Special Edition Podcast - 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine'

[conorkilpatrick]

05.03.09 - Coming off the heels of the movie we'd like to forget, X3, we get X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Hugh Jackman is back along with a bunch of other mutants to show how just how he became the best there is...and introduces us to Wolverine's jacket

Total Running Time: 0:31:39

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This is your place to discuss X-Men Origins: Wolverine! From here on out, if you haven't seen the movie and don't want to be spoiled, do not read any further!

[comicbookchris]

I'm seeing some people on iFanboy.com comparing this to X-Men 3, and I think they couldn't be farther from the truth. Yes, this movie had a handful of mutant characters, but the movies primary focus was on Wolverine's story, and didn't really diverge from that too much. I feel the problem with X-Men 3 wasn't that there were too many characters, but that Ratner decided to try and focus on almost all the characters, whether they had a big impact on the plot or not (the Angel storyline was the biggest offender of this). So a cast of other mutants isn't this movie's problem, so I hope people stop comparing this to X-Men 3.

That's not to say this movie isn't with out problems, however...

...and one of them is NOT Deadpool! There, I said it! Yes, big liberties were taken with his character at the end, but it did work with the story. And besides, he kicked fucking ass! His scenes in the beginning were spot on to the comic character, and for all who say that he wasn't in the movie enough, see my argument above. Besides, one of the producers said that if this movie makes bank, a Deadpool spin-off should be in the works, so we'll get our fill of him there!

[Infinity_Man]

Ok, so I saw the midnight showing in Little Rock last night. ( I live about 60 miles away)

Well, this is definitely the most adult themed Marvel movie yet.

First off, overall, I enjoyed the movie as it's own entity.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine is somewhat of a puzzle for me though. As much as it works as a movie, I can't quite figure out who this movie is for.

It doesn't feel like the kind of movie that will grasp the general movie going public, as it is a fairly slow burning film punctuated with some decent action sequences. Anyone that goes into this movie expecting an action packed summer blockbuster ala Spiderman is going to be sorely dissapointed. If you go into it, as I am sure many comic fans will, wanting to focus on Logan as a tortured character, then this movie will work for you. Would this be a good movie to take your 11 year old nephew who liked the X-Men movies to?... Probably not.

First of all, I am not a prude. Most of the stuff that will sound like I am bitching about is stuff that I would want in a Wolverine movie I guess, it's just not what I expected after 3 X-Men movies that were fairly family friendly.

There is a lot of cussing in this movie. Again, given the characters we are dealing with, it makes sense. At the same time, they have established a tone in the trillogy which is family friendly, and this just isn't. There is at least two nude shots of Hugh Jackman(when he jumped off the cliff naked I swear a girl in the audience made a genuine swooning sound). They have the main character moping around throughout most of the film.

While choosing two solid actors as the main leads (Hugh Jackman & Liv Shriver), they filled in the gaps with some doozies. Will I am? Really guys? Really? Is there a law in Hollywood that say you have to include a rapper in every movie these days? If he was any good, it would be different, but he feels like a celebrity making a guest appearance on the Love Boat. I am kind of puzzled with the half assed try at a Blob characterization. Agent Zero was made to seem interesting visually, but was pretty one dimentional as a character. Yes, Ryan Reynolds did do a good job as Wade Wilson, but the director seemed to miss a chance at making him more important before the twist at the end. He just wasn't utilized enough.

Ok, and let's talk formulated sappiness. The scene with the older couple. Really? Did we need Uncle Ben to come along for Logan? Really? Was that at all needed in the context of this story. No. Simply no. It is a cheap trick plain and simple and should have been left alone.

What did I like about the film you may be asking?

There were good nods to the fans. Logan said his famous Frank Miller line of "I'm the best at...". The character choices(done right or no) were interesting. Liv Shriver was awesome. The physical aspect of his characters movemnets were something that stood out for me. I loved the initial shots of teh two of them in all the wars. That was a great cinematic sequence. Some of the tongue in cheekiness was enjoyable. The costumes were nice and not over done (except Blobs fat makeup). When the first X-Men movie came out I hated the "no capes and masks" look of things, but I now realise that non masked faces work better in film, as you get more characterization through the face. I found myself really enjoying the face time of the actors. The dialog was good enough, with some scenes better than others. I loved the characterization of young Scott Summers. (X-Men Origins Cyclops anyone?!?)

The final 15 minutes of the movie were really fun. I loved the final fight sequence.

All in all, it is an enjoyable, more adult themed X-Men Universe movie. Did it seem like something was off during the whole movie? Yes. Can I point to one thing that made it like that? No. Could I point out a hundred other small things that annoyed me? Yes.

It's one of those movies that leaves me feeling confused less because of the content of the film, and more because I am left with an overwhelming feeling that the film makers weren't quite sure if this was the movie they wanted to make. I know that sounds wierd, but it's teh only way I know to say it.

[bonemachine]

Was disappointed in Deadpool. Bar the awesome sword sequence at the start, he was basically a mind-comtrolled lackey, devoid of personality or charm. They didn't have to have him completely mind controlled. As established by the sadistic grin he gives when he realises he's going to massacre half a nigerian village near the start of the movie, he's a psychopath. He would probably have had no quams about chopping Wolverine down a size. There was no need for the over the top lobotomization. I suppose you could argue that it's part of Stryker's personality to want to completely control mutants but still at least have him able to wisecrack as he's forced to cut Wolverine down a size! Still wikipedia says there's an after credits sequence where Wade rises from the plant and picks up his head so I still have hope that we'll see an eventual Deadpool spin-off.

But ranting aside I thought this was good. Good balance of action and plot. The cameos and multiple characters were fun and unlike X3 it wasn't a clusterfuck.

Spotted a plot hole and a continuity glitch though. Nothing major and it didn't ruin my enjoyment of the movie or anything just things I noticed.
Plot Hole- Fitting Cyclops into the story by having him in the prison is all well and good but when Wolverine frees him from being tortured and experimented on you'd think that he'd remember him when he meets him in the X-Trilogy. Granted he couldn't see but with the amount of people that escaped with him you'd think he'd get some kinda description off them. How many frakin' people are there running around in the Marvel Movie continuity with Metal claws coming out of their arms?

Continuity Glitch- little nitpicks like his hand not bleeding aand him not screaming and wailing like a baby (as seen in X2) but the real clanger is that the base where Wolverine gets his metal claws is on a waterfall and not under the dam like in X2.

[cammyknoxville]

$87 million so far, and it took $150 million to make. Not bad so far, and Sunday isn't even over yet.

I plan on seeing it after work.

[infernorhythm]

I'm not really an X-Men fan (although Brubaker and Fraction are winning me over a little), but I loved the first two films, and was utterly disappointed by the third (in the words of a drunken Kevin Rose "We get it Magneto, you can pick up metal ****!"). I went into this hoping it would be good. I mean, X2 had some intriguing, utterly disturbing flashbacks of Logan's past.

Wolverine was terrible.

The story was a mismash of bad scenes, the script never really worked, and some actual good acting (Jackman, Huston, Schreiber) got wasted on bad lines. Even the action scenes were weak. If I am going to see an action film, I at least want some good fights. Nothing, nada, zip.

My main problem was the lack of mutant commentary. I can't even remember the word mutant coming up in dialogue more than one or two times. Instead of Logan dealing with being a mutant, or some anti-mutant fervor, it got totally ignored. That social commentary is what makes the X-Men work!

[thenextchampion]

I've seen some bad films in my time. I cant say this is the worst film I have ever seen.....



But it's pretty damn close.

I did a review for it on the main site but let me give a 'sparknotes' type of summary on it.

Acting: F
Script: F-
Character Development: None
Special Effects: S (for shit)
Fight scenes: P (poorly done)

The only characters they got right was Blob and Deadpool....and they were only on screen for like 4-5 mintues seperately. (For Deadpool he only talks for 4mins and becomes....that thing....)

Terrible film, no one should see this. Somehow this becomes a blockbuster hit, I dont have pity though for the people who paid money on this.

[gabeja]

Was disappointed in Deadpool. Bar the awesome sword sequence at the start, he was basically a mind-comtrolled lackey, devoid of personality or charm. They didn't have to have him completely mind controlled. As established by the sadistic grin he gives when he realises he's going to massacre half a nigerian village near the start of the movie, he's a psychopath. He would probably have had no quams about chopping Wolverine down a size. There was no need for the over the top lobotomization. I suppose you could argue that it's part of Stryker's personality to want to completely control mutants but still at least have him able to wisecrack as he's forced to cut Wolverine down a size! Still wikipedia says there's an after credits sequence where Wade rises from the plant and picks up his head so I still have hope that we'll see an eventual Deadpool spin-off.

But ranting aside I thought this was good. Good balance of action and plot. The cameos and multiple characters were fun and unlike X3 it wasn't a clusterfuck.

Spotted a plot hole and a continuity glitch though. Nothing major and it didn't ruin my enjoyment of the movie or anything just things I noticed.
Plot Hole- Fitting Cyclops into the story by having him in the prison is all well and good but when Wolverine frees him from being tortured and experimented on you'd think that he'd remember him when he meets him in the X-Trilogy. Granted he couldn't see but with the amount of people that escaped with him you'd think he'd get some kinda description off them. How many frakin' people are there running around in the Marvel Movie continuity with Metal claws coming out of their arms?

Continuity Glitch- little nitpicks like his hand not bleeding aand him not screaming and wailing like a baby (as seen in X2) but the real clanger is that the base where Wolverine gets his metal claws is on a waterfall and not under the dam like in X2.
I completly disagree with you about the family friendly aspect. I found this movie to be less dark than the first three x men movies, I think there may have been one shit and one ass shot, but other than that, it was just a whole lot of silly fights and explosions.

[infernorhythm]

Okay, the discussion about "the jacket" is classic. Pure genius. Especially when Josh figures out that he spent 10 years hunting it down. Wolverine 2: The Hunt for the Jacket, CLASSIC! I would so see that film.

[cenquist]

According to IMDB this movie takes place 17 years before X-Men.

[doomlobster]

To clarify something said in the podcast, will.i.am played John Wraith/Kestrel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wraith) and Dominic Monaghan played Chris Bradley/Bolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Bradley).

My favorite part of the movie was in fact Dominic Monaghan playing that character. I would watch an entire movie based on Chris Bradley's circus freak career, culminating in an epic showdown with The Bearded Lady. In my opinion, the entire movie went downhill after he was killed.

[thenextchampion]

There was 3 confusions in this podcast:

1) This film does take place in 1980. Cause when Logan/Sabertooth was offered by Stryker to be apart of his team; it was 1974. Then there was the 6 years later caption when Logan quits

2) All of this film was shot in New Zealand. So the stuff that took place in 'Las Vegas', 'New Orleans', or 'Three Mile Island' was all sound stages or green screens

3) Patrick Stewart was filmed in the UK for his cameo towards the end. So that's why it looks like terrible green screen. So there's like two backgrounds in that one shot where Xavier helps the kids.

[comicbookchris]

I didn't remember Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen looking THAT bad in X-Men 3 in the past scene where they're de-aged. That close up to Patrick Stewart's face just creeped me the fuck out!

They should make a horror movie where he's the monster/killer. I'd be so scared I think I'd scream like a girl when he comes on screen.

[darthender]

On the subject of when the guys were talking about Wraith and who is he,

the Wraith in the movie is actually Jon Wraith, a.k.a. Kestrel.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Wraith_(Earth-616)

And he really is a teleporter in Weapon X, so in that case they didn't actually just take the name and apply it to a made up character.


Also, Domonic Monnagan's character is apparently Bolt. But this DOES seem to be a case of them just taking a characters name and using it.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Bolt_(Chris_Bradley)

[mrpopular]

It was alright at parts.. I really liked the Wade wilson stuff.

I think the movie could have saved itself if he went to get the procedure looses the memory (like he's suppose to) then Stryker releases everyone on him to get him back. end fight wolvie vs. black ops team. Wolvie defeats wonders who he is the end.

http://th06.deviantart.com/fs45/300W/i/2009/110/e/a/Origins_Movie_DP_by_semaj007.jpg

[darthender]

I wonder if they're gonna do to Deadpool what they did to Spiderman and Blade now, where the movie versions had powers the comic version didn't(natural webbing/daywalking vampire), and then in the comics they gained those powers and became the more badass versions that are in the movies?


What if poor Wade gets kidnapped in an upcoming story so some secret organization can try and experiment giving more powers to him since he already successfully recieved the regeneration power.

[Infinity_Man]

Ok, I am not real familar with Deadpool. Can he teleport in the comics? I ask, because he can in the videogame Marvel Ultimate Alliance, as well as the film after being augmented.

[comicbookchris]

I wonder if they're gonna do to Deadpool what they did to Spiderman and Blade now, where the movie versions had powers the comic version didn't(natural webbing/daywalking vampire), and then in the comics they gained those powers and became the more badass versions that are in the movies?


What if poor Wade gets kidnapped in an upcoming story so some secret organization can try and experiment giving more powers to him since he already successfully recieved the regeneration power.

They're gonna give him the power to give a memory erasing kiss and the power to throw an emblam off his chest to temporarily subdue an opponent.

[comicbookchris]

Ok, I am not real familar with Deadpool. Can he teleport in the comics? I ask, because he can in the videogame Marvel Ultimate Alliance, as well as the film after being augmented.

He can, but its not a mutant power, he has a teleportation device. It's not the most reliable, though, as it malfunctions alot.

[thenextchampion]

He can, but its not a mutant power, he has a teleportation device. It's not the most reliable, though, as it malfunctions alot.

Yeah he just got this teleporter in the recent Thunderbolts crossover. So it's something relatively new.


Again I gotta say I would be very happy if they tried a Deadpool film. Whether it is awful or great I will be in the first in line to see it. It doesnt bother me too much that Deadpool turned into that Weapon XI creature. It would make sense why Wilson decides to wear his trademark spandex since he's got horrible scarring and is ugly as hell. But they are going to somehow lose the 9ft blades in his arm (nice call on how can his arms bend questioning) and his eye beams....

If a film were to be made I have a good feeling all of this would be retconned out. Reynolds as Deadpool totally works though.....even if it's 2mins of speaking he has in this film.

[comicbookchris]

Yeah he just got this teleporter in the recent Thunderbolts crossover. So it's something relatively new.

He also had it in the early days of his character also, like in X-Force he used it to capture Black Tom and Juggernaut. I'm pretty sure he had it in the early Joe Kelly issues too.

[thenextchampion]

Oh that's right he did have a teleporter....Wow that is a great callback by Diggle and Way.

I dont understand why there needed to be a 2nd actor to play Weapon XI. Its mentioned that it's Wilson as the creature and they seem to took the time to find a double of Reynolds or make a face mold of him. I mean Reynolds looked to have some training for the film and worked out....why he couldnt have been Weapon XI is beyond me.

[darthender]

Deadpool always had a teleporter and a holographic disguiser back in the day. Those were his "tech" powers.

His only supernatural power in the comics is regeneration given to him artificially by the Weapon X program.
I dont understand why there needed to be a 2nd actor to play Weapon XI. Its mentioned that it's Wilson as the creature and they seem to took the time to find a double of Reynolds or make a face mold of him. I mean Reynolds looked to have some training for the film and worked out....why he couldnt have been Weapon XI is beyond me.Renolds probably didn't want to spend 4 hours in the makeup chair to play a non-speaking part.

[cenquist]

I heard Reynolds had prior commitments when he signed on, the director/studio knew this and already told Reynolds he only had a small part.

[timmywood-]

What were the other endings again? I saw the hand putting the head back on. Someone said there was one with another body for weopon XI?

By the way the movie is no way worse then X3. It's not a good movie but its not that bad. I was actually having fun with it until the admantium procedure. Then it went downhill. But god it was so melodramatic in the beginning and it made me ( and my theatre) laugh a lot.

[johnferrigno]

It was worth sitting through this movie just to listen to the podcast afterwards, with the whole conversation about Wolverine 2; the Search for the Jacket. freakin' hilarious.

[analogboy]

Oh that's right he did have a teleporter....Wow that is a great callback by Diggle and Way.

I dont understand why there needed to be a 2nd actor to play Weapon XI. Its mentioned that it's Wilson as the creature and they seem to took the time to find a double of Reynolds or make a face mold of him. I mean Reynolds looked to have some training for the film and worked out....why he couldnt have been Weapon XI is beyond me.

I read that there's a secret ending where they reveal that Weapon XI isn't actually Deadpool, so that would explain why Reynolds wasn't Weapon XI at the end.

[conorkilpatrick]

What were the other endings again? I saw the hand putting the head back on. Someone said there was one with another body for weopon XI?

Post credits scenes

The film has several additional scenes during and after the credits.[5] The first of these scenes plays a few seconds into the credits, and depicts William Stryker walking down a road. The toes of his shoes are torn and bloody from walking for so long, having been commanded by Silverfox to walk indefinitely. A military vehicle drives up behind him and he is apprehended by military police for questioning about the death of a general that he murdered earlier in the film in order to protect his personal vendetta against mutants.

Depending on which theater the movie was shown in, one of many possible endings then appear following the credits. The first only depicts Weapon XI's hand reaching out from the rubble of the nuclear complex to touch his severed head, whereupon the head comes to life and makes a brief hushing sound before the scene fades to black; breaking the fourth wall like the Deadpool comics. The second alternate scene shows Wolverine drinking at a bar in Japan. The female bartender asks if he is drinking to forget; Wolverine replies that he's drinking to remember.

[analogboy]

For anyone curious ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB0gDxj69S0



Hurry! Watch it before it gets pulled! Go! Go! Go!

[thenextchampion]

I read that there's a secret ending where they reveal that Weapon XI isn't actually Deadpool, so that would explain why Reynolds wasn't Weapon XI at the end.

That turned out to be a fake. So the one with Deadpool shushing to the audience is the real deal. For better or worse....

[analogboy]

Yeah, I was kinda disappointed by that ending. Feels like they wasted an amazingly entertaining character (and potentially fun flick) for nothing. Oh well, maybe we can hope for a Deadpool animated movie? (crosses fingers)

[zombox]

The movie was a snore, really. The action was tedious... it lacked punch or power. Much weaker than the fabulous action from X-Men 2 or 1. The 'emotional' scenes were forced and tired. They were predictable and not very well acted to boot.The climax was... well.. inane. The only thing that I really enjoyed was the Blob's character. He was hilarious. Deadpool brought a chuckle or two.

[ednemo]

On the subject of when the guys were talking about Wraith and who is he,

the Wraith in the movie is actually Jon Wraith, a.k.a. Kestrel.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Wraith_(Earth-616)

And he really is a teleporter in Weapon X, so in that case they didn't actually just take the name and apply it to a made up character.


Also, Domonic Monnagan's character is apparently Bolt. But this DOES seem to be a case of them just taking a characters name and using it.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Bolt_(Chris_Bradley)

Thank you for the Wraith explanation. I was listening to the podacst about to lose my mind that they didn't know the character form the comics! How did they not know!?! I thought we had at least one X-Men fan on the show!

And for the record I enjoyed the movie. It was cool seeing a lot of characters from the books finally show up on screen.

[ednemo]

Yeah he just got this teleporter in the recent Thunderbolts crossover. So it's something relatively new.


Again I gotta say I would be very happy if they tried a Deadpool film. Whether it is awful or great I will be in the first in line to see it. It doesnt bother me too much that Deadpool turned into that Weapon XI creature. It would make sense why Wilson decides to wear his trademark spandex since he's got horrible scarring and is ugly as hell. But they are going to somehow lose the 9ft blades in his arm (nice call on how can his arms bend questioning) and his eye beams....

If a film were to be made I have a good feeling all of this would be retconned out. Reynolds as Deadpool totally works though.....even if it's 2mins of speaking he has in this film.

Deadpool has almost always had a teleporter.

[darthender]

In fact, him having to have a teleporter is pretty much the basis for the entire Cable & Deadpool comic.

[sullivan85]

I was let down we didn't get to see a feral Wolverine. They talked about "releasing the animal", but really other than screaming after coming out of the tank, he never lives like one as he did in the comic for some time. I think they could have put that in somehow.

[jaflanagan]

There was a lot of grunting. What more could you want?

[siraim]

There was a lot of grunting. What more could you want?

whiskers?

[thenextchampion]

There was a lot of grunting. What more could you want?

and screaming. Lots and lots of screaming

[johnferrigno]

There was a lot of screaming. And a lot of "Bubs." Yet not ONCE did he SCREAM the word "BUB." Kinda mind boggling.

[filipsablik]

Can I just say I will watch any movie with Ryan Reynolds as a wise cracking superhero? He's just plain awesome sauce.

[comicbookchris]

Well guys...its official...Deadpool has been OFFICIALLY announced to get his own spinoff movie! http://joblo.com/deadpool-spinoff

[jaflanagan]

Can I just say I will watch any movie with Ryan Reynolds as a wise cracking superhero? He's just plain awesome sauce.

I can't say the prospect doesn't hold some intrigue. I am not a heartless man.

[thenextchampion]

Well guys...its official...Deadpool has been OFFICIALLY announced to get his own spinoff movie! http://joblo.com/deadpool-spinoff

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:)

[Infinity_Man]

What I think is funny is that everyone on this board seems to think we all went to see X-Men Origins: Deadpool.

There were so many things about this movie that warranted discussion over "Deadpool was teh lame", or "They should have used him more". While I agree, it seems that there are a ton of other issues that could and should be discussed over that use of one minor character.

I am curious what everyone thinks this movie should have done as fara s the story to make it better.. and don't say more Deadpool!

[mrpopular]

Super excited about the Deadpool spin-off. thats awesome.. huge DP fan for many years.

[comicbookchris]

What I think is funny is that everyone on this board seems to think we all went to see X-Men Origins: Deadpool.

There were so many things about this movie that warranted discussion over "Deadpool was teh lame", or "They should have used him more". While I agree, it seems that there are a ton of other issues that could and should be discussed over that use of one minor character.

I am curious what everyone thinks this movie should have done as fara s the story to make it better.. and don't say more Deadpool!

Hopefully the announcement that a spinoff movie is officially in the works will placate everyone for now...hopefully.

Unlike X-Men 3, there wasn't one big thing that pissed me off about the movie, just several little things that eventually added up. Especially the 3-Mile Island scene pre-final fight. So supposidly the Weapon Plus secret base is hidden there, but all Wolverine had to do was go up a couple of steps and go through a few double doors, and he was there! No guard fights, even!

Then when he gets to the lab, you'd THINK that Wolverine would exact his revenge on Stryker (because he's been tracking him for a good chunk of the movie for this purpose, RIGHT??), but NO! Stryker and Wolverine talk for a bit, and then Stryker drops the big plot twist bombshell that Silver Fox was an agent of his. You'd expect Wolvie to be pretty pissed off and wreck shit up, but what does he do? HE LEAVES! Just walks out the door! I'm pretty sure Wolverine just forgot about the plot for a second, cause that scene made absolutly no sense at all.

And are you telling me that Sabretooth was in the same room as Wolverine and Wolverine didn't notice? BULLSHIT! If his enhanced senses allow him to smell something going wrong miles away, you'd be a fool to try and sell me the fact that Wolverine can't smell the man who he's grown up with for hundreds of years JUST A FEW FEET AWAY FOM HIM!

But you know what? At least his healing factor in the movies aren't too ridiculous. At least he doesn't regenerate from a drop of blood or something ridiculous like that. The one thing I hated in the comics was when a writer didn't know how to handle Wolverine's regeneration.

[infernorhythm]

So I just realized (after being dragged to see the film by my friends, who liked it more than the other X-Men films-woe are my friends) that the entire Weapon XI scene was a ripoff of Darth Maul's entrance in the finale of Phantom Menace. Big doors open, villain stands there, hero tells group to go another way. Villain pulls out two blades, takes on two opponents, defeats one only to get sliced up and fall down a pit. Wow. They stole the one awesome scene from Phantom Menace and did a poor imitation of it. :(

At least the other references (Saving Private Ryan anyone? Who didn't want to see the camera pan over to reveal Tom Hanks in the other boat) kind of worked.

[thenextchampion]

If his enhanced senses allow him to smell something going wrong miles away, you'd be a fool to try and sell me the fact that Wolverine can't smell the man who he's grown up with for hundreds of years

What I just noticed is that....Wolverine doesnt use his enhanced senses at all during this film. Or at least he never uses at any critical moment. He can tell when someone is lying in the African Village scene; but he couldnt tell Silverfox was lying? Bullshit! If he could sense Mystique was Storm in X1 then he can avoid the 'persuasion' ability that chick had.

He nevers uses his senses at all in a fight.....that doesnt make sense.

[jaflanagan]

Comic book movies very often play a sliding scale game with the superpowers, and since Logan's are so strange and varied, they kept forgetting about them when it was inconvenient. That's true.

[thenextchampion]

Comic book movies very often play a sliding scale game with the superpowers, and since Logan's are so strange and varied, they kept forgetting about them when it was inconvenient. That's true.

Well correct me if I'm wrong. But I think all three X-Men films showed him using this ability quite often....and effectively.

[zombox]

It isn't as though the source material doesn't conveniently ignore various characters' abilities and powers when it suits the story.

[johnferrigno]

It isn't as though the source material doesn't conveniently ignore various characters' abilities and powers when it suits the story.

Agreed. it seems to me that every single writer on Wolverine handles his healing factor differently. Sometimes he's an unstoppable killing machine who doesn't get slowed down by anything (which makes him far less interesting, in my opinion.) other times, a couple of gunshots will take him down just like any other person, but then his healing factor kicks ina dn he can get back up after he patches himself up.