Episode 88 - Twick [Discussion]

[tylerhowarth]

Is Mirror's Edge worth a leap of faith? Which one of us will be Left 4 Dead? The new Need for Speed: just Burnout for babies? Is Special special? Should u c JCVD?

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[chuckles]

We have had some reports of aborted downloads. If you're experiencing this, it will be super helpful if you can private message me, with a traceroute to bitcast-a.bitgravity.com along with your current IP, OS, file format (HD, Large h264, etc. etc.) and what you're using to download the file.

Thanks in advance.

-chuckles-

[mramirez]

i think that mirrors edge could be better if they gave you a pistol

[mrpopular]

Great episode

I'm so jealous that you got to see Special. Living in Michigan.. I expect the only time i'll be able to see it, is when it hits DVD.

Mirrors edge was no fun.. Left 4 dead was fun w/ 4 peeps

[tokenuser]

Great episode

I'm so jealous that you got to see Special. Living in Michigan.. I expect the only time i'll be able to see it, is when it hits DVD.

Mirrors edge was no fun.. Left 4 dead was fun w/ 4 peepsSpecial has been released on On-Demand (Movies On Demand and HD On Demand ) on Time Warner Cable. Worth looking for.

[hyphycheese]

Left 4 Dead has been a real time sucker, lots of fun with that one.
And so glad Jeff mentioned Six Feet Under. As soon as they read the email I was hoping one of them would choose that. I still have that final episode saved on my HD in case I'm ever feeling too happy. That show is totally worth watching all the way through just for that one episode.

[damnedeyez]

Nice intro...I just watched the last 2/3 of that movie again last week.


I think my favourite finally was and still is M*A*S*H

[dolson]

I don't know what could replace The Shield...
*cough*
http://blog.meevee.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/22/soa_02pilot_5165_2.jpg
*cough*
Nope, no idea...

[AnthonyUSN]

I've only played the demo for Mirror's Edge, but aside from the HUGE leaps from building to building, the parkour is pretty accurate. I used to do parkour and I was one of the original members of California's first and now largest parkour crew PKCALI. Playing the game brought back alot of memories and it makes me want to do parkour again lol

[dolson]

I've only played the demo for Mirror's Edge, but aside from the HUGE leaps from building to building, the parkour is pretty accurate. I used to do parkour and I was one of the original members of California's first and now largest parkour crew PKCALI. Playing the game brought back alot of memories and it makes me want to do parkour again lol

The demo was fun.

The retail game was utter shit. I said this all along. Play the demo over and over again, save your money. Or rent it - or at the most, wait for a used or bargain-bin copy.

Trust Alex and Jeff on this one... And me, even though you don't know me.

[cashoutcurse]

Special has been out for like 2 years...

[ryan79]

I can't believe the guys didn't mention the last episode of Quantum Leap. If that didn't choke you up, you're hollow and dead on the inside.

[martinsmartin]

Why is Dan wearing his shirt inside out?

[brodel]

I don't know what could replace The Shield...
*cough*

*cough*
Nope, no idea...

I watched the first three episodes of this and thought it was ok. I thought it had potential, but nothing grabbed me. I figured I would wait a while and pick it back up later when I could catch up on a bunch all at once. I'm still only on season 5 of the shield though, so I don't know when I'll get to it.

[royterp]

That was perhaps their best Movies section yet, and if there's ever a question as to why I love this show, I will point to that segment. It was an incredibly smart, insightful, passionate discussion among all three guys about two lesser-known movies. The show has reached a certain maturity and the guys know their audience to such an extent that blowing off blockbusters Bolt and Twilight in favor of two independent films is not only acceptable but almost expected. Last week they reviewed QoS and next week is Australia, so "big movies" certainly aren't ignored; in fact, it's the ease with which they can traverse (!) across genre and scale of film that is so appealing. Bravo, sirs!

Left 4 Dead looks like so much fun! A friend of mine is trying to make me buy it for the PC over Steam, but I might just have to get it for the 360 after seeing that segment. (Sorry, Keaven!)

As for finales, Newhart still ranks among the most surprising and hysterically brilliant of all time even though I, like Dan, am a sucker for the weepy curtain-call endings a lot of sitcoms have.

Great show guys, and keep up the fantastic work!

-Roy

PS-
Why is Dan wearing his shirt inside out?
I noticed that, too! My guess would be that there was something green on it which would have made it distractingly invisible/see-through during the show.

[frankiethewaffle]

That was perhaps their best Movies section yet, and if there's ever a question as to why I love this show, I will point to that segment. It was an incredibly smart, insightful, passionate discussion among all three guys about two lesser-known movies. The show has reached a certain maturity and the guys know their audience to such an extent that blowing off blockbusters Bolt and Twilight in favor of two independent films is not only acceptable but almost expected. Last week they reviewed QoS and next week is Australia, so "big movies" certainly aren't ignored; in fact, it's the ease with which they can traverse (!) across genre and scale of film that is so appealing. Bravo, sirs!

Left 4 Dead looks like so much fun! A friend of mine is trying to make me buy it for the PC over Steam, but I might just have to get it for the 360 after seeing that segment. (Sorry, Keaven!)

As for finales, Newhart still ranks among the most surprising and hysterically brilliant of all time even though I, like Dan, am a sucker for the weepy curtain-call endings a lot of sitcoms have.

Great show guys, and keep up the fantastic work!

-Roy

PS-

I noticed that, too! My guess would be that there was something green on it which would have made it distractingly invisible/see-through during the show.

Ah yes. It had to be the green screen thing of the Gameboy shirt. But he was wearing it at the opening. I dunno. I hope Nintendo hasn't come down on stuff like this for copyright stuff. It will remain a mystery.

[damn-randall]

I don't see why Nintendo would see it fit to pursue anything just because of the shirt.

Some people block out logos ("Greeking") to avoid legal troubles. From what I understand, though, it's perfectly ok as long as it's not the center of the scene. That means the shirt is ok because Dan is just wearing it, but if they were pretending to play a game on his shirt or something like that, it might, MIGHT, be an issue. Also, as long as they weren't doing anything that would put Nintendo in a negative light, it's ok.

I wouldn't say that the image of a 1989 Game Boy is in the public domain (is it? I don't know), but I'm pretty sure it falls under the fair use guidelines.

[diane]

As for finales, Newhart still ranks among the most surprising and hysterically brilliant of all time even though I, like Dan, am a sucker for the weepy curtain-call endings a lot of sitcoms have.


I have to agree with that one. Him waking up next to Suzanne Pleshette was just perfect.

And I as for Star Trek, sorry, the best is the original. It is campy yet hopeful, and has the sexiest logical person ever, Spock. Yummy. Granted he is old enough to be my grandfather now, but I have high hopes that Quinto might give me a more age appropriate version of Spock to crush on.

[yssman]

Geat Ep guys...

Where was the Twilight review? (har har har)

Shhhhh, I read the book just so I know what the hell is going on...

RE: Need for Speed

I have to say that I agree more with Dan on the issue with the NFS games. EA has been either directly on-target with the titles, or not even close. I'd care to argue that Undercover and its most-recent predecessor Pro Street (?) have to go back into the "crap" pile. There was something special about Most Wanted, particularly with the openness of the world, but to be completely honest, I think the most successful of the games were the Underground titles from back in the early 2000's.

At least with those games there was some effective ways in which you could tune your cars for noticeable differences in performance. Plus, it was fun tinkering with the look as well. The addition of the drift element was otherwise revolutionary at the time, much easier than its semi-similar system that was in Gran Turismo 2 much earlier.

I don't know. Jeff is well aware that I'm a bit of a racing game snob, but I just don't think the NFS titles are that much fun anymore. Personally, I'd like to see them go back to the old ways that were more like how Project Gotham are today... Quasi-sim arcade racers that are more about driving stupidly fast in stupidly expensive cars through beautiful locations.

*sigh*

...The good ol' days...

[quence]

Just have to mention the finale of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Really great, but kinda depressing.

[jay_ray]

Mirror's Edge is new, brilliant, and exhilarating. It is a game that moves the first person genre forward. It has problems, it won't click for everyone, but if you can get your mind around the controls and the ingenious level design you'll have fun with it. There is no game like it, at all, so it asks the player to invest in learning it, that most people won't bother, which brings me to a deeper problem in the video game industry.

The reason we have no true innovations in this medium is because the average gamer doesn't want new, they want slightly improved upon. They want the next Gears, the next IW CoD game, they want the same game but slightly improved A.I., graphics, weapons, etc. And the only way a new IP/game concept can succeed is if the publisher dumps loads of advertising money behind it (Assassin's Creed) or it is nearly flawless in execution (Portal). Mirror's Edge with the way it has been reported to be selling doesn't give a clear green light for sequels. Mirror's Edge poor selling will show other publishers not to green light games in the future that are first person that do not have the main character attached to a gun. If you want new IP's or new styles/types of games you need to support the risk takers. I'm not saying to out right buy, or love every new original game, but at least try them, experience them first hand, if you don't like them fine move on to a different game, but take pride in knowing you did try supporting a developer/publisher who took a giant risk in an age where risks don't usually succeed.

On that note, Valkyria Chronicles and the Yakuza series are mind blowingly awesome. Valkyria Chronicles was just released in North America and Yakuza 2 was released in Sept. (Yakuza 1 was released in 2006). Yakuza was completely overlooked even though it has one of the best stories in video games and the gameplay is brilliant, a RPG brawler = awesome. Valykria Chronicles looks like it'll be overlooked even though it's possibly the best RPG of 2008, a strategy 3rd person shooter RPG. These games are worth looking into again if only to support new original games.

/rant

[trsjeff]

Mirror's Edge is new, brilliant, and exhilarating. It is a game that moves the first person genre forward. It has problems, it won't click for everyone, but if you can get your mind around the controls and the ingenious level design you'll have fun with it. There is no game like it, at all, so it asks the player to invest in learning it, that most people won't bother, which brings me to a deeper problem in the video game industry.

The reason we have no true innovations in this medium is because the average gamer doesn't want new, they want slightly improved upon. They want the next Gears, the next IW CoD game, they want the same game but slightly improved A.I., graphics, weapons, etc. And the only way a new IP/game concept can succeed is if the publisher dumps loads of advertising money behind it (Assassin's Creed) or it is nearly flawless in execution (Portal). Mirror's Edge with the way it has been reported to be selling doesn't give a clear green light for sequels. Mirror's Edge poor selling will show other publishers not to green light games in the future that are first person that do not have the main character attached to a gun. If you want new IP's or new styles/types of games you need to support the risk takers. I'm not saying to out right buy, or love every new original game, but at least try them, experience them first hand, if you don't like them fine move on to a different game, but take pride in knowing you did try supporting a developer/publisher who took a giant risk in an age where risks don't usually succeed.

On that note, Valkyria Chronicles and the Yakuza series are mind blowingly awesome. Valkyria Chronicles was just released in North America and Yakuza 2 was released in Sept. (Yakuza 1 was released in 2006). Yakuza was completely overlooked even though it has one of the best stories in video games and the gameplay is brilliant, a RPG brawler = awesome. Valykria Chronicles looks like it'll be overlooked even though it's possibly the best RPG of 2008, a strategy 3rd person shooter RPG. These games are worth looking into again if only to support new original games.

/rant


A couple of things. If Mirror's Edge had been consistently new, brilliant, and exhilarating, rather than sporadically so, I would be behind you. The problem is that for all its innovation, the designers were still tied to the old shooter paradigm, and the game is more often frustrating than sublime. There is no reason there should have been guns at all in the game. What if... what if the AI was smart enough to attempt to block your path, instead of just taking potshots at an unarmed young girl? What if they could see you were going for a specific route, yelled "She's going to jump off the pipe!" and then tried to dismantle the pipe? It would have been dynamic, felt more like a chase, and transcended the tired old shooter genre.

Also, it is my sincere goal to review Valkyria Chronicles on the show. Working on it.

-Jeff

[virux280]

I would have to agree about Mirror's Edge. I wanted to fall in love with that game so badly yet it kept punishing me and punishing me came to a point where I had to put my controller down and just take a breather. I thought at least what they could of done is given all the officers with pistols a baton and work its way up. The Machine Gun in the game is broken. I have no ideal how you guys were able to beat the game without using a weapon I couldn't even do it without one chapter. Cut scenes didn't bug as much thought it was an interesting attempt I can see why they did it trying to keep things different so when you do go in to game play you're still in AWE with the surroundings. Well thats just my take on it anyways.

[forbizzle]

I think if you needed to pick 1 game to represent this generation of console gaming, it might have to be Left4Dead. There are many other games that are probably better, or show off more distinct advancements in gaming, but L4D seems to be a microcosm of next-gen.

I'm not really a big fan of zombie games, but they seem to be everywhere these days. AI developments, co-op play and asymmetrical multiplayer elements showcase this age in game development better than anything I can think of.

I just wish it was bundled with something like Portal 2 (though if you know Valve time, that won't be due for at least 2 years).

[jasoncantlogon]

Excellent Episode.

I'm really looking forward to watching JCVD and Special.

Definitely lots of fun watching you guys play Left for Dead. I was pretty excited about that game but I am slightly worried now. Is it just room and area after area of random running zombies? I get the thrill of the speed and number of them, but it actually seems too fast. I don't know, maybe it is just me.

I can't believe the Shield is over.

[dolson]

I watched the first three episodes of this and thought it was ok. I thought it had potential, but nothing grabbed me. I figured I would wait a while and pick it back up later when I could catch up on a bunch all at once. I'm still only on season 5 of the shield though, so I don't know when I'll get to it.

I wasn't really hooked immediately either, but it gets consistently better and better, and it will make it easier to live without the Shield next season.

Take your time. Hopefully SOA will be around for a long time. I also prefer to watch shows in seasons, as waiting for the next episode or season always sucks.

[mrpopular]

Special has been released on On-Demand (Movies On Demand and HD On Demand ) on Time Warner Cable. Worth looking for.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to check and see.

[cybersuchus]

Alex - In regard to the Need for Speed review, I'd suggest replaying some of the original ps1 and Sega CD games (e.g. Night Trap, Jurassic Park, Sewer Shark - sorry Dan, but it was a pretty bad game). Full Motion Video cutscenes have always - without exception - sucked. When I heard NFS was going to have these in them, I knew right off the bat, that they would suck (even before the announcement that non-actor Christina Millian would be in them). No one has ever gotten real world cutscenes to work in games; which is why no one bothers with them anymore.

[dolson]

Alex - In regard to the Need for Speed review, I'd suggest replaying some of the original ps1 and Sega CD games (e.g. Night Trap, Jurassic Park, Sewer Shark - sorry Dan, but it was a pretty bad game). Full Motion Video cutscenes have always - without exception - sucked. When I heard NFS was going to have these in them, I knew right off the bat, that they would suck (even before the announcement that non-actor Christina Millian would be in them). No one has ever gotten real world cutscenes to work in games; which is why no one bothers with them anymore.

Maybe I'm wrong, and we're talking about two different things, but FMV was used in Metal Gear Solid 4, and I think it was the best use I've ever seen in a game... And also, I think it was done rather well in Shivers II and to a degree, SWAT. Oh, and Myst.

But maybe my memory is off about some of this stuff... I think those games use FMV - and I know I liked them.

[jay_ray]

A couple of things. If Mirror's Edge had been consistently new, brilliant, and exhilarating, rather than sporadically so, I would be behind you. The problem is that for all its innovation, the designers were still tied to the old shooter paradigm, and the game is more often frustrating than sublime. There is no reason there should have been guns at all in the game. What if... what if the AI was smart enough to attempt to block your path, instead of just taking potshots at an unarmed young girl? What if they could see you were going for a specific route, yelled "She's going to jump off the pipe!" and then tried to dismantle the pipe? It would have been dynamic, felt more like a chase, and transcended the tired old shooter genre.

Also, it is my sincere goal to review Valkyria Chronicles on the show. Working on it.

-Jeff

I agree with you that Mirror's Edge falters at parts, but I don't think it took away from the games newness as much for me as it did for you. I agree that an AI system that adapted itself to your play style would have made the game better, however, that could be said of 95% of games out right now. I think the game would have been better if the enemies had handguns rather then shotguns and automatic weapons and less enemies over all. Also there should have been more chase sequences in the game, whether it was you chasing or being chased by people just as acrobatic. Also them shooting at Faith was answered in the story, however if they were able to add in the AI that you stated above, the story could easily be changed slightly to fix it. The game felt very much like a modern/realistic version of Logan's Run, which I thought was really cool. With a game this new and different I feel everyone should at least try it, some will hate it, some will love it, but with this game that I feel it revolutionizes video games as a whole that everyone should experience it.

I also just want to say, I wasn't talking about Jeff, Dan, and Alex specifically when I said "They want the next Gears, the next IW CoD game, they want the same game but slightly improved A.I., graphics, weapons, etc." I was talking about gamers as a whole. It's good to hear you say you want to discuss Valkyria Chronicles, even if it only gets a side mention like Odin Sphere did would be good, it needs good word of mouth since Sega seems to not like to spend ad money.

[jay_ray]

Maybe I'm wrong, and we're talking about two different things, but FMV was used in Metal Gear Solid 4, and I think it was the best use I've ever seen in a game... And also, I think it was done rather well in Shivers II and to a degree, SWAT. Oh, and Myst.

But maybe my memory is off about some of this stuff... I think those games use FMV - and I know I liked them.

And the Command & Conquer games, those have some awesome FMVs.

[trsjeff]

even if it only gets a side mention like Odin Sphere did would be good

Odin Sphere got a heck of a lot more than a side mention. I played it live on the show! Check out episode 12.

-Jeff

[runsoverfrogs]

Wow.... Way for alex to slam mirror's edge unecessarily... him and jeff may have missed the point of the game.

[dolson]

Wow.... Way for alex to slam mirror's edge unecessarily... him and jeff may have missed the point of the game.

Actually, I found that they were both a little bit on the generous side.

[damnedeyez]

Wow.... Way for alex to slam mirror's edge unecessarily... him and jeff may have missed the point of the game.

So what's the point of the game? Admittedly, I've only played the demo (it's on the rental list) but their issues were the same ones I had with the demo.

[jay_ray]

Odin Sphere got a heck of a lot more than a side mention. I played it live on the show! Check out episode 12.

-Jeff

My bad, I only recalled you mentioning it, not actually playing it. In saying that, that was a year and a half ago, give me a break for not memorizing all of your shows:p

[dannyt]

I've only played the demo for Mirror's Edge, but aside from the HUGE leaps from building to building, the parkour is pretty accurate. I used to do parkour and I was one of the original members of California's first and now largest parkour crew PKCALI. Playing the game brought back alot of memories and it makes me want to do parkour again lol

Dude, I almost did a commercial with the PKCali team!

[thejah]

Man, I wish they showed when the TRS crew encountered a Tank. What a scary moment that is for the first time.

If anyone ever wants to play the game on PC, send me a steam invite at FocusRyan (friend's name is (f)theonejah)

[mitcharmstrong]

I could not stop laughing at Alex throughout the whole Left 4 Dead segment. "BALLS!BALLS!BALLS"

Great episode guys.

[arshen]

I could not stop laughing at Alex throughout the whole Left 4 Dead segment. "BALLS!BALLS!BALLS"

Great episode guys.

I Agree with this mitcharmstrong person 1000 percent.

[lavahot]

Why wasn't there any NXE discussion this week? Will there be a segment on it next week? I'd really like to see you guys make avatars of each other. It might be helpful to get some memory cards for Dan and Alex since they don't have their accounts on Jeff's XBOX.

[poltah]

Couldn't agree more with Jeff's choice of best series ending. The ending to Six Feet Under, if you have watched all episodes up to it, is epic. It is touching, deeply moving and brilliant in any possible way. I love it! I love it so much that I, like Jeff, still get emotional if I hear the song.

I can't wait to rewatch that series in a couple of years.

[cybersuchus]

Maybe I'm wrong, and we're talking about two different things, but FMV was used in Metal Gear Solid 4, and I think it was the best use I've ever seen in a game... And also, I think it was done rather well in Shivers II and to a degree, SWAT. Oh, and Myst.

But maybe my memory is off about some of this stuff... I think those games use FMV - and I know I liked them.

Yeah, we're talking about two different things. What one sees in MGS4, Gears of War and every other game out there today, are either prerendered, or in-game cutscenes. Developers either use more powerful computers to render a pre-recorded scene done to tell the story, or (like in MGS4) they use the game graphics and engine to render that scene.

Full motion video cutscene uses real "actors" to pre-record a scene that is done to, theoretically, tell the story.

Besides the jolt that occurs from going between real people and rendered people, the quality of both the acting and writing are often so low that most FMV cutscenes can be anywhere from hilariously cheesey, to eyes bleedingly bad.

Case in point: Sewer Shark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1WEq3dhnnI

[jay_ray]

Yeah, we're talking about two different things. What one sees in MGS4, Gears of War and every other game out there today, are either prerendered, or in-game cutscenes. Developers either use more powerful computers to render a pre-recorded scene done to tell the story, or (like in MGS4) they use the game graphics and engine to render that scene.

dolson was talking about the real time commercials just before the game starts, not the cut scenes during the game.
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1743.html
The first 5 trailers are the commercials.

[dolson]

dolson was talking about the real time commercials just before the game starts, not the cut scenes during the game.
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1743.html
The first 5 trailers are the commercials.

Exactly. It's also used between chapters - Sunny and her eggs is not CGI, AFAIK.

[cybersuchus]

dolson was talking about the real time commercials just before the game starts, not the cut scenes during the game.
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1743.html
The first 5 trailers are the commercials.

Oh dear god, what the hell was all that? Why is any of that even in the game? What the heck is wrong with Hideo Kojima?

I'll admit that production values for FMV cutscenes have certainly gone up since the 90's, but that out of place feel still remains, as does the cheese factor. Since that seems to have been what Kojima was aiming for (in an avant garde, LEXX kind of way), it's at least somewhat fitting.

Still seems completely pointless though.

[advancedoption]

I thought Alex was over the top in criticising Mirrors Edge. But as I sit here, dying, time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time… I realise he was on the money. The combat in this game is completely f--ken broken!!!!!

I'm now stuck in a room I can't get past, and the only reason I'm still playing is because I don't want to have to re-do the first half of the level. I could be playing Left 4 Dead, LBP, or Gears 2… but no… I'm stuck running into a room, getting shot… trying again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again… I can't believe I paid money for this s--t.

The game is broken!

[advancedoption]

and again, and again…

[forkfromouterspace]

Good episode, but just seemed a little long. Did we really need 10 minutes of watching Jeff, Dan, and Alex playing Left 4 Dead?

[heyseuss]

Good episode, but just seemed a little long. Did we really need 10 minutes of watching Jeff, Dan, and Alex playing Left 4 Dead?

Are you trying to think of something that absolutely everyone else will disagree with you on ? I doubt there is any TRS watcher ever saying 'this is too long', about anything, in any episode. . . . ever.

Strange that you mentioned the Left For Dead segment. That was the only portion of the episode that I watched twice. BTW you forgot Steve. The Left For Dead segment did have a silent 4thplayer/cameraman.


I liked Alex telling Steve to thank him for having saved his life, but if you are watching 20 seconds earlier, Steve saved Alexs life.

[summx]

Are you trying to think of something that absolutely everyone else will disagree with you on ? I doubt there is any TRS watcher ever saying 'this is too long', about anything, in any episode. . . . ever.

Strange that you mentioned the Left For Dead segment. That was the only portion of the episode that I watched twice. BTW you forgot Steve. The Left For Dead segment did have a silent 4thplayer/cameraman.


I liked Alex telling Steve to thank him for having saved his life, but if you are watching 20 seconds earlier, Steve saved Alexs life.
i thought the millionaire segment after the slumdog millionaire review was too long. That being said i thought the left for dead segment was fine.

[abefroman]

This may not be wise to say in my first post, but my favorite series finale is from "Mad About You." (Yes, I'm a girl, and I love TRS!) The episode is unbelievably funny, poignant, and just satisfying enough. Rather than spell out everything that will happen to the characters, we get brief glimpses into their futures. (The writers handle time in a way that Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof should study. Seriously.) I still have it recorded on VHS and cannot wait for the entire series to be released on DVD.

"Bueller?...Bueller?"

[trsjeff]

This may not be wise to say in my first post, but my favorite series finale is from "Mad About You." (Yes, I'm a girl, and I love TRS!) The episode is unbelievably funny, poignant, and just satisfying enough. Rather than spell out everything that will happen to the characters, we get brief glimpses into their futures. (The writers handle time in a way that Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof should study. Seriously.) I still have it recorded on VHS and cannot wait for the entire series to be released on DVD.

"Bueller?...Bueller?"

I would like to welcome the Sausage King of Chicago to the forums!

-Jeff

[abefroman]

I would like to welcome the Sausage King of Chicago to the forums!

-Jeff

Thanks, Jeff. I'll be sure to post if I find any more "Power of Canata" videos!

[heyseuss]

I would like to welcome the Sausage King of Chicago to the forums!

-Jeff

Ohhh bad form Jeff. You just called a nice girl, 'the sausage king'... .. .

[murphy1d]

Ohhh bad form Jeff. You just called a nice girl, 'the sausage king'... .. .
Damn....I wish I had thought of that first!

[vash]

Dolson, I'm going to have to say, that I don't like Sons of Anarchy yet, but for some strange reason I keep watching.

[joymarie]

(The writers handle time in a way that Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof should study. Seriously.)

Blasphemy!

[gorramit]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. Loved the Star Trek Next Generation series ender. Picard in three timelines, Tasha Yar back on the show, Q... Good stuff.

[xfuuey]

lol. funny shit while playing left 4 dead

looks fun

[lik]

lol, i like what Jeff called NFS: Undercover. "Burnout for babies" :D

btw, thanks for letting me know about Special and JCVD. i'm definitely gonna check them out. they look really good.

btw, my copy of L4D arrives this week, let's play together!

[chewie67]

Okay, I realize you three are a bit younger than I am (41), but COME ON.

What about the Series Finally of M*A*S*H ????

That final scene may be the best thing ever show on TV. Hawkeye taking off on the Helicopter and seeing the white stones that BJ left for him that spell 'Goodbye'? It happened 25 years ago and I still get choked up just thinking about it.

[abefroman]

Okay, I realize you three are a bit younger than I am (41), but COME ON.

What about the Series Finally of M*A*S*H ????

That final scene may be the best thing ever show on TV. Hawkeye taking off on the Helicopter and seeing the white stones that BJ left for him that spell 'Goodbye'? It happened 25 years ago and I still get choked up just thinking about it.

There was a storm in my town the night of the finale, and the power was knocked out. Everyone was so upset that ABC actually re-aired the broadcast for us! Excellent choice.

[gm_wil]

There was a storm in my town the night of the finale, and the power was knocked out. Everyone was so upset that ABC actually re-aired the broadcast for us! Excellent choice.

Yeah, good choice . . . I just rented that last disc from netflix to finally see it last year . . .

*chuckles* . . . sorry, when I look at your Avatar and name, I think "Sausage king" now . . . tee hee

*laughs with you, not at you . . . and gives Jeff the cheesy ol' two finger point with a slight turn of the head*

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