Pirates 2 Writers Are Big Babies

[viscountradu]

The writers of Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest were interviewed and they said that the reviews of their movie were "poorly written" and were "not really interesting or helpful." They sound like a bunch of whining babies and it gives me one more reason not to see Pirates 3.

Full article: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=39110

[tokenuser]

There is one place where Elliott and Rossio have found the kind of thoughtful analysis once expected from professional critics: the Internet. "You want the audience to enjoy it, obviously," he said. "And they did, which is great. But I do think it's kind of sad that in order to see any discussion of the existentialist themes that underlie the movie, I had to go to the fan boards, because it was not anywhere in any of the professional reviews. You're trying to look for a deeper analysis, and the deeper analyses are now coming in the new media."

I kinda agree with them, "entertainment" journalists and "movie review journalists" are pretty much tabloid hacks, regurgitating what the studios feed them, and not writing anything substantial - but they DO get free tickets and pre-release screenings.

If I am looking for a movie review, I look online (Rotten Tomatoes).
If I want a discussion of a movie, I look online (Thanks GeekDrome).

Who reads newspapers and watches TV anymore anyway?

[dromeonyourchest]

I just saw Pirates 2 and I all I could think was WHAT!?...this isn't a movie. I hope this stay tuned tell next time idea become a trend.

[dromeonyourchest]

I just saw Pirates 2 and I all I could think was WHAT!?...this isn't a movie. I hope this stay tuned tell next time idea become a trend.

Doesn't become a trend...edit feature doesn't work for me sorry.

[tokenuser]

Quick question - I didn't see Pirates 2 at the cinema. I own Pirates 1 on DVD ... is it worth buying the DVD, or is this a "just rent it" movie?

[dromeonyourchest]

Quick question - I didn't see Pirates 2 at the cinema. I own Pirates 1 on DVD ... is it worth buying the DVD, or is this a "just rent it" movie?

Rent it definitley, not nearly as good as the first one and it leaves you hanging like matrix 2.

[calvinslug]

It makes me wonder what has happened to the great film critiques? Where is the deeper analysis? I'm sure film students get to read this stuff, where can I find it?

[poltah]

Don't care what the writers said. I think Pirates 2 was great. I love that movies are becoming more like tv shows now, movie-series is a great concept.
I don't mind the movie ended like that.
Nobody complained about Lord of the Rings, they ended the same way.

I say buy it. It's entertaining like crazy, not nearly as good as the first one, but still a fun and entertaining movie.

[satori]

sausage .

[calvinslug]

sausage .

cooter .

[dromeonyourchest]

Don't care what the writers said. I think Pirates 2 was great. I love that movies are becoming more like tv shows now, movie-series is a great concept.
I don't mind the movie ended like that.
Nobody complained about Lord of the Rings, they ended the same way.

I say buy it. It's entertaining like crazy, not nearly as good as the first one, but still a fun and entertaining movie.

The difference is that Lord of the Rings was a book and you could read them to find out. Star Wars was a continuing saga too but they ended each movie with a conclusion leaving you satisfied. I don't call the end of Pirates 2 any kind of conclusion.

[tokenuser]

Don't care what the writers said. I think Pirates 2 was great. I love that movies are becoming more like tv shows now, movie-series is a great concept. Cool. I don't mind that concept ... I bet there were the same complaints with Back to the Future 2 and 3 (I didn't care then either). It guarantees an audience for Pirates3.

[splax]

Nobody complained about Lord of the Rings, they ended the same way.


Yeah, but LOTR is an adaption of a novel and it was a series of films because the book was so goddam long. When you sat down for those films you were expecting it.

[poltah]

The difference is that Lord of the Rings was a book and you could read them to find out. Star Wars was a continuing saga too but they ended each movie with a conclusion leaving you satisfied. I don't call the end of Pirates 2 any kind of conclusion.

Let me get this straight.

If the Pirates movies were based on three books, it would've been okay?

[r3v]

I kinda agree with them, "entertainment" journalists and "movie review journalists" are pretty much tabloid hacks, regurgitating what the studios feed them, and not writing anything substantial - but they DO get free tickets and pre-release screenings.I definitely agree with the writers on this one.



Don't care what the writers said. I think Pirates 2 was great. I love that movies are becoming more like tv shows now, movie-series is a great concept.
I don't mind the movie ended like that.
Nobody complained about Lord of the Rings, they ended the same way.hahaha. When I saw LoTR:FoTR in the theaters the first time, a mom and her son were seated in front of me. (I assume the relationship was that... it coulda been aunt/nephew or a felony case, I dunno.) Anyways, the mom was obviously a big Tolkein fan and very excited and the son was NOT into it at all. The kid was totally sucked in though and when the film ended, but the story clearly did not... he flipped out a little. It was pretty funny. The mom explained that two more movies were coming and his response was something akin to "Awesome! Ohmygod, how long will THAT take?!"

[d0ug18]

I didn't really like the second Pirates movie all that much because they jumped into it thinking you have just seen the frist one two minutes before you sat down. It just moved along and I think got caught up in being a vehicle to set up another movie, it would have been fine if this one was shorter, but it just took way to long to get there.

It was good in the sense that it was a movie that kept moving along, but the plot was muddled and I think that the wrtiters could have done a better job at reintroducing the characters and developing a stronger plot. (There I hope writers appreciate these comments more.)

Oh and it didn't help that Bloom hyped the final swrod fight scene and said that it's the sword fight scene to end all sword fight scenes.

[dromeonyourchest]

Let me get this straight.

If the Pirates movies were based on three books, it would've been okay?

Your damn straight, that way I know whether or not the last one will be a giant turd or not. LOTR was acceptable because I knew the other two were going to kick ass and it was well worth the money.

[poltah]

Your damn straight, that way I know whether or not the last one will be a giant turd or not. LOTR was acceptable because I knew the other two were going to kick ass and it was well worth the money.

So you only see movies you know will kick ass, and it's only okay to not conclude movies if the movies are based on books.

Well, ehm, okay.

[dromeonyourchest]

So you only see people you know will kick ass, and it's only okay to not conclude movies if the movies are based on books.

Well, ehm, okay.

Yeah I only see people I know kick ass, thats why I'll never be seeing you.

[losojosdemuerte]

Well I was informed by someone at work that the DVD sales for PC2 Dead Man's Chest beat any existing opening day sales record for an item, i.e: books, dvds, vhs, cd and games.

What the in the hell do they have to cry about now. *****ES!!!!

[poltah]

Yeah I only see people I know kick ass, thats why I'll never be seeing you.

Get your ass kicked a lot?

Really. It makes no sense what you're saying. Why does it matter if the movies are based on a book or not? Plenty of people saw Lotr without having read the books.

Do you watch Lost and go "Oh this is total crap, this episode didn't conclude anything."

[dromeonyourchest]

Get your ass kicked a lot?

Really. It makes no sense what you're saying. Why does it matter if the movies are based on a book or not? Plenty of people saw Lotr without having read the books.

Do you watch Lost and go "Oh this is total crap, this episode didn't conclude anything."


This conversation ended when I slam dunked your typo in your face earlier.

[ariastar]

But it.

A lot of the reviews were written in a way that would NOT be helpful to the writers in how they edit the next one.

[imagineer99]

I hate to point this out, but Pirates II sucked because it was just so damn poorly written. If the writers were actually interested in giving us a cohesive story instead of a lame movie that was pretty much all setup for a sequel, maybe it would have been reviewed better. It shouldn't be the responsibility of movie critics to tell PROFESSIONAL screenwriters how to structure a script. This is basic, 101, scriptwriting for "Dummies" stuff. It ain't rocket science.

Good adventure movies need to show us the stakes. They need to give coherent goals and motivations. Pirates II did neither. Two hours in and I still had no idea what was happening or why I was supposed to care. It was like story vomit--far two many subplots spilling out, each less engaging than the first.

Why have the cannibal island? Why have random dice games that no one understands? Why are we forced to watch the endless supply of characters make quips (unfunny ones) while Captain Jack mugs the camera?

The plot was so bad that near the end they have two of the characters ATTEMPTING to explain it directly to the audience. At this point, I realized that not only did the writers F-up, they were only making this movie as excuse for a third (hello $$$$). Star Wars and other great trilogies have story arcs. Sure, they ain't finished with each installment, but at least you feel as if the story was going naturally in one direction.

So, I raise a glass of grog into the air--F YOU PIRATES 2!

[viscountradu]

the writers are complaining that the movie critics didn't give them well-thought out feedback, right? why should critics waste time telling stupid writers how bad their horrid movie was? is it enough for them to tell audiences that the movie is worth avoiding. if the writers really don't know what went wrong in Pirates 2 then I think Pirates 3 is doomed.

here's the only Captain Jack worth watching:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Jackharkness.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Harkness

[satansmagichat]

It makes me wonder what has happened to the great film critiques? Where is the deeper analysis? I'm sure film students get to read this stuff, where can I find it?

Actually, this is a really good question. Does anyone know of such a place?

[megaspam]

Actually, this is a really good question. Does anyone know of such a place?
http://bigempire.com/filthy/

[big-doze]

Ok, since this seems to be the tone of all the responses in this thread, allow me to lend my two cents:

I think that Pirates 2 (and by the way, I originally thought this was about the porno) was a good movie, bottom line. Not great, but good. It entertained, it kept me interested throughout the story, and it had lots of good character moments and high stakes action.

BUT... I could never get all the way into the movie because I didn't ****ing understand what the deal was with Davy Jones. He tears his heart out, ok, and... suddenly he's one with the sea?? How did that happen?? If I cut my heart out, will I get a squid beard too?? The Elizabeth/Jack stuff came from no natural place, yet it did make for some effective dramatic moments. Orlando was much less of a ***** in this one.

And yes, it didn't have an ending. That's what "cliffhanger" means. They do it all the time. There is an overarching storyline. Just because you don't know where it's going doesn't mean it's not there. If you don't like the movie, fine, please voice your opinion, but state it as that: YOUR OPINION!!! I can't stand when people say "This movie is a piece of shit" when they really mean "I thought this movie was a piece of shit." You viewpoint is just that, and I for one am more than interested in hearing it and discussing it with you, but don't state it like the f*cking history channel as doctrine.

Maybe this all springs from my lonely love of Fantastic Four, and the inability of anyone to truly articulate an argument against that brilliant movie, but I digress. I liked Pirates 2. Just my opinion.

[big-doze]

I must qualify my above rant by recognizing my own hypocricy, because I will never bring myself to accept that The Hulk was anything but a steaming piece of shit. Objectively.

My apologies, but I gotta be me. Let the battle resume.

[poltah]

This conversation ended when I slam dunked your typo in your face earlier.

Yeah kids, because on the internet, typos make you wrong. No matter what the topic of a discussion is.
And also, other kids who take pride in "slam dunking typos into people's faces" are cool, on the internet.
What you need to know is, in real life, they are ugly. Like fork-in-eye-ugly.

[satori]

Quick question - I didn't see Pirates 2 at the cinema. I own Pirates 1 on DVD ... is it worth buying the DVD, or is this a "just rent it" movie?

I would go as far as to say don't rent it.... wait until 3 comes out because 2 isn't even a complete movie.

[ryudo]

Pirates 2 was awesome...still had an adventure feel but a much needed more complex story ..if 2 was more of the same would have felt like they were milking re-hash...I give them credit for trying and IMO successfully expanding a great set of characters/adventure.

Can't wait for 3.

[dromeonyourchest]

All the characters in Pirates 2 were all one dimensional and fell flat unlike the first one. *SPOILER* You see a small glimpse of an attempt of some character progression in Kiera Knightly's character when she falls in love with Captain "Runs Retarded" Sparro but thats about it.

[darksydeavenger]

I don't know what I felt coming out of the theater after watching this. All I know is that I felt better about wanting to be a filmmaker. I felt better about a lot of creative endeavors of mine. The fact of the matter is, this movie suffers from being poorly written. I agree with the person here who said that the cannibal island scene was a waste. In one sense, it re-introduced us to the characters and set the slapstick mood that we had come to love in the first one, but the first one did it in seconds. (recall when Jack comes "sinking" into port)

Honestly, I believe the cannibals were used to beef out the run time. What they had was one and a half movies, but instead of just making one long sequel, they were told to make it two movies. It's the same thing that happened with Kill Bill and the Matrix sequels. Just a lot of padded writing.

Now, I consider this "padded" writing to be poor writing because I'm a bit of a minimalist. I like quick and subtle nuances that I have to look into later. I like character development that comes out of nowhere and goes back seconds later. What Pirates 2 did was bombard me with stuff that really wasn't that important and continued to do so throughout the course of the film.

In the defense of Pirates 2, though, I'd have to say the relationship between William Turner and his father was very well written. It was such a small part of the movie (considering the runtime) and we weren't bombarded with "aw father," and "aw son!"

Just my thoughts. :D