Episode 87 - Fisticuffs [Discussion]

[tylerhowarth]

We try to get a modicum of consolation from Quantum of Solace. Shooter showdown with Resistance 2 vs. Gears of War 2! Plus, who wants to see a Slumdog Millionaire?

Watch and Download the entire episode Here! (http://revision3.com/trs/fisticuffs/)

[damnedeyez]

And now I understand why it took Steve so long to do the intro this week...

[dolson]

For Alex's controller problems with the PS3, he could just buy a USB PC controller that mimics the 360 controller.

Pretty much any standard USB pad will work on the PS3.

The Chillstream by Logitech is reported to work, and feel similar to the 360 controller:

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/32031837-2-200-0.gif

http://reviews.cnet.com/game-accessories/logitech-chillstream-pc/4505-10110_7-32031837.html?tag=api&subj=re



Jeff hates the constant dying and redoing and dumb AI of R2, so I can't wait to see his review of Mirror's Edge, considering I died very little in R2, especially compared to Mirror's Edge. Guess we'll have to wait until next week. I've got my eye on you, Jeffrey Cannata...

I am a bit sick of hearing how the weapons appear right before the bosses. Sure, in some cases, that's true, but there were several times where I didn't even find the LAARK until after a big fight, or whatever... But overall, I agree that the single-player campaign was hurt - and not as good or as long as Resistance: Fall of Man. The co-op mode is the best part of the game, though... Sad that the three of them didn't play it together, though.

[damnedeyez]

Zip Zop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqLv9js3L_U)...my face is ripped to shreds.


I used to listen to my parents Bill Cosby records growing up too...even got most of them and more on cd now.

[mrpopular]

Now i kinda wanna see the bond movie.. i do love action movies..

Gears is so much Fun. Everything about it looks great.

and Omg watched the trailer to Special.. That looks like a fun movie.. I'm gonna see if i can see it over the weekend.. Which i won't because living in Hicksville Michigan. I'll have to drive to Detroit lol

[sigmaecho]

Here's the Who Wants to be a Millionaire Movie trivia flash game that they were playing if anyone is interested:

http://www.cool-movie-trivia.com/Flash/CMTMillion.html

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[lrsk]

Now that "Meh" is a word (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/11/heh-meh-is-the-word-officially.php), I'd like to use it to describe Quantum of Solace. Action was fun though.

[chris-taran]

Now I really want to know the answer to "In which movie do we see singing Japanese high school girls in a nightclub?" if for no reason then out of pure curiosity.

I just can't seem to picture it in any of those movies. Maybe Blade, but I still can't even picture that.

[trsjeff]

I am a bit sick of hearing how the weapons appear right before the bosses. Sure, in some cases, that's true, but there were several times where I didn't even find the LAARK until after a big fight, or whatever...

I'm not even talking about the boss fights. EVERY checkpoint had the exact right weapon that was necessary to finish that section. Oh, look at that, a shotgun right at the checkpoint, guess there'll be some invisible dudes coming right up. Hey, a weapon with a scope. Sure can bet some enemies to snipe right around the corner. LAME.

-Jeff

[trsjeff]

Zip Zop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqLv9js3L_U)...my face is ripped to shreds.


I used to listen to my parents Bill Cosby records growing up too...even got most of them and more on cd now.

AWESOME.

But, am I misremembering it? He never said "How do it know?" Could have sworn that was part of the bit.

-Jeff

[heyseuss]

Now I really want to know the answer to "In which movie do we see singing Japanese high school girls in a nightclub?" if for no reason then out of pure curiosity.

I just can't seem to picture it in any of those movies. Maybe Blade, but I still can't even picture that.

I don't even know what context this question is in (haven't seen the episode yet), but it's probbly Kill Bill.

[dolson]

I'm not even talking about the boss fights. EVERY checkpoint had the exact right weapon that was necessary to finish that section. Oh, look at that, a shotgun right at the checkpoint, guess there'll be some invisible dudes coming right up. Hey, a weapon with a scope. Sure can bet some enemies to snipe right around the corner. LAME.

-Jeff

You sound like Garnet Lee. ;) lol

And I still disagree.. There are all sorts of weapons laying all over the place, especially the further you are in the game. At least that was my experience. Your complaint comes up over and over again, though, in reviews and podcasts (particularly from 1UP).

I suspect the two-weapon limit is probably the cause of this. Maybe if they would have just left the weapon wheel in, people wouldn't even be noticing where ammo was being picked up.

And had they taken care to place weapons in all the wrong places, people would be complaining about that. Insomniac can't win here - I don't know why they bothered changing the formula that worked so well in Resistance: Fall of Man and the Ratchet & Clank Future games.

Maybe I noticed it less because I didn't look around for weapons that I don't favor. I stick with the Bullseye Mk II and the Carbine, for the most part, and the Auger when available, and I killed most every enemy with no problems with those guns.

Your other complaint was that you died a lot. I heard that a lot too. There were some cheap deaths near the beginning (the "lava", as Garnet would say, and the invisible guys) but once you begin to notice that the invisible guys made a specific noise, and could be seen slightly, it became second nature to look for that faint silhouette and just shoot. Then again, you shouldn't have died from those guys at all, since you knew they were coming on account of the shotguns being conveniently placed, right? ;)

I found R2 in normal difficulty to be a *lot* easier and shorter than Resistance: Fall of Man, and I played that in baby/sissy/pansy/easy mode. Probably has to do with the controls being vastly improved.

Aaaaanyhow. It's funny that you mentioned Haze. I actually had the thought when I was playing R2. The part with the scientist reminded me of "Skincoat" Marino for some reason... I wish they would have put more focus on the single-player game. It was a little disappointing to me, though I loved the ending.

Another game that reminds me of Haze is Mirror's Edge, because I liked the demos for both games, and yet the retail copies disppointed immensely. Mirror's Edge even moreso than Haze. But that's next week's topic. :)

[rhinohelix]

I don't even know what context this question is in (haven't seen the episode yet), but it's probbly Kill Bill.

I am fairly certain this is Blade, where Blade and the human doctor follow the vampire familiar who had been sent to kill her into the yakuza bar.

[chris-taran]

I am fairly certain this is Blade, where Blade and the human doctor follow the vampire familiar who had been sent to kill her into the yakuza bar.

Turns out it is indeed Blade, found this YouTube clip featuring said scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PLj5CmGUrI

[gojira]

Unfortunately Animal Crossing Wii does seem to be more of the same. I loved the Gamecube and DS games and I'm very disappointed that the Wii version has basically zero new content. That being said, I will probably own the game at some point. If I don't get it for Xmas this year, then I'll probably decide to buy it some time down the road. Just because it's the same game doesn't mean it's not a good game. Besides, my girlfriend (who hasn't played any AC before) may enjoy the game as well.

[mier]

I'm going to help the TRS guys with Quantum of Solace.

Both of those flicks were a reboot of the series and it's the introduction of the new villain for the movies to come. Quantum is the new SPECTRE and they will be a force of evil in the world.

That's what these two movies were about and I believe they did a good job. I look forward to the next movie and I hope they don't pull out their new Blofeld to early.

[heyseuss]

In the 70's my dad sat next to Bill Cosby on a plane and they buddied up and played tennis together when they landed.

[trsjeff]

You sound like Garnet Lee. ;) lol

:)

Well, I did send Garnett an email after I listened to Yours saying that he pegged exactly my issue. I had "learn by dying" in my review notes before he used the exact same phrase on Yours. What can I say... great minds think alike. ;)

I do want to continue this topic after next week's Mirror's Edge review. I think we'll have lots more to discuss. :)

-Jeff

[spanca]

Once again, Jeff proves himself awesome with his opinions (I remember being one of the few to agree with you about Mass Effect last year). Couldn't agree more with what you said on QoS. I didn't really understand what Alex was trying to say though. Bond not being realistic enough? Had he not seen any of the 20 movies before CR? And even when you guys pointed that out (with the landing with perfect hair comment), he said he just disagrees?!

Not trying to argue with his opinion, as it's just that (and the "good not great" view is a pretty common one for QoS), but his reasoning doesn't really make sense.

[airbase]

Jeff, nice subtle reference to UHF :)

[heyseuss]

Jeff, nice subtle reference to UHF :)

Hey, I had shoes named after you in about 1990.

[summx]

kind of a good ep. The intro was awesome as well as the video game segment. The who wants to be a millionaire thing was weaksauce, luckily they're interesting enough to keep me from fast-forwarding it.

[summx]

im really surprised no one touched the jeff performing "lip service" comment. Alex looked like he wanted to say something but let it go.

[spanca]

im really surprised no one touched the jeff performing "lip service" comment. Alex looked like he wanted to say something but let it go.

There was nothing wrong with Jeff's comment; 'lip service' is a common phrase. It was Dan's "while you're lip servicing things" comment that set Alex off, and myself I must admit.

[dolson]

Well, I did send Garnett an email after I listened to Yours saying that he pegged exactly my issue. I had "learn by dying" in my review notes before he used the exact same phrase on Yours. What can I say... great minds think alike. ;)

I do want to continue this topic after next week's Mirror's Edge review. I think we'll have lots more to discuss. :)

-Jeff

Ah, crap. I can never remember if there's two Ts in Garnett or just one, and I'm generally too lazy to look it up. No disrespect meant to him if he reads this (or if David reads this and tells on me).

I shouldn't forget now, though. I made a little rhyme out of it. "Two Ts in Garnett Lee!" There's also bells ringing at the end of that, but I don't know how to write bells in text.

[damnedeyez]

AWESOME.

But, am I misremembering it? He never said "How do it know?" Could have sworn that was part of the bit.

-Jeff


That does sound familiar, but I couldn't say if it's from that bit, a different bit, or another take on that bit from a different album.

[king_hippo]

I love the show but have to call out Alex, I know you have a BMW to pay for but, I am beginning to think that the white polo you wore in at least the last two episodes is your only shirt. At least jeff wears the Roloff shirt every other show. But I can't complain too much because cricket season appears to be over.

---pants

[wideawakewesley]

I do want to continue this topic after next week's Mirror's Edge review. I think we'll have lots more to discuss. :)

-Jeff

It's definitely a good discussion point. I had a nice chat to Dan about it and he's definitely on the other side of the fence (probably why he loved R2 so much), where he seems happy to learn a game through dying (e.g. Stuntman Ignition and Mirror's Edge).

Personally, I can take it in some games (I liked Stuntman), but sometimes it annoys me (Mirror's Edge demo).

Wes

[lik]

fucking amazing intro Steve!

[gm_wil]

great episode . . . Steve, ya know when you do this much work in an episode yer forever doomed to keep it up . . . and the time you spent was greatly appreciated . . .

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[gr3yg0053]

Not a big video game guy, the only system i currently have is the DS, just dont really have the time. But the guys seemed a little taken aback by something that happened in Gears, just wondering what it was???

[yssman]

Ha, I haven't been around in a while. Crazy times in Michigan!

Good time, as always, and I'd have to say you guys hit the nail on the head with Quantum of Solace. It was good, not bad, but not that great. I got my jazz with the comments over American Foreign Policy throught the movie, others may like it for other reasons. Either way, it sets up for another sequel that should be pretty interesting. We'll see what happens.

Gears 2?

Not that interested. I think I'm the only guy I know who is like that. I didn't care much for the first, so I'm decidedly "meh" on this one.

[dinoyum]

What do you guys think is the best James Bond film?
See how these James Bond movies would do head to head...
http://www.bracketeers.com/matchup.php?id=139

[summx]

Not a big video game guy, the only system i currently have is the DS, just dont really have the time. But the guys seemed a little taken aback by something that happened in Gears, just wondering what it was???

GEARS 2 SPOILERS!



One of the main characters is looking for his wife during this war and he eventually finds her and it's pretty disturbing because she is all emaciated and dying. She is actually converting in to some kind of locust animal thing so he has to kill her while she is lying in his arms.

[id10t]

Dan may not have been offended by Jeff's comment that Dan's views are "shitty", but I think he deserves an apology, considering they are a team.

[quence]

Jeff's explanation of Groundhog Day games made me laugh, because that's EXACTLY what old school Mega Man games are, and I love them. Yet I don't think I don't think I can tolerate it as much in modern games for some reason. I guess it's easier to forgive as a staple of the past.

I'm currently playing Animal Crossing Wii, and sadly it's true, it's pretty much just a combination of the GameCube and DS versions (which themselves are just upgrades of the original N64 version released in Japan only). However, the online voice chat stuff is pretty fun, so I'd recommend it if you're new to the series, or if you're a Nintendo addict/sucker like I am.

Also, was Quantum of Solace's plot really incredibly confusing, or am I just terrible at following movies? I loved Casino Royale, but I honestly couldn't say what my opinion of Quantum was after walking out. The positive reviews made me want to watch it again and try to pay closer attention.

[trsjeff]

Dan may not have been offended by Jeff's comment that Dan's views are "shitty", but I think he deserves an apology, considering they are a team.

I'm sorry, Dan.

-Jeff

[dannyt]

Apology accepted, Jeff. We can finally be friends again :)

d

[damnedeyez]

Forums: Bringing estranged hosts back together again.

[heyseuss]

Forums: Bringing estranged hosts back together again.

They might be back together, but they're still pretty stranged.

[damnedeyez]

They might be back together, but they're still pretty stranged.
Doubly so, even.

[gm_wil]

I saw them knitting while waiting for their stamps to dry when scrapbooking - they are good.

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[heyseuss]

I saw them knitting while waiting for their stamps to dry when scrapbooking - they are good.

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They also are both wearing the same heart shaped locket with a pic of each other in it. BFF's !