View Full Version : Palin Says Things That Make Sense
samureye
10-01-2008, 11:36 PM
Watch Video here (http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/sarah-palin-with-katie-couric.html)
Seems she is picking up some steam in the common sense department. And no, I do not think the Magazine thing was an issue.
What's Obama's stance on life? From what research I have done, he has not really made a definitive statement, as McPalin.
ariastar
10-02-2008, 12:18 AM
Palin has yet to make sense. I don't care to waste ten minutes of my time watching her spew more shit.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 12:23 AM
What's Obama's stance on life? From what research I have done, he has not really made a definitive statement...He doesn't respect it. He opposed a bill that says if a kid survives an abortion, they have human rights. He opposed it not once, not twice, not trice, but four times. Oh, and the last time what was his vote? Take a guess.
"Obama opposed Born Alive in committee, but voted “present” — neither “yes” nor “no,” but merely “present” — on the state Senate floor, one of many “present” votes that Hillary Clinton has cited as evidence that Obama lacks leadership skills."
Great fucking leader. More like, great piece of dogshit. Not only that, but he's too pussy to ever make a serious decision on anything, yet he's convinced all the kids that he's the second coming.
Amazing.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 12:40 AM
Great fucking leader. More like, great piece of dogshit. Not only that, but he's too pussy to ever make a serious decision on anything, yet he's convinced all the kids that he's the second coming.
Amazing.
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samureye
10-02-2008, 12:59 AM
He doesn't respect it. He opposed a bill that says if a kid survives an abortion, they have human rights. He opposed it not once, not twice, not trice, but four times. Oh, and the last time what was his vote? Take a guess.
"Obama opposed Born Alive in committee, but voted “present” — neither “yes” nor “no,” but merely “present” — on the state Senate floor, one of many “present” votes that Hillary Clinton has cited as evidence that Obama lacks leadership skills."
Great fucking leader. More like, great piece of dogshit. Not only that, but he's too pussy to ever make a serious decision on anything, yet he's convinced all the kids that he's the second coming.
Amazing.
Obama loses points :-/
That's a big one for me. And having been a Palin hater I can say she handled that interview pretty well.
How things have changed.
And ditto on the language, dude.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:00 AM
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Weird, I didn't see you say that about Aria... OH snap, she isn't flaming Democrats. My bad.
Get over yourself. I called Obama a piece of dogshit because I think he's one. If Obama sends you a PM to complain, let me know. :rolleyes:
esophagus
10-02-2008, 01:08 AM
Yes. Thats the way to talk to moderators.
Anyways, I thought Obama gave an explanation for this? Correct me if I'm wrong. I just remember hearing him say something about how if you give a child that survives an abortion the rights of a 9 month old that comes fully to term it would basically make abortions illegal.
So basically it isn't that he doesn't think we should treat them as people, its that we need to do it in a way that still allows people to have abortions.
Edit: And this isn't me being a "kid that thinks hes the second coming". If theres a hole in what I just said, point it out. I only vaguely remember this.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 01:08 AM
Weird, I didn't see you say that about Aria... OH snap, she isn't flaming Democrats. My bad.
Get over yourself. I called Obama a piece of dogshit because I think he's one. If Obama sends you a PM to complain, let me know. :rolleyes:
Just tone it down. If I read Aria making foul posts, I'll issue the same warning.
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samureye
10-02-2008, 01:10 AM
Yes. Thats the way to talk to moderators.
Anyways, I thought Obama gave an explanation for this? Correct me if I'm wrong. I just remember hearing him say something about how if you give a child that survives an abortion the rights of a 9 month old that comes fully to term it would basically make abortions illegal.
So basically it isn't that he doesn't think we should treat them as people, its that we need to do it in a way that still allows people to have abortions.
Edit: And this isn't me being a "kid that thinks hes the second coming". If theres a hole in what I just said, point it out. I only vaguely remember this.
No abortion. Say no abortions. I don't want spin. This is a no-spin zone.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:15 AM
Just tone it down. If I read Aria making foul posts, I'll issue the same warning.OK, Palin = spews shit = OK, Obama = dogshit = not OK. Could you at least ATTEMPT to remain neutrally bias with your moderation. At least give the impression of it?
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:17 AM
If theres a hole in what I just said, point it out. I only vaguely remember this.No dude, you're all set. Just be like phatty, token and the rest and vote! You know everything you need to about your chosen one! Vote change!
samureye
10-02-2008, 01:21 AM
I guess I am an undecided (pretend I could vote) now that obama seems to not want to commit on this.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 01:26 AM
No dude, you're all set. Just be like phatty, token and the rest and vote! You know everything you need to about your chosen one! Vote change!I don't even live in America. So no, I won't vote. I'm just trying to keep up with discussion.
Your scathing sarcasm tells me that I am wrong. Care to point out why? I know that Obama has his faults.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 01:27 AM
OK, Palin = spews shit = OK, Obama = dogshit = not OK. Could you at least ATTEMPT to remain neutrally bias with your moderation. At least give the impression of it?
Please return to your original post. I thought the language employed was abusive.
I've been deleting messages from and banning Obama/Anti-bush spammers. I don't need you implying that I'm not objective.
Please, say what you want. But, tone down the abusive language.
comhcinc
10-02-2008, 01:27 AM
No dude, you're all set. Just be like phatty, token and the rest and vote! You know everything you need to about your chosen one! Vote change!
hmmm seems like he was open minded and was willing to listen to what you have to say, yet when giving the chance you choose to ridicule.
just like what you claim obama does!
esophagus
10-02-2008, 01:39 AM
Watch Video here (http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/sarah-palin-with-katie-couric.html)
Seems she is picking up some steam in the common sense department. And no, I do not think the Magazine thing was an issue.
What's Obama's stance on life? From what research I have done, he has not really made a definitive statement, as McPalin.On topic, I definitely think this is the best I've seen her. I can't tell if some of it is just her trying to grab some votes (I'm of the opinion that Obama isn't nearly as religious as he is on the campaign trail, perhaps Palin is trying the opposite?) but theres definitely sincerity in at least some of the things she said and I agree with some of it.
If I'm allowed to get answers, and not just be told I'm blindly following Obama, what has Palin's more official stance been on evolution? I hear so much about her believing the bible as being totally literal. Is that just BS?
samureye
10-02-2008, 01:42 AM
On topic, I definitely think this is the best I've seen her. I can't tell if some of it is just her trying to grab some votes (I'm of the opinion that Obama isn't nearly as religious as he is on the campaign trail, perhaps Palin is trying the opposite?) but theres definitely sincerity in at least some of the things she said and I agree with some of it.
If I'm allowed to get answers, and not just be told I'm blindly following Obama, what has Palin's more official stance been on evolution? I hear so much about her believing the bible as being totally literal. Is that just BS?
She sounds like me, believes in whatever but will accept people's choice to believe whatever they want. She didn't say evolution = bad, she said it should be taught among other things, which I totally agree with. I can find it stupid or what, but that seems reasonable.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:43 AM
hmmm seems like he was open minded and was willing to listen to what you have to say, yet when giving the chance you choose to ridicule.
just like what you claim obama does!My point was people vote for Obama and they don't really know him. Then they ask me to do their homework for them. I just find it funny.
Please, say what you want. But, tone down the abusive language.I can't say what I want as long as you're being totally bias.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 01:45 AM
My point was people vote for Obama and they don't really know him. Then they ask me to do their homework for them. I just find it funny.
The difference of course being that I don't have to do my homework. If I lived in the USA, or could vote in this election, I might follow it a little more closely. For now I just go off what I see in the news or on here. I know him as well as I need to. You don't have to "do my homework" I just thought you might like to discuss something on these discussion forums.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 01:47 AM
She sounds like me, believes in whatever but will accept people's choice to believe whatever they want. She didn't say evolution = bad, she said it should be taught among other things, which I totally agree with. I can find it stupid or what, but that seems reasonable.I believe she said evolution should be the only thing taught. "Science is what should be taught in science class." Thats what seemed weird to me, because as I understood it she believes in creationism.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 01:47 AM
I can't say what I want as long as you're being totally bias.
Well, I'm sorry you feel like you have to misquote me in order for you to justify an abusive attitude.
I find your misquote personally offensive.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:50 AM
I find your misquote personally offensive.I find your moderation offensive.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 01:52 AM
I find your moderation offensive.
And, I'm also sorry for that.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:53 AM
And, I'm also sorry for that.I am too.
last word
masherscf
10-02-2008, 01:54 AM
I am too.
last word
Not as sorry as me.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:56 AM
Not as sorry as me.Well, with the fear of this thread suddenly becoming 100 pages long of this, I guess I'll let you have the last word.
I'm sorry too
phatlip12
10-02-2008, 01:57 AM
No dude, you're all set. Just be like phatty, token and the rest and vote! You know everything you need to about your chosen one! Vote change!
Can you please stop bringing my name into every damn post you make?
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 01:59 AM
Can you please stop bringing my name into every damn post you make?Sure thing buddy.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 02:00 AM
There were other names there.
There are also a lot of other posts by him in this thread and elsewhere. With no names at all, even! Crazy.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:00 AM
Well, with the fear of this thread suddenly becoming 100 pages long of this, I guess I'll let you have the last word.
That's very big of you. But, I have to quit myself, my wife wants me to watch CSI:NY.
Tell ya what, I'll dedicate my next Obama-Spam deletion/banning to you.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 02:03 AM
Tell ya what, I'll dedicate my next Obama-Spam deletion/banning to you.Screen shots, or it never happened!
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:08 AM
That's a Promise.
Screen shots, or it never happened!
phatlip12
10-02-2008, 02:08 AM
Sure thing buddy.
So you put my name in your sig. Way to show me! Internet = serious business.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 02:10 AM
Quick with the edit. Nice.
phatlip12
10-02-2008, 02:11 AM
Quick with the edit. Nice.
Yeah, not worth it. I'm sure you share the same frustration.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 02:12 AM
Yeah, not worth it. I'm sure you share the same frustration.For life huh? That's a long time.
Not as sorry as me.
I (not me)
esophagus
10-02-2008, 02:14 AM
Yeah, not worth it. I'm sure you share the same frustration.Yeah. Nope.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:14 AM
I (not me)
I'll have to get skyz to run a grammar check on that.
I know that Obama has his faults.
amazing
could you elaborate ?
expound ?
enumerate ?
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:16 AM
amazing
could you elaborate ?
expound ?
enumerate ?
And, there is the lovely devil herself...
samureye
10-02-2008, 02:17 AM
amazing
could you elaborate ?
expound ?
enumerate ?
He's human. Case closed.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 02:18 AM
He's human. Case closed.
zing!
I'll have to get skyz to run a grammar check on that.
huh ?
it is like this: you are not as sorry as I (am)
He's human. Case closed.
i wasn't asking you
you have not been posting expositions of the inherent wonder of the being of obama
i want eso's answer
(though i'm sure it will not be a realauthentic direct answer in any case)
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:25 AM
huh ?
it is like this: you are not as sorry as I (am)
Thanks buddy. :)
And, there is the lovely devil herself...
how perceptive finally someone 'get's it'
devil as in devil's advocate
and thank you i do look especially fine tonight ;)
phatlip12
10-02-2008, 02:26 AM
Why dont nobody ask my grammar advice ever. That not fair?!
:D
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:27 AM
how perceptive finally someone 'get's it'
devil as in devil's advocate
and thank you i do look especially fine tonight ;)
I was referring to the aphorism, "Speak of the devil and he appears."
I posted your name, and you appeared!
samureye
10-02-2008, 02:29 AM
i wasn't asking you
you have not been posting expositions of the inherent wonder of the being of obama
i want eso's answer
(though i'm sure it will not be a realauthentic direct answer in any case)
But I was talking to you.
Thanks buddy. :)
anytime :)
i had a killer of an english teacher for two years in junior high
she diagrammed sentences with the precision of a euclid
masherscf
10-02-2008, 02:31 AM
anytime :)
i had a killer of an english teacher for two years in jounior high
she diagramed sentences with the precision of a euclid
It's too bad Euclidean geometry is a fraud. But, that's a conversation for another thread.
But I was talking to you.
that's nice ;)
It's too bad Euclidean geometry is a fraud. But, that's a conversation for another thread.
too bad
sounds way more interesting than politics
esophagus
10-02-2008, 02:42 AM
i wasn't asking you
you have not been posting expositions of the inherent wonder of the being of obama
i want eso's answer
(though i'm sure it will not be a realauthentic direct answer in any case)I've been posting about the inherent wonder of Obama? No. I haven't. I've been posting about why I think Obama is a better candidate than McCain. I'll be voting for Jack Layton, but that doesn't mean anything to you. More accurately, I've been trying to figure out why you are so adamant that Obama is so terrible, which you refuse to give reasoning for.
Things I don't like about Obama:
sha sha sha I probably shouldn't say this
But at times I get so scared
When I think about the previous
Relationship we've shared
It was awesome but we lost it
It's not possible for me not to care
and now we're standing in the rain
But nothing's ever gonna change until Obama hears, my dear
The 7 things I hate about Obama
The 7 things I hate about Obama, oh, Obama
Obama's vain, Obama's games, Obama's insecure
Obama loves me, Obama likes her
Obama makes me laugh, Obama makes me cry
I don't know which side to buy
Obamas friends, they're jerks
When Obama acts like them, just know it hurts
I wanna be with the one I know
And the 7th thing I hate the most that Obama does
Obama makes me love Obama
It's awkward and it's silent
As I wait for Obama to say
What I need to hear now
Obama's sincere apology
when you mean it, I'll believe it
If Obama texts it, I'll delete it
Let's be clear
Oh I'm not coming back
You're taking 7 steps here
The 7 things I hate about Obama
Obama's vain, Obama's games, Obama's insecure
Obama loves me, Obama likes her
Obama makes me laugh, Obama makes me cry
I don't know which side to buy
You're friends, they're jerks
When Obama acts like them, just know it hurts
I wanna be with the Obama I know
And the 7th thing I hate the most that Obama does
You make me love you Obama
and Compared to all the great things
That would take too long to write
I probably should mention the 7 that I like
The 7 things I like about Obama
Obama's hair, Obama's eyes, Obama's old Levi's
When we kiss i'm hypnotized
Obama make me laugh, Obama makes me cry
But I guess that's both I'll have to buy
Obama's hand in mine
When we're intertwined, everything's alright
I wanna be, with the one I know
And the 7th thing I like the most that you do Obama ooh
You make me love you Obama sha sha
You do
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/04/30/miley_cyrus_wideweb__470x321,0.jpg
comhcinc
10-02-2008, 03:01 AM
yeah.....i'm lost.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 03:04 AM
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(n) sarcasm, irony, satire, caustic remark (witty language used to convey insults or scorn) "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift
comhcinc
10-02-2008, 03:06 AM
yeah.......i'm lost.
More accurately, I've been trying to figure out why you are so adamant that Obama is so terrible, which you refuse to give reasoning for.
i don't think obama is terrible i never ever said anything even close to that
i never even thought of anything even close to that
i just don't think he has actually done sufficient to think he is wonderful
i think the whole obama thing is an american idol syndrome
there are talkers and there are doers
there are dreamers and there are those who put their shoulder to the wheel
rarely is a talker a doer
and rarely is a dreamer one who gets in the mud and pushes the truck back on the road
obama has resume and rhetoric only imho and people already have him enshrined as MLK JFK ready to build a monument to him to stand in marble with the jefferson and lincoln memorials
for words ? (you win nobel prrizes and pulitzer prizes for words not a critical JOB at a critical time)
does someone end up CEO of GE from speeches ?
i found this quote in a magazine today it is not about obama but it is about celebrity 'worship'
"celebrity worship has about as much to do with the actual celebrity as say binge eating has to do with food'
it isn't that obama is so wonderful imho it is that people want someone to be wonderful
people want a hero so that they can be rescued
it is a cinderella syndrome and obama is the prince charming
it's a fairy tale not a legend
esophagus
10-02-2008, 03:12 AM
This is an election.
They have to talk.
Its all about speeches.
Would you like him to mime his policies?
You see the action when he gets into office.
"IMHO" giving excellent speeches is a good quality.
Not a reason to dislike him.
yeah.......i'm lost.
he means like gulliver's travels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver's_Travels)
You see the action when he gets into office.
right exactly my point
and from his speeches which you find impressive you infer that his actions will be impressive
i doubt that
one does not so easily lead to the other
esophagus
10-02-2008, 03:20 AM
right exactly my point
and from his speeches which you find impressive you infer that his actions will be impressive
i doubt that
one does not so easily lead to the otherThis is what I mean. How do you know John McCain will act? What about Obama makes you infer that? Is what youre really getting at his lack of experience, or are you going to continue to make this argument with no reasoning?
This is what I mean. How do you know John McCain will act? What about Obama makes you infer that? Is what youre really getting at his lack of experience, or are you going to continue to make this argument with no reasoning?
i've given you reasoning more than i should have bothered to
it is pointless
if you don't get it so what
it's a waste of time and energy for me
for the zillionth time raised to the power of a zillion i am not for mccain
it isn't about him vs him it is about the idea that obama is extraordinary just because he says he is
if a girl tells you enough times she is 'hot' is that going to convince you or do you have to think / feel / respond that she is 'hot' for her to be 'hot'
now i'm done
take the last word
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esophagus
10-02-2008, 04:28 AM
i've given you reasoning more than i should have bothered to
it is pointless
if you don't get it so what
it's a waste of time and energy for me
for the zillionth time raised to the power of a zillion i am not for mccain
it isn't about him vs him it is about the idea that obama is extraordinary just because he says he is
if a girl tells you enough times she is 'hot' is that going to convince you or do you have to think / feel / respond that she is 'hot' for her to be 'hot' You're not answering my question. I am not saying you are for McCain. But you are saying that Obama is all talk, and you don't think he will live up to the hype. I'm asking, repeatedly, why you think that. And every time I ask you say "I already told you, I don't think he is extraordinary because he says is" but that isn't answering me, that is saying the same thing over and over again. I know you aren't voting McCain. This post has nothing to do with McCain. No need to even mention McCain in your answer. I certainly haven't mentioned him in my questions, but you still find him relevant.
So I'll ask again.
Why don't you think Obama will live up to what he says?
bigshotprof
10-02-2008, 11:29 AM
I wasn't a big fan of Obama going in either, but when Hillary Clinton made her snippy little remark about Obama's experience being "gave a speech" (Let's not forget how Slick Willie found the national spotlight.), I looked into his life. And in my opinion it has been impressive. He is the mixed race son of a single mother--which despite what anyone says is a load to carry, especially in Chicago. He has competed at the highest levels and come out on top. He got into Harvard on effort not because of his grand daddy's endowments. He made Law Review, the most prestigious honor at the most prestigious Law School in the country. He got a job with a top flight firm a partnership in which would have made him seriously wealthy. Then he gave that up to move back to his home town and invest himself in the significantly less prestigious and far less lucrative enterprise of helping others get a leg up. While it is apparently laughable to the GOP ticket that he did so, he managed several hundred people and several hundred thousand dollars and made life better for a lot of folks who needed the help.
Then he decided to get into state government and then Congress and succeeded at that as well (He did lose a state Senate election to a four term incumbent). John McCain is happy to tell you about all of the earmarks that Obama got, what he fails to tell you is first, that earmarks--as questionable as they are--are the only way a first term Congressman is going to get anything for his district. Most first term Senators wouldn't have gotten them.
I don't know what he will do. It is impossible to. I do know that the road we are going down now is the road to ruin. Clinton was impeached for participation in a "shady" land deal most members of Congress would call your average Tuesday. Meanwhile a sitting Vice President committed treason by participating in the naming of a covert agent in war time and is still revered by his base. These people have to go, and Obama is the standard bearer of their opposition.
Oh and by the way, he is pro-choice and opposes overturning of Roe v. Wade. He favors abstinence education but within the context of broader sex-education. He is like most of middle to left America. Doesn't like abortion but doesn't think it is his place nor the government's, nor Miss Congeniality's to tell a woman what she can or cannot do about it.
I mean you asked.
ariastar
10-02-2008, 04:04 PM
OK, Palin = spews shit = OK, Obama = dogshit = not OK. Could you at least ATTEMPT to remain neutrally bias with your moderation. At least give the impression of it?
You used several swears in a short post. I used one. Also, you used your profanity as a direct attack whereas I said it's something she does.
ariastar
10-02-2008, 04:08 PM
He doesn't respect it. He opposed a bill that says if a kid survives an abortion, they have human rights. He opposed it not once, not twice, not trice, but four times. Oh, and the last time what was his vote? Take a guess.
I'm pro-life to begin with, but I unfortunately also know many, MANY women who say that this is a woman's right's issue and a baby born alive after an attempted abortion should be "euthanized," like a dog, because SHE didn't want it to begin with (who cares if the father wants it), so SHE shouldn't be forced to bear responsibility for a child (heh, how about walking out of the hospital, a Safe Haven to leave a kid).
I'm still voting for Obama. I can't vote based on just one position. I look at the whole picture. Only in a dream world could I find a candidate who believes in the exact same things I do, all of what I believe. So it's going to be give and take. I agree with more of what Obama does than McCain.
samureye
10-02-2008, 04:26 PM
That makes sense, but you say that as though every issue is a unit of 1 when in reality one single issue a person disagrees with Obama on may outweigh 10 issues with McCain. All a personal thing.
masherscf
10-02-2008, 04:44 PM
That makes sense, but you say that as though every issue is a unit of 1 when in reality one single issue a person disagrees with Obama on may outweigh 10 issues with McCain. All a personal thing.
Well, to some in this country, legalized abortion is a litmus issue. Many people won't vote for a candidate who will support legal abortion and there are others who won't vote for one that doesn't. No one likes killing babies. However, some think the issue is a national crisis that requires legal intervention. While others think it should remain between a woman and her doctor.
The trouble is, at some point, a candidate has to choose one-way or the other and it's almost never based on how the candidate truly feels about the issue. Becuase, that issue alone draws the line for the base hard-liners that either candiate can't win without. If McCain even hinted a slighlt Pro-chocie opinion, it would be the end of his campaign. Ditto for Obama on the other side. They're almost prepositioned to have a certain policy.
Although, I feel that both candidates harbor disingenuous feelings on the issue. The stance against abortion is one of the most appealing issues that McCain/Palin support to a moderate voter like me. And, if the vote were determined by that issue alone it would be a close call.
I was honestly on the fence about supporting either Obama or McCain until he nominated Sarah Palin. My disapproval of Palin is not based on her pro-life stance. Other than that issue, I believe Palin is out-of-step in a range of other more serious areas. And, unlike most 'crats, my problems don't stem from the record she doesn't have. It is from the record she does have. Her school-board record alone is enough to disqualify her in my book. Before, she bans that book. As an academic, that's a deal breaker.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 04:46 PM
I'm still voting for Obama..
Someone who loves and wants communism is voting for Obama? I'm fucking shocked!
phatlip12
10-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Someone who loves and wants communism is voting for Obama? I'm fucking shocked!
A trollish post by Crumbles? I'm shocked!
rabidbadger
10-02-2008, 05:31 PM
And no, I do not think the Magazine thing was an issue.
I know that wasn't meant to be a pun, but it gave me a giggle. :D
samureye
10-02-2008, 06:04 PM
I know that wasn't meant to be a pun, but it gave me a giggle. :D
Hahah, now that you mention it, it is kinda funny haha.
tokenuser
10-02-2008, 08:25 PM
I don't even live in America. So no, I won't vote. I'm just trying to keep up with discussion.I might live in the USA, but I can't vote either. Grumbles knows that.
I am actually looking forward to the debate tonight. I saw some footage of Palin's gubernatorial debates ... and provided you didn't actually want to hear an answer, she gave a good speech. For someone without a legal background, she says nothing well. Maybe she is a Seinfeld fan?
ariastar
10-02-2008, 08:29 PM
That makes sense, but you say that as though every issue is a unit of 1 when in reality one single issue a person disagrees with Obama on may outweigh 10 issues with McCain. All a personal thing.
No, each doesn't have equal weight, but I can not give any one issue a higher value than the others combines. That defeats the point of looking at the whole picture is one issue can eclipse all else. I think aborting babies just because the woman doesn't want it is evil, but I also think it's evil to keep marching through other countries on some crazy power trip. I think it's evil to say gays shouldn't have equal rights. I think it's outright disgusting that middle-class taxpayers are repeatedly raped every time politicians want raises for themselves without care that it's taking food from the table of families already barely making it. While it's evil to kill babies, I'm also concerned, if not somewhat more so, for the people already alive who are busting their asses trying to get by only to have more and more taken away.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 08:44 PM
Palin has yet to make sense. I don't care to waste ten minutes of my time watching her spew more shit.Its close minded statements like this that make people claim people blindly follow Obama.
ariastar
10-02-2008, 09:00 PM
Its close minded statements like this that make people claim people blindly follow Obama.
She's said so many dumb things that make no sense that I don't think she has enough time to redeem herself. I only give someone so many chances before I write them off as a waste. Would you give Bush more time after all he's done, more time to show that maybe he's a good guy after all? No, because enough is enough. I'll watch the debate tonight if I can find it streaming online, but otherwise I'm tired of her.
tokenuser
10-02-2008, 09:05 PM
Friends are having a "Sloppy Joe's and Baked Alaska VP Debate Party" tonight ... pity I am 3 timezones away.
esophagus
10-02-2008, 09:07 PM
She's said so many dumb things that make no sense that I don't think she has enough time to redeem herself. I only give someone so many chances before I write them off as a waste. Would you give Bush more time after all he's done, more time to show that maybe he's a good guy after all? No, because enough is enough. I'll watch the debate tonight if I can find it streaming online, but otherwise I'm tired of her.The thread isn't titled "Palins so fucking awesome" its "Palin says something that makes sense" and she did. Writing her off as incapable of intelligence because you disagree with what she says is getting no one anywhere. You're more than welcome to not watch the video. No one told you to.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-02-2008, 09:43 PM
A trollish post by Crumbles? I'm shocked!So, you call out what you think is a trollish post by doing a trollish post yourself. Good job! You win!
rabidbadger
10-02-2008, 09:45 PM
I consider the famous ones funny/sad. But this one, and the bush doctrine one are serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsTLQ612F-A&eurl=http://thecollective.tumblr.com/post/52709250/the-palin-trainwreck
tokenuser
10-02-2008, 10:14 PM
So, you call out what you think is a trollish post by doing a trollish post yourself. Good job! You win!Will you two go get a room? The tension between the two of you is unbearable.
comhcinc
10-03-2008, 12:07 AM
Will you two go get a room? The tension between the two of you is unbearable.
hehehe he is talking about butt sex.
njshadow
10-03-2008, 02:36 AM
Please return to your original post. I thought the language employed was abusive.
I've been deleting messages from and banning Obama/Anti-bush spammers. I don't need you implying that I'm not objective.
Please, say what you want. But, tone down the abusive language.
Oh come on, with the stuff that's often said on these boards this is barely scratching the surface......gimme a break........
As for me, I'm undecided but leaning more towards McCain/Palin.
I'd say I'm:
80% McCain/Palin
20% Obama/Biden
esophagus
10-03-2008, 02:38 AM
I'm glad that wasn't in regular sized letters. I don't know what I would have done. :rolleyes:
ryudo
10-03-2008, 05:26 AM
Nj is old enough to vote?
Seriously curious.
esophagus
10-03-2008, 05:35 AM
I think this is his first time. But I might be wrong. I feel like this came up before.
rabidbadger
10-03-2008, 02:04 PM
http://weblog.sinteur.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg
kirk89
10-03-2008, 02:36 PM
I tend to think Biden doesn't deserve any credit for what he says. Sure last night he had great responses when answering questions about Bosnia and Darfur and they may have been better answers then what Palin gave but even Obama not to long ago didn't know how to handle those questions.
Recently Biden said. "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glrnb_G34E4
He obviously has never open a history book.
And Palin did a great job in the VP debate last night, exceeded what a lot of people thought she would do. They both have their problems but you can't point at Palin and says shes a terrible at what she does when you got someone whos got a history of plagiarizing speeches and clueless answers. how many times has Biden been caught plagiarizing his speeches?
masherscf
10-03-2008, 03:17 PM
He obviously has never open a history book.
This blanket statement is probably patently false. However, the quality of the actual text in question might be up to debate.
Since you bring up historical context. This current crisis and the depression are similar, but there is one major difference. During the depression, there was a real sense that capitalism had failed. Many pundits at the time thought the nation was a few months shy of a full blown communist revolt. It was important for FDR to set the record straight about what lead to the Stock Market crash and reinforce their faith in the American system. This fear of communism helped create the atmosphere for FDR to create the NRA, Social Security and a lot of big Government things conservatives hate as a way to sooth people's fears about an uncertain future.
Things are different today, people are pissed. But, people haven't really lost faith in the capitalist system. And, there's no talk about creating a complete set of new entitlements around the crisis.
rabidbadger
10-03-2008, 03:19 PM
I tend to think Biden doesn't deserve any credit for what he says. Sure last night he had great responses when answering questions about Bosnia and Darfur and they may have been better answers then what Palin gave but even Obama not to long ago didn't know how to handle those questions.
Recently Biden said. "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glrnb_G34E4
Oh, come on that's just a little brain fart, not an example of his overall knowledge of the issues.
He obviously has never open a history book
And someone has never open a grammar book. ;)
but still, you just said "he had great responses when answering questions about Bosnia and Darfur" which means he thoroughly understands history and geopolitical issues.
And Palin did a great job in the VP debate last night, exceeded what a lot of people thought she would do. They both have their problems but you can't point at Palin and says shes a terrible at what she does ...
” Uh, nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be-all, end-all of just too many people and too many parts of our planet so those dangerous regimes again cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PIzfXrQk-Y&eurl=http://www.crooksandliars.com/
how many times has Biden been caught plagiarizing his speeches?
Just once. As a kid. 40 years ago.
wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden)
He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968,[10] where by his own description he again underperformed and ranked 76th of 85 students.[11][13] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[13] (The issue came up in 1987 during Biden's presidential campaign, and later that year the Delaware Supreme Court's Board of Professional Responsibility cleared Biden of the plagiarism charges regarding his standing as a lawyer, saying Biden had "not violated any rules".)[14] Biden was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[10]
kirk89
10-03-2008, 06:20 PM
This blanket statement is probably patently false. However, the quality of the actual text in question might be up to debate.
Since you bring up historical context. This current crisis and the depression are similar, but there is one major difference. During the depression, there was a real sense that capitalism had failed. Many pundits at the time thought the nation was a few months shy of a full blown communist revolt. It was important for FDR to set the record straight about what lead to the Stock Market crash and reinforce their faith in the American system. This fear of communism helped create the atmosphere for FDR to create the NRA, Social Security and a lot of big Government things conservatives hate as a way to sooth people's fears about an uncertain future.
Things are different today, people are pissed. But, people haven't really lost faith in the capitalist system. And, there's no talk about creating a complete set of new entitlements around the crisis.
His quote is wrong in FDR wasn't even president and that TVs haven't even invented yet. Brain fart or not that's pretty stupid.
Just once. As a kid. 40 years ago.
I didn't know he did it to get through college, law school at that. But that would explain why he has done it when he was running for president back in 1988. Where he did a word-for-word speech that British Labor leader Neil Kinnock gave. Once he was caught he dropped out of the race.
rabidbadger
10-03-2008, 06:44 PM
...I didn't know he did it to get through college, law school at that. But that would explain why he has done it when he was running for president back in 1988. Where he did a word-for-word speech that British Labor leader Neil Kinnock gave. Once he was caught he dropped out of the race.
Oops. My bad, forgot about that.
masherscf
10-03-2008, 10:49 PM
Oops. My bad, forgot about that.
Good artists borrow, great artists steal. Show me someone who doesn't occasionally plagiarize and I'll show you someone who doesn't write his or her own speeches. The issue of plagiarism is a red herring and is utterly irrelevant. None of these guys and girls are gifted writers and none of them write their own words anyway.
His quote is wrong in FDR wasn't even president and that TVs haven't even invented yet. Brain fart or not that's pretty stupid.
I guess I think invoking FDR is a bit of a stretch anyway. I would have stopped listening to the comment after that.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 12:46 AM
eh, it's one thing to be inspired by others, but at least re-interpret it. Add your own thoughts...
masherscf
10-04-2008, 12:54 AM
eh, it's one thing to be inspired by others, but at least re-interpret it. Add your own thoughts...
Well, you know I believe in unique vision.
masherscf
10-04-2008, 01:08 AM
I know I'll probably lose a lot of credit with the Obama crowd for saying so, and I'll preface this by saying I didn't actually watch the debate. What I know is entirely through second hand sound bites and pundit commentary.
But, I think the the VP debate was an unqualified success for Palin.
Why? After being savaged by the media and light night comics for two weeks, expectations for her performance were quite low. She only needed to stand-up and not look like a gibbering idiot. Honestly, she stood toe-to-toe with a man who, regardless of your opinion of his politics, does have the credentials to be president. She stood toe-to-toe and was not knocked out. Like Balboa in the first Rocky, she didn't need to win the fight with her chosen Apollo. So, regardless of your opinion about who technically won or lost. Palin was a success.
IMHO, of course.
phatlip12
10-04-2008, 01:16 AM
I know I'll probably lose a lot of credit with the Obama crowd for saying so, and I'll preface this by saying I didn't actually watch the debate. What I know is entirely through second hand sound bites and pundit commentary.
But, I think the the VP debate was an unqualified success for Palin.
Why? After being savaged by the media and light night comics for two weeks, expectations for her performance were quite low. She only needed to stand-up and not look like a gibbering idiot. Honestly, she stood toe-to-toe with a man who, regardless of your opinion of his politics, does have the credentials to be president. She stood toe-to-toe and was not knocked out. Like Balboa in the first Rocky, she didn't need to win the fight with her chosen Apollo. So, regardless of your opinion about who technically won or lost. Palin was a success.
IMHO, of course.
Someone brought this up at work today and I used the following analogy:
"Who cares? She didn't do well but didn't completely fail. Thats like barely graduating or being the smartest idiot at a dumbass convention".
masherscf
10-04-2008, 01:27 AM
Someone brought this up at work today and I used the following analogy:
"Who cares? She didn't do well but didn't completely fail. Thats like barely graduating or being the smartest idiot at a dumbass convention".
I think you're just being mean. This was not the dumbass convention, this was a debate with Joe Biden, a experienced political personality. This was the major league. Maybe she didn't hit a homerun, but she wasn't struck out either. Maybe she barely graduated, but she did graduate. The debate was far from an Epic Fail.
It's not like I'm going to vote for her. I oppose nearly everything she believes. But, I think you're underestimating her.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 01:30 AM
Someone brought this up at work today and I used the following analogy:
"Who cares? She didn't do well but didn't completely fail. Thats like barely graduating or being the smartest idiot at a dumbass convention".
Is there a "digg" button here, and can I click it 4000 times? :p
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 01:37 AM
Someone brought this up at work today and I used the following analogy:
"Who cares? She didn't do well but didn't completely fail. Thats like barely graduating or being the smartest idiot at a dumbass convention".
Is there a "digg" button here, and can I click it 4000 times? :p
Masher, that's called "failing upwards" or "living down to expectations" and "lowering the bar" ... hardly a confidence generator.
esophagus
10-04-2008, 01:39 AM
I know I'll probably lose a lot of credit with the Obama crowd for saying so, and I'll preface this by saying I didn't actually watch the debate. What I know is entirely through second hand sound bites and pundit commentary.
But, I think the the VP debate was an unqualified success for Palin.
Why? After being savaged by the media and light night comics for two weeks, expectations for her performance were quite low. She only needed to stand-up and not look like a gibbering idiot. Honestly, she stood toe-to-toe with a man who, regardless of your opinion of his politics, does have the credentials to be president. She stood toe-to-toe and was not knocked out. Like Balboa in the first Rocky, she didn't need to win the fight with her chosen Apollo. So, regardless of your opinion about who technically won or lost. Palin was a success.
IMHO, of course.Agreed. You aren't going to think she won the debate unless you agree with her policies, but she held her own.
masherscf
10-04-2008, 01:41 AM
Is there a "digg" button here, and can I click it 4000 times? :p
Masher, that's called "failing upwards" or "living down to expectations" and "lowering the bar" ... hardly a confidence generator.
Maybe so, but there are lots of people who will accept low expectations of their leaders. Just look who has been president for the last four years.
esophagus
10-04-2008, 01:46 AM
Someone brought this up at work today and I used the following analogy:
"Who cares? She didn't do well but didn't completely fail. Thats like barely graduating or being the smartest idiot at a dumbass convention".
Joe Biden is good at what he does. He's incredibly experienced, and should have had it in him to wipe the floor with him. Instead, he brought it to a draw. Network coverage last night was split. NBC thought Palin won, Fox said Biden won, CNN called it a tie. Thats far from winning the dumbass convention.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 01:49 AM
Just, I expect more from you. If you talking about "general populace" then yeah, she did better than expected, but if talkin for you..."unqualified success" was qualified.
masherscf
10-04-2008, 01:52 AM
Just, I expect more from you. If you talking about "general populace" then yeah, she did better than expected, but if talkin for you..."unqualified success" was qualified.
I think she can be proud of how she did, that's all.
But, as far as I'm concerned, Jesus himself could have walked on stage and held up her arm and I wouldn't vote for her.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 01:52 AM
Folks. The FIRST thing she said is, basically, "I'm not gonna actually answer the questions you ask, I'm gonna read talking points offa these cue cards"
So what if half the country are idiots and fell for it. Doesn't mean she should be VP.
She replied to serious questions with Beauty Pageant answers.
masherscf
10-04-2008, 01:54 AM
So what if half the country are idiots and fell for it. Doesn't mean she should be VP.
This is when I refer you to my Tweet this morning.
http://twitter.com/KentGoldings/statuses/945111937
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 01:57 AM
ah. saw that and replied. What did others say?
masherscf
10-04-2008, 01:59 AM
ah. saw that and replied. What did others say?
Not much, early morning tweets rarely garner responses.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 02:26 AM
Not much, early morning tweets rarely garner responses.
not on our coast, anyway.
phatlip12
10-04-2008, 02:36 AM
I think you're just being mean. This was not the dumbass convention, this was a debate with Joe Biden, a experienced political personality. This was the major league. Maybe she didn't hit a homerun, but she wasn't struck out either. Maybe she barely graduated, but she did graduate. The debate was far from an Epic Fail.
It's not like I'm going to vote for her. I oppose nearly everything she believes. But, I think you're underestimating her.
The only thing Sarah Palin had to do in order to be viewed as a success in this debate is NOT sound like an idiot. Thats it. She looked like one in the Katie Couric interview and had to reverse that image. I don't consider that sucess. Just getting by isn't something to be very proud of in my opinion.
Thats just me though, I'm the type of guy that re-takes an entire class if I get anything lower than a solid C (doing so now actually).
phatlip12
10-04-2008, 02:40 AM
Folks. The FIRST thing she said is, basically, "I'm not gonna actually answer the questions you ask, I'm gonna read talking points offa these cue cards"
So what if half the country are idiots and fell for it. Doesn't mean she should be VP.
She replied to serious questions with Beauty Pageant answers.
She avoided too many questions and was way to snotty in my opinion. I wasn't impressed. She's running for vice president. This isn't little league baseball where you get a trophy for participation and trying hard. I just hold higher expectations.
masherscf
10-04-2008, 02:48 AM
Thats just me though, I'm the type of guy that re-takes an entire class if I get anything lower than a solid C (doing so now actually).
Don't look at me. My last C was in 1987.
guytheninja
10-04-2008, 03:45 AM
She avoided too many questions and was way to snotty in my opinion. I wasn't impressed. She's running for vice president. This isn't little league baseball where you get a trophy for participation and trying hard. I just hold higher expectations.
HA, you are wrong sir!
Winning the position of Vice President in the United States IS equivalent to winning a little league baseball game. In terms of power and prestige of course. :D
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 04:36 AM
HA, you are wrong sir!
Winning the position of Vice President in the United States IS equivalent to winning a little league baseball game. In terms of power and prestige of course. :D
Tell that to "puppetmaster" "Im not exectutive, cause I'm also Legistlative" cheyney". THAT is where BIDEN won that debat in my eyes.
phatlip12
10-04-2008, 04:40 AM
Tell that to "puppetmaster" "Im not exectutive, cause I'm also Legistlative" cheyney". THAT is where BIDEN won that debat in my eyes.
I work in Delaware and was talking to a guy at work today that sold Biden a refrigerator at his old job. I also know a few other people that know him. I hear he's a nice guy.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 04:56 AM
the dude abides.
guytheninja
10-04-2008, 05:33 AM
Tell that to "puppetmaster" "Im not exectutive, cause I'm also Legistlative" cheyney". THAT is where BIDEN won that debat in my eyes.
John Nance Garner, who served as vice president from 1933 to 1941 under President Franklin D. Roosevelt, famously remarked that the Vice Presidency wasn't "worth a pitcher of warm piss,"[9] although reporters allegedly changed the last word to "spit" for print.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States
[9] -- http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_vice-presidency_isn-t_worth_a_pitcher_of_warm/196103.html
Cold hard truth badger, cold hard truth :D.
rabidbadger
10-04-2008, 06:15 AM
I love you so much right now.
sk-one
10-04-2008, 09:37 AM
He doesn't respect it. He opposed a bill that says if a kid survives an abortion, they have human rights. He opposed it not once, not twice, not trice, but four times. Oh, and the last time what was his vote? Take a guess.
"Obama opposed Born Alive in committee, but voted “present” — neither “yes” nor “no,” but merely “present” — on the state Senate floor, one of many “present” votes that Hillary Clinton has cited as evidence that Obama lacks leadership skills."
Great fucking leader. More like, great piece of dogshit. Not only that, but he's too pussy to ever make a serious decision on anything, yet he's convinced all the kids that he's the second coming.
Amazing.
I thought he said it "was above his pay scale" or something as stupid.
secret-steve-crumbles
10-04-2008, 01:22 PM
I thought he said it "was above his pay scale" or something as stupid.That was his excuse to not have to make yet another decision.
bigshotprof
10-04-2008, 01:46 PM
That was his excuse to not have to make yet another decision.
Can you give me the link to the RNC? I'm way behind on the official talking points.
comhcinc
10-04-2008, 03:53 PM
I know I'll probably lose a lot of credit with the Obama crowd for saying so, and I'll preface this by saying I didn't actually watch the debate. What I know is entirely through second hand sound bites and pundit commentary.
But, I think the the VP debate was an unqualified success for Palin.
Why? After being savaged by the media and light night comics for two weeks, expectations for her performance were quite low. She only needed to stand-up and not look like a gibbering idiot. Honestly, she stood toe-to-toe with a man who, regardless of your opinion of his politics, does have the credentials to be president. She stood toe-to-toe and was not knocked out. Like Balboa in the first Rocky, she didn't need to win the fight with her chosen Apollo. So, regardless of your opinion about who technically won or lost. Palin was a success.
IMHO, of course.
that is it in a nut shell. she didn't have to win, just not lose.
she wasn't gonna to convince anybody to vote for her. all she had to do was make her base feel good about her.
she did that.
esophagus
10-04-2008, 08:34 PM
that is it in a nut shell. she didn't have to win, just not lose.
she wasn't gonna to convince anybody to vote for her. all she had to do was make her base feel good about her.
she did that.Yeah, and thats about all Biden did too. So I guess they both "graduated from dumb ass school'.
esophagus
10-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Hustler Video "Nailin' Paylin" in Pre-Production (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/nailin-paylin-hustlers-pa_n_131581.html)
masherscf
10-05-2008, 10:59 PM
Hustler Video "Nailin' Paylin" in Pre-Production (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/nailin-paylin-hustlers-pa_n_131581.html)
It's nice to see that we've kept this discussion on a high level.
esophagus
10-05-2008, 11:14 PM
It's nice to see that we've kept this discussion on a high level.
I have to say, this is quite funny. Theres a link to an excerpt from the script in the above link. Its awesome. The opening scene:(Open on the PALIN residence, Wasilla, Alaska. Evening. Governor SARAH PALIN is sitting on the couch, reading "all of the magazines." She is wearing a satin negligee and bunny slippers. Her luxurious brown hair is in a bun. Her glasses rest just so on the bridge of her nose. TODD is out of town on business. TRIGG is peacefully asleep upstairs. There is a firm knock at the door. PALIN puts down her reading material and goes to answer it.)
...
JOE: That was amazing. What now?
PALIN: I feel so alive! Let's grab my gay friend and go shoot wolves from the safety of a helicopter.
rabidbadger
10-05-2008, 11:17 PM
We will when she does. Pullin that non-issue ayers thing out again is a sign of desperation, racist, negative, scare tactic.
masherscf
10-06-2008, 01:55 AM
We will when she does. Pullin that non-issue ayers thing out again is a sign of desperation, racist, negative, scare tactic.
They've been trying to paint Obama as a terrorist for Months. It's pretty despicable. It's also completely ludicrous. But, it's one of the few shots they have. It's a pity the McCain as abandoned the straight talk for the usual scary bullshit. It's also a pity that negative comments like this are rather effective.
esophagus
10-06-2008, 02:00 AM
I can't be the only one who finds this awesome.
PALIN: God almighty! You are hung like a moose. Now I have to eat ya!
JOE: I'm bigger than a moose. Do you have any contraceptives?
PALIN: It's okay. I already took a morning-after pill.
JOE: Um, are you sure it works that way?
PALIN: Are you asking me if I know what a morning-after pill is? Because I totally do! I'll get back to ya with specifics.
rabidbadger
10-06-2008, 03:12 AM
oops. wrong thread.
kirk89
10-06-2008, 10:05 PM
I can't be the only one who finds this awesome.
Yeah, ur the only one.
alaskalonewolf
12-23-2008, 10:53 PM
Aren't you guys glad that everything worked out, and now everyone gets to be happy?