of-Nutjob", but you had to politicize it. Now, what am I going to do eh?The title is already taken. That was the theme for a Jerry Springer episode last week, and Judge Judy had a case last month where two people in the same family were claiming the title by heredi... herit.. inherid... crap - their papa was a nutjob, and they each thought they deserved to be called a nutjob as well. Judy sentenced them both to working at political rallies, saying that there are already enough nutjobs ... they just need to open their eyes. I saw one of the sons ("Bubba"? "Bo"? "Chet"?) carrying his monkey on TV ... so they are takinghere sentencing seriously.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...dude, if I actually took the time here and listed
all the country music that sucked, or I hated,
Rev3 would think they were under a DoS flood attack.
I can name all the country songs I like, on one hand,
and have fingers left over.

And I agree, Hank senior should've discouraged music
in his home. It would've saved so many lives.

[BTW, not to change the subject, but is there any
way you could change the 'Member' thingie under my
alias to say, I dunno, something like 'Throbbing Member'...
I think it would better suit me, since sometimes I wonder
if I'm gonna' have this screaming headache until the whole
election is over in what, like 20 days now? C'mon November...]

[phatlip12]

Wow. I bet you guys $100 this guys house gets egged this Halloween.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbcVNOMqSk

[bigshotprof]

[BTW, not to change the subject, but is there any
way you could change the 'Member' thingie under my
alias to say, I dunno, something like 'Throbbing Member'...


Check the terms of service. when you get to 200 posts, you will be promoted to "Pencil Dick."

[bigshotprof]

Wow. I bet you guys $100 this guys house gets egged this Halloween.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbcVNOMqSk

Geez! I'll bet that house gets egged on Easter!

[masherscf]

This idea that whites somehow built this country is revisionist. The first non-native person to set foot in Manhattan was African. He was set ashore by his dutch employers to scout the island for possible settlement.

Colonial America was built on the backs of an indentured and enslaved worker population. This country was founded on the premise that no man has a birthright to power based on lineage or religion. To claim that someone isn't "fully-American" based only on their religion, ethnicity or family history is about as unamerican as you can get. How-the-fuck have we come to this?

[speed]

I can't believe that racism on this level still exists. What does the colour of a persons skin matter? Who gives a damn if Obama is black? That doesn't make his opinions wrong, or McCains right.

[phatlip12]

This is just sad. I truly feel sorry for small minded people. I'm not implying that religious people are small minded because I myself have religious beliefs. What I'm implying is blindly following something. I just don't understand that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc

[bigshotprof]

How does the woman reconcile Obama's "muslim-ness" with the Star of David on the ghost's head?

[masherscf]

How does the woman reconcile Obama's "muslim-ness" with the Star of David on the ghost's head?

I'm wondering exactly what evidence this woman has that Obama has less "Faith in the Lord" than McCain...other than mindless rantings of her parish preacher.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

I am wondering why some corners of the media
keep making "the average American" look like
a complete idiot.

Makes me want to watch Canadian politics instead...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiRh7jcaX-g

[tokenuser]

I'm wondering exactly what evidence this woman has that Obama has less "Faith in the Lord" than McCain...other than mindless rantings of her parish preacher.I am hoping that her husband does in fact do the right thing ... D-I-V-O-R-C-E ...

... and what was with the line "thats not the christianity in the bible"?

[masherscf]

I am hoping that her husband does in fact do the right thing ... D-I-V-O-R-C-E ...

... and what was with the line "thats not the christianity in the bible"?

It's a crock of crap. I want to see the place where Jesus says it's okay to judge someone based on their parents.

Also, her chief objection to Obama was his name? But, Obama sounds Irish to me. It's kind of a cross between O'Bannon and O'Hara. The she says it aloud in such a mater of fact fashion that the mere pronoucation itself was the end of the argument. Then, she qualifies, "And, I'm not alone," as if not being alone is the standard for a good idea.

[tokenuser]

Apparently, he went through law school being known as Barry.

President Barry O'Bama.

Problem is, with a name like O'Bama - he'd be Catholic ... and catholics in the white house are never popular (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy).

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

She proves her ignorance every time she breathes.
Last time I checked it still read the same:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=22&verse=21&version=31&context=verse

Church and State are to be seperate. And, while rather popular among many, He never ran for office.
To me, at least, it seemed she obviously didn't understand politics or what she would claim as her faith.
And, He did pass judgment against the decendants of those who went against the message He delivered:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=12&verse=34&version=31&context=verse

Except for the fact, and made it clear, you should be careful when it came to 'throwing stones'
which is definitely a reference to passing judgement on someone else. I guess that's His job. [John 8:7]
BTW, the "Christianity of the Bible" states simply that:

"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for,
the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." (Hebrews 11:1)

To me, she is obviously without faith.
And obviously swayed by any catchy tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGlqdqdjZY0

...look at the evidence, not at the propaganda.

[bigshotprof]

It's a crock of crap. I want to see the place where Jesus says it's okay to judge someone based on their parents.



Well, the dude clearly had father issues.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Well, the dude clearly had father issues. ...probably a thoroughly endoctrinated ordained minister
of some organized 'Christian' denomination. It seems to me that they typically vote Republican,
believeing it better to have someone think for them, than think for themself.

[tokenuser]

About an hour back (I ws in the car) I heard an interview on NPR (Talk of the Nation?) with a Republican about Powell's endoresment of Obama.

====[Pause]====

Rather than post in vague terms, here is the synopsis from NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95906249) (yes, it was Talk of the Nation).

Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards says Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama is just the latest in a long series of repudiations of the GOP. In a post on Politico.com, Edwards says he's "shocked by the disgust" prominent Republicans are showing for their own party.

They had an interview with him discussing the op/ed piece he wrote for politico. The politico piece really wasn't particularly interesting, but the interview was (link to the audio in the link above).

Basically he was talking about there being some sort of rejection of intellect by the GOP supporters. The party no longer stood for new ideas, and indeed shunned them (as evidenced by the cat calling from the rally audiences at GOP events). The defection of Powell comes at the end of a long list of other prominent Republicans whol also said they will not be voting for McCain. Upshot is that Powell still has infintie respect for McCain, but has shown unsteady leadership, and the educated in the GOP are trying to distance themselves from the "further right" that the GOP has become.

I didn't explain is particularly well, but if you have 17 minutes, you might want to listen to that segment.

[rabidbadger]

The audio on this link (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/more-hate-voicemails-and-emails-directe) of voice mails sent to ACORN are so vile and obscene that you really have to decide if you even wanna listen to them. I think this is beyond wow.

[speed]

The audio on this link (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/more-hate-voicemails-and-emails-directe) of voice mails sent to ACORN are so vile and obscene that you really have to decide if you even wanna listen to them. I think this is beyond wow.

So what did ACORN actually do? I know they supposedly submitted false voter registrations or something, but I don't know if there's ever been any evidence or not.

[rabidbadger]

Acorn is simply a community organization, one of the things they do is register citizens to vote under specific laws. They have no control over what the people write on the registration cards, but they are bound by law to turn them in to election boards. If someone on the street registers as Mickey Mouse, Acorn legally has to turn it in anyway. The election board is supposed to verify it. But Acorn does the right thing before turning them in, by flagging potential false ones for the election board to find easier. That is the part that the right won't tell you. And even if Mickey Mouse registration slips through, Mickey aint gonna show up to vote, one way or the other, anyway. So it's all just another distraction from the important issues facing our nation and our world.

[rabidbadger]

and now. a glimmer of hope wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2EndLZv7w

[tokenuser]

So what did ACORN actually do? I know they supposedly submitted false voter registrations or something, but I don't know if there's ever been any evidence or not.Its pretty simple really.

ACORN are a community organisation that pays a stipend to people to go out and get people in poorer communities to register to vote. I believe it is on a "per signup" type basis.

When each volunteer returns, people at ACORN go through the returned forms and try to verify that the registrations collected are true, potentially true, or false. True ones are the verified by called the person back at the phone number they gave, potentially true ones are ones where the person isn't there at the moment (but still lives there), false ones are "Mickey Mouse" or forms filled out by someone with the same handwriting. Now, because the people volunteering to do this get paid on a per signup basis, the more forms they submit, the more they get paid. If you could make another $50 by filling out forms based on the names and addresses you see in the phone book, it might be tempting to do it.

LEGALLY all the collected forms need to be submitted, but ACORN want as many of the forms to be as correct as possible, so they pre-vet the forms (REGARDLESS of who the person nominated as their party affiliation), and submit them as three piles.

The GOP are up in arms because they heard that a stack of false forms had been filled. Wah!! Problem is, ACORN had already identified tham as being potentially false, but were bound by the law to submit them - it was not their job to throw out bad forms.

Yes, voter fraud is a serious business. ACORN are doing the right thing, and yet somehow the GOP twist it to look like they are in the wrong.

[comhcinc]

and now. a glimmer of hope wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2EndLZv7w
that was a nice clip. i love the way the women can't answer the question and this blames "the media"

what exactly is this "the media" that i should be so afraid of? is it some type of dragon?

[esophagus]

McCain supporters (including Muslim McCain supporters) drive people perpetuating rumors of Obama being an Islamic Socialist out of a McCain rally. (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1463341016?bctid=1866657225)

[comhcinc]

McCain supporters (including Muslim McCain supporters) drive people perpetuating rumors of Obama being an Islamic Socialist out of a McCain rally. (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1463341016?bctid=1866657225)
Dude that is the same thing badger post. party foul, party foul!

[esophagus]

Dude that is the same thing badger post. party foul, party foul!

Baha. Whoops. I didn't even read his post, just saw someone post it on Twitter.

[esophagus]

Yes, voter fraud is a serious business. ACORN are doing the right thing, and yet somehow the GOP twist it to look like they are in the wrong.And that the entire thing is an effort to have Obama fraudulently elected.

[masherscf]

Yes, voter fraud is a serious business. ACORN are doing the right thing, and yet somehow the GOP twist it to look like they are in the wrong.

The 'Pubs are grasping at anything. They're hoping that people won't check the facts. You'll never hear that it was ACORN themselves that flagged the potential fraud on FOX news.

[esophagus]

The 'Pubs are grasping at anything. They're hoping that people won't check the facts. You'll never hear that it was ACORN themselves that flagged the potential fraud on FOX news.Ignorance is bliss. I don't know how anyone can get their facts on ACORN (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/obama-denies-ties-acorn/) from a news source that is currently reporting on a UFO scandal (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440945,00.html).

[phatlip12]

and now. a glimmer of hope wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2EndLZv7w

It sounds like this was in Maryland (the guy mentioned being part of the official McCain camp in MD). I'm proud to hear that my state has some intelligent, non racist McCain supporters.

Maryland as a whole is a Democrat state but it's nice to see some intelligent voters on the opposition for a change.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...noticed how quick the guy started reeling when he realized
that he was not very intimidating with his propaganda. I really
wonder how much money he wasted on all the stickers and
handouts. I loved the way the people in the crowd started to
speak up when they saw that the guy wasn't even supposed
to be there. Even the racists thought the guy was an idiot.

I'm still speachless after seeing this clip:
(Which I'm sure you've already seen before...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsLocenvNB0


...wow, just about covers it. McCain himself is sponsoring this ugly sort
of insanity, then asking his campaign people to rebuke it. Yet another sly,
mixed message, probably in an effort to 'confuse' people into voting for him.

[rabidbadger]

Some tactics never change. But i hope the results do.

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/wantedfortreason.jpg

[xibalba]

Wow someone killed a black bear cub and laid Obama signs on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/obama_dead_bear

[phatlip12]

...noticed how quick the guy started reeling when he realized
that he was not very intimidating with his propaganda. I really
wonder how much money he wasted on all the stickers and
handouts. I loved the way the people in the crowd started to
speak up when they saw that the guy wasn't even supposed
to be there. Even the racists thought the guy was an idiot.

I'm still speachless after seeing this clip:
(Which I'm sure you've already seen before...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsLocenvNB0


...wow, just about covers it. McCain himself is sponsoring this ugly sort
of insanity, then asking his campaign people to rebuke it. Yet another sly,
mixed message, probably in an effort to 'confuse' people into voting for him.

I think it's disgusting how McCain is trying to play it off as if he's the victim.

[masherscf]

I think it's disgusting how McCain is trying to play it off as if he's the victim.

He's a victim of his own people. These are people that didn't back McCain in the Primaries. Some of them openly said they would vote for Clinton over McCain. The only back him now because they're scared shitless of a Progressive African American Democrat. They don't believe in John McCain's real views. They don't believe in his agenda as a reformer. Shit, Palin got up and stated that she supported an ammendment to the US contitution that banned gay marriage. This is in direct contratiction to McCain's stated policy.


They don't believe McCain has a chance in a fair race. Instead, they've inadvertently damaged McCain's campiagn for all time by continuously brining up this bullshit. McCain has no control over his campaign, it's unrealistic to think he'll have any control over these people while in office. His claims to superior leadership are a sham. If he's elected, despite all of this, it will be the biggest disaster in American History.

Meanwhile, thoughtful people like the "I can't vote for a person with a name like Obama" crowd continue to open their pie-holes. I can imagine McCain dieing a little inside every time he hears it. He endured torture for these people.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

He's a victim of his own people..... McCain has no control over his campaign, it's unrealistic to think he'll have any control over these people while in office.
That's a scary revelation to say the least, considering the fact that
McCain is now a heartbeat away from actually being President. His
contradictions when forced to reconcile with previous statements
made in the press is truly astonishing. Not to mention the fact, that,
when given continuous opprotunity to speak out on what his plans
are to move this country forward, in a frightful and unsteady world
climate, he only seems to fall back on his opponent's failings instead
of speaking from a position of strength. Doesn't seem to me, to be
in the least, the behavior that's significant of actually being President.

[esophagus]

Just saw this on Twitter.Now that Hamas has endorsed Obama and Al Qaeda has endorsed McCain, I don't know who to vote for. - Wait - forgot about Bill Ayers. So. The logic here seems flawed and untrue. It just. It stopped me in my tracks for a second.

[phatlip12]

Just saw this on Twitter.So. The logic here seems flawed and untrue. It just. It stopped me in my tracks for a second.

Wait, what? Hamas and Al Qaeda are endorsing presidential candidates?

[esophagus]

Wait, what? Hamas and Al Qaeda are endorsing presidential candidates?No, and Bill Ayers is a false issue as well. That's what dumbfounded me. The ease with which that person must blindly accept rumors to be true. And even if these rumors were true, I would think that the endorsement of a group we're currently at war against would be enough to sway your vote to the other side.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...I would think that the endorsement of a group we're currently at war against would be enough to sway your vote to the other side.

Who cares... terrorists are criminals. They don't get a vote.
The tactic they employ is the psychology of fear. It is an
attempt to invoke radical and irrational patterns of thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFV00CN7oc


...wow? No. It's a feeble attempt at political influence, since Hamas,
and the rest of their kind, lack the validity to command the respect
of a recognized organization. They are no different than the mob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia

The typical terrorist, just as it is with any criminal, is the
distorted mindset, a self-image based on attention seeking
behavior. They act out of this hunger. Having them influence
any decision, is feeding into their exceedingly ambitious, at times
fruitful endeavors, being media whores. It is truly pathetic, on
both sides, since anyone so swayed by any of their actions,
only fuels their cause which stands against any form of sanity.
It is why we do not negotiate with them; we don't pander to
their ideology; and specifically, we don't tolerate the proliferation
of their idiotic perception of reality. They are not a part of the
American dream, and they have no place at the table.

In both books, I've read, that were written by Obama, he spells
it out in great detail. He reviewed the transistion in life, and tied
together pieces of what he believes in, without the hate or bias
some claim he has demonstrated. Again, it's only propaganda...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_of_Hope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_from_My_Father

Look at the evidence. Gossip and rumors are irrelevant in my book,
and it takes more than that to argue for my, solitary, counted, vote.

[masherscf]

It's reverse psychology. Al' Queda is really for Obama. But, they'll endorse a McCain because they really want people to vote for Obama.

I had no idea that Peter Griffin was now Bin Ladin's political adviser.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Found a few more things that I'm puttin' in the "WowBox"
this election year slash political race-season.

I first said "...wow", when I saw this 'Ballad of Sarah Palin' which I'm sure
you've already seen. I finally managed to turn it into a ring-tone for my LG.
(I got sick of the iPhone's lack of real buttons, and returned to old faithful)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwRnOHsRS48

...a huge 'wow' when I went to pick up an on-line NY mag,
only to catch the_final_undoing_of_sarah_palin (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/10/the_final_undoing_of_sarah_palin.html?imw=Y&f=most-emailed-24h5) and I saw
this "LeftistLibNut" in an attempt to arrest Karl_Rove (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove) on stage...
...are both of these women drinking crazy-juice or what? Wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPSCyZ_CN0

I ran across a rather hilarious, fake Obama robocall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGrEmkwLPxM
...wow, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Michele_Bachmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann) still wants media to 'penetrate' members of congress...wow, lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gMe4xMpyGM

There's been no shortage of 'Wow' this month. While I slowly watch all
of the stockmarket slowly implode. Another -500 points, I watched online (http://online.wsj.com/public/us) ...wow
That bailout (http://wsyk.opensermo.com/2008/10/06/bailout/) sure worked, eh? It's like giving more crack to a crackhead,
then saying "...hey dude, I helped all I could, now go help yourself."
Just glad I geocached all that gold before I went out and spent it all on beer.
There's gonna' be a lot of broke, hungry, jobless people roaming around before it's over.

[bigshotprof]

Five things you need to know about the McCain/Bin Laden endorsement:

Secret sweetheart deal to land the Rolling Rock franchise in Islamabad.

In 2005, promised Bush he would surrender to the authorities if he couldn’t beat the next President in a game of HORSE.

As whoring-slut-daughters of-a-jackal go, Palin’s kind of cute.

He won’t be able to stand four years of hearing everyday that he is hole-up in Pawky-Stan.

John . . . my dearest John, ever since that night in Istanbul . . . .

[rabidbadger]

prof, you are hilarious. You gotta start your own blog with this stuff. Priceless.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...and probably the biggest "Wow" I've had so far, was running across
this site for palinaspresident (http://palinaspresident.us/) which I was amazed hasn't become
an OpEd news piece in the mainstream media.

This guy is a genius.

I want to read that blog when it comes out shootin'.
She scares normal people, can you imagine what
the terrorists are thinkin'?


[Although the penguin getting shot behind door number one
was rather disturbing... it was fun to click on it repeatedly.]

[bigshotprof]

prof, you are hilarious. You gotta start your own blog with this stuff. Priceless.

I have a blog, but it is longer essayish type stuff--and like the vast majority of bloggers, I never go there to update it. If I do, I will grab the link.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...wow.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/alix2304/political/iraq_mickey_mouse_club.jpg

[rabidbadger]

...and probably the biggest "Wow" I've had so far, was running across
this site for palinaspresident (http://palinaspresident.us/) which

I posted that in the humor thread a while back, but it's updated daily, and haven't been there since. Thanks for the reminder.

[phatlip12]

Another wow, this one from the left. It just goes to show you there are nutty people on both sides.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

[esophagus]

Not to say that what this guy did is acceptable, or that the left doesn't do bad things (they do) but it sounds to me like this person has some genuine issues. He was robbing her and went crazy.

[phatlip12]

Not to say that what this guy did is acceptable, or that the left doesn't do bad things (they do) but it sounds to me like this person has some genuine issues. He was robbing her and went crazy.

And all these other people don't have issues?

lol

[esophagus]

And all these other people don't have issues?

lolI just think there is a difference between "I'm not voting for the a-rab." and a man going batshit, robbing a woman and carving a "B" into her face. One is ignorant, one is... Batshit.

[phatlip12]

Another wow. Sarah Palin doesn't think abortion clinic bombers are terrorists. The most she said about them was it was unacceptable and wouldn't be condoned.

Wow. Is it just me or did any of you guys get the impression that she didn't think abortion clinic bombers were that big of a deal? I don't know, it could be me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qty8kuS7Vo

It's not a terror act if its an attack on civilians? So, the people killed on flight 93 weren't killed by terrorists because they didn't make it to the capital building? Oh, never mind. Their skin was brown and anyone with brown skin is an evil terror loving terrorist.

[masherscf]

It's not an act of terrorism because it targets people who she doesn't approve of. Just to put things into perspective, Sarah Palin loves America so much that she's married to a gentleman who is part of an Alaskan secessionist movement.

[tokenuser]

Just to put things into perspective, Sarah Palin loves America so much that she's married to a gentleman who is part of an Alaskan secessionist movement.To be clear, the GOP has made it clear that they love real America. Thats not the America of people who earn less than $250K, or Amol the IT Consultant, or Chen the Chinese Restaurant owner, or Abdi the Electronics importer.

[masherscf]

To be clear, the GOP has made it clear that they love real America. Thats not the America of people who earn less than $250K, or Amol the IT Consultant, or Chen the Chinese Restaurant owner, or Abdi the Electronics importer.

I blows my mind how exclusive the GOP big tent is. They freely discount the Americaness of whole states while categorizing progressive's as "elitist."

They love America, but downright hate lots of Americans.

[tokenuser]

I blows my mind how exclusive the GOP big tent is. They freely discount the Americaness of whole states while categorizing progressive's as "elitist."

They love America, but downright hate lots of Americans.The irony is, that as you look at the people who attend the McCain and Palin rallies are the same people who would benefit most by the Democrat policies.

[masherscf]

The irony is, that as you look at the people who attend the McCain and Palin rallies are the same people who would benefit most by the Democrat policies.

We had the talk about people who vote against their best interests. It's all metaphorical. Despite being honest middle class working folk, they vote for dishonest privileged white men. They claim they don't want to be taken care of, but that's a lie. They want to be taken care of, but not by a government run by committees. They want a big Daddy Bush or McCain to smile and tell them everything will be fine.

Most of all, I think they fear a successful Obama presidency will spotlight the fraud of the Republican party.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...the problem with Obama running a successful administration,
is ALL the people who will actively work against him, just to prove
their own political perspectives. It's the tale of the tapes, watching
C-SPAN for the past four years, and demonstrated by just how often
our elected representatives fail to do their job. I'm glad the race for
the White House is shaping up in these final days before the election.
I mean, either way it goes, politics as usual will be a thing of the past.
I'm glad that the InterNet is finally having an impact to educate, some
of these MySpace morons, about what is happening in the real world.

[masherscf]

No doubt, there's going to be a Clintoneque cabal by the right wingers. Hopefully, that will be much less disruptive if the 'crats manage a enough of a majority in both houses. Of course, Obama will have only two-years to get results. Because, come 2010, the congress has to run again.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...exactly. I think we ought to change them all out.
Y'know, it's a lot like any race. When you pitt, I see
sometimes you change ALL the tires, for no other reason
than it just saves time, rather than doing it later when
you realize one of them is f***ed and you end up LOSING.

Having the power of a computer, and the vast pool
of human knowledge only 0.08 seconds away, it's
becoming increasingly more obvious to me that
politicians shouldn't have 'careers' in congress.

Think about it this way: If /Ted_Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens) had retired
at 65 like everyone else, he would have left office a hero,
both at war and peace. Now he'll be spending his golden
years from behind bars. If McPalin and Obi-wan weren't
soaking up all the press in this neck'n'neck race, we'd
have proper coverage of the longest running senator
being rightfully BBQ'd a' la OJ Simpson style.

The popular kids from high school, our American politicians
should only make cameo appearances... and we seriously
need a nepotism clause to prevent re-runs: Bush I, Bush II

my retirement.]

People we are IN a recession. Look at all the trees...

[speed]

I think the problem with a nepotism clause is that it could be seen as unconstitutional, and possibly prevent good people from running. If JFK Jr were still alive, there'd be some people calling for him to run, if it were a Hillary vs. McCain race, most of us would be cheering for Hillary, etc.

Although, I do agree that it would have been nice if something could have prevented Bush Jr. from running. I used to think "why couldn't the pretzel have done the job?" but now I realize it's still better than Cheney being pres.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...you're wrong about it being unconstitutional. And I dare you to name
any pair of political figures who were historically good for any government
anywhere, at any time.

[masherscf]

...you're wrong about it being unconstitutional. And I dare you to name
any pair of political figures who were historically good for any government
anywhere, at any time.

Bill and Hillary Clinton

Bob and Elizabeth Dole

Theodore and Franklin D. Roosevelt

John F. and Robert Kennedy

John and John Quincy Adams.

[rabidbadger]

And all these other people don't have issues?

lol

As I thought, t'was a hoax. http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...aaaah but, here's the rub, they had to be good for government.
FDR got us into WWII without the approval of the American public.
I imagine that President Bush thought he could pull that same stunt
to avoid another 'Hitler' of the middle-east. And of course, the Clintons...
well, that could be an argument for entirely different Thread.

The point I'm making is that GOOD is subjective. And I believe in the
canon of the 'tall-puppy syndrome'... i.e, even though you have two
puppies, one being shorter than the other, you still won't know which
one is best to pull the sled until they are fully grown. History can be
re-written infinitely to describe what could have happened. And I offer
Kerry (2004) and Gore (2000) who both would have done a DAMN fine
job as President. Who's to say I'm wrong? Sometimes we find ourselves
in an outcome trap, where either choice offers the same eventuality.
And, it explains why Obama's platform, based on the precept of 'change',
is so moving, so succcessful, and popular. But, at that, it's also a re-run.
At least he isn't Jeb Bush for Bush part III. That's the point I'm making.

Simply, as the United States of America, we should distance ourself from
a government that endorses political 'blood-lines'... and leave it up to history
to decide if that is what our founding father's intended.

[tokenuser]

And I believe in the
canon of the 'tall-puppy syndrome'... Tall poppy syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome) ... tall puppies would be something like a great dane.

Oh yeah - Fiddle and Ragout Castro. At the time of the original insurrection, they were good for the country, but dictatorships are never good in the long run.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

..duly noted. It's a sled-dog reference. Most people make that mistake.

http://www.glaciernationalpark.name/polebridge/sled_dogs_race.jpg

It's okay. You'd have to live in Alaska to get it. People who are breeding
a hybrid animal try to compose a blood-line to make for a better dog to
win the world's most difficult race:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iditarod_Trail_Sled_Dog_Race

I'd like to think, as reasoning citizens of the greatest country on planet Earth
that we've more than one option when it comes to selecting a President. That's
probably why we have the three-party system, write-ins, and vice-president's.
The designers of our country made sure we have a backup plan. We shouldn't forget
that more often than not, there's more than one best possible candidate. It's
when we fail to see this... that the desperation and fear take hold. Then the
ugliness of some campaigns begin to work out of that, as a basis for their selection.

Incidently, you never want to put puppies, with other puppies. You put them
with the lead dog, and they learn quick too. You don't put a puppy with an old dog
that doesn't pull anymore. No. Then they won't pull. It's common sense.

[masherscf]

Simply, as the United States of America, we should distance ourself from
a government that endorses political 'blood-lines'... and leave it up to history
to decide if that is what our founding father's intended.

I agree, that way we don't have heraldry in this country. If we did, I'd be such a nob, you peasants.

However, it did notice you didn't comment on John and John Quincy Adams, the first and greatest father and son presidential pair. The example that disproves your theorem in complete generality.

Old Theorem: Heredity in politics should be avoided.

New Theorem: Heredity in politics should be avoided when the son is a complete douch bag.

[speed]

...aaaah but, here's the rub, they had to be good for government.
FDR got us into WWII without the approval of the American public.
I imagine that President Bush thought he could pull that same stunt
to avoid another 'Hitler' of the middle-east.

And if FDR hadn't gone into WWII after Pear Harbor, you'd be saying right now (assuming the Nazis still lost the war, which they prob would have) that FDR was a moron for refusing to join in WWII to remove a man who was a threat to the nation and as retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attacks.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...what I'm saying is simple. Going against the will of our citizens is a bad thing.
FDR was a visionary, yes. So much so that the press were very, very kind
to him. We sent the war machine into overdrive. We teamed up with the
Russians to kill Hitler, because they had pilots but no airplanes:

http://data.tumblr.com/u1M5blewWcoy1j7aUJfKAQZ8_400.jpg

The allies won. Thanks to our friends. The Manhanttan project was a success.
The gamble worked. The war ended. It wasn't FDR that won the day in WWII.
It was 'Joe-the-door-gunner' and 'Ed-the-sniper' who made it happen.
You can thank the members of my family for that:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alaskalonewolf/page85/

Politics is about diplomacy, it's about having the ability and skill to make
a deal, and demand what's best for the greater good. Some forget that.
The President's role is to represent the collective will of the people.
To act in their best interest. To protect the nation from harm, and lead.
The character of President should be unimpeachable, and above reproach.
In a way, FDR was an utter failure for Pearl Harbor being sacked.
And he was lucky their entire fleet didn't f***ing sail right into port
and set up shop, because they could have done just that. And, by the
way, where the f*** were the "United Nations"... doing absolutely nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

[phatlip12]

As I thought, t'was a hoax. http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html

Thats a wow of a wow!


Wow!

;)

[esophagus]

Deffffffinitely still belongs in this thread if she carved a letter into her own face.

[phatlip12]

Deffffffinitely still belongs in this thread if she carved a letter into her own face.

I know, thats why I said it's a wow of a wow. ;)

[rabidbadger]

This is gonna get legs and kill the McCampaign.

[rabidbadger]

Ohh. I think I just coined a cool new phrase...
see ya on twitter, haha.

[rabidbadger]

McCain campaigner cuts a B into her cheek/McCain campaign compatriot claims cretin is Obama freak/Fake accuse/McCampaign is bruised/Their McCanoe is up a McCreek.

[speed]

AlaskanLoneWolf: It should also be mentioned that congress did formally declare war, thus making his joining WWII legal. As long as congress was giving approval, you can't lay all the blame on FDR. I really don't think you'll find too many people who think the United States should never have joined.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...you're missing the point Speed. FDR was right. And he was lucky.
Other Presidents have tried to pretend to be like him and failed.
To put it bluntly, listen to his own words:

"The structure of world peace cannot
be the work of one man, or one party,
or one nation... it must be a peace
which rests on the cooperative effort
of the whole world."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, March 1, 1945
Address to Congress on the Yalta Conference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

...does this sound familiar? I could swear, watching CNN, I jus' saw
someone running for President almost lift that for their own speech.
...and things were a little different back then, Presidents didn't get
caught having their goo guzzled on national television after lying about
it. They didn't go to war without the FULL support of allies and their own
nation. FDR's approval rating was never an issue, unlike today's politics.
Our former President thought he could pull a Roosevelt single-handedly.
The one before that refused to do anything without a helping hand, (wink, wink)

[rabidbadger]

a little more wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagD-4AH4Vc

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...those were obviously antisocialists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

[rabidbadger]

WoW as in powerful vlog. And about the deepest evil of Palin that has got lost in the shuffle, but says everything about her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdID6YL6PRk

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Spot on. No victim should ever be put through that...
Here's something else to think about:

http://www.disastercenter.com/alaska/crime/35.htm
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Wasilla-Alaska/community-info/

...it's probably why Palin really wanted to fire the head of public safety...
and had made it a part of her platform on her running for Governor of Ak.
There were a lot of things that got better after he got sh*tcanned.
Not to mention, Palin pushed for public safety officers to be held to a
much higher standard. If you really want a "WoW" you should check out
the story about an interior police officer who raped a minor, spring 2007.
He brokered a deal with the DA. Got fired too. He's currently in prison.

http://www.adn.com/
http://www.newsminer.com/

[bigshotprof]

If you really want a "WoW" you should check out
the story about an interior police officer who raped a minor, spring 2007.
He brokered a deal with the DA. Got fired too. He's currently in prison.

http://www.adn.com/
http://www.newsminer.com/

Of course, had he gotten the minor pregnant and Palin and her crew ran the world, the victim would have no choice but to make him Officer Daddy.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Yeah, my point exactly. There's a lot about the whole thing that tends to make me pissed.

[bigshotprof]

...you're wrong about it being unconstitutional. And I dare you to name
any pair of political figures who were historically good for any government
anywhere, at any time.

Catherine the Great and her horse!

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

hahahaa.... nice.

[rabidbadger]

cool wow. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/fullpage/the-palin-effec.php


The friggen creator of redstate aint voting mc'calin!

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

...now that's what I call, Wow.

[masherscf]

Just, wow...

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days

[xibalba]

Just, wow...

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days

and I bet some people fall for it.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Well, I'm not falling for it.

http://media.tumblr.com/u1M5blewWfmnku2n5Wn7A2Smo1_500.jpg

...and I had this really wicked dream last night that Palin didn't carry Alaska.
Yeah, I know what you're gonna' say, don't eat before going to bed... yeah, yeah, yeah... I know.

[phatlip12]

Well, I'm not falling for it.

http://media.tumblr.com/u1M5blewWfmnku2n5Wn7A2Smo1_500.jpg

...and I had this really wicked dream last night that Palin didn't carry Alaska.
Yeah, I know what you're gonna' say, don't eat before going to bed... yeah, yeah, yeah... I know.

I have dreams about Palin sometimes.

They end differently.



Kidding.

[tokenuser]

I have dreams about Palin sometimes.

They end differently.



Kidding. Hey, I saw that video as well :)

[rabidbadger]

this video? Yeah, semi safe for work.

http://defamer.com/5068356/ricky-gervais-and-thandie-newton-add-british-class-to-sarah-palin-porn-film

[phatlip12]

Sorry for the Fox News link. But Wow.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/effigy-palin-hanging-noose-halloween-fun-says-owner/

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Hahahahaaaa.... nice. RB I loved the link. I laughed my ass off. I just
knew they'd throw the line "drill baby drill" into the porno.

Why are people bigots? Really. I don't get it. And never a shortage?
Although, there's a darkside to this, everyone's gonna' go on and on
about the WHAT IF's that, guaranteed a reference to 'hate crimes',
it will drive me nuts after day two, since it's the sensationalized crap
that always, and I mean ALWAYS makes the news in an election year.
C'mon Novemeber, come on and get here, so we can go back to watching cartoons.

[rabidbadger]

And now for something completely different. Super Awesome Wow! (http://statesman.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Daughter+of+slave+votes+for+Obama&expire=&urlID=31979361&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.statesman.com%2Fnews%2Fconten t%2Fnews%2Fstories%2Flocal%2F10%2F27%2F1027jones.h tml&partnerID=525)

[rabidbadger]

This one's for Mr. Wolf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lffB7B8jKE

[radzack]

Got a call abit ago. Republican polling bot etc etc etc

The first and only thing they said:

They were warning me about democrats supporting gruesome types of abortion.

"We can't afford to allow democrats complete control"

WTF

Is this kind of campaigning seriously still going on in 2008?

[masherscf]

"We can't afford to allow democrats complete control"



This is the sound of failure.

[phatlip12]

Got a call abit ago. Republican polling bot etc etc etc

The first and only thing they said:

They were warning me about democrats supporting gruesome types of abortion.

"We can't afford to allow democrats complete control"

WTF

Is this kind of campaigning seriously still going on in 2008?

Today in sociology, my professor was discussing how people use trash talk and derogatory terms when they are worried about defeat.

He gave examples of how we called the Vietcong "slant eyes" during Vietnam and how Donald Rumsfield said "We can't be defeated by a bunch of towel heads on the back of a pickup truck".

The Republicans are doing the same exact thing.

[tokenuser]

Today in sociology, my professor was discussing how people use trash talk and derogatory terms when they are worried about defeat.

He gave examples of how we called the Vietcong "slant eyes" during Vietnam and how Donald Rumsfield said "We can't be defeated by a bunch of towel heads on the back of a pickup truck".

The Republicans are doing the same exact thing.I have a great book on my shelf called "Words that work (It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear)" by Dr Frank Lutz.

This guy is a GOP spin doctor, but he really knows how to say thing to reinforce a message, make a negative sound positive, and a positive sound negative.

Regardless of your political perspective, its a great book for business presentations and writing.

[rabidbadger]

I heard about that book, heard interviews. scary and "truethy" stuff.

[speed]

Unfortunately, for some people, it works. The same tactics worked against John Kerry in 2004, and (ironically) John McCain in 2000. We can even see them happening in this election where people genuinely think Obama is a Muslim terrorist who will socialize everything he can with the assistance of Bill Ayers and will get elected because of voter fraud committed by ACORN.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

This one's for Mr. Wolf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lffB7B8jKE

That was beautiful *sob.... maybe I'm not alone, and about a belief in peace.
My mom would love that video. I would've missed it had it not been for you.
From the bottom of my heart, seriously... Thanks.

[rabidbadger]

awww, dude... :( and :)

[comhcinc]

Today in sociology, my professor was discussing how people use trash talk and derogatory terms when they are worried about defeat.

He gave examples of how we called the Vietcong "slant eyes" during Vietnam and how Donald Rumsfield said "We can't be defeated by a bunch of towel heads on the back of a pickup truck".

The Republicans are doing the same exact thing.

then again we had that whole Toho/hun thing going on in WWII

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/dick/97_4_0000058.jpg

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/21013acs.jpg

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/propaganda/exciting35.jpg

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Wow. I forgot how brutal, and politically twisted comics were back in the day.

[comhcinc]

Wow. I forgot how brutal, and politically twisted comics were back in the day.
hey back then there was a war on and people were asked to make sacrifices to help out the country. never see that happening now.

but really i was just trying to show that i think phatty's teacher maybe a little full of bs.

[rabidbadger]

Wow, I was raised on this shit. But not BY it. Thanks Mom and Dad. You did good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_km9IFzzHo&feature=related

[rabidbadger]

re-wow rewind. Please tell me we have grown out of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7z0T0DaQI&feature=related

[phatlip12]

but really i was just trying to show that i think phatty's teacher maybe a little full of bs.

Why do you think that?

[rabidbadger]

major in the now wow. (http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2008/10/28/news/local_news/doc49068f6ccce49245010961.txt)

[rabidbadger]

Why do you think that?

I'm thinking his point was that racism actually worked in WWII, as a way to band together as a (white) nation, and work together to defeat "the other."

[phatlip12]

I'm thinking his point was that racism actually worked in WWII, as a way to band together as a (white) nation, and work together to defeat "the other."

That's not what he said though. He said it signified FEAR of defeat. Not defeat itself.

[rabidbadger]

happy wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-6DpC-mj8

[rabidbadger]

That's not what he said though. He said it signified FEAR of defeat. Not defeat itself.

Ah, good point, and a significant difference.

[tokenuser]

I'm thinking his point was that racism actually worked in WWII, as a way to band together as a (white) nation, and work together to defeat "the other."Because saying that Obama isn't an Arab or Muslim, but is a good Christian man, isn't polarising?

I am glad McCain defended Obama, but he did it in a way that made it sound as if beign Arab or Muslim was a bad thing, and that the only good man was a Christian man.

[android-skin]

I personally can name several instances when people walked into my office and told me they wouldn't for that n-word.

[rabidbadger]

Because saying that Obama isn't an Arab or Muslim, but is a good Christian man, isn't polarising?

I am glad McCain defended Obama, but he did it in a way that made it sound as if beign Arab or Muslim was a bad thing, and that the only good man was a Christian man.

Yeah, I wasn't defending McCain, but was trying to explain comhicn, but turns out they were talking about two different things.

[rabidbadger]

I personally can name several instances when people walked into my office and told me they wouldn't for that n-word.

There is certainly enough of them to make an impact, but I'm hoping not enough to make a difference.

[bigshotprof]

I am certain that Superman was quoted out of context.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

I personally can name several instances when people walked into my office and told me they wouldn't for that n-word.

Now that's a wow. That's here in the United States? Never ceases to amaze me how little people actually learn from history.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/Tuskegee_airman_poster.jpg/180px-Tuskegee_airman_poster.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen

...and they were damn good too. It was also partially
the inspiration in the white/black coloring for logo parody
that I picked as an 'avatar'. I originally thought at first it
was 'aviator'. It'd be a cool logo for a fighter at any rate.
It's also around the time I first discovered wikipedia.....
(Please note the dramatic lack of bigotry in this encyclopedia)
I found the design as part of my kajukenbo motif which was,
incidently, similar to a training school for attack dogs used by
the military. I like the whole interplay of "Dog-Fighting" sans
Michael Vic:
http://wytammic.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/nfl-star-indicted-over-dog-fighting/

As in...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfighting
versus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight

[comhcinc]

That's not what he said though. He said it signified FEAR of defeat. Not defeat itself.

so who doesn't have a fear of defeat? every football game i ever played in i feared we would lose. ever time i went out in iraq i feared i would get shot.

fear is a very strong driving force, it is apart of almost ever decision we make.

so really i don't see what he is trying to drive at.

[rabidbadger]

the other significant word is "worry" about defeat, not exactly the same as fear, maybe a subset, but not totally the same thing.

And No, I will NEVER denigrate what you went through in Iraq. I respect that with all my heart, and wish you didn't have to face that fear. but you gotta admit. "fearing a deadly gunshot" and fearing a "football loss" are two very different things. Just like "fearing a "other" race, nationality, country" is different. Fear is fear in the brain stem. But we aint animals. We can intellectualize the difference.

Some just choose not to.

[bigshotprof]

I'm thinking his point was that racism actually worked in WWII, as a way to band together as a (white) nation, and work together to defeat "the other."

That's how racism always claims to work--to be the questionable end that justifies the unquestionable means. But all it does is foster more racism. We weren't a "white nation" then any more than we are now. We beat the Germans without having internment camps full of German-Americans; we would have beaten the Japanese without imprisoning American citizens of Japanese descent. It's always about "we'll do better next time" and the wheel keeps turning.

[radzack]

new robot call: "our values are being threatened this tuesday"

[tokenuser]

new robot call: "our values are being threatened this tuesday"I had a *gasp* LIVE CALL today from "The League of Conservation Voters".

It was somewhat of a shock to hear a real voice at the end of the line. Someone I could politely say "I wont waste your time. I agree with everything you say, but am ineligible to vote in the US".

Makes a change from hanging up on a machine telling me that supporting Obama is akin to killing 15000 babies, that everything I own will be taxed, and oil prices will rise.

[rabidbadger]

That's how racism always claims to work--to be the questionable end that justifies the unquestionable means. But all it does is foster more racism. We weren't a "white nation" then any more than we are now. We beat the Germans without having internment camps full of German-Americans; we would have beaten the Japanese without imprisoning American citizens of Japanese descent. It's always about "we'll do better next time" and the wheel keeps turning.
untrue. we did have german internment camps. in my backyard. The secret secret of America. Been there. they have octoberfest there, now, a celebration and a remembrance.

[rabidbadger]

http://www.foitimes.com/internment/small.html

[bigshotprof]

http://www.foitimes.com/internment/small.html

There you go. To quote the dad in Dirty Dancing, "When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong."

[masherscf]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31poll.htm

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

new robot call: "our values are being threatened this tuesday"

Damn robots! Personally I must say that's wierd: historically speaking,
my values are typically only threatened late Friday/early Saturday
and then, mostly at the last bar... but there's da noonish bit on Sunday,
usually in some ugly girl's bedroom when I'm trying to avoid having
to chew off my arm, to avoid the avoidable 'breakfest'...

[mikeseaverman]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31poll.htm

That article has my new favorite photo in it.

Who has two index fingers and an IQ of 15?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/31/us/31poll.600.jpg

This lady!

[AriaStar]

No candy for kids of Obama-supporters:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7768833&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[rabidbadger]

Crazy. She has every right to do that, but makes her and her cause look more childish than the kids.

[xibalba]

I wonder if she will get egged and tped over it.

[AriaStar]

Having the right doesn't make something right. It was still a low thing to do, being mean to kids who didn't answer the way she wanted. They did nothing wrong to have the door closed on them. Yeah, way to get people to be more sympathetic to your candidate, letting down little kids. Even if she'd been an Obama-supporter, I'd still say she was being a bitch.