Lost is Back! [Spoilers] [Archive]

az0madman

01-22-2009, 04:20 AM

Just got done watching it. Not the greatest season opener (that still belongs to S1, then S4), but I enjoyed a lot of it. There's a certain charm that seems to be missing, and I think that's because the relationships that developed from previous seasons are broken in this season due to the separation. The opening for the first episode was pretty awesome though, just for the reveal.

Next stuff I post is spoilery, so read at own risk.

The idea of time travel is intriguing and a very risky move, I think. If they don't play it just right and stumble into a big a story hole, then there's a chance I just may not at all like the show anymore. The Constant was one of my favorite episodes and the way they dealt with time travel (only the mind moves through time) was great, but now physically they move and they can apparently change time only through Desmond for some reason. The whole Desmond being special thing still boggles my mind. I sort of had an idea that the old woman played a larger role. Well, at the very least when Daniel was talking about time travel, I thought back to Desmond's episode where he first went back into the past and the whole course correction idea was put out there.

Still, I like the way the time travel played out. It opens up a lot of possibilities in terms of how they tell the history of the island. I thought they would actually have Locke converse with Eko's brother for a second. Felt good when Locke finally reunited with some of the others since the island gang is pretty empty. I'm starting to find Rose and Bernard a bit annoying, and so glad Frogurt didn't stick around.

Also, my faith in Jin's survival is quickly falling. :( Since the freighter didn't disappear with the island and Dan didn't rescue his drifting body (I thought that's what would happen), I'm about to finally say goodbye to Jin. What a crappy sudden death if it's the case. Michael got a better send off and I hated that character.

Overall, I'm happy that Lost is back, though I feel the excitement that S4 brought just isn't there yet.

wakuseibaka

01-22-2009, 05:28 AM

Should probably put a spoiler warning on this thread.

I liked this episode but I'm also a bit worried about the time travel elements. This wasn't a great opener compared to their others.

I find Sun to be very interesting being a kind of badass.

AICN is saying Daniel Dae Kim is credited as a regular cast member but doesn't appear in the first 3 episodes.

For some reason the woman with the British accent at the end bothered me because it felt like every stupid sci-fi movie and her character would be the one saying something like "We're all doomed if the prophecy is not fulfilled!!" If she says something about a fucking prophecy I'm going to bang my head against the wall.

What does everyone think of the disappearance of the flashbacks/forwards? I think it makes sense not to have them because having those AND the time travel story lines would be pretty confusing. Probably.

Well those are my unorganized, poorly worded thoughts.

scoobydiesel

01-22-2009, 06:09 AM

It wasnt say....a clusterfuck...yet but i can see the time travel dong that.

Otherwise im totally down and waiting t see what goes down.

Babnert

01-22-2009, 07:37 AM

i thought the first episode was packed with too much, it was kind of overload. but overall i say the premiere was pretty good. the time travel stuff has me interested on whats going to happen throughout the season.

darksyns

01-22-2009, 08:47 AM

It was fucking amazing and I found absolutely nothing wrong with either episodes. I eagerly await next week.

maracle

01-22-2009, 12:56 PM

I LOVED IT.
i don't understand why you people found it so confusing, there where the 2 story lines about the on and off islanders, pretty simple to me. i though Hurley was in top form this ep. from talking to sleepy syied to trowing that hot pocket, he was awesome.
and we got to see everyone this ep. not like past seasons where we just stayed with one group of people.
i just thought it was great

joedubbs

01-22-2009, 01:56 PM

I really enjoyed the episode. I'm not one of those people that's trying to be ahead of the show. I'm just enjoying the ride and think it's a terrific show and a lot of fun.

I was spoiled because I didn't get into Lost until after Season 3 so I was able to watch 1-3 on DVD in a relatively short time, episode after episode. It's brutal watching a show like this week to week because there is so much going on and I have such a terrible memory. Also watching television with commercials is interesting. I don't know how I ever managed without it.

taozoo4u

01-22-2009, 03:41 PM

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1897443

Jay_Ray

01-22-2009, 06:19 PM

I enjoyed the episode, I like the take on time travel, but if the writers are not careful they can really screw it up.

khaynu

01-22-2009, 06:29 PM

Yeah I really liked the opener. Continuing the quality since its turn around.

=XcL=

01-22-2009, 09:29 PM

Time travel: a writers best friend

wideawakewesley

01-23-2009, 07:55 AM

Glad to see Lost return with two good episodes and some answers straight off the bat. Love how the two rival factions are shaping up off the island and the time travel angle looks to have been well planned. It'll be interesting if anyone manages to break Daniel's percieved rules about time travel or to find out if he was actually breaking them himself.

The hot pocket moment was a classic!

Wes

joeyrock

01-23-2009, 08:34 AM

Loving it so far....

When this is all finished I think there are going to be some pretty cool fan edits of the entire show.. like the whole 6 seasons put into chronological order.. down to every flash back and time jump. Or just "Desmond's story" "Locke's Story" .... I think you could make several complete feature films with all the footage. Films that some one who's never seen the show would get and enjoy.

poltah

01-23-2009, 09:24 AM

Is time travel really a new thing in the show? I mean, about halfway through season 4 it all seemed to be heading this way I think. I don't believe there were any doubt by the end of S4 that this show is going to be about time travel from now on.

Thought the first episode decent, second not as good but still alright. It's getting harder and harder to care about subplots like Sayid being unconscious. And what's up with the old wizard lady?

Not the strongest opener. I still think the Season 3 premiere was the strongest actually. That shot of the small town on the island was a big "Oh yeah, you have NO idea about anything" to the viewers. Loved it.
Not really any big reveals in this opener I think.

Anybody else really starting to find Sun annoying? I don't buy her as this powerful character.

One thing I really loved was the whole "You can't change anything. What happened, happened". If they keep to this, they might not get into the whole space time problem thing that all time travel stories fall into.
Nice to see Desmond, was afraid he wouldn't return.

Another awesome moment. Listening to that Neil guy thinking "holy shit, I'm going to hate that guy if he's going to be a new regular cast member", and then he gets shot in the chest with a flaming arrow. Awesome.

joeyrock

01-23-2009, 12:37 PM

I think you'll find his name is Frogurt :p

The old wizard lady was first with Desmond in the past when he was blown up in the hatch 2 seasons ago.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking

Jay_Ray

01-23-2009, 05:32 PM

It was apparent for awhile that time travel will be a main solution to a few of the mysteries (like the amazing non-aging Richard). There are still a few mysteries that time travel won't solve (smoke monster). It appears now that Desmond will be the main guy that the story will be built around since he will be a constant in the time travel part because he seems to not be a part of the "You can't change anything. What happened, happened" rule. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season, but it'll be easy for the writers to mess up unless if they know where they're headed.

gglynn00

01-23-2009, 06:33 PM

Just finished watching both eps. I like the islanders storyline better than the Oceanic six's. The whole "can't change what has already happened" sure went out the door fairly quickly. I wish they would have played w/ that idea for a bit...like have Sawyer try to do/save X but slip and fall into a pit or something only to helplessly watch the events transpire.

Oh well.

samureye

01-23-2009, 07:42 PM

I tagged the thread title as having spoilers.

I can't tell if Lost is really great or full of crap. I've seen all the episodes thus far and have been fully on board all the time, but the time travel thing, not sure how I feel about this. And it's been entirely too long since last season.

jasonpoon

01-24-2009, 03:11 PM

For me, the season 2 opening is still the best (a morning of Desmond's life...and turns out it's the hatch)

I still insist there's no time travel but it seems it's the only way to let the whole story make sense. But I like the idea of "You can't change what has happened", it's much better than that kind of time travel in Heroes.

I have a feeling that we will see many episodes in this season much like last season The Constants, which is my favorite S4 episode.

nshady

01-26-2009, 01:24 PM

Loved it. Mind blown. Want more.

joeyrock

01-26-2009, 01:29 PM

I hope that this season ends up like that film "Time Crimes" ... how awesome would it be if they all had to.... <- I'll stop there so I don't ruin that film. However if you've see it.... how awesome would that be??? :p

stubadub

01-28-2009, 05:20 AM

They definitely gradually ramped up the time travel stuff since at least season 3. I don't think they've given up on the "can't change time" thing. You've got Daniel saying you can't change time but somehow Desmond doesn't count, you have Bat-Manuel aka ageless guy telling Locke that he would interact with an earlier incarnation of ageless guy, and you have the rest convinced that returning to the island somehow changes things.

I'm not saying that there won't be any holes to find in this story, but they've got these last 2 seasons pretty fully planned already. They know where this is going.

darksyns

01-28-2009, 11:29 PM

Yeah, they've been preparing this for a long time, so I think they've figured out all the kinks. I know mostly anything can be theoretical but I enjoyed it when Michio Kaku (a famous theoretical physicist) was talking about last season's episode The Constant with Desmond and dealing with him mentally time traveling and he said that it was theoretically possible for that to really happen and how it looked like the writers had been doing their research.

Oh yeah!!!

LOST IS BACK TONIGHT !!!!

Babnert

01-29-2009, 03:52 AM

great episode tonight.
the charles widmore reveal was awesome.
daniel faraday is starting to become one of my top 3 favorite characters along with desmond and ben.

joeyrock

01-29-2009, 12:56 PM

Fuck.. I hate Lost :mad:

You always have to wait for next week for your fix of awesome!!! :D

*Looks at the time*

Sigh.. still Thursday.

*Looks up to sky in hope of a flash of light*

jasonpoon

01-29-2009, 03:31 PM

The Widmore reveal is awesome. Maybe something happened in the 1950s and make him want to find the island and kill all survivors.

Does Juliet know more than we thought she knows? It seems that she knows about Richard existence in different time/space.

Just found out in Lostpedia, the receptionist in Oxford is the Oceanic boarding gate lady in Season 1...just an in-joke?

I have a feeling that Locke gonna ruin everything again...I want the Locke in season 1-2 back...

poltah

01-30-2009, 08:43 PM

Hot diggity I loved this episode. It was so classic Lost, especially the Whitmore reveal. I loved this episode. Great, great, great. Can't wait for next week. Bought the itunes season pass.
Anybody knows if there's DRM on it?

nshady

02-02-2009, 10:34 AM

Jughead was probably in my list of top 10 Lost episodes.

az0madman

02-05-2009, 03:16 AM

Tonight's episode was very... satisfying. The ending was great because not only is Jin back ( had me worried for a second!), but at long last do we get to see Danielle's past. I'm psyched for what's to come and I'm glad to see we didn't need to wait an entire season just for Ben to round them all up.

And the Ajira airlines are finally put into play! Wish I signed up for a flight while I still had a chance...

enemybrick

02-05-2009, 03:56 AM

az0madman

02-05-2009, 04:14 AM

I find myself not judging episodes anymore. Im so enthralled and invested in what's going on for an episode to dissapoint me anymore. Tonight's was great, however, I have a couple questions that are bugging me.

-I saw the freighter explode, and what happened right before. The helicopter was flying away, and Jin was on the deck, waving his arms and screaming for them not to leave him. The boat explodes seconds after that, how in the hell did he survive?

-Also, the freighter was outside the island's influence, how did Jin get pulled into the flashes? I suppose he could have drifted closer, but doesn't the bearing still matter?

-They said at some point that you can't take items with you in time, the stuff on the beach dissapears with each flash, as does the hatch and everything else. How did the canoe stick around? A flash hits, and they are still paddling in it..

For Jin, I'll assume that the island isn't done with him. Just like how Michael and Jack tried killing themselves and failed, Jin can't die because the island won't let him. At least... That's what I'm guessing, because it wouldn't make much sense other wise. How the island is doing that is beyond me.

As for the freighter, my guess is that it was close enough to be part of the influence, however it traveled through time and disappeared like the camp did. Jin got pulled into the flashes because he, like the others, are exceptions of some sort.

The last question...well... I thought that myself and quite frankly, I don't think there really is any good explanation behind that. Same with Jin, lying on that piece of boat. It's just the mystery of teleportation, I suppose.

Babnert

02-05-2009, 05:45 AM

Didnt Juliet say that whatever they have with them "goes along for the ride", its the same reason their not naked every flash I think.

Great episode tonight, YAY Jins back! I think the explosion may have launched him from the freighter maybe and he floated into the radius, dont know how he would have a piece of wreckage with him though.

Also, Suns a badass.

nshady

02-05-2009, 12:46 PM

Ooh! Did he say Montand!? :D

darknessgp

02-05-2009, 04:56 PM

...
The last question...well... I thought that myself and quite frankly, I don't think there really is any good explanation behind that. Same with Jin, lying on that piece of boat. It's just the mystery of teleportation, I suppose.

Yep, I'd agree with that. They are in direct contact with the items that are taken, remember Locke also "traveled" with the bullet in his leg.

Jay_Ray

02-05-2009, 09:24 PM

I find myself not judging episodes anymore. Im so enthralled and invested in what's going on for an episode to dissapoint me anymore. Tonight's was great, however, I have a couple questions that are bugging me.

-I saw the freighter explode, and what happened right before. The helicopter was flying away, and Jin was on the deck, waving his arms and screaming for them not to leave him. The boat explodes seconds after that, how in the hell did he survive?

-Also, the freighter was outside the island's influence, how did Jin get pulled into the flashes? I suppose he could have drifted closer, but doesn't the bearing still matter?

-They said at some point that you can't take items with you in time, the stuff on the beach dissapears with each flash, as does the hatch and everything else. How did the canoe stick around? A flash hits, and they are still paddling in it..

1 and 2. I'd have to assume Jin either jumped into the water just before or he was at the furthest point away from the blast and was knocked into the water. He then jumped onto a piece of debris, passed out, and the current took him close enough to the island to be within the radius.

3. Any object that they are holding onto when they travel goes along with them, ie. clothing, weapons, the canoe, etc.

diela

02-05-2009, 11:47 PM

My first thought when Sawyer said "Thank you God!" as the flash started was "You're going to be pissed you said that when you end up in the water."

Fortunately they didn't. :D

Anyone besides me think the whispers from the earlier seasons might have been echoes of the time travelling LOSTies?

joeyrock

02-06-2009, 01:44 AM

I've solved the show.. the whole thing. Digg this cause it's so simple and works with everything.. I think. Better than those sites with a book's worth of stuff to solve it.

http://digg.com/television/Lost_Completely_Solved_In_two_Paragraphs

All the events left to happen in the show have already happened. We've seen the end already. The last shot will be the plane crash. The 108 minute computer in the Swan and the all the stations, everything; was a result of the losties work. They have to create the situations that lead to them getting there... thus stopping the world from ending.

Creating that loop... is each individual's work to complete. They build stations to cause the events, ghosts, monsters etc they've already seen.. and have to see again, because time is predetermined. Ben, Mrs Hawking, Widmore are there doing what they do because they all have a loop of their own to close. Everyone who's ever visited the island creates a loop they personally have to close... that's what brings them all back to the island.. THEMSELVES! There are no weird island forces, or ghosts and mystical forces... it's all a result of a natural phenomena (island jumps in time/space) and the mess that creates.

That's got to be right?? I would love for some one prove me wrong here.

az0madman

02-06-2009, 02:31 AM

Did you just describe a certain movie with a certain Jake Gyllenhaal?

The theory is slightly confusing. Where does the smoke monster, Jin/Rose/Locke being healed, four foot statue and all the other weird stuff fit in? And uh, yeah... I'm still confused.

joeyrock

02-06-2009, 03:23 AM

Yeah, Donnie Darko, Time Crimes, it's been done by others.

The smoke monster, healing people etc. They all can stem from dharma projects/stations. The losties have to influence/create dharma so they build those stations... or maybe the healing is a natural effect of the island's "temporal instability", time runs differently on a genetic level. The statue is from the distant past it also has had no bearing on anyone's actions so far (as far as we know). So that could fit in after everything else. Or maybe they send the nuke back way into the past as it blows up, that radiates the island and causes a race of subsequent settlers to have mutations.... probably not though :D

Those questions are details though... my short theory is more the general theme of the show.

nshady

02-08-2009, 06:48 AM

http://abcmedianet.com/web/dnr/dispDNR.aspx?id=020309_07

Was wandering on wikipedia and ended up here... scroll down to number 108. Coincidence? Yes.

Babnert

02-19-2009, 04:11 AM

I loved the episode tonight. The flight, ms hawking, the lamppost.
It was cool that Sayid was escorted by the martial and Hurley had a guitar like Charlie.
I would have liked to see Walt back this episode and more of Desmond though.

nshady

02-21-2009, 12:19 AM

I think what happened is when they got over the island, the island grabbed the seven of them - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Ben and Frank and jumped in time with them. Maybe they fell to the ground, but as we know they've survived that sort of fall before in the first crash. Anyway, the plane then kept going without them (presumably there was a co-pilot).

Good episode, but not great. I'm looking forward to next week, though, because episodes 6 and 7 are actually being shown in reverse (this week they showed production episode 7). Damon and Carlton said this was only the second time it had happened in the history of the show, but felt it worked better that way.

poltah

02-21-2009, 01:27 PM

I liked the episode. Wasn't as good as the previous one, but I liked it. The interesting part is that I really thought we had to wait this entire season for the guys to get back on the island.

So it's kind of interesting that they're back already. Season 5 still going strong.

Favorite moment:

On the plane when it starts to jump and there's a lot of turbulence, and all of the losties are just sitting there going "this seems about right".