Prager Explains All [Archive]

chuckles

03-12-2009, 02:24 AM

The Digg Reel Interviews David Prager on the hobo encounter...

watch it here. (http://revision3.com/blog/2009/03/11/dlprager_vs_hobo/)

digg it here (http://digg.com/celebrity/Digg_Reel_Interviews_David_Prager_on_Hobo_Experien ce).

-chuckles-

masherscf

03-12-2009, 02:26 AM

I think my prevailing wisdom is that David handled it nearly perfectly, but should have called the cops to keep the guy safe...not himself.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 03:17 AM

There's really no debate regarding he COULD have gotten hurt. I already said what I thought about how he handled it in the other thread.

artfuldodga

03-12-2009, 05:11 AM

call the cops regardless, you never know what might happen in that situation and you don't wait around, twitter, setup a ustream and find out

prager was just lucky it was some harmless dude, others might not be so lucky, police are there to 'serve' and protect, in this case serve

esophagus

03-12-2009, 05:22 AM

Ha. Apparently I'm the only one who thinks Prager didn't need to phone the police. I guess I'm not surprised.

ariastar

03-12-2009, 06:00 AM

Eso, he got lucky. This easily could have ended bad. In HINDSIGHT the police weren't needed, but at the time, there was no way of knowing whether the person would wake up and get violent or not.

masherscf

03-12-2009, 12:29 PM

Eso, he got lucky. This easily could have ended bad. In HINDSIGHT the police weren't needed, but at the time, there was no way of knowing whether the person would wake up and get violent or not.

I think "in hindsight" the police were needed. But, not for Prager's safety. But, for the safely of the drunk guy. Once you figure out the guy isn't a threat, then you have to take responsibility for him because he's on your property.

mrpopular

03-12-2009, 02:14 PM

ya i would have had 911 set and ready to call if things got bad.. The guy is just really lucky Prager is as nice as he is.

jonnywb

03-12-2009, 02:18 PM

IMO, the guy could have been hiding something, so I think Prager should really have called the police, in any case, even if the guy didn't have anything potentially dangerous. He might have then gone to disturb some other neighbours or even got hurt or something.

esophagus

03-12-2009, 02:50 PM

I'm a small town Canada guy, so I guess I probably just have a different frame of mind on stuff like this.

smeerkaas

03-12-2009, 03:26 PM

I think he should have just knocked him out cold. Then called the cops.
What does it matter if the guy appears harmless? It wouldn't be the first time someone underestimated the level of danger in such a situation. The guy is trespassing. Kick him out or tie him up. And call the cops.

I find the whole process of tweeting and setting up livestreams more disturbing than the break in itself. Don't sit there and tweet .. attack him.

chuckles

03-12-2009, 03:54 PM

I'm a small town Canada guy, so I guess I probably just have a different frame of mind on stuff like this.

Here is my conversation with Prager:

Chuck: Dude!!
Prager: What?
Chuck: You think you live in Canada or something?

-chuckles-

ariastar

03-12-2009, 06:17 PM

I'm a small town Canada guy, so I guess I probably just have a different frame of mind on stuff like this.

In Canada, if someone punches YOU, YOU say sorry.

esophagus

03-12-2009, 07:56 PM

masherscf

03-12-2009, 07:59 PM

Jesus christ. Tie him up? Knock him out? Don't you think thats overreacting just a little?

Relax Eso, some people don't know that assaulting someone and imprisoning them is actually against the law unless they're threatening you. That why you call the police. Some how I don't see an unconsciousness dude in a bed as qualifying for that treatment.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 08:53 PM

Relax Eso, some people don't know that assaulting someone and imprisoning them is actually against the law unless they're threatening you. That why you call the police. Some how I don't see an unconsciousness dude in a bed as qualifying for that treatment.

Neither do I. This includes shooting the guy. Many people believe you can shoot anyone that breaks into your home. This isn't exactly the case.

masherscf

03-12-2009, 09:00 PM

Neither do I. This includes shooting the guy. Many people believe you can shoot anyone that breaks into your home. This isn't exactly the case.

I think if the guy wasn't unconscious, shooting him becomes an option. Still, a single man with no family and proper home-owners insurance, fleeing to safety is a better option.

esophagus

03-12-2009, 09:15 PM

I can not imagine ever pulling a gun on someone, especially not someone who hasn't pulled a gun on me first.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 09:40 PM

I can not imagine ever pulling a gun on someone, especially not someone who hasn't pulled a gun on me first.

If I had one I would pull it so I was prepared, but I certainly wouldn't shoot unless my life was in legitimate danger.

masherscf

03-12-2009, 09:46 PM

If I had one I would pull it so I was prepared, but I certainly wouldn't shoot unless my life was in legitimate danger.

Shit yeah, if this guy came into my house he would see the business end of my shotgun while my wife dialed 911. I have children.

scoobydiesel

03-12-2009, 10:13 PM

I was shocked how friggin calm he was. shit i would have tossed the guy outta my house fast.

esophagus

03-12-2009, 10:25 PM

phatlip

03-12-2009, 10:33 PM

Ha! Its funny how much this ordeal is making me realize the differences between big city/small town, Canada/America. I would have offered him some tea and a ride or something. Obviously I would take some precautions at first, but nothing so extreme as what I've been reading. I wouldn't have been at all concerned if I were Prager until he kicked him out and he tried coming back in.

I live in a small town.

You would honestly give someone tea who broke in your house? Wow. You're way too trusting of people dude. That's dangerous. This guy was under the influence of god knows what. Drugs make people do crazy things. While you're giving the criminal who broke in your house tea, he could snap at any moment and chop your head off. Who knows.

esophagus

03-12-2009, 10:36 PM

I live in a small town.Which is where the other one comes into play.
You would honestly give someone tea who broke in your house? Wow. You're way too trusting of people dude. That's dangerous. This guy was under the influence of god knows what. Drugs make people do crazy things. While you're giving the criminal who broke in your house tea, he could snap at any moment and chop your head off. Who knows.Did he really break in or was Prager's door unlocked? That is the difference. If I found out someone who had broken my lock or climbed in through a window I'd freak out. Maybe I'm wrong, but from the video I got the feeling this guy just stumbled through his door.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 10:38 PM

Which is where the other one comes into play.

Doing nothing and giving a stranger who broke in your house tea and a ride is NOT precaution At all. Thats a good way to get yourself killed.

An individual on drugs who seems calm at one moment may snap at another. You don't know what to expect, so the precaution you take is to NOT trust the individual.

It doesn't matter what country you're in. People are murdered in the US and Canada.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 10:40 PM

Did he really break in or was Prager's door unlocked? That is the difference. If I found out someone who had broken my lock or climbed in through a window I'd freak out. Maybe I'm wrong, but from the video I got the feeling this guy just stumbled through his door.

It doesn't matter. It's still a strange man in your house and you have no clue what he may do to you.

esophagus

03-12-2009, 10:41 PM

It doesn't matter. It's still a strange man in your house and you have no clue what he may do to you.If you haven't figured it out yet, we have a difference in opinion here. You can keep repeating it all you want its not going to change my mind on how I would have handled this situation. To me, whether he BROKE in or WALKED in makes a huge difference.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 10:45 PM

If you haven't figured it out yet, we have a difference in opinion here. You can keep repeating it all you want its not going to change my mind on how I would have handled this situation. To me, whether he BROKE in or WALKED in makes a huge difference.

You're repeating the same thing too. The only reason I'm repeating myself is because this sort of thinking is extremely dangerous and it concerns me.

You would put your trust in a stranger who is in your house for reasons unknown to you on SOME sort of drug. You have no clue if he has a weapon either. You have no reason to trust such an individual yet you're willing to make him tea and give him a ride?

Do you realize how dangerous that is? What exactly is the harm in calling the cops? I'm not suggesting you tie the guy up and shoot him in the head. But why not call the cops to ensure both of your safety? I don't get it? Why risk your own life?

esophagus

03-12-2009, 10:48 PM

phatlip

03-12-2009, 10:53 PM

Ugh. I get where you're coming from but just drop it. I'm repeating myself because I'm repeatedly giving my view. You're welcome to oppose it. Stop repeatedly trying to change it though. I get the "danger" in how I said I'd react. I don't care. I'd still react that way.

Dude, quit being a hypocrite. I left this thread pages ago and you kept repeating the same thing over and over again. If your mind is so made up on the matter I'd just like to know why?

Why risk your life and why not call the cops? That's all I'd like to know. I'm just interested in why it's so important for you to give such an individual tea and a ride that you're wiling to put your own life in jeopardy. I'm not trying to change your mind anymore. I'd just like to know the answer to these two questions.

*Correction, it was the other thread I left pages ago*

esophagus

03-12-2009, 11:01 PM

Ugh. I'm the hypocrite.
Why risk your life and why not call the cops?At no point during the entire incident did Prager appear to be in any danger, so I don't think it would be worth involving the police.I'm just interested in why it's so important for you to give such an individual tea and a ride that you're wiling to put your own life in jeopardy.Hes quite obviously troubled and intoxicated. He also appears to be harmless. Sure, I could assume the worst and scare him off, or I could assume the best and try and help him so he doesn't get himself into anymore trouble and wind up wandering into a house with the kind of guy who would shoot him.

And its not "so important to me". I get why people would react differently. That just isn't how I was raised.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 11:03 PM

Ugh. I'm the hypocrite.
At no point during the entire incident did Prager appear to be in any danger, so I don't think it would be worth involving the police.Hes quite obviously troubled and intoxicated. He also appears to be harmless. Sure, I could assume the worst and scare him off, or I could assume the best and try and help him so he doesn't get himself into anymore trouble and wind up wandering into a house with the kind of guy who would shoot him.

And its not "so important to me". I get why people would react differently. That just isn't how I was raised.

Whats the worst that could happen if the cops came though? Worst if they didn't is you're murdered. So why take the risk? Do you think something horrible would happen if cops came?

esophagus

03-12-2009, 11:04 PM

Whats the worst that could happen if the cops came though? Worst if they didn't is you're murdered. So why take the risk? Do you think something horrible would happen if cops came?Nope. I'm done talking.

phatlip

03-12-2009, 11:27 PM

Nope. I'm done talking.

See, I asked this question very early on in the discussion and you didn't answer then either. I don't think you have an answer. That's fine though.

smeerkaas

03-12-2009, 11:30 PM

Jesus christ. Tie him up? Knock him out? Don't you think thats overreacting just a little?

I most certainly don't. There is a guy in your house who is not supposed to be there. Don't hide/flee and just leave all your possessions for the taking. Call the cops. And me personally: I would go on the offensive. I really would knock the guy out. Or at least forcefully remove him from my house. Now, if you want the police to have someone to question, you will need to keep the guy from bolting. So you do what you have to to detain him. I don't consider it a laughing matter when the privacy of my home is violated by a unwanted intruder. Neither should you. Your home should be a place where you can feel safe. If people walk in / break in, that is not the case. David might have been alone and able to hide, but imagine the same situation with a young family in the house. And at any rate .. no man should have to hide in his own house. Take out the threat.

I'm glad nothing bad happened. But it could have. By being the agressor you determine what will happen, instead of the other way around.

masherscf

03-12-2009, 11:59 PM

I'm glad nothing bad happened. But it could have. By being the agressor you determine what will happen, instead of the other way around.

And, at the same time, you risk potentially injuring or killing a innocent person. By acting so proactively, you take responsibility for all the consequences of your actions. Imagine this guy is a brother or friend that got hammered made a wrong turn.

Drunk, lost and stupid doesn't mean you deserve to be assaulted or killed. There are a dozen reasons how this drunk got in the apartment that don't involve him targeting you for theft or assault. Shit, he might just be a drunk neighbor's guest that's walked into the wrong house.

Take measures to protect yourself and your family. But, you're not 007, you don't have a license to kill. Make yourself safe, call the police.

phatlip

03-13-2009, 12:21 AM

And, at the same time, you risk potentially injuring or killing a innocent person. By acting so proactively, you take responsibility for all the consequences of your actions. Imagine this guy is a brother or friend that got hammered made a wrong turn.

Drunk, lost and stupid doesn't mean you deserve to be assaulted or killed. There are a dozen reasons how this drunk got in the apartment that don't involve him targeting you for theft or assault. Shit, he might just be a drunk neighbor's guest that's walked into the wrong house.

Take measures to protect yourself and your family. But, you're not 007, you don't have a license to kill. Make yourself safe, call the police.

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masherscf

03-13-2009, 12:27 AM

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Oh crap, not the slow clap.

xibalba

03-13-2009, 12:31 AM

should called cops just in case.

and everytime i see this thread title makes me think of Clarissa explains it all. hah :D

masherscf

03-13-2009, 01:24 AM

should called cops just in case.

and everytime i see this thread title makes me think of Clarissa explains it all. hah :D

I think I'm going to back out of this conversation. I like David and I don't want to be part of the internet lynching mob. I think his behavior was somewhere between inspiring noble and monstrously stupid... but neither of the two.

xibalba

03-13-2009, 01:46 AM

I think David is cool. There will be alot of "what if that" "what if this". But the fact remains the same he didn't feel in danger so he did what he felt was ok to do. I won't judge him for his choices.

I did notice on the youtube video alot of people are calling fake.

lee7822110

03-13-2009, 01:52 AM

I think I'm going to back out of this conversation. I like David and I don't want to be part of the internet lynching mob. I think his behavior was somewhere between inspiring noble and monstrously stupid... but neither of the two.I agree. I would be of two minds, Wanting to tape it(or broadcast is like David) in a kind like "OMG, I can't believe this is happening to me let me tell someone" or getting my gun and telling the guy to get the F* out. I would have the urge to do the first but I think I would end up dong the second.

secret-steve-crumbles

03-13-2009, 02:41 PM

I'm with masher on this one. This guy would be looking at the end of my G29 until he left.

masherscf

03-13-2009, 03:27 PM

I'm with masher on this one. This guy would be looking at the end of my G29 until he left.

I probably wouldn't let him leave. I'd make sure he found "safe lodgings" with the local constabulary.