Obama Wins Presidency

[comhcinc]

well CNN just called it for Obama.

[trunolimit]

Yep Obama took it. this is history folks. The first "black" president in the US.

[phatlip12]

I'm so proud to be an American right now.

[esophagus]

A lot of emotional folks on TV and around the world. This is definitely a historic and awesome thing.

[phatlip12]

Tears of joy.

[comhcinc]

even fox news is calling it for Obama and Rove is on right now supporting him.

poor McCain.

[phatlip12]

Rove is on right now supporting him.

It' a trap!

;)

[esophagus]

My prediction: Obama wins but by a smaller margin than everyone suspected.

Expect me to be wrong. Hopefully, wrong for the better.See? I'm no good at this. Not only did he win, but he won by a sizable amount (in the electorate, where it counts).

I'm numb with shock and joy.

[esophagus]

poor McCain.
Can't wait for his and Obama's speeches. Will be interesting to see how honest McCain gets with this.

[comhcinc]

It' a trap!

;)
maybe but i think he is really proud of that fact that a black man can get elected

[phatlip12]

See? I'm no good at this. Not only did he win, but he won by a sizable amount (in the electorate, where it counts).

I'm numb with shock and joy.


Landslide!

[comhcinc]

Can't wait for his and Obama's speeches. Will be interesting to see how honest McCain gets with this.
i can't wait for a good book about his run. should come out next year.

too bad we don't have thompson anymore.

mccain is on right now.

[samureye]

I was wondering if there would be calls for recounts, but McCain is conceding, so booya.

Also, I checked here to see (http://isobamapresident.com/) it was official.

[therage800]

Can't wait for his and Obama's speeches. Will be interesting to see how honest McCain gets with this.

McCain's giving his right now!

[esophagus]

McCain's giving his right now!
Yeah, I'm watching it. He is doing great. His fans are not.

[comhcinc]

you want to see class? watch McCain.

[phatlip12]

I really want McCain to say "You ignorant fucks are a large reason why I lost.".

[rabidbadger]

the "real" Mc Cain came back tonight.

[trunolimit]

maybe but i think he is really proud of that fact that a black man can get elected

see now I have a theory about how this first black president thing will effect black people in the community.

I think Obama just killed about 60 percent of young black kids dreams. What is the number one response you hear when a teacher calls on a black kid and ask him what does he want to be when he grows up? "I want to be the first black president" it never fails. Now that it's been done what are those kids going to do? nobody likes sloppy seconds.

On the bright side at least we Spanish people now know that it can be done.

[esophagus]

see now I have a theory about how this first black president thing will effect black people in the community.

I think Obama just killed about 60 percent of young black kids dreams. What is the number one response you hear when a teacher calls on a black kid and ask him what does he want to be when he grows up? "I want to be the first black president" it never fails. Now that it's been done what are those kids going to do? nobody likes sloppy seconds.

Are you being serious?

(I'm asking seriously. Sounds like it could be sarcasm, given the circumstances.)

[comhcinc]

i just want to point out that CNN is still the most trusted news outlet in this country.

[samureye]

see now I have a theory about how this first black president thing will effect black people in the community.

I think Obama just killed about 60 percent of young black kids dreams. What is the number one response you hear when a teacher calls on a black kid and ask him what does he want to be when he grows up? "I want to be the first black president" it never fails. Now that it's been done what are those kids going to do? nobody likes sloppy seconds.

On the bright side at least we Spanish people now know that it can be done.
I'm sorry, was that a joke?

[therage800]

Many skinhead/kkk idiots arrested for coming up with assassnation plans. Him just running brought out a few wack jobs. Just imagine how many will come up now he is going to be President for sure.

That is so sad that people like that exist.

But I wish people would just shut up about his race completely, good or bad, he is human, that is the only part of his, or McCains, or any past and future presidents, race that matters!


Edited to make my point more clear

[esophagus]

That is so sad. But I wish people would just shut up about his race completely, he is human, that is the only part of his, or McCains, or any past and future presidents, race that matters!
No, it really isn't. This is a big civil rights deal. Says a lot for where the country is going, and how far it has come.

I'm as tired of the "African-American voters live here, so he'll win that" as well, but his race definitely does matter.

[therage800]

No, it really isn't. This is a big civil rights deal. Says a lot for where the country is going, and how far it has come.

I'm as tired of the "African-American voters live here, so he'll win that" as well, but his race definitely does matter.

Just to clarify, when I said "That is so sad" I meant about the KKK and assassination attempts, I then made a second point...

As for civil rights though, in order to have equality we race can't be a factor. When people are seen as people then we will have civil rights.

[esophagus]

Just to clarify, when I said "That is so sad" I meant about the KKK and assassination attempts, I then made a second point...

As for civil rights though, in order to have equality we race can't be a factor. When people are seen as people then we will have civil rights.Yeah, I got the two points.

But I think this is an incredibly bigging stepping stone towards getting to what you're talking about. When people had slaves they couldn't just say "Hey, they're actually just like us, let's change everything." No, they had to make a progression. A progression that, like it or not, we're still making today.

I don't think that race should be a factor in voting for him or not voting for him. People should be blind in that regard. But we shouldn't ignore the fact that this race just made such a stride for the sake of not pointing out differences.

[therage800]

Yeah, I got the two points.

But I think this is an incredibly bigging stepping stone towards getting to what you're talking about. When people had slaves they couldn't just say "Hey, they're actually just like us, let's change everything." No, they had to make a progression. A progression that, like it or not, we're still making today.

I don't think that race should be a factor in voting for him or not voting for him. People should be blind in that regard. But we shouldn't ignore the fact that this race just made such a stride for the sake of not pointing out differences.

I agree and I don't. In order for my dream to come true it would take more than just Obama's race to not be a factor... I stand by my statement that true civil rights will be when we don't factor in race however that is for all currently racially motivated events. So as for Obama, I do think it's good to have a black president, which in turn is also on a broader level, is a non white president, but I dream of the day when it doesn't matter.

[esophagus]

I agree and I don't. In order for my dream to come true it would take more than just Obama's race to not be a factor... I stand by my statement that true civil rights will be when we don't factor in race however that is for all currently racially motivated events. So as for Obama, I do think it's good to have a black president, which in turn is also on a broader level, is a non white president, but I dream of the day when it doesn't matter.Yeah, I definitely agree wholeheartedly. This is just a nice step to getting to that place.

But the big picture is, we chose the right person of the two, and not the right race.

Edit: Reading that is sounds horribly racist. I didn't mean to say we chose the WRONG race, just that race wasn't the key factor here. It was Obama's ideals and politics.

[esophagus]

I think it goes without saying that Obama just made an amazing speech. Touched on all the points of his campaign (Change, Hope, and such. Not the policies.) and hit them all out of the park. Really a great way to get started. Terrific. Gah. Speechless.

Not to undermine McCain's speech though. He did a great thing tonight too.

[therage800]

Yeah, I definitely agree wholeheartedly. This is just a nice step to getting to that place.

But the big picture is, we chose the right person of the two, and not the right race.

Edit: Reading that is sounds horribly racist. I didn't mean to say we chose the WRONG race, just that race wasn't the key factor here. It was Obama's ideals and politics.

I knew exactly what you meant, so it was actually kind of funny ;) And I agree we chose the right person. Obama just gave his speech and it only reaffirmed it.

[ariastar]

Excellent speech, and the song from The Patriot playing - yeah, got me crying.

[ormis]

On my campus, after Obama passed 270, there was a huge group of kids outside, all cheering for the victory (i was one of them). It's an amazing feeling to watch an event unfold that will be in history books years from now.

[scoobydiesel]

It was very cool watching this tonite on MSNBC. yay :D

[therage800]

It was very cool watching this tonite on MSNBC. yay :D

Oh yeah, well I watched it this Wednesday afternoon on MSNBC.

[esophagus]

Oh yeah, well I watched it this Wednesday afternoon on MSNBC.And it wasn't a rerun!

[therage800]

And it wasn't a rerun!

Exactly!

[speed]

I'm actually excited to have an intelligent, reasonable man in the White House again. Jon Stewart has made the joke a number of times that the last great President that America's had was JFK. I'm actually hopeful that Obama can fill those shoes and become a great President. Not just for America's sake, but for the whole worlds.

[radzack]

Insaness.

I've had an amazing night. So wish I could have partied down with all you forum friendsssssssssss.

YES WE CAN

[trunolimit]

Are you being serious?

(I'm asking seriously. Sounds like it could be sarcasm, given the circumstances.)

nah its just a thought I had that seemed interesting.

But in all seriousness I hope his term doesn't revolve around just focusing on the black community and helping black people do this and that. This race thing can only hurt this country as a whole. He better focus on America and not just Black America.

[masherscf]

I'm so proud to be an American right now.

Are you listening to Lee Greenwood?

[trunolimit]

Yeah, I got the two points.

But I think this is an incredibly bigging stepping stone towards getting to what you're talking about. When people had slaves they couldn't just say "Hey, they're actually just like us, let's change everything." No, they had to make a progression. A progression that, like it or not, we're still making today.

I don't think that race should be a factor in voting for him or not voting for him. People should be blind in that regard. But we shouldn't ignore the fact that this race just made such a stride for the sake of not pointing out differences.

Agreed, race should not have been a factor in Obama getting elected.

[trunolimit]

Just to clarify, when I said "That is so sad" I meant about the KKK and assassination attempts, I then made a second point...

As for civil rights though, in order to have equality we race can't be a factor. When people are seen as people then we will have civil rights.

Do you really think it's even possible to pull off a successful assassination nowadays? I think anyone smart enough to plan such a thing wouldn't be stupid enough to sacrifice themselves for such a stupid reason. The past presidents who have been killed were killed because they made some radical changes. Obama will be the first black president but that's it who really cares about that enough to take him out.

And I say the assassin would be sacrificing himself because an assassination attempt on the president is a suicide mission.

[masherscf]

Agreed, race should not have been a factor in Obama getting elected.

I think that' something that only a person of color can answer.

Being a 40-year old white anglo-saxon protestant, I can say that race played no part whatsoever in my vote for Obama.

However, I did vote of Obama, in part, because I identified with him more than John McCain. Obama and I are the product of the same system of academia. I feel that Obama is more like me than John McCain is like me.

I am delighted that a person's level of perspicacity played a part in his election.

[therage800]

Do you really think it's even possible to pull off a successful assassination nowadays? I think anyone smart enough to plan such a thing wouldn't be stupid enough to sacrifice themselves for such a stupid reason. The past presidents who have been killed were killed because they made some radical changes. Obama will be the first black president but that's it who really cares about that enough to take him out.

And I say the assassin would be sacrificing himself because an assassination attempt on the president is a suicide mission.

No I don't. I actually agree with everything you said there.


I think that' something that only a person of color can answer.



Why?

[masherscf]

Why?

I was just being oratorical.

[tokenuser]

Agreed, race should not have been a factor in Obama getting elected.I hate the fact the race card gets played at all in this case.

Obama's WHITE mother was American.
Obama's BLACK father was Kenyan.

Obama was American by birth through his mother, but it makes me wonder if, as President of the United States, he could also hold a Kenyan passport because of his father?

Having said that, he isn't "African American". He is an American with a Kenyan father, who was raised in a predominantly white household (his grandparents) with half brothers and sisters. He embodies the American dream for so many people regardless of race. His family did not come from money. He worked his way through college. He fought for causes he believed in along the way, and did well for himself because of it. His father being Kenyan is a side issue. Race is a side issue. He is an American.

[xibalba]

Do you really think it's even possible to pull off a successful assassination nowadays? I think anyone smart enough to plan such a thing wouldn't be stupid enough to sacrifice themselves for such a stupid reason. The past presidents who have been killed were killed because they made some radical changes. Obama will be the first black president but that's it who really cares about that enough to take him out.

And I say the assassin would be sacrificing himself because an assassination attempt on the president is a suicide mission.

There are people dumb enough to try. Odds of a successful plot are next to zero. Won't stop people from coming up with the plan though. Stupid people don't about sacrificing themselves for something. Like it or not there are still quite a few hate filled people out there.

[bigshotprof]

Do you really think it's even possible to pull off a successful assassination nowadays? I think anyone smart enough to plan such a thing wouldn't be stupid enough to sacrifice themselves for such a stupid reason. The past presidents who have been killed were killed because they made some radical changes. Obama will be the first black president but that's it who really cares about that enough to take him out.

And I say the assassin would be sacrificing himself because an assassination attempt on the president is a suicide mission.

At the risk of ending up on the subversives list, I have to say that you have made the case against your claim quite well. The standard logic on this is that it is easy to assassinate a public figure if you are willing to trade your life for his/hers. Sadly, you don't have to be stupid to do that; you just have to be committed. "The Past Presidents who have been killed" is the wrong subset. Think about the past presidents on whom attempts have been made. Reagan was shot by a guy who wanted to meet an actress. Ford was threatened by, if memory serves, a member of the Manson family. If you don't think race is enough reasn for a person to go Travis Bickle, read "The Nat Turner Diaries." But put it inside a Playboy, you don't want to be seen with it in public.

[alaskalonewolf]

I woke up to Oprah. I just knew she'd make it happen.

[tokenuser]

As I watched the Obama acceptance speech last night, I though it was sad that they needed the sheets of bullet proof glass infront of the stage. The camera crews were very good at making sure it wsn't seen, but sometimes they slipped up.

It got me to thinking though. It wasn't a cage. It was walls. Walls with no roof.

While I am sure the area was declared a nofly zone, the event was held at night, where something like this (http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/DF-SUMMIT-XPRO/RC-BLIMPS-SUMMIT-FLYING-SAUCER.html) could stealthily come in from the sky and deliver a fatal payload.

I also have plans for a bioterrorism attack.

Kinda morbid, but they were both premises I came up with for a Ludlumesque book I might write someday :)

[alaskalonewolf]

I just didn't like the one part of the speech where he mentioned "peace and security"... they tend to be famous LAST words.

[masherscf]

I just didn't like the one part of the speech where he mentioned "peace and security"... they tend to be famous LAST words.

He was talking Jesus Peace, not Hippy Peace.

[kowgod]

It was very cool watching this tonite on MSNBC. yay :D

Oh yeah, well I watched it this Wednesday afternoon on MSNBC.

Oh yeah? Well, I was IN THE CROWD last night in Chicago!

:D

[esophagus]

Oh yeah? Well, I was IN THE CROWD last night in Chicago!

:DThat must have been absolutely amazing.

[kowgod]

That must have been absolutely amazing.

I haven't fully processed it all, yet. I'm just waiting for it to sink in, probably sometime this afternoon.

[esophagus]

I haven't fully processed it all, yet. I'm just waiting for it to sink in, probably sometime this afternoon.It will sink in years from now when it comes up in conversation as an "I remember when" sort of story.

This is one of those times in history when everyone will remember where they were at that moment.

[alaskalonewolf]

He was talking Jesus Peace...

What's the difference?

"While people are saying, 'There is peace and security,' then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape." - 1 Thessalonians 5:3

[phatlip12]

He was talking Jesus Peace, not Hippy Peace.

King of the hill reference.

[phatlip12]

When CNN showed footage of everyone dancing in the street around the country I couldn't help but think of the end of Return of the Jedi. It reminded me of the "refreshed version" where it shows everyone celebrating the collapse of the the empire in the galaxy.

The celebrations outside of the white house were very significant to me.

[ariastar]

I'm actually excited to have an intelligent, reasonable man in the White House again. Jon Stewart has made the joke a number of times that the last great President that America's had was JFK. I'm actually hopeful that Obama can fill those shoes and become a great President. Not just for America's sake, but for the whole worlds.

Know what sucks? Bobby Kennedy's assassination. White man gonna be president known for his firm stance on equal rights.

Obama's definitely got activity going on upstairs. Finally a president who doesn't look vacant.

[ariastar]

On my campus, after Obama passed 270, there was a huge group of kids outside, all cheering for the victory (i was one of them). It's an amazing feeling to watch an event unfold that will be in history books years from now.

When it was at 210 and over a dozen states left, including California (a guaranteed 55), I knew it was over.

[esophagus]

When CNN showed footage of everyone dancing in the street around the country I couldn't help but think of the end of Return of the Jedi. It reminded me of the "refreshed version" where it shows everyone celebrating the collapse of the the empire in the galaxy. A friend was telling me the exact same thing. Haha.

[tokenuser]

A friend was telling me the exact same thing. Haha.Its only fair. CNN also borrowed the hologram scenes from Star Wars too. "Help me Obi Wolf, you are our last hope for restoring balance to the coverage..."

[scoobydiesel]

i loved the whole star wars theme we seen going on

[esophagus]

Its only fair. CNN also borrowed the hologram scenes from Star Wars too. "Help me Obi Wolf, you are our last hope for restoring balance to the coverage..."There was ten minutes where I stopped caring who won the election and was just excited to live in the future. Hologram people! I'm guessing they wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars to get that up and running.

I think they should have just made everyone hologram's. An empty CNN studio full of holo-people reporting the news.

[tokenuser]

There was ten minutes where I stopped caring who won the election and was just excited to live in the future. Hologram people! I'm guessing they wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars to get that up and running.

I think they should have just made everyone hologram's. An empty CNN studio full of holo-people reporting the news.In one of the segments they had a pretty good description of what they were doing. Not exactly a hologram, but a very cool live video editting trick (only possible with a multiude of HD cameras and some funky software). Cool effect, but no hologram.

[rabidbadger]

Hollow people have been reporting the news since Cronkite retired.

[esophagus]

In one of the segments they had a pretty good description of what they were doing. Not exactly a hologram, but a very cool live video editting trick (only possible with a multiude of HD cameras and some funky software). Cool effect, but no hologram.Yeah, that's what gives me the idea that this cost so much. She talked about the construction crew that had been there for weeks setting it up.

[radzack]

CNN did an amazing job. It was a truly incredible night...and on the return of the jedi comparision. Totally!

[masherscf]

Did anyone else think it was funny when Anderson Cooper apologized for using the hologram thingy. That guy is just does not have any part of a geek in him.

[bigshotprof]

I woke up to Oprah. I just knew she'd make it happen.

PLEASE tell me you are still talking about Obama!!!!!

[bigshotprof]

It will sink in years from now when it comes up in conversation as an "I remember when" sort of story.

This is one of those times in history when everyone will remember where they were at that moment.

I am guessing that the crowd who remembers being there will be an order of magnitude larger than the crowd with whom Kow was hanging out.

[rabidbadger]

I haven't fully processed it all, yet. I'm just waiting for it to sink in, probably sometime this afternoon.

OK. afternoon is over. How was it? :D

[skyz]

Hollow people have been reporting the news since Cronkite retired.

definitely since peter jennings died

[skyz]

Did anyone else think it was funny when Anderson Cooper apologized for using the hologram thingy. That guy is just does not have any part of a geek in him.

his mother was a vanderbilt

he is def 'old old old skool'

[skyz]

I hate the fact the race card gets played at all in this case.

Obama's WHITE mother was American.
Obama's BLACK father was Kenyan.

Obama was American by birth through his mother, but it makes me wonder if, as President of the United States, he could also hold a Kenyan passport because of his father?

Having said that, he isn't "African American". He is an American with a Kenyan father, who was raised in a predominantly white household (his grandparents) with half brothers and sisters. He embodies the American dream for so many people regardless of race. His family did not come from money. He worked his way through college. He fought for causes he believed in along the way, and did well for himself because of it. His father being Kenyan is a side issue. Race is a side issue. He is an American.

exactly

he is not african american descendant of the evils of slavery

he is from a multinational family usa and kenya

i don't think the kkk is big in hawaii

as to the passport the usa does not recognize dual citizenship for usa citizens

[rabidbadger]

definitely since peter jennings died

Yeah, I totally miss Jennings subtle snark. And last night was just NOT the same without tim russert. :(

[masherscf]

King of the hill reference.

Thank you Phatty. :)

[tokenuser]

exactly

he is not african american descendant of the evils of slavery

he is from a multinational family usa and kenya

i don't think the kkk is big in hawaii

as to the passport the usa does not recognize dual citizenship for usa citizensMy cousin - Australian mother, American father. Australian passport. Dual citizenship - works as a teacher/coach in US. Could carry a US passport ... but who would want to.

No offense, but travelling internationally, you get pulled over by the local rebel army ... the US passport is a liability (although he could still get aid at a US consul, so its still the best of both worlds for him.

Scary thought. He could run for President. God help us :)

[skyz]

My cousin - Australian mother, American father. Australian passport. Dual citizenship - works as a teacher/coach in US. Could carry a US passport ... but who would want to.

No offense, but travelling internationally, you get pulled over by the local rebel army ... the US passport is a liability (although he could still get aid at a US consul, so its still the best of both worlds for him.

Scary thought. He could run for President. God help us :)

oh yes in other countries dual citizenship is recognized

it sounds kinda of cool i tried to get australian citizenship because my grandmother was visting there when my mother was born

but they say i have marry an australian :D no kidding that's what the counsalate said

so yes australia would then recognize australian and usa

but not for a US president

s/he has to be totally comitted to being a us citizen

[phatlip12]

Thank you Phatty. :)

What can I say? I love cartoons. :D

haha

[scoobydiesel]

Who doesnt love cartoons? o_O

[alaskalonewolf]

... from Star Wars too. "Help me Obi Wolf, you are our last hope for restoring balance to the coverage..."

Hahahahahaa... now that's funny.

[frthought]

Because of his Mother's age when he was born, if he was not born on U.S. soil then he is not a citizen. I find it odd that a genuine Birth Certificate (other than the Photoshop forgery that has been floating around the interweb) has never been produced. I am sure that this isn't the only part of our Constitution that will be trashed as a result of BO's administration.

[tokenuser]

Because of his Mother's age when he was born, if he was not born on U.S. soil then he is not a citizen. Care to share your birth certificate with us?

FFS - he was born in Hawaii. Last time I checked, despite the union jack in the corner of the state flag, that was considered part of the USA. The vailidity of his nomination would have been vetted by far more qualified people than armchair quarterbacks such as yourself.

Invest in Alcoa - shares in tonfoil are going through the roof.

[masherscf]

Because of his Mother's age when he was born, if he was not born on U.S. soil then he is not a citizen. I find it odd that a genuine Birth Certificate (other than the Photoshop forgery that has been floating around the interweb) has never been produced. I am sure that this isn't the only part of our Constitution that will be trashed as a result of BO's administration.

This is rich. John McCain was actually born on foreign soil. He wasn't born in the United States. McCain was born in Panama. It's a technicality that lawyers cleared before he even ran for President. Get a grip, there's nothing there.

Obama's bother was born in Kansas, she was an American citizen from the moment she was born.

Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii, Hawaii became a state in 1959.

Obama's grandfather is a freekin' US Army vet.

If that doesn't make him a American citizen from birth... Nothing does.

Obama is going to be president, that's what the Constitution says.

Trashing the Constitution and the bill of rights is a Republican past time.

[ariastar]

Because of his Mother's age when he was born, if he was not born on U.S. soil then he is not a citizen. I find it odd that a genuine Birth Certificate (other than the Photoshop forgery that has been floating around the interweb) has never been produced. I am sure that this isn't the only part of our Constitution that will be trashed as a result of BO's administration.

Pulled that out of thin air, did you not? Mom's age doesn't matter. The country you're born is your nationality. He was born in Hawaii. He's American. What's your next attempt at invalidating his campaign?


Hey, does anyone know if he could have run if born BEFORE Hawaii became a state in '59?

[ariastar]

John McCain was actually born on foreign soil. He wasn't born in the United States. McCain was born in Panama. It's a technicality that lawyers cleared before he even ran for President.

How on earth did he get to run?

[masherscf]

How on earth did he get to run?

Lawyers cleared it. He was born in the Canal Zone which was a US possession at the time. But, less that a territory and far from a state. Between the fact that Obama's mom was born in Kansas and he was Born in a Hawaii...there's no question about his citizenship status.

This is just small men grasping at shadows in order to reverse a legal election.

[phatlip12]

Because of his Mother's age when he was born, if he was not born on U.S. soil then he is not a citizen. I find it odd that a genuine Birth Certificate (other than the Photoshop forgery that has been floating around the interweb) has never been produced. I am sure that this isn't the only part of our Constitution that will be trashed as a result of BO's administration.

He was born in the United States and has produced a birth certificate. It's authenticity has been proven and the state of Hawaii confirmed his birth in the state.

Here is a high resolution version of his certificate.

Next time you vote you should do your research and be more informed.

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate/BO%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg (http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate/BO%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg)

[rabidbadger]

It is all irrelevant anyway. If you are born to US citizen anywhere you are a US citizen. Some countries allow dual citizenship to the child. some don't.

and Republican nominee Barry Goldwater was born in arizona territory before it was a state. He was "legal" so it's irrelevant if Obama had been born before Hawaii was a state.

[masherscf]

It is all irrelevant anyway. If you are born to US citizen anywhere you are a US citizen. Some countries allow dual citizenship to the child. some don't.

and Republican nominee Barry Goldwater was born in arizona territory before it was a state. He was "legal" so it's irrelevant if Obama had been born before Hawaii was a state.

Indeed, the place and date of Obama's birth are completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen. Her age isn't a factor in citizenship. His mother was born in Kansas to a U.S. Citizen. End of story.

The fact that John McCain himself was born in the Panama canal zone shows how preposterous this story is.

[rabidbadger]

I hope frthought comes back. It's been ages since we had new toy to play with. ;)

[phatlip12]

I hope frthought comes back. It's been ages since we had new toy to play with. ;)

Agreed, I want him to see the link I posted of Obamas birth certificate that he "refused to show".

:D

[therage800]

Because of his Mother's age when he was born, if he was not born on U.S. soil then he is not a citizen. I find it odd that a genuine Birth Certificate (other than the Photoshop forgery that has been floating around the interweb) has never been produced. I am sure that this isn't the only part of our Constitution that will be trashed as a result of BO's administration.

It is so pathetic when people are so stubborn they just plain lie. His mothers age? Where did that come from? I doubt this guy is even misinformed, he's just grasping at nothing.

[rabidbadger]

I hope frthought comes back. It's been ages since we had new toy to play with. ;)

I think I found him.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3013002539_f0b434ab07.jpg