Alternatives to killing animals.

[oldarney]

Whats up with buying dead animals as props? Why cant you use vegan ground meats or toys with fake blood. I love the show, but im not liking that your killing animals blatantly just for the fun of it. Is it possible that you could say buy veggie stock instead of actual meat?

[vidar]

I don't think they're quite killing the animals themselves to make their movies. Most of the time they don't even use actual meat they use pictures of meat like the body cut in half effect. If they wanna use meat they have laying around or buy some for their special effects what difference does it make.

[oldarney]

"Meat Lovers pizza", he is the antichrist of animals (not that im christian). He made that clear in episode 8. It's the Digg Reel Vegies Vs. Film Riot Carnivores. war is a foot.

[jkentcook]

wow this topic makes me chuckle...

[pasquale]

Well, you could always murder real people if using props is so inhumane.

[vangald]

It would be more realistic. You can always try and mimic the effects with makeup if your to squeamish for dealing with meat.

[masherscf]

I also cringe at the idea of using good burger meat for props. Meat is for the barbecue baby!

[nextgenxbox]

Film Riot doesn't kill animals...

[oldarney]

Film Riot doesn't kill animals...

buying a turkey leg isn't killing an animal? that's like saying that paying for underage prostitutes isn't hurting kids.

[vangald]

So you would rather kill a plant? Murderer.

[oldarney]

According to a respected ecologist at Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, "Each year an estimated 41 million tons of plant protein is fed to U.S. livestock to produce an estimated 7 million tons of animal protein for human consumption.
-Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences

that's over 6 times the food per pound of meat. If we were all vegetarians, we would not need to kill 5 of those 6 plants and they would be cleaning the air, unlike live stock which polutes water supply with a surplus of fecal material, among other things.

On top of that, how can you kill something that doesn't have a spinal cord, it cant think or feel...

[vangald]

In the same way I can laugh at you spreading your personal opinions to people who don't want to hear your sensationalist propaganda without asking them if they are interested in the subject. Then call people names when they provide you with entertainment or answers to any of your questions. You know. Me laughing at you for being another self important soupbox preacher on the internet. In other words, me laughing at you for being a disrespectful douche and then wonder why people make jokes in light of you. That sorta thing.

[oldarney]

The proposal of not using real meat in film riot offended you? thats the first time I've heard of anyone being offended by a proposal.

[vangald]

buying a turkey leg isn't killing an animal? that's like saying that paying for underage prostitutes isn't hurting kids.

This remark is sensationalist propaganda. It has no merit to the conversation and is off base.

According to a respected ecologist at Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, "Each year an estimated 41 million tons of plant protein is fed to U.S. livestock to produce an estimated 7 million tons of animal protein for human consumption.
-Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences

that's over 6 times the food per pound of meat. If we were all vegetarians, we would not need to kill 5 of those 6 plants and they would be cleaning the air, unlike live stock which polutes water supply with a surplus of fecal material, among other things.

On top of that, how can you kill something that doesn't have a spinal cord, it cant think or feel...This is going even further off topic. If you want a discussion about what is to be vegan or to rally others to become vegan please make a subject in general discussion.

I posted an alternative method to handling the effects that you may be mentioning.

If you don't like the methods they use feel free to not watch. YOU are a vegan. Everyone is not. And eating meat is not against the law.

Making a request of someone and then turning around and calling them a murderer is not a good way of going about asking a favor. When you sit at the table do you ask the person next to "pass the green beans child molester"? I think not.

[masherscf]

Not buying the meat kills animals. Not buying meat depresses the market. Meat farmers can't sell their meat and can't afford to feed their herds. The herds either starve or are destroyed. If everyone was a vegetarian, it would mean the mass genocide and extinction of animal species. The land that is used to support these grazing animals would need to be used to grow human food.

How's that for animal cruelty.

[pasquale]

The proposal of not using real meat in film riot offended you? thats the first time I've heard of anyone being offended by a proposal.

Watch this :
http://bit.ly/oSKcf

Thanks.
Go meat.

[samureye]

How do you know they don't eat meat anyway and are going to eat what they use?

[masherscf]

How do you know they don't eat meat anyway and are going to eat what they use?

You're so right Sammy. Those bloodthirsty cattle wouldn't bat their pretty eyelashes if the tables were turned. They would devour us hungrily.

[dillacom]

you do know that the animal has been dead for a while when they purchase it for a prop. I don't think a gardenburger would look the same.

[dillacom]

You're so right Sammy. Those bloodthirsty cattle wouldn't bat their pretty eyelashes if the tables were turned. They would devour us hungrily.

get them when they are babies I say! before they can form rational cow thoughts and rise up against us!

[rizza]

get them when they are babies I say! before they can form rational cow thoughts and rise up against us!

The conspiring ones are actually the ones with so called, "mad cow disease." It's really a front for thwarting certain upheaval of the human world order as we know it and becoming slaves of the next, inevitable age in history: The Cow Age.

[mitchnetzer]

This is the funniest threads I've read in a while.

So what say you too animals that eat other animals. If you believe that's ok, and you're associating us eating animals with murder... then you should start training carnivores to eat plants, otherwise you're just as "evil" for letting that happen. Shame on you!

Oh man... I can't wait to see where this thread goes!

[samureye]

I have no idea if Masher was dissing me or not. But OP, you make me laugh, then cry, thinking that you may be serious.

[az0madman]

get them when they are babies I say!

That's what happens in nature! I see it all the time on the Discovery channel. Sure, it's sad when a baby gazelle gets eaten by a lion, but the british narrator tends to ease the pain with his accent.

[chris943]

The proposal of not using real meat in film riot offended you? thats the first time I've heard of anyone being offended by a proposal.

No what offended people was you saying that buying a turkey leg at the market, or using ground beef for the soul purpose of entertainment was the same as buying a underage hooker. That is the most disgusting way to over analyze something I have ever seen. What is the connection? What is the link? Where do you get your rationalization skills?

Look only 5% of Americans are vegans. Humans have been eating turkey, beef, pork and chicken since they ran into those creatures. You know why? It's because those animals preform no real use in nature other then to be a food source to the higher predators. Dogs, cats, lion, tiger and etc...(including humans) will always eat food. The animals that have a real role in nature other then to be food don't become it; horses, goat, dogs and cats for example.

They bought the FOOD at a market, so they used some of it as props, so what. I hope they ate that turkey leg after the shot or that would of been a waste of a damn good turkey leg. The ground beef, it's not like they used all of it, they ate some of it I would believe.

In short, get over yourself, it's an animal whose point of existence is to eat and be eaten. I know what you're going to say, "Humans don't HAVE to eat animals because they are omnivorous they can survive off of meat and plants." Yes we can, you can chose to eat nothing but plants and survive. That is a chose you made for yourself. Heres some rationalization for you. Belittling me because I eat meat is no different then a KKK member being racist toward a minority just for being that minority. The difference is you chose to be different.

P.S. Humans are animals and eat prey. Do you get offended watching the Discovery Channel where a lion eats a buffalo? It's the same thing, but at least humans just kill the animal and not rip it to shreds while it's still alive. Give us some credit.

[oldarney]

No what offended people was you saying that buying a turkey leg at the market, or using ground beef for the soul purpose of entertainment was the same as buying a underage hooker. That is the most disgusting way to over analyze something I have ever seen. What is the connection? What is the link? Where do you get your rationalization skills?

Look only 5% of Americans are vegans. Humans have been eating turkey, beef, pork and chicken since they ran into those creatures. You know why? It's because those animals preform no real use in nature other then to be a food source to the higher predators. Dogs, cats, lion, tiger and etc...(including humans) will always eat food. The animals that have a real role in nature other then to be food don't become it; horses, goat, dogs and cats for example.

They bought the FOOD at a market, so they used some of it as props, so what. I hope they ate that turkey leg after the shot or that would of been a waste of a damn good turkey leg. The ground beef, it's not like they used all of it, they ate some of it I would believe.

In short, get over yourself, it's an animal whose point of existence is to eat and be eaten. I know what you're going to say, "Humans don't HAVE to eat animals because they are omnivorous they can survive off of meat and plants." Yes we can, you can chose to eat nothing but plants and survive. That is a chose you made for yourself. Heres some rationalization for you. Belittling me because I eat meat is no different then a KKK member being racist toward a minority just for being that minority. The difference is you chose to be different.

P.S. Humans are animals and eat prey. Do you get offended watching the Discovery Channel where a lion eats a buffalo? It's the same thing, but at least humans just kill the animal and not rip it to shreds while it's still alive. Give us some credit.

You sound like the type of person who would take inferior aliens for slaves just because they are intellectually inferior. Who ever said that animals serve no purpose but to feed us?, are you saying that we should exterminate all creatures that cant serve as food for us? What purpose do we as humans serve then? we alter our environment more than another animal in the planet, often times causing ecological disaster.

I did not intend to belittle you at all, I made this thread because I was offended by how Film Riot encourages buying dead animals. Seeing how you are putting race into play, how about this: Caucasians used to make Africans their slaves, often times resulting in harsh punishment. The slave's sole purpose of living was to serve his master. The slaves were often illiterate. Did that give their Masters the right to kill them? just because they were different and not as knowledgeable or rich as their masters?

We are better educated now than we were 6000 years ago. We stopped hunting and settled because it was more efficient and allowed for civilizations. slavery existed since before Egypt. The amount of time something has been occurring for does not serve as any justification in its defense. Neither does the amount of people that support it.

I am not here to defend vegetarianism, I'm here to reduce propaganda in favor of killing animals. To me it's animal cruelty to encourage the use of dead animals for no other purpose than to entertain.

Not buying the meat kills animals. Not buying meat depresses the market. Meat farmers can't sell their meat and can't afford to feed their herds. The herds either starve or are destroyed. If everyone was a vegetarian, it would mean the mass genocide and extinction of animal species. The land that is used to support these grazing animals would need to be used to grow human food.

How's that for animal cruelty.

Why is there an over herding of animals in the first place? they are suffering in crowded farms for their entire lives. I can assure you that if the animals didn't go extinct before we started domesticating them, they'll live on their own. Either that, or nature will take its course. There is a whole lot of land left for us to grow food... not to mention that the animals that become a surplus in case everyone becomes a vegetarian (which eat alot of milk and eggs) can grace off of the new farmland. The population of livestock will reduce naturally without artificial insemination of cows.

Maybe i shouldn't have mentioned that i am a vegan, this has nothing to do with being a vegan or not, its about Killing animals, which is the whole point of this thread.

but I'm sure your just joking.

[cyborger]

Maybe i shouldn't have mentioned that i am a vegan, this has nothing to do with being a vegan or not, its about Killing animals, which is the whole point of this thread.

Killing them for food is ok. Btw I haven't watched this show yet so is there always some dead animal on the show or something? Can someone just clue me in to what's going on please?

[az0madman]

Killing them for food is ok. Btw I haven't watched this show yet so is there always some dead animal on the show or something? Can someone just clue me in to what's going on please?

They recommend using meat to imitate some gore effects like a heart being torn out or a hand bursting through a body. If there's one problem with it that I see, it's that the food is going to waste! Meat is too delicious to be used in such ways!

[cyborger]

They recommend using meat to imitate some gore effects like a heart being torn out or a hand bursting through a body. If there's one problem with it that I see, it's that the food is going to waste! Meat is too delicious to be used in such ways!

Agreed. Meat is meant to be cooked and eaten, not wasted on special effects. Besides don't we have scientific doodads that can mimic flesh or something? Use that stuff.

[carlrules097]

just throwin this out there, but buying meat that's already cut up like the turkey leg or the ground beef is killing the animal. When you buy those things, the animal is dead already so saying the filmriot guys kill animals is kinda dumb. You can't kill something that's already dead. And also for the record I am all about animal rights but at the same time i meat like any other carnivore in the animal kingdom.

[sonicstripes]

Let's put it this way. If an animal has already been killed and you buy the meat for whatever use then it isn't a waste because the meat is being used for something. Wether it be cooking, using as a special effect, whatever. It's exactly the same as wearing a pair of leather shoes or a leather jacket. They're left overs so using them for something else isn't a bad thing. It's the opposite, it's a good thing.

[danhauk]

Let's put it this way. If an animal has already been killed and you buy the meat for whatever use then it isn't a waste because the meat is being used for something. Wether it be cooking, using as a special effect, whatever. It's exactly the same as wearing a pair of leather shoes or a leather jacket. They're left overs so using them for something else isn't a bad thing. It's the opposite, it's a good thing.

Kind of like Native Americans killing the buffalo to eat it and using the bones and skin for tools and clothing. It was killed for food, so why waste it?

[pasquale]

So anyone down for a film riot bbq/grill party?

[masherscf]

Why is there an over herding of animals in the first place? they are suffering in crowded farms for their entire lives. I can assure you that if the animals didn't go extinct before we started domesticating them, they'll live on their own. Either that, or nature will take its course. There is a whole lot of land left for us to grow food... not to mention that the animals that become a surplus in case everyone becomes a vegetarian (which eat alot of milk and eggs) can grace off of the new farmland. The population of livestock will reduce naturally without artificial insemination of cows.

Who said anything about over farming and crowded animals. there is good farming and bad farming. Bad farming produces bad meat. So, I like good farms.

I hate to tell you, most of these domestic animals where bred by humans over thousands of years. They didn't exist before humans. Most breeds are so ill suited to life in the wild, they can't even reproduce without help from men.

The other issue is the human population is much bigger than in the prehistoric past. Every large mammal that competes with humans for resources is on the brink of extinction. Yet, large mammal species that are in partnership with man flourish.

Humans and cattle have a symbiosis. Not all land is suitable for cultivating human food crops. The types of plant foods that humans can eat is actually rather limited when compared to other species. Cattle can consume common plant matter and grasses that we cannot. They convert that plant matter into milk and meat that we can consume. In return, we deliver their food, with give them warm places to live, we help them breed, we keep them healthy, safe and they thrive by the millions. It's a win-win for both sides. These silly notions that some humans have about animal suffering and enslavement are preposterous. These are animals, not humans. They have no society and culture to put these things in perspective. Animals exists to pass along there genes. That is all they care about.

[grayson]

Dogs, cats, lion, tiger and etc...(including humans) will always eat food. The animals that have a real role in nature other then to be food don't become it; horses, goat, dogs and cats for example.
I'd just like to point out (for no good reason at all) that in many cultures, goat is used as food and it's delicious. Deer as well.

Justify it like this: The only reason that cows live is to be raised to make milk, and then killed and made into meat. That's why we breed cows. TO EAT THEM. We drink their milk too, even though they make that for their children. Many animals are only alive because we find them delicious and so we breed them and make sure they don't die... Then some idiot gets frisky with a pig and BAM! Swine Flu spreads throughout Mexico. :p

[oliverblank]

I'm not going to add anything to this meat debate. I'd rather just avoid it.
But I will say, from my experience organizing and running Zombie Walks for going on four years, if you want an alternative to simulate a small portion of muscle tissue, one option you can try is soaking big stalks of asparagus in red dye, and removing the skin from them. What is left are long clumps of stringy red material that looks a bit like muscle.
This works best though for if you use it for things like lining the inside of a big fake gash, and dubiously, if you're looking to REMOVE any piece of flesh during shooting anything.
There's a lot of other, similar things you can do, if you have the time, patience and a bit of creativity.
White candles can be used for bones.
DECENT fake wounds can be made with a bit of glue and toilet paper, and some paint.
You can make a bit of intestine with condoms or party balloons, and something to stuff them with.
Or you can actually take the time and effort to SCULPT and paint pieces.

And if you're looking for cheap latex stuff, go to places like planned parenthood or student health clinics, and see if they have dental dams. Sometimes they do. And then you have a big, free, sheet of latex at your disposal.

Truth is, for a lot of things, meat is easier and more realistic. But if you absolutely refuse to go that direction, there are plenty of other options.
You just need to think about the problem with an open mind, and you'll find an answer somewhere.

Also for fake blood, I prefer RIT brand clothing dye.
It does stain a little bit, but less so if you dilute it, and it looks like, runs like, dries like, and even kinda tastes like real human blood. You can apply it directly from the bottle, or get one of those really cheap, generic spray bottles that some people use to water their plants. And then you can have a thick spray or a fine mist, with complete control.