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njshadow
10-03-2008, 03:47 AM
I was 100% Pro-McCain for the longest time but my vote keeps going back and forth lately between McCain and Obama. It's so freakin' annoying. I'm still pretty sure that I'm going to be voting for McCain but I've been having doubts on both sides of the fence. I totally agree with McCain's policy but I get all excited with Obama in the sense that's he's a young, fresh face which is rare these days in Washington. In the end I'm almost definitely gonna go with McCain but I guess I can be considered an undecided voter until the deciding day..........
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 03:49 AM
I was 100% Pro-McCain for the longest time but my vote keeps going back and forth lately between McCain and Obama. It's so freakin' annoying. I'm still pretty sure that I'm going to be voting for McCain but I've been having doubts on both sides of the fence. I totally agree with McCain's policy but I get all excited with Obama in the sense that's he's a young, fresh face which is rare these days in Washington. In the end I'm almost definitely gonna go with McCain but I guess I can be considered an undecided voter until the deciding day..........
Whats causing the doubt in McCain?
Ps. You don't sound very undecided to me. ;)
esophagus
10-03-2008, 03:50 AM
Being young and fresh is nowhere near as relevant as having policies you agree with. Vote McCain.
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 03:53 AM
Being young and fresh is nowhere near as relevant as having policies you agree with. Vote McCain.
Agreed. Thats not a very good reason to vote for a person. It's a nice starting point and is great to spark your interest but shouldn't be the deciding factor.
But still, vote Obama regardless. It's okay. ;)
haha
njshadow
10-03-2008, 03:55 AM
@ Phatlip - Ok, maybe I'm not "undecided" per se. I'm not necessarily doubting McCain, just getting excitement via Obama. LOL, your gonna have me turn this into a Pro-McCain thread cause' now I'll say that that's it's an epidemic with people voting for Obama just cause' they're excited about him.
@Esophagus - You're absolutely right. I guess I'm goin' with McCain.
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 03:59 AM
@ Phatlip - Ok, maybe I'm not "undecided" per se. I'm not necessarily doubting McCain, just getting excitement via Obama. LOL, your gonna have me turn this into a Pro-McCain thread cause' now I'll say that that's it's an epidemic with people voting for Obama just cause' they're excited about him.
@Esophagus - You're absolutely right. I guess I'm goin' with McCain.
Okay, well what do you like about McCain then? ;)
njshadow
10-03-2008, 04:01 AM
Wow, it looks like I'm gonna go against my initial post. Screw that, I'm not voting for Obama. After hearing about his stance on human life, that's enough. Now, obviously that's not the ONLY issue but it's pretty darn important in my book. McCain/Palin 08'
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 04:04 AM
Wow, it looks like I'm gonna go against my initial post. Screw that, I'm not voting for Obama. After hearing about his stance on human life, that's enough. Now, obviously that's not the ONLY issue but it's pretty darn important in my book. McCain/Palin 08'
Ah, so abortion is your number one concern in this election?
Thats not intended to be a trick question. I'm sincerely interested.
esophagus
10-03-2008, 04:05 AM
I hate calling it the "issue of human life" just call it "abortion". That isn't to say that a fetus isn't a human, but its just saying that being pro-choice doesn't make you pro-killing everything you'd like.
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 04:07 AM
I hate calling it the "issue of human life" just call it "abortion". That isn't to say that a fetus isn't a human, but its just saying that being pro-choice doesn't make you pro-killing everything you'd like.
True, the "issue of human life" would also include capital punishment by definition.
njshadow
10-03-2008, 04:09 AM
Ah, so abortion is your number one concern in this election?
Thats not intended to be a trick question. I'm sincerely interested.
Not necessarily, but that's what sets them apart. It seems to me like McCain and Obama are each wild cards. In the end you really don't know what either one would do if/when they're elected, so abortion and other issues like that, particularly Christian values, are issues that set them apart from each other. Although I will admit that I would be a tad nervous if McCain were to croak and Palin take over. But who knows, she could end up being great.
Obama, to me, kinda seems like he could be a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a very compelling and an EXCELLENT speaker, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have issues....... Ha ha, I think that the appealing thing about the Republicans is that they're not appealing, they tell it like it is and are often an open book. (With the exception of Palin in some cases) I just wish McCain wouldn't have to keep defending Palin when she makes a mistake, she needs to learn to fend for herself.
rabidbadger
10-03-2008, 04:10 AM
and war.
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 04:10 AM
Not necessarily, but that's what sets them apart. It seems to me like McCain and Obama are each wild cards. In the end you really don't know what either one would do if/when they're elected, so abortion and other issues like that, particularly Christian values, are issues that set them apart from each other. Although I will admit that I would be a tad nervous if McCain were to croak and Palin take over.
So whats your number one issue then and how does McCain cater to such?
njshadow
10-03-2008, 04:17 AM
So whats your number one issue then and how does McCain cater to such?
I honestly couldn't tell you. As you may have seen in the debate, they agreed with each other most of the time so it's hard to find many differing opinions. The only thing that comes to mind if offshore drilling, abortion and maybe some other issues regarding Christian values that I haven't looked into yet, but intend to do soon.
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 04:22 AM
I honestly couldn't tell you. As you may have seen in the debate, they agreed with each other most of the time so it's hard to find many differing opinions. The only thing that comes to mind if offshore drilling, abortion and maybe some other issues regarding Christian values that I haven't looked into yet, but intend to do soon.
I mean, you're voting. There has to be something that make you think "Damn it, we need to do (or not do) this". Nothing?
esophagus
10-03-2008, 05:16 AM
Like he said. Abortion and other Christian issues.
phatlip12
10-03-2008, 05:22 AM
and other Christian issues.
Yeah, such as?
ariastar
10-03-2008, 06:57 AM
Keep in mind that McCain is nearing the average life expectancy for an American male, and he does have a history of cancer. Why is this relevant? I'm concerned about his chance of dying while in office. Would you feel better having Palin over Obama?
secret-steve-crumbles
10-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Keep in mind that McCain is nearing the average life expectancy for an American male, and he does have a history of cancer. Why is this relevant? I'm concerned about his chance of dying while in office. Would you feel better having Palin over Obama? I'm pretty sure half of the world would rather have Mickey Mouse over Obama.
masherscf
10-03-2008, 02:07 PM
I'm pretty sure half of the world would rather have Mickey Mouse over Obama.
The term "Yellow Dog Democrat" comes to mind. For some people, labels are more important than personalities.
bigshotprof
10-03-2008, 05:22 PM
I wish history had allowed Obama another four or eight years to decide to run for President, but it didn't. I just don't really think that McCain for all there is that is noble about him, is the kind of person who can assemble and direct people either as an administrator or as a source of inspiration. Carter was that way (and by the way went to the White House as a change agent). It didn't matter whether his ideas were good or bad, he couldn't get them turned into policy. Reagan, in my opinion, was an idiot, but he could coalesce people in a cause, and he could get people who could do the brain work and the grunt work to do it while he napped. Clinton has a tremendous knack for detail and can turn on that weasel charm to get consensus.
McCain just does not have those capabilities. He is a "Maverick" because his personality is that of a gadfly--a trouble maker. That's good; we need those, but they make crappy executives. Obama is competent, intelligent, disciplined and motivated. And he is not too egotistical to keep from relying on people more seasoned than he when he forms an administration.
Apart from all of the issues we could discuss, at this time and in this place we MUST have an executive branch that can function efficiently and get along with the Congress. I just don't think McCain can do that.
I......Obama another four or eight years to decide to run for President.
exactly
radzack
10-05-2008, 08:35 PM
I wish history had allowed Obama another four or eight years to decide to run for President, but it didn't. I just don't really think that McCain for all there is that is noble about him, is the kind of person who can assemble and direct people either as an administrator or as a source of inspiration. Carter was that way (and by the way went to the White House as a change agent). It didn't matter whether his ideas were good or bad, he couldn't get them turned into policy. Reagan, in my opinion, was an idiot, but he could coalesce people in a cause, and he could get people who could do the brain work and the grunt work to do it while he napped. Clinton has a tremendous knack for detail and can turn on that weasel charm to get consensus.
McCain just does not have those capabilities. He is a "Maverick" because his personality is that of a gadfly--a trouble maker. That's good; we need those, but they make crappy executives. Obama is competent, intelligent, disciplined and motivated. And he is not too egotistical to keep from relying on people more seasoned than he when he forms an administration.
Apart from all of the issues we could discuss, at this time and in this place we MUST have an executive branch that can function efficiently and get along with the Congress. I just don't think McCain can do that.
I want your moose avatar
rabidbadger
10-06-2008, 02:27 AM
I wish history had allowed Obama another four or eight years to decide to run for President, but it didn't.
I always wanted him to be president ever since The 2004 convention, but I didn't expect it so soon. I expected him to take over for Hillary in 8 years, maybe. But hey, if this is his best shot, now, I'm all for it.
And the fact that he beat the powerhouse that is Hillary Clinton, and then kept her and her husband as allies, then I think he's got the ability to corral a few key congress critters into voting his way on issues. And Biden's experience aint gonna hurt, there, either.