Republicans aren't actually conservative

[gta_bmx]

They pay lip service to conservatism so people will vote for them, but they aren't actually conservative. They don't really care about conserving natural resources for future generations, they get future generations into massive debt by spending too much and giving tax breaks, they prolong pointless wars like Vietnam/Iraq, etc.. They aren't conservative. Democrats are more conservative than the Repubs. About the only issue that the Republicans are conservative about is being pro-life. If the Democrats were pro-life, then the Democrats would win almost every election forever.

Too bad that people don't bother to analyze things very closely. If they did, then the Republican party wouldn't have been allowed to morph into this anti-Conservative, pro-establishment, "get rich now; too hell with the future" type of political party.

[comhcinc]

some of them are conservative. that is why the bail out failed the first time around.

[esophagus]

That sounds like an awfully blanket statement.

[gta_bmx]

Yeah I suppose it is too much of blanket statement, but it just seems like they aren't actually conservative. I am somewhat of a Libertarian in my political leanings, so people would probably assume I'd side with the Republicans more than the Dems, but the Repubs just don't seem to be walking the walk, in terms of being conservative.

[ariastar]

When it comes to spending, Republicans are awfully liberal. I think that's the point being made here, and it's absolutely correct.

[straylightrise]

They pay lip service to conservatism so people will vote for them, but they aren't actually conservative. They don't really care about conserving natural resources for future generations, they get future generations into massive debt by spending too much and giving tax breaks, they prolong pointless wars like Vietnam/Iraq, etc.. They aren't conservative. Democrats are more conservative than the Repubs. About the only issue that the Republicans are conservative about is being pro-life. If the Democrats were pro-life, then the Democrats would win almost every election forever.

Too bad that people don't bother to analyze things very closely. If they did, then the Republican party wouldn't have been allowed to morph into this anti-Conservative, pro-establishment, "get rich now; too hell with the future" type of political party.

Wow - welcome nooblet to the politics forums.

a) pay lip service - all politicians do this in order to get elected. Republicans and Democrats alike pay 'lip service' to their constituents and especially to the constituents that are most likely to turn out and vote (these tend to be the extremes)
b) Environmentalism has long since been a liberal strongpoint. Also a blanket statement with little evidence.
c) This debt could have easily been prevented by Democrats in the Senate (They have controlled at least 48 seats since 2000)
d) Tax breaks are the foundation of a supply-side economic model that returns wealth back to the taxpayer so they can reinvest into the economy
e) Vietnam was started by the Kennedy and Johnson administrations and ended by the Nixon administration.
f) I have no clue how you think Democrats are more conservative. Maybe in your insane world where conservatism = liberalism
g) Yes because conservatism = pro-life? Can I have what you're smoking?

Also many posters in this thread seem to think that all Republicans are conservatives when this is NOT the case. The budget was passed willingly by both the Democrats and the Republicans many of which are very moderate. Conservatives are likely to vote for Republicans because Republicans are the closest party ideologically to conservative principles. Democrats are center-left and offer very little to conservatives.

Clearly you are a misinformed anti-Republican poster. Please do some research on the points (and US history) you are trying to make before posting in this forum. We welcome informed opinion here not illogical rants.

Wikipedia article on conservatism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States

The Conscience of a Conservative:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/features/PresidentsEssay/PresEssay2004.pdf

@ariastar - again the current Administration worked to increase spending much of which came from the War on Terror. The Congress which has been essentially split since 2000 and lacked consensus to stop spending because of the pressure from the White House. Many Republicans have fought to stop spending but when the majority of the Congress is for passing pork-barrel legislation in the name of national security or Medicare their voices and votes will merely be statistics. Republican spending is a result of Bush's RIDICULOUS policies. Also there are more points being made here but you aren't paying attention to them.

[bigshotprof]

Wow - welcome nooblet to the politics forums.


c) This debt could have easily been prevented by Democrats in the Senate (They have controlled at least 48 seats since 2000)
d) Tax breaks are the foundation of a supply-side economic model that returns wealth back to the taxpayer so they can reinvest into the economy
e) Vietnam was started by the Kennedy and Johnson administrations and ended by the Nixon administration.

We welcome informed opinion here not illogical rants.



c. I am confused by this. How could a party without a majority in either house and a hostile executive branch have "easily" prevented the Bush agenda?
d. You need to add the phrase "in theory" between "that" and "returns." In practice, it has been more trickle on than trickle down. Since the Reagan era, the real income for the three middle quintiles of the American population (between 20% and 80%) has been effectively flat. Since 1977 (or so) there has been a 3% increase in household income, but in around 80% of households that income is being earned by two wage earners instead of one. Also any real decreases in the marginal tax rate from the feds has been more than overwashed by increases in federal fees and increases in state and local taxes because of unfunded federal mandates (by BOTH parties--don't get me started on Clinton).
e. Vietnam was started by a corrupt seated government and a lunatic Communist insurgent. The insinuation of "advisors" began during the Eisenhower years, but Kennedy and Johnson did ramp it up. However, it was hardly a Democratic war. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution received only two nay votes.

And finally, remove the illogical rants from these fora and all we have left is "hot girls and guys." I say "Viva Insanity!"