OK Guys.

[phatlip]

Let's chill out for a bit. The hateful comments JV made seriously pissed me of too. I'm one of the most outspoken ones about this, but I think we should chill for a bit.

Let's give Revision3 and JV a chance to take all of this in and take the appropriate action. If that doesn't happen we can go from there, but until then let's give them a chance.

It's Cinco de Mayo. Crack open a Corona and chill.

[guytheninja]

Let's chill out for a bit. The hateful comments JV made seriously pissed me of too. I'm one of the most outspoken ones about this, but I think we should chill for a bit.

Let's give Revision3 and JV a chance to take all of this in and take the appropriate action. If that doesn't happen we can go from there, but until then let's give them a chance.

It's Cinco de Mayo. Crack open a Corona and chill.

I can definitely say that JV is not a bad shock jock. He is definitely an expert in his profession. XD

[eminemdrdre00]

Let's chill out for a bit. The hateful comments JV made seriously pissed me of too. I'm one of the most outspoken ones about this, but I think we should chill for a bit.

Let's give Revision3 and JV a chance to take all of this in and take the appropriate action. If that doesn't happen we can go from there, but until then let's give them a chance.

It's Cinco de Mayo. Crack open a Corona and chill.

I'd give Revision3/Louderback till Friday to comment on his 40 minute rant.

[mrpopular]

yes Friday should be more then enough time.

And yes i'm enjoying my Corona
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

[boldfire]

I've had my say, Revision3 knows how some of us feel and we just have to see how it plays out :) No point kicking a dead horse, it wont achieve anything going over these same points 100 times.

[gimpbully]

How can you seriously expect a ceo (or any staff/officers) to be responsible for the off-show comments of what is essentially a contractor? This guy is not an employee of rev3 and maybe that's what a lot of people are missing.

What he says outside of the work that rev3 contracts has absolutely nothing to do with rev3. Analogies are fairly foolish, but this is directly akin to you working for a company and drinking off-the-clock. The company has nothing to do with your life aside from what they pay you to do. Are you going to call CBS on promoting underage drinking because they have a viewership under the drinking age as well as employees that drink off-the-clock? (that's a rhetorical question, in case that wasn't clear).

I'm sure you're all hungry for blood for some reason, but that's baseless and you're not entitled to it. Period.

Beyond that, in the end, this is exactly why this guy is employed -- he seems to get a great reaction out of phatlip (I'm pretty sure that's why i was employed back in the day).

For people that so voraciously eat up free content, a select few seem to have a massive problem recognizing what they're entitled to (ie: not a damn thing).
I'd give Revision3/Louderback till Friday to comment on his 40 minute rant.

[phatlip]

How can you seriously expect a ceo (or any staff/officers) to be responsible for the off-show comments of what is essentially a contractor? This guy is not an employee of rev3 and maybe that's what a lot of people are missing.

What he says outside of the work that rev3 contracts has absolutely nothing to do with rev3. Analogies are fairly foolish, but this is directly akin to you working for a company and drinking off-the-clock. The company has nothing to do with your life aside from what they pay you to do. Are you going to call CBS on promoting underage drinking because they have a viewership under the drinking age as well as employees that drink off-the-clock? (that's a rhetorical question, in case that wasn't clear).

I'm sure you're all hungry for blood for some reason, but that's baseless and you're not entitled to it. Period.

Beyond that, in the end, this is exactly why this guy is employed -- he seems to get a great reaction out of phatlip (I'm pretty sure that's why i was employed back in the day).

For people that so voraciously eat up free content, a select few seem to have a massive problem recognizing what they're entitled to (ie: not a damn thing).

The only problem of course is the CEO of Revisoin3 promoted this little event on his Twitter. This was related to Revision3 and was intended for the Rev3 audience. He represents the company.

Still, I think we need to give Rev3 a chance to sort this out.

[zeroneuro]

To be fair the revision3 tweet account, www.twitter.com/revision3/ did link the response in a tweet. But regardless of that, a company should defend its community I think. *shrug* At this point I don't know what else can be said or done.

[gimpbully]

the only "problem" is that you feel entitled to coddling.
The only problem of course is the CEO of Revisoin3 promoted this little event on his Twitter. This was related to Revision3 and was intended for the Rev3 audience. He represents the company.

Still, I think we need to give Rev3 a chance to sort this out.

[phatlip]

the only "problem" is that you feel entitled to coddling.

No, the "problem" is I think it's unacceptable to call someone a ****ot.

[klitzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

Appropriate? I think so.

[gimpbully]

THAT is a problem to take up with the person who spoke the words. It's a grown-up world here, buddy, handle situations like one.
No, the "problem" is I think it's unacceptable to call someone a fagot.

[phatlip]

THAT is a problem to take up with the person who spoke the words. It's a grown-up world here, buddy, handle situations like one.

And the company he represents who apparently doesn't care about one of their people calling THEIR customers ****ots.

Again though, I'm going to give them both time to take everything and respond.

[trunolimit]

Would you mind for those of us who have been living under a rock tell me what is all this about, what did this guy say?

[gimpbully]

I do disagree, I think a network's charge is to provide content to the widest audience possible. This is very much a similar situation to FOX/FOXNews. Those are two, often intensely, opposite networks. If their charge were to be to protect or defend their community, one of those stations would have drastically different programming.
To be fair the revision3 tweet account, www.twitter.com/revision3/ did link the response in a tweet. But regardless of that, a company should defend its community I think. *shrug* At this point I don't know what else can be said or done.

[gimpbully]

No, the company is responsible for what THEY broadcast. Nothing more. They did not broadcast that content. Again, you are not entitled to anything, never mind an apology from a blameless corporation. You're just playing into this guy's schtick.

How about content in the forum? Should Jim apologize to your personally because someone calls you a fool or disparages your sexuality on the forum? That's hosted content, that's even close to their content than this guys random podcast.
And the company he represents who apparently doesn't care about one of their people calling THEIR customers ****ots.

Again though, I'm going to give them both time to take everything and respond.

[zeroneuro]

Back up to the JVs World dir. There is a link to the audio in another topic.

Would you mind for those of us who have been living under a rock tell me what is all this about, what did this guy say?

[guytheninja]

Would you mind for those of us who have been living under a rock tell me what is all this about, what did this guy say?

http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27969

Listen to the .wma

[krishnancc]

I do disagree, I think a network's charge is to provide content to the widest audience possible. This is very much a similar situation to FOX/FOXNews. Those are two, often intensely, opposite networks. If their charge were to be to protect or defend their community, one of those stations would have drastically different programming.

from what i heard/read it seems like this guy is not someone they would want to associate them selves with if he was going to use that kinda speech, sure Kevin and Alex drop the f'bomb some times but they never rant on how much they hate people.

[phatlip]

No, the company is responsible for what THEY broadcast. Nothing more. They did not broadcast that content. Again, you are not entitled to anything, never mind an apology from a blameless corporation. You're just playing into this guy's schtick.

This is their employee directing their audience with hateful language in an event promoted by the CEO of the company on Twitter.

Revision3 is responsible for what their employees do. Especially if one of them is attacking the customers.

Posters on the forum don't work for Revision3.

[gimpbully]

I can tell you, but don't tell anyone else this, it's super-secret.

Jim doesn't do the twittering for @revision3

GASP!

Beyond that, linking to content is not hosting or funding it.

AND AGAIN: he is NOT an employee
This is their employee directing their audience with hateful language in an event promoted by the CEO of the company on Twitter.

Revision3 is responsible for what their employees do. Especially if one of them is attacking the customers.

[gimpbully]

Posters on the forum don't work for Revision3.

Neither does this guy, his show is contracted.

Beyond that, why not address your being the perfect patsy for his schtick?

[phatlip]

I can tell you, but don't tell anyone else this, it's super-secret.

Jim doesn't do the twittering for @revision3

GASP!

Beyond that, linking to content is not hosting or funding it.

AND AGAIN: he is NOT an employee

Then Jim is responsible for what people use his Twitter for. I'm willing to bet it's a Rev3 employee using his Twitter anyway.

Hosting, funding, it doesn't matter. He is part of Revision3 attacking their audience in an unacceptable manner.

[phatlip]

Neither does this guy, his show is contracted.

Beyond that, why not address your being the perfect patsy for his schtick?

That still makes him part of Revision3.

We're going in circles.

[gimpbully]

hosting and funding do matter quite a bit, they're just not convenient to your cause. I would contend (and have) that you need to grow some skin. Yes, very few people enjoy the word ****ot, but i don't think that's what you're upset about. I think it's that you were and a small group of others were the specific target of his rant. It isn't the corporation's job to protect your ears or sensibility. You might prefer that, but you're not a shareholder.
Then Jim is responsible for what people use his Twitter for. I'm willing to bet it's a Rev3 employee using his Twitter anyway.

Hosting, funding, it doesn't matter. He is part of Revision3 attacking their audience in an unacceptable manner.

[phatlip]

hosting and funding do matter quite a bit, they're just not convenient to your cause. I would contend (and have) that you need to grow some skin. Yes, very few people enjoy the word ****ot, but i don't think that's what you're upset about. I think it's that you were and a small group of others were the specific target of his rant. It isn't the corporation's job to protect your ears or sensibility. You might prefer that, but you're not a shareholder.

Whatever, if you think nothing is wrong with the word ****ot then why are you defending him and the company he represents? Doesn't the company at least owe it to the community to say: "We're sorry one of our people used offensive language. It doesn't represent us?". Otherwise they're saying they could give a shit about how one of their people treats their customers.

You're just a troll anyway. You only post here anymore to attack me so I don't care what you have to say.

[travislopes]

Neither does this guy, his show is contracted.

Beyond that, why not address your being the perfect patsy for his schtick?

He may not be an employee or whatnot, but I feel that since he was specifically addressing comments about the show, I think he was partially representing Revision3, especially since the official Revision3 Twitter account posted a link to it.

I think what he was saying was really over-the-top and unnecessary. Most of us would be fine if he addressed this all in a normal, civil manner. I also don't think it's a good thing to call potential viewers "f****ts," "queers," "bitches," and "dicks."

But that's just my opinion.

[gimpbully]

did i say that? I'm pretty sure I specifically didn't. I think i've made my views for anti-gay sentiment and actions very clear throughout my life, but that's not for you to question and I'm fairly secure with that. Nice try at a cheap shot tho. I think they have a cute phrase for doing that... something about brutes under bridges or something...

we're all here to troll you and you specifically.
Whatever, if you think nothing is wrong with the word ****ot then why are you defending him and the company he represents?

You're just a troll anyway. You only post here anymore to attack me so I don't care what you have to say.

[rabidbadger]

Air America canned Randi Rhodes for calling Hilary Clinton the "c" word at a non-Air America event. I thought that was appropriate for Air America to do, even though I usually enjoy Randi Rhodes.

I see the same thing here.

JV using the "f"-for-gay word is the same thing. He may not be a direct employee, spokesperson, or official mascot of Revision3, but as of the uploading of his first episode, he did become a "voice" of revision3, and should be held responsible for calling me specifically, being gay, and the community which has sustained this company as a whole, a ****ot, an be held responsible for his vicious, sexist, homophobic public statements.

[gimpbully]

Please, I am no longer an employee. I have absolutely no vested interest in this company.
especially since your official Twitter account posted a link to it.

[phatlip]

did i say that? I'm pretty sure I specifically didn't. I think i've made my views for anti-gay sentiment and actions very clear throughout my life, but that's not for you to question and I'm fairly secure with that. Nice try at a cheap shot tho. I think they have a cute phrase for doing that... something about brutes under bridges or something...

we're all here to troll you and you specifically.

I didn't make any statements about you other than being a troll. What I did was ask you a question.

IF you think nothing is wrong with the word ****ot, then why are you defending him and the company he represents?

[travislopes]

Please, I am no longer an employee. I have absolutely no vested interest in this company.

My bad. I didn't know. Fixed original post.

[gimpbully]

So this is where this gets interesting. I agree, I certainly find it abhorrent language (especially the insulting way ****ot has been co-opted as a "harmless" phrase, "oh, you know what i meant!"). But I don't think the onus is on the CEO to take action for speech not paid for by the corp. I think the proper way to address that is to either take it up with this JV guy or simply ignore the show, boycott it if you will. After dealing with the intracacies of a content provider, I have seen both sides of this and come out on the side of taking it up with the talent. There is a very clear distinction in paying someone for speech and dealing with speech made off-the-clock. I disagree that he "became a voice of revision3" in this instance.

Air America canned Randi Rhodes for calling Hilary Clinton the "c" word at a non-Air America event. I thought that was appropriate for Air America to do, even though I usually enjoy Randi Rhodes.

I see the same thing here.

JV using the "f"-for-gay word is the same thing. He may not be a direct employee, spokesperson, or official mascot of Revision3, but as of the uploading of his first episode, he did become a "voice" of revision3, and should be held responsible for calling me specifically, being gay, and the community which has sustained this company as a whole, responsible for his vicious, sexist, homophobic public statements.

[gimpbully]

By insinuating that I am defending anti-gay speech is an insult to me. I didn't think i had to point that one out.. I understand that the english language is full of nuance, but I think I've made my stance fairly clear here.

How does the sexism in diggnation strike you? How many times have there been derogatory phrases uttered by those two golden cows? Why the outrage here?
I didn't make any statements about you other than being a troll. What I did was ask you a question.

IF you think nothing is wrong with the word ****ot, then why are you defending him and the company he represents?

[phatlip]

By insinuating that I am defending anti-gay speech is an insult to me. I didn't think i had to point that one out.. I understand that the english language is full of nuance, but I think I've made my stance fairly clear here.

I'm asking you a question. Why don't you answer?

-There was an apology when such comments arose in Diggnation.

[gimpbully]

Phatlip, I know people have said this before (and I find the following comment insipid when coming from others), but please please be a bit more thorough in your reading of comments. I have addressed your question. I am not defending anti-gay speech, therefor your question is moot. In fact, I've said i find it abhorrent (a word chosen with great care). I know you're blinded by the rage of being insulted in a public setting, but again, grow some skin (refering to being insulted, not this man's speech, just so we're clear)

edit: beyond that, conversations are fluid, keep pace.
why don't you address insinuating I'm anti-gay?

I'm asking you a question. Why don't you answer?

-There was an apology when such comments arose in Diggnation.

[gimpbully]

On one blatant occasion there was. It's a consistent problem.
I'm asking you a question. Why don't you answer?

-There was an apology when such comments arose in Diggnation.

[phatlip]

Phatlip, I know people have said this before (and I find the following comment insipid when coming from others), but please please be a bit more thorough in your reading of comments. I have addressed your question. I am not defending anti-gay speech, therefor your question is moot. In fact, I've said i find it abhorrent (a word chosen with great care). I know you're blinded by the rage of being insulted in a public setting, but again, grow some skin (refering to being insulted, not this man's speech, just so we're clear)

Okay, I'm just interested why a person who is so against anti-gay speech is defending a person and the company he represents.

Very simple question.

We've established your against anti-gay speech. Why the defense of it here?

I'm not insinuating you're anti-gay. I'm asking you a very very simple question.

[gimpbully]

No, you're basing your question on a false assumption which I don't care to make myself. I do not consider rev3 the least bit responsible for what this guy does in his own time. Very very simple, indeed. I haven't defended him in the least, that's rather disingenuous of you to claim so.
Okay, I'm just interested why a person who is so against anti-gay speech is defending a person and the company he represents.

Very simple question.

We've established your against anti-gay speech. Why the defense of it here?

I'm not insinuating you're anti-gay. I'm asking you a very very simple question.

[phatlip]

No, you're basing your question on a false assumption which I don't care to make myself. I do not consider rev3 the least bit responsible for what this guy does in his own time. Very very simple, indeed. I haven't defended him in the least, that's rather disingenuous of you to claim so.

Okay, whatever. I really didn't create this thread for this reason.

All I can do is speak for myself, and say I don't believe using that sort of language is okay. When it comes from one of the companies people, and is directed at the customers (on an event promoted by the company), I think both parties have a responsibility of making an apology. At the very least so Revision3 clears any confusion, and assures everyone that while HE said those things, THEY don't believe that.

Otherwise, I take it as a sign that they don't care.

That's what I and the majority here think. You can take it or leave it. You're entitled to your opinion.

[rabidbadger]

...When it comes from one of the companies people, and is directed at the customers (on an event promoted by the company), I think both parties have a responsibility of making an apology. At the very least so Revision3 clears any confusion, and assures everyone that while HE said those things, THEY don't believe that.

Otherwise, I take it as a sign that they don't care.....

Well said, and I totally agree.

[gimpbully]

What is productive about you waiting around for an apology? What have you done to directly address this issue? Have you talked to this JV character? Do you know why you're upset? Do you honestly think it is the corporate position of the Revision3 Corporation that they promote hate speech?

Step back from this and look at it. A new show:
contracts are signed, production staff hands tech team the master to encode, they encode, post and publish. Nothing out of the ordinary.

marketing team starts to promote, you see ads on the site, an announcement on the blog, tweets from the usual suspects. Happens with every show.

New show talent addresses the terrible and blown-out feedback a few vocal individuals post on the forum (this too is completely normal)

Guy says something he shouldn't have. It's dispicable, but it's (from what I gather) completely normal for his show.

Where in here does rev3 have anything to do with his speech? Where is Jim prodding him to call people ****ots? Where is the corporate memo sent out to staff@ that says we're gonna push '****ot' big, it's the new hotness? Where in any of this is revision3 responsible for apologizing to *you*? Where is your boycott? where is your real action?

You're behind a keyboard arguing with me, the last person in the world you need to convince that being gay is just peachy and has nothing to do with me or my rights, trying to convince me of just that. Bravo

(I'll let the majority speak for themselves, thank you. I'm sure not gonna let you represent me.)

Bye

Okay, whatever. I really didn't create this thread for this reason.

All I can do is speak for myself, and say I don't believe using that sort of language is okay. When it comes from one of the companies people, and is directed at the customers (on an event promoted by the company), I think both parties have a responsibility of making an apology. At the very least so Revision3 clears any confusion, and assures everyone that while HE said those things, THEY don't believe that.

Otherwise, I take it as a sign that they don't care.

That's what I and the majority here think. You can take it or leave it. You're entitled to your opinion.

[phatlip]

What is productive about you waiting around for an apology? What have you done to directly address this issue? Have you talked to this JV character? Do you know why you're upset? Do you honestly think it is the corporate position of the Revision3 Corporation that they promote hate speech?

Step back from this and look at it. A new show:
contracts are signed, production staff hands tech team the master to encode, they encode, post and publish. Nothing out of the ordinary.

marketing team starts to promote, you see ads on the site, an announcement on the blog, tweets from the usual suspects. Happens with every show.

New show talent addresses the terrible and blown-out feedback a few vocal individuals post on the forum (this too is completely normal)

Guy says something he shouldn't have. It's dispicable, but it's (from what I gather) completely normal for his show.

Where in here does rev3 have anything to do with his speech? Where is Jim prodding him to call people ****ots? Where is the corporate memo sent out to staff@ that says we're gonna push '****ot' big, it's the new hotness? Where in any of this is revision3 responsible for apologizing to *you*? Where is your boycott? where is your real action?

You're behind a keyboard arguing with me, the last person in the world you need to convince that being gay is just peachy and has nothing to do with me or my rights, trying to convince me of just that. Bravo

(I'll let the majority speak for themselves, thank you. I'm sure not gonna let you represent me.)

Bye

I already explained my position and said you can take it or leave it. Again, you're entitled to your opinion.

[santiagod]

tsk tsk...

I remember when pioneers, a long long time ago, migrated to the Internet to escape censorship based on special interests and the oh so fragile feelings of a select audience whom saw it fit to make a biased judgment on the quality and context of a show based on their own selfish agenda. Those were the days, but it seems now the previously free agents that roamed the valleys of the interwebs have fallen victim to these same self entitled listeners who claim to have better judgment than the talent and executives.


Father, why have you forsaken us?

[rabidbadger]

Father, why have you forsaken us?

Yeah, Tim Berners-Lee. Why aint you weighing in on this?

[santiagod]

Yeah, Tim Berners-Lee. Why aint you weighing in on this?


wait, who?


... Mother has a lot of explaining to do. :(

[guytheninja]

Where in here does rev3 have anything to do with his speech? Where is Jim prodding him to call people ****ots? Where is the corporate memo sent out to staff@ that says we're gonna push '****ot' big, it's the new hotness? Where in any of this is revision3 responsible for apologizing to *you*? Where is your boycott? where is your real action?

You're behind a keyboard arguing with me, the last person in the world you need to convince that being gay is just peachy and has nothing to do with me or my rights, trying to convince me of just that. Bravo


Seriously Phatlip, if you really want to do something about it send an email (at the least), have a protest outside the door of the studios, call the sponsors. Posting angry messages on a forum does very little.

[rabidbadger]

wait, who?


... Mother has a lot of explaining to do. :(

OK. You beat Shrek as my favorite Troll now. Oh wait, he's an Ogre? Or a Wraith? something.

Guess I aint a pimply faced star wars masturbator after all. Geek Cred -7 now. Damn. :p

[rabidbadger]

Seriously Phatlip, if you really want to do something about it send an email (at the least), have a protest outside the door of the studios, call the sponsors. Posting angry messages on a forum does very little.

Gotta kinda agree. Several folks have written official e-mails to the appropriate persons, and seems to be working better than adding to the forum. (though I think that's fine, but I'm guessing they got the point by now).

Me, right now, I'm just gonna sit back, pop some popcorn, enjoy the trolls, and watch bbliveshow.

[guytheninja]

OK. You beat Shrek as my favorite Troll now. Oh wait, he's an Ogre? Or a Wraith? something.

Guess I aint a pimply faced star wars masturbator after all. Geek Cred -7 now. Damn. :p

Rabid, can I buy your race-car bed; I destroyed mine by accident during a light-saber battle (long story). :D :D

[rabidbadger]

Rabid, can I buy your race-car bed; I destroyed mine by accident during a light-saber battle (long story). :D :D

My other racecar bed is a Winnebago.

Edit: WOW! Mac OS X's inbred, er, built in spell checker knew the word "Winnebago!"

[klitzy]

Gotta kinda agree. Several folks have written official e-mails to the appropriate persons, and seems to be working better than adding to the forum. (though I think that's fine, but I'm guessing they got the point by now).

Me, right now, I'm just gonna sit back, pop some popcorn, enjoy the trolls, and watch bbliveshow.

So true...become more of a show right now.

[pyroonaswing]

Me, right now, I'm just gonna sit back, pop some popcorn, enjoy the trolls, and watch bbliveshow.

i agree with this, and pretty much everything else ive seen you write in the threads ive read.

now, ive gotta say, im pretty excited about tonights bbliveshow.

[nesto37]

What is productive about you waiting around for an apology? What have you done to directly address this issue? Have you talked to this JV character? Do you know why you're upset? Do you honestly think it is the corporate position of the Revision3 Corporation that they promote hate speech?

Step back from this and look at it. A new show:
contracts are signed, production staff hands tech team the master to encode, they encode, post and publish. Nothing out of the ordinary.

marketing team starts to promote, you see ads on the site, an announcement on the blog, tweets from the usual suspects. Happens with every show.

New show talent addresses the terrible and blown-out feedback a few vocal individuals post on the forum (this too is completely normal)

Guy says something he shouldn't have. It's dispicable, but it's (from what I gather) completely normal for his show.

Where in here does rev3 have anything to do with his speech? Where is Jim prodding him to call people ****ots? Where is the corporate memo sent out to staff@ that says we're gonna push '****ot' big, it's the new hotness? Where in any of this is revision3 responsible for apologizing to *you*? Where is your boycott? where is your real action?

You're behind a keyboard arguing with me, the last person in the world you need to convince that being gay is just peachy and has nothing to do with me or my rights, trying to convince me of just that. Bravo

(I'll let the majority speak for themselves, thank you. I'm sure not gonna let you represent me.)

Bye

damn man, slapping phatlip around...

[quantumblink]

damn man, slapping phatlip around...

fooooo dayyyyyyyyyyz

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Damn, this forum reminds me of high school.

Phatlip, I know people have said this before (and I find the following comment insipid when coming from others), but please please be a bit more thorough in your reading of comments.LOL, you seriously need to give up on that dream right now. Besides, he's too busy owning cops, and investors, and VC's to be worried with reading. He's a busy man.

[krishnancc]

fooooo dayyyyyyyyyyz

What?

[secret-steve-crumbles]

What?What what?