View Full Version : Did anyone else watch Clone Wars?
darthender
10-04-2008, 10:40 PM
It premiered yesterday with two episodes.
Honestly, I rather liked it. Both episodes focused on "other" Jedi besides Anakin and Obi-wan(Yoda, and Plo Koon).
I thought the stories in each episode were fairly interesting too. And they seemed to have set up "metaplot" for the season as well based around the ion cannon.
It's annoying the way the droids are over-the-top comic relief now. But on the flip side, I really like the clones. Especially the Jedi's interactions with them.
I considered both episodes to be better that the Clone Wars movie. Mainly because of the lack of a baby Hutt.
wakuseibaka
10-04-2008, 11:14 PM
That seems to be the general consensus: movie sucked, tv show much better.
I may have to download these.
rokov
10-04-2008, 11:18 PM
If they had just cut out the baby Hutt and the annoying padawan, the movie would have been pretty good. I thought that it was the first few episodes, but if that's not the case than I'll have to check it out.
darthender
10-04-2008, 11:54 PM
Well, the movie is like the pilot of the show(the "annoying padawan" is still in the show), but they aren't showing the movie on TV. At least, not yet.
trunolimit
10-05-2008, 12:45 AM
Man I REALLY need to stop living under rocks... damn fragles... any way the movie was alright if your a starwars fan boy like I. It was most definitely intended for the younger crowd. I hope this show is a bit more mature.
callen
10-05-2008, 02:05 AM
So far, so good! I had no problem getting into these first two episodes. It simply feels like Star Wars and I can see how this show will allow for much more character development, especially on the part of the clones and the other Jedi. On the technical side of things watching the show in HD and Dolby 5.1 is awesome as well. It is like each episode is a short film! And honestly I really enjoy the CG animation style. Now is the show geared to a younger audience? Perhaps. But is it still enjoyable for all ages? I do believe so. If you have not given it a chance, then perhaps you should.
darthender
10-05-2008, 09:18 AM
Overall I'd say its as kid oriented as the movie was, but there are a couple moments I thought were a tad questionable and I think the reason it's on at 9pm. Specifically, things like watching clones(without armor) getting sucked into outer space to their deaths.
rokov
10-05-2008, 10:17 AM
I just watched the first two episodes and they were much better than I was expecting, Ahsoka was even tolerable. The only complaints I have are the cheesy newsreel voice in the beginning and the battle droid dialogue.
Overall I'd say its as kid oriented as the movie was, but there are a couple moments I thought were a tad questionable and I think the reason it's on at 9pm. Specifically, things like watching clones(without armor) getting sucked into outer space to their deaths.
The casual glee with which the droids were dispatching the survivors was disturbing to say the least. Where did this come from?
Overall I'd say its as kid oriented as the movie was, but there are a couple moments I thought were a tad questionable and I think the reason it's on at 9pm. Specifically, things like watching clones(without armor) getting sucked into outer space to their deaths.
The casual glee with which the droids were dispatching the survivors was disturbing to say the least. Where did this come from? So do droids all have an emotional life now? Even battle droids? This all implies either slavery or choice at the very least.
I just can't figure out what the writers/producers are thinking here. Are we supposed to empathize with them or despise them. IF the later why try to make them funny?:confused:
Maybe the disposable clone vs. disposable unit conversation will continue. Let's not forget where all this winds up and who the bad guys ultimately are. I don't get how the clones, if "humanized", can be turned so quickly later. I guess we'll see. (or my memories fuzzy)
forbizzle
10-06-2008, 11:19 PM
I love how people at a certain point start being concerned about what's appropriate for kids to see in entertainment. It seems when you have kids a hormone goes off in your brain that makes you want to control everything in the world.
This show is aimed at kids, and the tone is set in a way that even if there is something that is thematically strange to them it will probably be glossed over in their understanding. When you're young, you're just not a critical thinker and even blatant subtext is lost on most kids.
They're more likely to be scared when the music takes a serious tempo boost, than when characters get sucked out into space.
darthender
10-07-2008, 05:36 AM
I assume the battle droids are programmed to simulate emotion, while not actually having them to get in the way of their following order.
That said, droid AI, especially on battle droids, is berely above retard. Which is why the Empire doesn't use droid armies.
As for why the clones seem to have so much personality, yet are still incabable of disobeying Order 66, its comes down to the fact that in that respect, they are almost like sleeper agents. They are incapable of disobeying the commands of the republic. So why they might develop their own feelings and whatnot, when an order is given, they obey.
And even that isn't infallable because there are comics and novels that cover certain squads of clones that develop beyond their brainwashing and don't follow Order 66.
But now I'm just digressing into metageekdom.
I assume the battle droids are programmed to simulate emotion, while not actually having them to get in the way of their following order.
That said, droid AI, especially on battle droids, is berely above retard. Which is why the Empire doesn't use droid armies.
As for why the clones seem to have so much personality, yet are still incabable of disobeying Order 66, its comes down to the fact that in that respect, they are almost like sleeper agents. They are incapable of disobeying the commands of the republic. So why they might develop their own feelings and whatnot, when an order is given, they obey.
And even that isn't infallable because there are comics and novels that cover certain squads of clones that develop beyond their brainwashing and don't follow Order 66.
But now I'm just digressing into metageekdom.
Got it thanks. Makes a certain kind of sense although why anyone would tolerate "retard" droids is beyond me. I guess that is why Grevious? kills so many.
darthender
10-08-2008, 05:04 AM
Makes a certain kind of sense although why anyone would tolerate "retard" droids is beyond me.Supposedly, its because making "smart" droids costs a fortune. You can make a hundred stupid droids for what it would cost to make a single droid capable of making intelligent independent decisions.
Also, in Star Wars, the more intelligent you make a Droid, the more likely it is to rebel. Intelligent droids are less likely to do things like follow suicidal commands, which is not what you want in your front line combat droid.
yssman
10-08-2008, 06:29 AM
I watched the first two episodes last week and plan to do much the same this week (or is it just one?), as I've found it to be an interesting filler for whats going on in the Star Wars universe.
Lets be honest, it is a "kids" show, but I think that if you're willing to put some of that aside you're going to get the same level of enjoyment out of it as you do with slightly more "adult" kids shows like Ben 10: Alien Force. There is meat on the bones, it adds to the overall cannon, and in the end paints a picture that lets you see more of where we get in Episode III.
What I'm unsure of is how they're going to handle what will likely be a violent end for Ashoka and for Ventress 98 episodes down the road... Can they tie all of the lose ends up before we stumble into Epsidoe III? How are they going to handle what Palpatine does (alreay aluded to his "special relationship" with Anakin)? etc...
Between this and The Force Unleashed, my Star Wars love has been fulfilled once again. The only thing we have to worry about now is the live action show that takes place between Episodes III and IV, and with how freakin' awesome TFU was, I've got no idea how they're going to pull that one off...
darthender
10-08-2008, 11:10 AM
I've heard that the guy who plays Starkiller in the game may actually appear in the live action series, as Starkiller.
TFU definitely got me hooked back into Star Wars as well. That, and wookiepedia providing me with just endless hours of nerd reading material.
bruce-leroy
10-13-2008, 05:02 AM
I'm coming over from a retard duplicate thread of my own careless making.
Darth Ender, what's Order 66? Where are you getting all this stuff from? Books? Comics?
So, just so I'm clear here, the Empire does eventually stop using clones, right? Before the original trilogy? Has there ever been a story told in any medium detailing that story?
damnedeyez
10-13-2008, 05:32 AM
So, just so I'm clear here, the Empire does eventually stop using clones, right? Before the original trilogy? Has there ever been a story told in any medium detailing that story?
I was under the impression every storm trooper was a clone...even throughout the original trilogy.
But then, I've only seen the movies.
darthender
10-13-2008, 06:41 AM
I gotta say, I'm just a big toy geek on the inside. Everytime I see a new starship on the show, I just love it. I greatly look forward to whatever future Rogue Squadron type game when I get to blow up the Malevolence in my Proto-Y-Wing. I also loved the space station with the vertical docking blockade runners.
That said, Asoka was mad annoying this episode.Darth Ender, what's Order 66? Where are you getting all this stuff from? Books? Comics?
So, just so I'm clear here, the Empire does eventually stop using clones, right? Before the original trilogy? Has there ever been a story told in any medium detailing that story?Order 66 is the command from Palpatine for the clones to turn on the Jedi.
As of the Battle of Yavin, Storm Troopers are about 50% clones still. 11 years before Yavin the Kamino cloners rebelled and after putting down that rebellion, while continuing to use clones, they started using clones of people besides just Fett and also they started making troopers out of regular humans as well, because Palpatine was worried than having an entire army clones from the same person was too risky in terms of them turning against him.
rokov
10-13-2008, 06:51 AM
The more I watch the series, the more I'm liking it, but I can't help but think that they did it a huge disservice by putting out that horrible movie and probably turning off a lot of us old school fans. A lot of whom probably won't even give the series a chance.
bruce-leroy
10-13-2008, 07:56 AM
As of the Battle of Yavin, Storm Troopers are about 50% clones still. 11 years before Yavin the Kamino cloners rebelled and after putting down that rebellion, while continuing to use clones, they started using clones of people besides just Fett and also they started making troopers out of regular humans as well, because Palpatine was worried than having an entire army clones from the same person was too risky in terms of them turning against him.
So the Storm Troopers in the original trilogy were still mostly clones? When was the Battle of Yavin, in relation to the movies? (It'll help me if instead of saying "the Battle of Yavin" you say, rather, "Empire Strikes Back" or "Episode 5". I can't place battles from actual wars by their names in chronological order, much less battles from fictional wars.)
So, when was all this decided? Was the general public (in the real world) aware that the Storm Troopers were clones prior to the new trilogy, or is this basically a retcon?
And where are you getting all this information from?
darthender
10-13-2008, 05:27 PM
Battle of Yavin is the end of Episode 4. It's the blowing up of the first Death Star and its the event by which pretty much everything in the Star Wars universe measures years(for example 11 BBY, or 4 ABY).
As for if it was a retcon or not that about half of the Storm Troopers are clones, I have no idea.
Pretty much all the stuff on the "clone rebellion" on Kamino comes from Star Wars: Battlefront II.
As for the 50% clones thing, Lucas himself mentions it in this article: http://www.mtv.com/movies/movie/237059/news/articles/1501522/story.jhtml
rokov
10-13-2008, 06:50 PM
Battle of Yavin is the end of Episode 1.
It was Episode 4, A New Hope.
darthender
10-13-2008, 07:55 PM
Fuck, typo. Fixed it.
randomlyrossy
10-14-2008, 03:26 AM
As a former Star Wars geek (I used to watch the movies all the time but kinda fell out of it after the prequels had all come out) I still lap up any Star Wars I can get. I plan to get TFU when I can afford it and having this show is awesome.
There's something about Star Wars for me that's just so easy, I can just sit and watch it unlike any other series. Not sure what it is about the universe but it just has that effect on me.
Clone Wars has been no different, while it's clearly a kids show it's got it's dark moments (the previously mentioned deaths of the Clones in the first episodes) which give it a bit more of a mature tone than you'd expect. The droids being entirely retarded still bothers me, as it has since they started overplaying it in Episode 3. They were fine in Eps 1 & 2 with a 'Roger Roger' here and there and that was it but I just can't take them at all seriously as a formidable army when they're talking like barely functioning children.
All in all though it's an enjoyable show, moreso if you love all things Star Wars.
satori
10-14-2008, 11:07 AM
For all the Star Wars Geeks out there: So Anakin's ship looks a bit like a b-wing, but it isn't. I've gone looking but can't find anything saying what it is. Does anyone have a link to what it is?
darthender
10-14-2008, 09:46 PM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-B_Y-wing_starfighter
darthender
10-29-2008, 03:01 PM
An all Clone Trooper episode?
Win!
scoobydiesel
10-29-2008, 09:27 PM
I didnt even know it aired o_O?
or the old show on adultswim?
I didnt watch the new movie since it did pretty bad..
randomlyrossy
10-30-2008, 01:56 AM
An all Clone Trooper episode?
Win!
Win indeed.
I also like that this episode essentially had no retarded droid stuff, sure they were a bit dim in places, but these new commando droids seemed like more of a threat and less comical.
Really enjoyed that episode, I hope it's a sign of things to come.
darthender
10-30-2008, 03:45 PM
I thought it was funny when the commando droid had to take a moment to "modulate" his voice to sound like a clone trooper.
Then ENTIRE enemy army has the same voice, why don't you program that in as one of your presets?
cucumberboy
10-30-2008, 04:19 PM
I thought it was funny when the commando droid had to take a moment to "modulate" his voice to sound like a clone trooper.
Then ENTIRE enemy army has the same voice, why don't you program that in as one of your presets?
Haha, yeah that's true. The extreme cartoon logic and the stupidity of the droids is the only things that really bug me with this show. But it's worth watching for it's visuals. I'm a huge fan of the style.
Tha last episode worked really well because there was hardly any annoying crappy lip movement since all characters had helmets on or were droids.
EDIT: http://starwars.com/video/view/000707.html
darthender
03-19-2009, 06:47 AM
It's been awhile since I talked about this show, but now that we're over 20 episodes in, I really just wanted to reiterate how much I'm enjoying it. Especially the last 3 episodes dealing with the liberation of Ryloth.
Picking up the conversation where it left off on the stupidity of droids, I just felt like mentioning the "tactical droids" that have appeared in several episodes now that are actually fairly competent commanders and respond to situations logically.
scoobydiesel
03-19-2009, 08:39 AM
the show is still on? i still have yet to see any of it o_O
darthender
03-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Yep, it's on every week.
In fact, is apparently so popular that they've started playing it during Adult Swim also.
afidler
03-19-2009, 05:32 PM
I've got season 1 in my netflix queue, I actually liked the movie last summer(it was a little subpar, I do admit) but am really excited for the show.
gglynn00
03-19-2009, 05:51 PM
I really just wanted to reiterate how much I'm enjoying it. Especially the last 3 episodes dealing with the liberation of Ryloth.
With Mace Windu leading the assault in the last episode just friggin' rocked. The scene where they are taking over the bridge and Mace jumps from "hover thingy" to "hover thingy" was really well done. Also, it was good to see a Jedi kick some major ass...Finally!!!
I'm looking forward to the rest of the episodes and am glad that I have tuned in for this.
callen
03-19-2009, 06:22 PM
I am a big fan of this series and love this medium for telling more stories from the Star Wars universe. The visuals and quality of the overall presentation of the series keeps getting better and better. The production quality and episode direction have been great as well. Makes me even more curious as to what the upcoming live action series will be able to bring to the table.
cucumberboy
03-19-2009, 10:03 PM
Please don't see this as a shameless self promotion or anything (although it kinda is) but seeing those big ships being shot down on Ryloth kind of reminds me of an old drawing I did, depicting a big Star Wars ship crashing on Ryloth. It's not a very good drawing, I wasn't happy with it - but whatever, I was still learning.
Just thought it was a funny coincidence:
http://fc83.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/228/9/d/Star_destroyer_down_by_CucumberBoy.jpg
scoobydiesel
03-19-2009, 10:21 PM
I have not watched Cartoon Network/Adult swim in along time. How many episodes are there right now?
cucumberboy
03-19-2009, 10:27 PM
I have not watched Cartoon Network/Adult swim in along time. How many episodes are there right now?
Right now they're at 21
scoobydiesel
03-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Guessing this season is about over(or is) any news on another season?
callen
03-20-2009, 12:00 AM
Guessing this season is about over(or is) any news on another season?
The season is just about to rap up, but there will be another season for sure, as Lucas had stated in the past that he was going to do at least 100 episodes of the series pretty much no matter what. And as far as I know it has been doing very well ratings wise...
callen
03-20-2009, 12:03 AM
Please don't see this as a shameless self promotion or anything (although it kinda is) but seeing those big ships being shot down on Ryloth kind of reminds me of an old drawing I did, depicting a big Star Wars ship crashing on Ryloth. It's not a very good drawing, I wasn't happy with it - but whatever, I was still learning.
Just thought it was a funny coincidence:
http://fc83.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/228/9/d/Star_destroyer_down_by_CucumberBoy.jpg
Nice work on this star destroyer down piece. It looks good to me and obviously took some time and effort to complete...
scoobydiesel
03-20-2009, 11:02 AM
Any news on the dvd to season one....like August im guessing?
cucumberboy
03-20-2009, 09:35 PM
Nice work on this star destroyer down piece. It looks good to me and obviously took some time and effort to complete...
Thanks. :) Glad you liked it.
Scooby, the DVD is set for March 24 - only four days to go. However all the episodes are (assuming you're in the US) available at starwars.com
scoobydiesel
03-20-2009, 10:30 PM
OH holy crap thats hella soon o_O well I will have to push it off because of comic con.
cucumberboy
03-21-2009, 12:16 PM
This show might be worth watching in bluray. It's easily the best looking television show of all time, even though the other aspects of it doesn't really reach the same level. No surprise, seeing how a lot of designs in the show and the movie are taken directly from old McQuarrie concept art that didn't make it into the original trilogy.
darthender
03-24-2009, 06:05 AM
The season finale was Friday and man was it badass.
Bounty Hunters just rule, and watching them grind through those senate guards(who are NOT clones) including snapping one's neck...delicious.
And yes, Season 2 starts in fall.
th3-space-pope
03-24-2009, 06:26 AM
Agreed, my only complaint would be that the Anakin and Padmé scene at the start gave me Attack of the Clones flashbacks.
darthender
03-24-2009, 06:31 AM
I thought that scene was actually less awkward than any of the "romance" scenes from the Prequels.
I think it's because the two CGI characters are better than the actors in the movies. :p
gglynn00
03-24-2009, 12:19 PM
I thought that scene was actually less awkward than any of the "romance" scenes from the Prequels.
I think it's because the two CGI characters are better than the actors in the movies. :p
Surely you jest!!! The acting in the Star Wars movies are on par with the best performances of Hamlet and Othello:D
I didn't like the season finale as much as I liked the previous 3 episodes, but I thought it was funny and cool how they sprang "Tranny the Hut" out of the slammer from the movie.
darthender
03-24-2009, 04:09 PM
It's funny, I was actually watching the finale, and after finding out it was the finale at the end and then season the trailer for season 2, I realized that this weeks episode was probably originally meant to be the FIRST episode of season 2.
What with the sudden escalation of violence on the show(which I think is going to be the trend going into to season 2) and the introduction of several new characters.
cucumberboy
04-05-2009, 02:30 PM
It's funny, I was actually watching the finale, and after finding out it was the finale at the end and then season the trailer for season 2, I realized that this weeks episode was probably originally meant to be the FIRST episode of season 2.
What with the sudden escalation of violence on the show(which I think is going to be the trend going into to season 2) and the introduction of several new characters.
The finale was the best episode I've seen so far (haven't seen all of them though). Action is what this show does best, so season 2 looks promising.
darthender
02-03-2010, 08:49 AM
I just felt like mentioning how ridiculously nerdservicey last weeks episode of Clone Wars was.
Mandalorian warriors.
A black KATANA bladed light saber.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUOZuWFJdx8
I'm sure plenty of fanboys came when they saw that.
darthender
04-23-2010, 09:18 AM
I believe it bares stating that, even as a 10 year old, Boba Fett is a ****ing badass.
gglynn00
04-23-2010, 06:52 PM
I believe it bares stating that, even as a 10 year old, Boba Fett is a ****ing badass.
AH!!! I'm guessing you've seen this weeks episode?
Also, what are your thoughts of season 2 so far? I thought the last two godzilla episodes were lacking.
My favorite episodes were the ones about Obi Wan and his (semi) love interest.
bizarrodin
04-25-2010, 09:38 AM
I used to be a big star wars fan but the prequels kinda killed it for me, still love the originals but I no longer have any tolerance for the "new stuff" so i'll probably never watch it.
I recently saw a really funny breakdown of the awful clones movie that everyone should watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA
gglynn00
04-26-2010, 12:05 AM
I used to be a big star wars fan but the prequels kinda killed it for me, still love the originals but I no longer have any tolerance for the "new stuff" so i'll probably never watch it.
I recently saw a really funny breakdown of the awful clones movie that everyone should watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA
The Clone Wars movie wasn't that bad. It was 4 or 5 episodes that could have easily come from the tv series rolled into a movie format. It's funny, but the cartoon has more Jedi action than any of the feature films ever dreamed.
darthender
04-27-2010, 01:29 PM
Also, what are your thoughts of season 2 so far? I thought the last two godzilla episodes were lacking. The zilla beast is awesome though because it introduces something you can make lightsaber-proof armor out of. Which will make the video games more awesome!
That's one of the best things about this series. It's how normally games and books set in the Expanded Universe are always trying to stretch out what was in the movies. Clone Wars is creating a steady stream of new creatures, starships, technologies that, even when they aren't used well in the series, you can be sure some writer or game designer will go crazy with in the future.
rkolegendkiller91
04-28-2010, 02:58 AM
From what i've seen of thee show, I digg it a lot.
cucumberboy
04-28-2010, 08:55 PM
Just realized that Anakin is a much better developed and much more enjoyable character in this show than he was in the prequels.
gglynn00
04-28-2010, 09:12 PM
Just realized that Anakin is a much better developed and much more enjoyable character in this show than he was in the prequels.
Yes...Yes he is. There are some really cool moments where Anakin does some really "non-Jedi" things and the Darth Vader March plays in the background just a bit. Also, the interactions between Anakin and Ahsoka and Anakin and Obi Wan are a lot better than in the movies. Anakin and Ahsoka shows the human side of Anakin much better than Anakin and Padme did in the movies.