You show me yours and I'll show you mine. [Archive]

dokino21

11-01-2008, 04:03 AM

Because someone wanted me to post a win for the school, I will relay the info I shared with them. After all, this particular person wanted to hear out tales of victory.

As I don't drink, much of what I learned from the school had the potential to be used to impress friends with the uselessness of the skills. But with each tool you learn, there are always places and times to use them. And my time was at a private little engagement with three lovely ladies. I say lovely because each was just a little different, and thus...not the same.
I made a wager. I will do some tricks for them. Yes, I'm a sad little puppy dog that knows tricks, watch and laugh. The wager was...

I will do these tricks and if you can figure them out, or if I fail to do the trick, I will remove a piece of clothing. If you can't figure them out or if I accomplish the trick, you remove a piece of clothing.
Strip trickery is not a perfect science and I did lose a shirt. Sad but true. But on a happier note. The ladies divested of their clothing fully. I am not one to go into details beyond that, but I will list, in no particular order, what tricks I did in order to accomplish this trifecta of nudity.

Controlled Cards
The Equation
The Key Card
how to predict the future (which was actually a wager of, if I can guess it....If not...)
dean martin's match trick
and the puzzle.

Remember, these aren't just a way to free booze (I don't drink) they are a way to strip women of their clothing.

shwooddotcom

11-01-2008, 08:12 AM

retz

11-01-2008, 10:40 AM

You should have failed a couple more tricks and then performed a vanish.

narieno

11-01-2008, 06:49 PM

Nice man. Since I'm too young to drink I show them to my dad, let him buy the answers off of me so he can use them. Then when i go to a teen night at a skating ring, where all all the rich kids bring $50 each, I scam them of their money and walk out with like $100.

therage800

11-01-2008, 06:52 PM

Nice fantasy.

alaskalonewolf

11-01-2008, 07:15 PM

Actually, that's probably really going on. With all the people
who have no idea what internet television is, it doesn't really
surprise me at all. Most of the masses don't seem to stray
very far from MySpace and FaceBook, and if they do, they
really don't stay for very long.

therage800

11-02-2008, 04:43 AM

coldv

11-02-2008, 08:12 AM

What?

Er... I think he meant that the OP's story may not be a fantasy and is quite possibly real because despite everyone using the Internet, only a very tiny percentage watches Scam School. So those who don't know about this show can easily be scammed out of their clothings.

therage800

11-02-2008, 08:57 AM

Er... I think he meant that the OP's story may not be a fantasy and is quite possibly real because despite everyone using the Internet, only a very tiny percentage watches Scam School. So those who don't know about this show can easily be scammed out of their clothings.

That was much clearer. But I disagree. I didn't say that it's a fantasy because they would already know the scams... He could use all original scams that were never aired before and it still wouldn't work. Unless the girls were very drunk...

coldv

11-02-2008, 09:31 AM

That was much clearer. But I disagree. I didn't say that it's a fantasy because they would already know the scams... He could use all original scams that were never aired before and it still wouldn't work. Unless the girls were very drunk...

That really depends on the crowd you were hanging out with. Speaking for myself, it would never work with me since I'd have to die of alcohol poisoning first. But I have seen some girls who would die for the chance/excuse to strip at parties just to get some male attention (one girl even let them take pictures). I see your location is in Japan, girls over there are most likely more conservative.

therage800

11-02-2008, 11:21 AM

That really depends on the crowd you were hanging out with. Speaking for myself, it would never work with me since I'd have to die of alcohol poisoning first. But I have seen some girls who would die for the chance/excuse to strip at parties just to get some male attention (one girl even let them take pictures). I see your location is in Japan, girls over there are most likely more conservative.

That is true (Until you get them behind closed doors) but I'm not from Japan... And I've seen that kind of thing at parties, and there has always been alcohol involved... And never strip whatever (scams, poker, etc.) while that may be possible the odds are against it... Plus from my experience, typically the guys that can pull that kind of thing off don't go blabbering about it on the internet.

BTW, I'm impressed that you knew it was Japan.

dokino21

11-03-2008, 02:57 AM

That is true (Until you get them behind closed doors) but I'm not from Japan... And I've seen that kind of thing at parties, and there has always been alcohol involved... And never strip whatever (scams, poker, etc.) while that may be possible the odds are against it... Plus from my experience, typically the guys that can pull that kind of thing off don't go blabbering about it on the internet.

BTW, I'm impressed that you knew it was Japan.

I am not really interested in if you or anyone in particular believes me or not. If you don't think it happened, that is ok. I am not going to get in touch with them women involved, or other people who would be able to validate things because no matter what proof I could come up with, you or someone else would still work to say it didn't happen. So hey, believe what you want, but don't believe it here.

coldv

11-03-2008, 09:59 AM

That is true (Until you get them behind closed doors) but I'm not from Japan... And I've seen that kind of thing at parties, and there has always been alcohol involved... And never strip whatever (scams, poker, etc.) while that may be possible the odds are against it... Plus from my experience, typically the guys that can pull that kind of thing off don't go blabbering about it on the internet.

BTW, I'm impressed that you knew it was Japan.

You have been hanging out with some real nice guys then, gentlemen even (No offense to the OP). Generally the first thing most guys would do when they managed to get girls to strip is to tell the story anyone who would listen. Guys have great egos and stories like this are basically the ultimate ego boosters.

Oh and also, I knew it was Japan because I can read Chinese (also learnt some basic Japanese), so reading kanji is a breeze for me.

therage800

11-03-2008, 11:14 AM

You have been hanging out with some real nice guys then, gentlemen even (No offense to the OP). Generally the first thing most guys would do when they managed to get girls to strip is to tell the story anyone who would listen. Guys have great egos and stories like this are basically the ultimate ego boosters.

Oh and also, I knew it was Japan because I can read Chinese (also learnt some basic Japanese), so reading kanji is a breeze for me.

Guys that need to go around telling these types of stories have serious self confidence issues...

Oh, you can read Chinese? Judging by your avatar, I now have to ask, are you Chinese? If you don't mind I have a question, as my Japanese is moderate but I don't speak a word of Chinese (Well I know like two words of Mandarin) but what did you read the Kanji as? Like I'm not surprised that you knew 日本 is Japan, but like do you know 東京 (I know you know it's "East Capitol")?

coldv

11-03-2008, 11:58 AM

Guys that need to go around telling these types of stories have serious self confidence issues...

Oh, you can read Chinese? Judging by your avatar, I now have to ask, are you Chinese? If you don't mind I have a question, as my Japanese is moderate but I don't speak a word of Chinese (Well I know like two words of Mandarin) but what did you read the Kanji as? Like I'm not surprised that you knew 日本 is Japan, but like do you know 東京 (I know you know it's "East Capitol")?

I am indeed Chinese but my location is in Sydney, Australia. Half the kanji in Japanese mean the same or at least have similar meanings in Chinese. Also, 東京 is the same words we use for Tokyo in Chinese.

BTW we totally just high jacked this thread :P

alaskalonewolf

11-03-2008, 12:25 PM

...not that it's a bad thing.

therage800

11-03-2008, 01:40 PM

I am indeed Chinese but my location is in Sydney, Australia. Half the kanji in Japanese mean the same or at least have similar meanings in Chinese. Also, 東京 is the same words we use for Tokyo in Chinese.

BTW we totally just high jacked this thread :P

Yeah, I know, that's why I was curious... I can guess my way through a lot of Chinese now :) I was thinking you might use 東京... Random yet related question... How do you type in Chinese? I know how to in Japanese (obviously) you type it in with English characters, it gets converted to hiragana and then you hit the space bar to get the kanji. So, how does it work in Chinese, do you type in Hanyu pinyin (I admit, I looked that word up)? And finally how many kanji/hanzi do you know? I have a love for kanji if you can't tell... yet ;)

This our thread now! Ha ha ha

coldv

11-04-2008, 08:54 AM

Yeah, I know, that's why I was curious... I can guess my way through a lot of Chinese now :) I was thinking you might use 東京... Random yet related question... How do you type in Chinese? I know how to in Japanese (obviously) you type it in with English characters, it gets converted to hiragana and then you hit the space bar to get the kanji. So, how does it work in Chinese, do you type in Hanyu pinyin (I admit, I looked that word up)? And finally how many kanji/hanzi do you know? I have a love for kanji if you can't tell... yet ;)

This our thread now! Ha ha ha

There are many ways to type in Chinese. I know of methods that type by the structure of the characters, or order of strokes, or pinyin (there are more than 3 types of pinyin!). I use Cantonese pinyin, which is writing what each character sound like in English, hit space bar and look for the right character.

I know most hanzi! Give me an average book and I am confident that I can read every word in it. Newspaper is a lot harder to read though. It's awesome that you love kanji. i think kanji is harder to learn in Japanese. If I am not mistaken, kanji's in Japanese can have various pronunciations, right? In Chinese, there is rarely a hanzi that has more than one pinyin (pronunciation) for it

therage800

11-04-2008, 09:43 AM

There are many ways to type in Chinese. I know of methods that type by the structure of the characters, or order of strokes, or pinyin (there are more than 3 types of pinyin!). I use Cantonese pinyin, which is writing what each character sound like in English, hit space bar and look for the right character.

I know most hanzi! Give me an average book and I am confident that I can read every word in it. Newspaper is a lot harder to read though. It's awesome that you love kanji. i think kanji is harder to learn in Japanese. If I am not mistaken, kanji's in Japanese can have various pronunciations, right? In Chinese, there is rarely a hanzi that has more than one pinyin (pronunciation) for it

Yes, actually nearly every kanji has what's called kunyomi and onyomi. Kunyomi is the Japanese word and onyomi is the Chinese pronunciation with Japanese phonetics! Now can you read non-simplified Chinese? And what makes a newspaper harder than a book?

According to wikipedia there are over 47,000 hanzi!! It also says a lot of them aren't oftenly used though... Now that you live in Australia do you find yourself forgetting any of them? And finally (last one I swear!) when did you learn English (by that I mean perfect)? I can't wait till I can speak Japanese as well as you do English...

coldv

11-04-2008, 01:43 PM

Yes, actually nearly every kanji has what's called kunyomi and onyomi. Kunyomi is the Japanese word and onyomi is the Chinese pronunciation with Japanese phonetics! Now can you read non-simplified Chinese? And what makes a newspaper harder than a book?

According to wikipedia there are over 47,000 hanzi!! It also says a lot of them aren't oftenly used though... Now that you live in Australia do you find yourself forgetting any of them? And finally (last one I swear!) when did you learn English (by that I mean perfect)? I can't wait till I can speak Japanese as well as you do English...

Kunyomi and onyomi... that explains a lot! Traditional (non-simplified) Chinese is what I know, but sometimes simplified Chinese can be way too simplified for me to read. Newspapers often choose to use some words and sentence structures that are less common and a lot more old-fashioned and formal.

I will never forget how to read, it's the sort of thing that will be in my head forever. But since last year I noticed I am starting to forget how to write. I came from Hong Kong, back then Hong Kong was still an English colony, so I learnt English since I was small. But I only became completely confident and fluent about 3-4 years after I moved to Sydney. Learning language to perfection really depends on the person, I was determined to be fluent so I kept learning and improving myself. (Watched a lot of American TV shows. Ended up with an American accent) Even though people can not tell I'm from Hong Kong from my accent anymore (they thought I'm from America), I still continue to improve myself. I have also met some people with the heaviest Chinese accent who think they have learnt enough and stop improving themselves yet they have been in Sydney a hell lot longer than I have! So I am sure with the determination you have now and keep learning constantly, your Japanese would be perfect in a few years time!

therage800

11-04-2008, 02:02 PM

Kunyomi and onyomi... that explains a lot! Traditional (non-simplified) Chinese is what I know, but sometimes simplified Chinese can be way too simplified for me to read. Newspapers often choose to use some words and sentence structures that are less common and a lot more old-fashioned and formal.

I will never forget how to read, it's the sort of thing that will be in my head forever. But since last year I noticed I am starting to forget how to write. I came from Hong Kong, back then Hong Kong was still an English colony, so I learnt English since I was small. But I only became completely confident and fluent about 3-4 years after I moved to Sydney. Learning language to perfection really depends on the person, I was determined to be fluent so I kept learning and improving myself. (Watched a lot of American TV shows. Ended up with an American accent) Even though people can not tell I'm from Hong Kong from my accent anymore (they thought I'm from America), I still continue to improve myself. I have also met some people with the heaviest Chinese accent who think they have learnt enough and stop improving themselves yet they have been in Sydney a hell lot longer than I have! So I am sure with the determination you have now and keep learning constantly, your Japanese would be perfect in a few years time!

Ha ha ha, and here I was imagining that you were more likely to know simplified Chinese because it's more "simple". I don't even really know what the real difference is though, other than less strokes? My first ever Japanese teacher, a language scholar, (spoke like 7 languages, I always thought it was ironic that he taught a foreign language in a foreign language) he spoke Chinese, not sure if Mandarin or Cantonese though, but I remember him mentioning the "4 tones", how do you write different tones?

So you learned English when Hong Kong was still under British control... I noticed you use the word "learnt" a lot, is that common in Australia? I know it is in the UK... I don't know if you know this but a lot of your sentence structure is more American than Australian. Unfortunately I'll be leaving Japan this January due to circumstances beyond my control... I'm worried what will happen to my Japanese ability then... But even here, I'm learning to write a lot more than I can speak! So I'll have to just keep hanging out in Japanese forums.

I want to try something. Here's a sentence in Japanese ("I'm speaking Japanese" with masculine "I/私") how would it be written in Chinese? 僕は日本語を話してします。

coldv

11-05-2008, 08:50 AM

Ha ha ha, and here I was imagining that you were more likely to know simplified Chinese because it's more "simple". I don't even really know what the real difference is though, other than less strokes? My first ever Japanese teacher, a language scholar, (spoke like 7 languages, I always thought it was ironic that he taught a foreign language in a foreign language) he spoke Chinese, not sure if Mandarin or Cantonese though, but I remember him mentioning the "4 tones", how do you write different tones?

So you learned English when Hong Kong was still under British control... I noticed you use the word "learnt" a lot, is that common in Australia? I know it is in the UK... I don't know if you know this but a lot of your sentence structure is more American than Australian. Unfortunately I'll be leaving Japan this January due to circumstances beyond my control... I'm worried what will happen to my Japanese ability then... But even here, I'm learning to write a lot more than I can speak! So I'll have to just keep hanging out in Japanese forums.

I want to try something. Here's a sentence in Japanese ("I'm speaking Japanese" with masculine "I/私") how would it be written in Chinese? 僕は日本語を話してします。

It is not surprising that your Japanese teacher is really Chinese. Japanese is the easiest language to learn for Chinese. To me, simplified never means easier. Sure you have fewer strokes, but the many words turns out almost completely different. For example, the word "dragon" is 龍 in traditional Chinese and 龙 in simplified Chinese. It is completely different. To be honest, I hate simplified Chinese. Sure it's easier to write but it is almost like it's for lazy people! (Note "dragon" in Traditional Chinese looks way cooler) Mandarin has 4 tones, - , ′ , ˇ and ` . Cantonese has 9 tones (I don't even know them). The tones just goes on top of the vowel of the pinyin like so, "lóng".

I think it is impressive that you know enough Japanese to live and work there! Hanging around in Japanese forums is a good idea. If you're into it, watching anime might be a good way to keep in touch with Japanese. That's actually what got me into learning Japanese. I often thought speaking is easier than writing.

That sentence would be 我在說日文. You know 私 in Chinese means "private" or "self". That's something interesting right there.

Also I forgot to mention, every time I read this thread's title, the song "The Bad Touch" gets stuck in my head.

therage800

11-05-2008, 10:05 AM

It is not surprising that your Japanese teacher is really Chinese. Japanese is the easiest language to learn for Chinese. To me, simplified never means easier. Sure you have fewer strokes, but the many words turns out almost completely different. For example, the word "dragon" is 龍 in traditional Chinese and 龙 in simplified Chinese. It is completely different. To be honest, I hate simplified Chinese. Sure it's easier to write but it is almost like it's for lazy people! (Note "dragon" in Traditional Chinese looks way cooler) Mandarin has 4 tones, - , ′ , ˇ and ` . Cantonese has 9 tones (I don't even know them). The tones just goes on top of the vowel of the pinyin like so, "lóng".

I think it is impressive that you know enough Japanese to live and work there! Hanging around in Japanese forums is a good idea. If you're into it, watching anime might be a good way to keep in touch with Japanese. That's actually what got me into learning Japanese. I often thought speaking is easier than writing.

That sentence would be 我在說日文. You know 私 in Chinese means "private" or "self". That's something interesting right there.

Also I forgot to mention, every time I read this thread's title, the song "The Bad Touch" gets stuck in my head.

My Japanese teacher wasn't Chinese either. Actually he was from Bengal, he just happened to speak Chinese (along with a billion other languages). BTW, the Japanese apparently write dragon in non simplified because that's the one I know. And you're right, the simplified one looks nothing like the first!

Unfortunately I could never get into anime and I've tried, both as a learning tool and because I have a friend who is really into it. Everyone seems to say it's easier to speak than read and write, I guess I'm the "odd" guy, as I read so much better than I speak.

I just assumed 私　would have the same meaning! I was also expecting the sentence to look much more similar! Do you use the kanji/hanzi 僕 in Chinese? I see you used 我 which is used in Japanese but it's even more masculine than 僕. The second one I don't know but my kanji dictionary says "country" yet the only kanji I know for country is 国. The third one isn't even in my dictionary (So I'm guessing it's not used in Japanese). The fourth is day or sun. And the fifth is sentence. So yeah, the sentence structure is even more different than I thought... But I don't get it, where is "Japan" in that sentence? I imagine it has do with 日, but isn't there more?

coldv

11-12-2008, 04:43 AM

My Japanese teacher wasn't Chinese either. Actually he was from Bengal, he just happened to speak Chinese (along with a billion other languages). BTW, the Japanese apparently write dragon in non simplified because that's the one I know. And you're right, the simplified one looks nothing like the first!

Unfortunately I could never get into anime and I've tried, both as a learning tool and because I have a friend who is really into it. Everyone seems to say it's easier to speak than read and write, I guess I'm the "odd" guy, as I read so much better than I speak.

I just assumed 私　would have the same meaning! I was also expecting the sentence to look much more similar! Do you use the kanji/hanzi 僕 in Chinese? I see you used 我 which is used in Japanese but it's even more masculine than 僕. The second one I don't know but my kanji dictionary says "country" yet the only kanji I know for country is 国. The third one isn't even in my dictionary (So I'm guessing it's not used in Japanese). The fourth is day or sun. And the fifth is sentence. So yeah, the sentence structure is even more different than I thought... But I don't get it, where is "Japan" in that sentence? I imagine it has do with 日, but isn't there more?

I don't think 僕 exists in Chinese, either that or we don't use it at all. In Japanese there are many ways of saying "I" but there is only one in Chinese and that is 我. It is weird that 在 means "country" in the dictionary. In Chinese, 在 means "am currently (at a location or doing an action)". 說 is "speak(ing)" then 日 is of course "sun" or "day" but also the first character in 日本/ Japan.Then 文 is specifically "written language" or "written passage" but some people use it as "language" in general. If it has to be specifically mean "spoken Japanese language", then it would be 日語. 日本/Japan is simplified when we say "Japanese language" into just 日, sorta like in English "Jap". I mean, no one would really misunderstand and go "sun... language?".

therage800

11-13-2008, 08:59 AM

I don't think 僕 exists in Chinese, either that or we don't use it at all. In Japanese there are many ways of saying "I" but there is only one in Chinese and that is 我. It is weird that 在 means "country" in the dictionary. In Chinese, 在 means "am currently (at a location or doing an action)". 說 is "speak(ing)" then 日 is of course "sun" or "day" but also the first character in 日本/ Japan.Then 文 is specifically "written language" or "written passage" but some people use it as "language" in general. If it has to be specifically mean "spoken Japanese language", then it would be 日語. 日本/Japan is simplified when we say "Japanese language" into just 日, sorta like in English "Jap". I mean, no one would really misunderstand and go "sun... language?".

Wow, that is weird how 在 can have so different meanings... That is interesting, I think I goy everything you said. It's funny how both Chinese and Japanese use the same alphabet (partial) but they are such different languages! So then is Chinese structured subject-verb-object?