5 days later... still stunned.

[rabidbadger]

I cannot believed Obama was elected. I am still stunned.

4 years ago at the Dem convention, I casually, mildly said to my self, "I sure think he would be a good President someday in the distant future. I'll pay attention to this new guy in the Senate."

Then he announced, and I thought, "Cool, kinda soon, but he's getting his feet wet, to learn the ropes for later."

Then, he was all over the web, and I thought, "great, I'm a geek, he's a geek, someday that may matter..."

Then Iowa. "WTF? White folks in the midwest, crazy!"

I was shocked when he beat the Clinton Machine, and won the nomination. I mean. "HUH? There is NO WAY this 'kid' can survive the republican slime machine, and navigate the swiftboater mentality."

Then the convention. "Why am I crying? young black guy? In AMERICA? NOW? not a friggen prayer."

Republican convention, McCain Palin, and a token vid from W. "Wow, they don't really wanna win against an easily beatable newbie?"

Internet goes crazy, wait for "October Surprise." Nothing.


Wait, what, He might win? Huh, NO WAY, The repubs are gonna either do something drastic, or putz with the machines.


Tuesday. Pensylvania. Florida!!! OHIO!!!!! WTF!

Announcement. President Elect Obama.

How did that just happen?

[ariastar]

How? People got tired of being fucked over and don't want someone in office who is likely to keep this country on the same path that's caused so much destruction and harm.

Helps that McCain's VP choice is an even bigger idiot than Bush.

[bigshotprof]

Here's a question for a left coaster. Do you think the fact that his victory came so early and so completely that it might have had a subtle effect on turnout in CA, which might have had an effect on prop8?

[phatlip12]

I'm still shocked. Every time I think about it my heart grows three times (Grinch style) with pride. I'm so proud to say I'm an American. I mean, yeah, I was proud to be an American before. But now? Wow, I actually feel it. I started loosing hope and Obama gave it back.

This country has it's problems. TONS of them. But this is the best damn country in the world in my opinion. Our system WORKS and as time goes on we'll continue to fix our problems. We'll grow stronger and stronger.

As an American citizen to the rest of the world:

We're back and we're ALL looking forward to working with you to build a better tomorrow.

[esophagus]

I'm not a particularly big fan of American sensationalism. Especially not after the last 8 years.

[phatlip12]

I'm not a particularly big fan of American sensationalism. Especially not after the last 8 years.

Yeah, the last 8 years sucked. But over a period of 24 hours on November 4th, we changed the world forever.

We proved to the world that while it's true our government has it's flaws, it works. We proved to the world that we have brass balls. That I'm proud of.

[therage800]

I'm not a particularly big fan of American sensationalism. Especially not after the last 8 years.

I'm not either. And I'm an American.

[bigshotprof]

Yeah, the last 8 years sucked. But over a period of 24 hours on November 4th, we changed the world forever.

We proved to the world that while it's true our government has it's flaws, it works. We proved to the world that we have brass balls. That I'm proud of.

I'm going to hold my breath on having changed the world. 2/3 of the California African Americans who are telling their children anyone can be anything in America, forgot to tell their children--that's unless you are gay and what you want to be is married.

[phatlip12]

I'm going to hold my breath on having changed the world. 2/3 of the California African Americans who are telling their children anyone can be anything in America, forgot to tell their children--that's unless you are gay and what you want to be is married.

You can't expect everything to change at once though. This is huge progress. This DID change the world. It didn't make everything perfect and fix every other problem, but this does change things.

[xfuuey]

Did this post really need a new thread? :rolleyes:

[esophagus]

You can't expect everything to change at once though. This is huge progress. This DID change the world. It didn't make everything perfect and fix every other problem, but this does change things.How did this change the world? I can see how this changed things up for your own country, but how has it changed the world (other than changing America's image)?

(Looking for serious discussion, I'm sure we're all aware I'm a fan of Obama and think he probably will change the world. When he is actually president.)

[phatlip12]

How did this change the world? I can see how this changed things up for your own country, but how has it changed the world (other than changing America's image)?

(Looking for serious discussion, I'm sure we're all aware I'm a fan of Obama and think he probably will change the world. When he is actually president.)

Because like it or not, we're a super power (currently the strongest) and anything that changes in our country is going to effect the rest of the world.

To give you an example, Ahmadinejad actually congratulated Obama on his victory. That hasn't happened since the 70's. I view him congratulating Obama as the start of much diplomatic progress we're going to make with Iran as a result of Obama being ellected a few days ago.

[esophagus]

Because like it or not, we're a super power (currently the strongest) and anything that changes in our country is going to effect the rest of the world.

To give you an example, Ahmadinejad actually congratulated Obama on his victory. That hasn't happened since the 70's. I view him congratulating Obama as the start of much diplomatic progress we're going to make with Iran as a result of Obama being ellected a few days ago.Right, so far what you have done is change the image of America to the rest of the world.

In the long run that will help change other things in the world, but so far it isn't (to my knowledge).

[radzack]

5 days later...still stunned

That's what she said

[radzack]

That's what she said

or he...

[tokenuser]

Because like it or not, we're a super power (currently the strongest) and anything that changes in our country is going to effect the rest of the world.Strongest superpower? I'd dispute that ... take a looka ta whats going on in China (and who holds the purse strings for most of the US treasury debt). Doe superpower have any meaning anymore?

To give you an example, Ahmadinejad actually congratulated Obama on his victory. That hasn't happened since the 70's. I view him congratulating Obama as the start of much diplomatic progress we're going to make with Iran as a result of Obama being ellected a few days ago.Interesting story on Weekend Edition on NPR about the Ahmadinejad congratulations. The middle east no longer have a "John Smith" (generic anglo name) to demonise. Barrack Hussein Obama is not a name they can point to as the devil incarnate. That in itself has caused a change in attitude. The fact Obama is coming in as a diplomat and not someone who want to play soldier is also helping.

We live in interesting times.

[gta_bmx]

How? People got tired of being fucked over and don't want someone in office who is likely to keep this country on the same path that's caused so much destruction and harm.

Helps that McCain's VP choice is an even bigger idiot than Bush.


:) Palin got owned by Katie Couric. And Couric wasn't even really asking super tough questions -- it was like one step or 2 above the usual arse-kissing that most of the talking head journalist types engage in. So I guess Palin owned herself by merely opening her mouth and attempting to be coherent.

Plus throw in Palin's questionable ethics, lack of experience, and being on the wrong side of most policy issues.

I was really getting sick and tired of hearing all the fluff pieces by idiotic journalists about "what an attractive candidate Palin is". A lot of them just focused on her looks, charisma, and charming family instead of focusing on her stances on the issues.

[rabidbadger]

charming family? if Chelsea got knocked up in the 80's, then all hell woulda broke loose.

[gta_bmx]

charming family? if Chelsea got knocked up in the 80's, then all hell woulda broke loose.

Especially since Chelsea was only born in 1980, so getting knocked up in the 1980's would mean she was only 9 at the time. :) lol. But I know you meant the 1990's.

Yeah it's hypocritical that a right wing type like Palin preaches family values and their 17 year goes and gets knocked up. It could be that Palin was a great mother who taught the daughter right, but the daughter did it anyway. However, all the great parents I know all have kids who didn't get knocked up at 17. They waited until they were in their 20's/30's after marriage.

Palin's squeaky voiced hockey mom act was annoying. It wouldn't have been so annoying had it not been accompanied by her questionable ethics, stands on the issues, etc.. Her voice is like fingernails down a chalkboard.

[masherscf]

Yeah it's hypocritical that a right wing type like Palin preaches family values and their 17 year goes and gets knocked up. It could be that Palin was a great mother who taught the daughter right, but the daughter did it anyway. However, all the great parents I know all have kids who didn't get knocked up at 17. They waited until they were in their 20's/30's after marriage.

I think the issue is that Palin espouses the abstinence only policy. This policy was not only a clear failure in her own family, but there's a lot of evidence that Palin herself had sexual relations before she was married.

It doesn't bode well for a candidate for chief executive when they promote a policy because of ideology while ignore a profound personal history the failure of that policy.

Sarah Palin seems a perfectly charming person. My main complaint was how out-of-step she is with most of America. But, this abstinence only policy is more than that, it's out-of-step with reality.

[bigshotprof]

Especially since Chelsea was only born in 1980, so getting knocked up in the 1980's would mean she was only 9 at the time. :) lol.

She is from Arkansas.

[tokenuser]

She is from Arkansas.Bill and Hill are cousins?

[masherscf]

Bill and Hill are cousins?

Chelsea is pretty lucky. She's got her father's looks and her Mom's brains.

[alaskalonewolf]

Not to change the subject, but here's a five day long stunner...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYwpVnJRGy0

...man, WTF is really going on?!?!

[flannagan]

lol, the Thrilla in Manilla.

Man, Palin's daughters look pretty good.

[phatlip12]

Man, Palin's daughters look pretty good.

Daughters? Only one of which is of legal age...and prego.


http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/pedo-bear-seal-of-approval.thumbnail.png

[alaskalonewolf]

Trust me after this, I don't think any of them will be dating until they turn 18.