Dollhouse - Original pilot and unaired 13th episode leaked. [Archive]

maracle

07-19-2009, 02:29 AM

F'ING MIND BLOWING.

how can a show made by a mire mortal be this good? wtf dos this all mean for season 2? are they going to pick up hear, after an ep that a fraction of people that got the DVD (or some other method) saw? or are they going to go back after ep 13 and fill in more of the blanks. is joss weden just skipping like 4 seasons because hes scared that it will get canned by fox?
so many questions, so little executive faith.

krypt

07-19-2009, 02:41 AM

must...see....
must...find...

quence

07-19-2009, 04:01 AM

The 13th show was INCREDIBLE. As a huge Joss Whedon fan, I enjoyed the first season of Dollhouse, but recognized that it had a lot of issues. However, this episode was good enough to make me forgive anything else I might not have liked earlier in the season. It provided some really interesting new ideas about where the show could go. I'm curious how they'll work this stuff in, especially considering that most people won't have watched this since it didn't air. (Then again, most people didn't watch the show anyway.)

I also heard that the original pilot was very good, and should never have been scrapped in the first place.

In summary: I am VERY excited about season two. Can't wait.

scoobydiesel

07-19-2009, 09:14 AM

so....fricken...tempted... to buy series

sugarsickness

07-19-2009, 09:18 AM

I am so excited to see this. The show got pretty cool towards the end.

Must, ahem, acquire.... D:<

wideawakewesley

07-19-2009, 10:31 AM

Have acquired both, but not watched yet.

crzy8sal

07-19-2009, 07:14 PM

It was amazing. Really awesome. Can't wait for season 2.

I'm a bit worried though that season 2 isn't going to pick up where this left up. Like, it might just pick up after the end of episode 12 and then slooowly work up to this.

Is Fox going to air this episode before season 2 or what? I'm a bit worried... Going back now after this episode would be a real shame.

Bret

07-19-2009, 11:53 PM

compared to firefly im not really into this show, i watch it passively just to keep up with whedons work. The show would be much better with a higher caliber actress portraying echo, and i loved it when tudyk came into the show.

sugarsickness

07-20-2009, 01:24 AM

I dont think its airing at all, so whether or not ep13 will really matter anytime soon is sort of unclear, as far as I've heard.

The original pilot was VERY much better than that first half of the season and ep13 was, for the most part, incredible. There was some dialog that stuck out enough to make me cringe but on the whole it was very incredible, although probably too far a jump to just go into that for season 2.

I could see season 3 starting with it, though.

maracle

07-20-2009, 02:05 AM

i wonder if it will be on hulu?

sugarsickness

07-20-2009, 02:29 AM

Since it's not actually airing and only on the DVD, I'd guess not, but that would be cool.

lavahot

07-20-2009, 06:43 AM

I think 13 is an interesting episode. It signifies the inevitable progression of the use of this technology. It is such an interesting show, asking really hard questions like, "what is a person?" It goes so far as to show that identity is extremely fragile in the face of such technology. My question is where does the series go from here? It's paths seem limited given the path that it's taken.

BTW: Is that the bully from A Christmas Story?

wideawakewesley

07-20-2009, 02:07 PM

Loved Ep 13! Can't wait to see how it fits into the whole show and where season 2 starts off from now.

darknessgp

07-20-2009, 03:04 PM

Ep 13 was a great episode, but definitely vastly changes the show. I'm really interested to see where they take it, are they just going to stay in the future? I highly doubt they'll go back to the serialized job of the week format like Season 1 was... Which, IMO, was just setting up for this. Sad that this wasn't aired, it definitely shows the great direction the show is headed.

gglynn00

07-22-2009, 09:12 PM

Uhm...I'm speechless...for some reason episode 13 just didn't strike well with me. I guess the main reason is that it was so vastly different. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was totally cool, but I don't know if I'm ready to lose the entire set up of the first season just to skew in this direction.

Of course, seeing Felicia Day was well worth it!!!!

cwilkey

07-22-2009, 10:54 PM

I'm waiting for the arrival of my ComicCon edition Dollhouse Blu-Rays, but it took everything to not "procure" these episodes as soon as I heard they were "available"...

rokov

07-24-2009, 06:36 AM

Ep. 13 was amazing, quite possibly the best work that Joss has ever done. I doubt it will have anything to do with season 2, though. It seemed to me to be the finale that would wrap everything up if the show wasn't going to be renewed, which is why it never aired. The only question that it left unanswered is how Alpha became a good guy (he helped Echo set up Safe Haven).

poltah

07-25-2009, 04:45 PM

Epitaph One really sums up how I feel about Dollhouse. It has the poor writing of season one, and it's nothing but a promise.

All through season one we had to listen to Whedon going "Just hang on till episode six, that's really where we hit our stride", and episode 6 hit and it was great. Then episode 7 hit and it was just as bad as the previous episodes.
Then Dushku began her "Episode 8 guys! And episode 12. Gonna be awesome".

And the only reason I watched this show was the promise that it might be good. Because it's Joss Whedon after all.

Now we got Epitaph One. And to me, this episode is nothing but the creators shouting at us "See! SEE! This show isn't just about a high tech brothel! Look, we have an arch! We have something planned! Oh just you wait, it's going to get real good".

I find that hard to believe though.

This episode felt cheap. It didn't feel like Joss Whedon.

I don't understand how people are so up in arms. Of course there's the big "WTF?" when you see that it's a future. But other than that, it's not original at all. It's not interesting, and it's not well written.

So bad dialog.

th3-space-pope

07-25-2009, 05:55 PM

I've only got around to watching the 13th episode so far and honestly it made up for the entire first season that I sat through mostly out of some bizarre Whedon loyalty, which I incidentally didn't realise I had until I thought about why I watched the show at all, such is the power Firefly has over nerds I suppose.

kzap

07-25-2009, 06:01 PM

Has anyone else seen this?

The 13th episode is one of the best 50 minutes of television I have ever seen.
Just so you know, the 13th episode, isn't 'unaired', it's unaired in the USA, it will be shown everywhere else on TV expect the US.
Unless you mean unaired, in that it hasn't been aired yet.
Anyway I won't torrent the leaked version, I'll wait for the DVD, although I would buy it either way, my ISP have their eye on me at the moment and want to discount me at the first sign of 'suspicious activity' anyway I heard the final episode was good.

djhyjak

07-25-2009, 06:10 PM

Whedon worshipers are just like abused spouses, Whedon can treat his fans like crap and all he has to say is I'm sorry its gonna be better i promise, then do it again. Fans are like you don't understand he loves us you will see its gonna be better he promised. I know it will cause he has done it to us before and it would have been great if the evil networks did cancel him.

After watching this stupid episode i came away thinking this cast sans 2 people are great and i think Duskus character was played better by the little girl.

And it doesn't make since how the world would go to crap so easy and so fast.

th3-space-pope

07-25-2009, 06:12 PM

Anyway I won't torrent the leaked version, I'll wait for the DVD, although I would buy it either way, my ISP have their eye on me at the moment and want to discount me at the first sign of 'suspicious activity' anyway I heard the final episode was good.

http://torrentfreak.com/download-torrents-anonymously-with-torrentprivacy-080812/

;)

poltah

07-25-2009, 08:44 PM

Whedon worshipers are just like abused spouses, Whedon can treat his fans like crap and all he has to say is I'm sorry its gonna be better i promise, then do it again.

That's a really dumb analogy.
Dollhouse is a terrible show in my opinion, but Whedon is one of the most fanfriendly people out there.
Hell, he gave us Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along-Blog for free.

falen

07-26-2009, 01:09 PM

HOW COULD THEY NOT AIR THIS?!?!?!

Sorry for the yelling there, but episode 13 was the best Dollhouse episode yet and proves Joss Whedon is a master of his craft. Dollhouse was my least favorite show Whedon has made, but this episode was up there with the best of Buffy and Angel.

kilroyperrywinkle

07-26-2009, 11:34 PM

I want to watch this show.

I get Dollhouse now... only if the first 12 episodes were primers for this ending. If this isn't the next season... well it's a cop out. The story they started and characters they gave us in the 13th episode were by far the best of the series.

But we won't get that show. We'll get... something more watered down and with a lot more Dusku and a lot less awesomeness.

shypsicreative

07-27-2009, 12:49 AM

I loved Dollhouse from beginning to end but the ending episodes were really awesome.

Everybody has been saying Epitaph One was such a great episode. So, I might have to go ahead and acquire it.

I'll start using that word more..."acquire"...lol. It fits so perfectly.

djhyjak

07-27-2009, 07:06 AM

That's a really dumb analogy.
Dollhouse is a terrible show in my opinion, but Whedon is one of the most fanfriendly people out there.
Hell, he gave us Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along-Blog for free.

like i said they excuse the bad because they live off the promise that things will be good again just like the past.

doesnt really matter tho, and we got all his shows for free

poltah

07-27-2009, 10:51 AM

like i said they excuse the bad because they live off the promise that things will be good again just like the past.

doesnt really matter tho, and we got all his shows for free

What?

wideawakewesley

07-27-2009, 12:18 PM

gglynn00

07-27-2009, 12:28 PM

darknessgp

07-27-2009, 02:43 PM

My question is how they are going to do season 2? I'm thinking a blend of "future" episodes mixed with serial episodes. I mean it's apparently been green lighted since Joss and Eliza were at comicon promoting the show.

Does anyone who went to comicon know if they were announcing a season 2?

If anything I'd say, they would air this episode and the rest of season 2 would be similar. Takes place in future with flash backs.

lavahot

07-27-2009, 03:51 PM

I didn't stick around for the Q&A because I had to get to the TRS Live! show.

bjkrautk

07-28-2009, 06:19 PM

For the benefit of those of us who plan to Netflix Ep. 13....I assume it's on DVD 4 of the boxed set?

loungepotato

07-28-2009, 07:17 PM

I didn't stick around for the Q&A because I had to get to the TRS Live! show.

Same thing happened to me (Fran Kanz came out five minutes after I left D: ), but my friends filled me in about some stuff. I'm going to assume that's not okay to talk about unless I hear otherwise, but I was pretty much in the same "WTF?!?" mode, and now can't wait to see Season 2. Then again, I was one of those people who enjoyed the entire second half of the season.

gglynn00

07-29-2009, 02:24 PM

For the benefit of those of us who plan to Netflix Ep. 13....I assume it's on DVD 4 of the boxed set?

Yeah, from what I can gather from Amazon, that seems to be the case.

valencialegend

07-29-2009, 06:39 PM

Have not heard much about this show. Searching now for some kind of trailer and deciding wether or not to pick it up.

bjkrautk

08-10-2009, 04:29 PM

Netflix came through for me over the weekend. How do you go about making a season 2 without airing that episode (in the domestic market)?

Anyone who liked the show enough to track down the episode (either in DVDs, or some other way) is going to be disappointed if they stick with the details of the present....since they already know how things are going to play out.
On the other hand, anyone who doesn't watch Epitaph 1 would be confused as all hell when they see Felicia Day, Christopher Titus' younger brother from that show a few years back, and a girl I couldn't quite place (Note: Molly from Heroes S.2; thanks IMDB) walking around in dystopia, hating on all things 'tech.'

The episode feels very much as though it was written in anticipation that the show would be cancelled....so they went ahead and put all their cards out on the table. How do you put the genie back into the bottle for a second season?

wideawakewesley

08-10-2009, 04:50 PM

Anyone who liked the show enough to track down the episode (either in DVDs, or some other way) is going to be disappointed if they stick with the details of the present....since they already know how things are going to play out

Joss has confirmed the second season will be set in the present, but also visit the future. Remember, seeing the future didn't hurt the Terminator or Lost.

;)

jtv

08-10-2009, 05:36 PM

How do you go about making a season 2 without airing that episode (in the domestic market)?

It's Fox.

Do you think they care anything about continuity or programming quality?

They came this || close to replacing the original Futurama voice actors for the new episodes.

satori

08-10-2009, 06:45 PM

or how about deliberately showing Firefly in the wrong order... ack!

jtv

08-10-2009, 06:51 PM

darknessgp

08-10-2009, 07:22 PM

I'm actually surprised that Joss went back to Fox after the way they treated Firefly. Particularly since he had such success with Buffy on a smaller network.

I don't know if they're the only network who agreed to do it, or he has some kind of contract with them or something, or maybe I'm just naive to the way television works, but I'd rather see it on a network that is willing to commit to it.

knowing Fox, they probably offered him some amazing deal, and then after Joss signed it they went "Oh BTW, you have to change this, this, this, etc. Oh, don't like that? Should have read the fine print!"

When it comes to original content, I always entertain the idea that Fox is trying to screw over the creators.

kasey24601

08-12-2009, 07:57 PM

Did anyone notice the similarities in the 13th episode to Steven King's "Cell"?

jtv

08-27-2009, 05:54 PM

amg

River Tam joins the cast of Dollhouse:

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html

I wasn't going to watch Season 2, but now I am. Touche Joss Whedon, touche...

Also, Colonel Tigh!

nshady

09-07-2009, 08:37 AM

I went into Dollhouse with very low expectations. Everything I'd heard decried it as awful. So after a few weeks of watching I had to admit that I was enjoying it. Yes, there was a lot of cringeworthy stuff, particularly in the first five episodes, but at the same time I enjoyed it on a passive, popcorn level (like True Blood). And then it actually began to improve, reaching the actually pretty awesome 11th and 12th episodes.

Here in Australia, the network promoted Epitaph one as a one-off special called Dollhouse: The Future Project (I know...), which was also great. While I do feel a bit 'meh' about the post-apocalyptic future thing - it's been done, and felt very Terminatory - I enjoyed seeing where the characters ended up. II know a lot of people found it hard to connect with the characters, particularly Topher, but I actually really liked Fran Kranz's portrayal and thought he did a particularly good job in Epitaph One. I guess what hooked me was the preise and the future tech, which was fleshed out further in the 13th ep.

Anyway, just thought I'd put down my thoughts.