How often will non iPhone apps be reviewed

[deadkenndys1105]

Its not that I hate the iPhone (yes I do) but the iPhone gets insane amounts of coverage everywhere. Personally im an Android user and often feel like we get left out in the cold. Is there going to be a good balance for all platforms or well it be more iPhone heavy?

[comeoneileen]

Its not that I hate the iPhone (yes I do) but the iPhone gets insane amounts of coverage everywhere. Personally im an Android user and often feel like we get left out in the cold. Is there going to be a good balance for all platforms or well it be more iPhone heavy?

I will admit at first it will be iPhone heavy, but that will soon evolve -- very soon. Watch Friday's episode for an Android App review! Also, we won't hold back in making fun of the iPhone. You'll see.

Eileen

[deadkenndys1105]

I will admit at first it will be iPhone heavy, but that will soon evolve -- very soon. Watch Friday's episode for an Android App review! Also, we won't hold back in making fun of the iPhone. You'll see.

Eileen

Well thats some good news. It makes seance to be kinda iPhone based because there are more apps and it has a larger base of users but the rest of us need some attention to.

[merry]

I will admit at first it will be iPhone heavy, but that will soon evolve -- very soon. Watch Friday's episode for an Android App review! Also, we won't hold back in making fun of the iPhone. You'll see.

Eileen

OK, wake me up when you get to Blackberry aps. Granted, there are not as many aps, but there are a whole lot of us using the thing!

[oldarney]

OK, wake me up when you get to Blackberry aps. Granted, there are not as many aps, but there are a whole lot of us using the thing!

Blackberry user here.

Its true there are alot of us and not enough apps. I am a developer and i was looking into development for the Blackberry, apparently RIM isn't very loyal to developers... they break aps with every model and bow down to the carriers.

the iPhone pulled the stunt Windows 95 pulled, made a good environment for development and allowed the developers to make aps and money.

anyways, i think making an android/rim segment on fridays sounds awesome. I don't have hopes for RIM though since aps aren't necessarily compatible across models, specially games.

[obsidion]

Why focus on a single phone to review 4 or 5 apps during an episode? Seems like you could do a Twitter episode, talk about the best Twitter app for each major phone, then a couple of runner ups. If you do iPhone, Android, BB, Pre, thats four segments, plus a couple of "I like it, but..." Granted, if you have to sift through 10 apps on each phone first, it could become time consuming for the testers, but it sure looked like you had a large amount of them in the first episode...

[forbizzle]

Can your black berry do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agBMHwtdLJ0

I understand that BB has a larger install base, and that they should probably have included something on it when they're reviewing things like Twitter apps. But the iPhone is where all the developer focus is right now because the system is powerful and the user base spends money.

How many of those BB devices are payed for by companies? How many people that own them are techno-savy enough to seek out something to put on their phone, or desire to use anything other than the base functionality provided by RIM.

As a developer, I can tell you I'd much rather whip together a simple J2ME application than learn Objective-C and a bunch of new GUI APIs on the apple. But that's simply not where the market is.

This argument is similar to the one faced by video game reviewers, who know the Wii dominates the market but are more interested in the Xbox and PS3 that have the power and audience they're interested in.

With high price ticket and long-term commitments forced upon people, it's no suprise these devices breed fanboys. But I expect this show will feed it's audience. If they perform a survey (which I hope they do soon), they should be able to see a breakdown of the popularity of each device by percentage, and hopefully represent that device proportionally in the show.

They probably already have some indication based on user-agent headers from requests to m.revision3.com

[tokenuser]

Can your black berry do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agBMHwtdLJ0Very true ... but you might want to ask me that while I am sitting in an airport - or driving down the I-77 - tethered with my Blackberry to my XP or OSX based laptops, using my unlimited data plan.

Not being game focused does not make the BB any less of a device ... and the BB Storm is pretty slick in and of itself, but playing games doesn't go down too well in the boardroom.

[forbizzle]

Not being game focused does not make the BB any less of a device ... and the BB Storm is pretty slick in and of itself, but playing games doesn't go down too well in the boardroom.

True, as far too many people don't realize, neither does playing with your phone. I work at a company with about 60,000 employees, and trust me the true executives are focused and are able to manage their time without constantly checking thelr phones.

[tokenuser]

True, as far too many people don't realize, neither does playing with your phone. I work at a company with about 60,000 employees, and trust me the true executives are focused and are able to manage their time without constantly checking thelr phones.Depends how they are using their phone. You can bet they aren't twittering on it.

BUT - many execs use their phone for email (a good exec "batches" email time though ... meeting time is meeting time), and as a replacement for the venerable dayplanner. With a good PA in the background feeding the exec the information they need during the day a SmartPhone is an invaluable tool, which is why Blackberry have cornered the corporate space.

[masherscf]

Very true ... but you might want to ask me that while I am sitting in an airport - or driving down the I-77 - tethered with my Blackberry to my XP or OSX based laptops, using my unlimited data plan.

Not being game focused does not make the BB any less of a device ... and the BB Storm is pretty slick in and of itself, but playing games doesn't go down too well in the boardroom.

My Blackberry Pearl is not the game devices or media player that the IpHone is. But, it's small size gives it something that the iPhone lacks... extended battery life. I use my Blackberry heavily all day..often for 18 hours at a time and the battery has never failed.

[masterq]

Very true ... but you might want to ask me that while I am sitting in an airport - or driving down the I-77 - tethered with my Blackberry to my XP or OSX based laptops, using my unlimited data plan.

Not being game focused does not make the BB any less of a device ... and the BB Storm is pretty slick in and of itself, but playing games doesn't go down too well in the boardroom.

Granted iPhones didn't have tethering until now, but I don't think the tethering should be part of the argument against iPhones. They do allow tethering, however it is AT&T that doesn't support it yet and will probably make it suck. The carrier is the only problem there.

Now on to the blackberry storm... I agree blackberries are great (although I prefer the iPhone), especially for corporate use, but the storm is a HUGE exception. The storm is pure crap IMO. It was clearly made for the sole purpose of being a direct iPhone competitor because most corporate users at this time prefer a tactile keyboard. Most of the phone's feel is a direct ripoff of the iPhone. Blackberry can do keyboards well but it obviously isn't ready for full touch screens yet.

[tokenuser]

Granted iPhones didn't have tethering until now, but I don't think the tethering should be part of the argument against iPhones. They do allow tethering, however it is AT&T that doesn't support it yet and will probably make it suck. The carrier is the only problem there.And therein lies one of the biggest problems with the iPhone - the carrier. Notice that the device has "phone" in its name. That part ties it pretty closely with a carrier, and its a shame that that carrier happens to be AT&T. If you are going to consider the iPhone without the carrier, you are talking about the iPoid touch (which I happen to own, so I am not anti-apple by any means).
Now on to the blackberry storm... I agree blackberries are great (although I prefer the iPhone), especially for corporate use, but the storm is a HUGE exception. The storm is pure crap IMO. It was clearly made for the sole purpose of being a direct iPhone competitor because most corporate users at this time prefer a tactile keyboard. Most of the phone's feel is a direct ripoff of the iPhone. Blackberry can do keyboards well but it obviously isn't ready for full touch screens yet.I have (had - still "have", but due to corporate consolidation of phone plans, I got moved from Verizon to Sprint, which doesn't support the Storm, so I now have a Tour) a Storm.

Out of the box it was a POC. Not complete crap, but it had enough issues to make it painful to use. However a couple of firmware upgrades (found via the Crackberry.com website) and the device was amazing. It was a little odd at first but the click screen motif for tactile feedback is really quite good. I found myself trying to click the screen on my touch. The biggest issue is that third party apps are geared towards the physical keyboard and screen size, so did not scale to the expanded screen or virtual keyboard particularly well. It feels like a 1.0 device ... and in comparison to the iPhone's first release it was a phenominal 1.0 device that is comparable to the iPhone 3GS in *most* of its feature set (missing wifi). But, RIM didn't get the developer community as onboard and engaged as Apple has - and that is an issue.

I predict that the Storm 2 (which does include Wifi BTW) will push iPhones back out of the boardrooms where they are creeping. The iPhone and BB are not an "us" vs "them" market. They really do target different demographic groups. RIM has always gone after the corporate user, while iPhones were targetted at the upwardly mobile consumer. There is overlap in those markets, but it is competition that can only benefit both platforms.

[masterq]

And therein lies one of the biggest problems with the iPhone - the carrier. Notice that the device has "phone" in its name. That part ties it pretty closely with a carrier, and its a shame that that carrier happens to be AT&T. If you are going to consider the iPhone without the carrier, you are talking about the iPoid touch (which I happen to own, so I am not anti-apple by any means).

I was comparing devices, not carriers. And to leave the carrier out of it does not mean I should refer to the iPod Touch because the iPod Touch is NOT a phone (which this discussion is about) and it is NOT simply an iPhone without the phone (lacks other features as well and has different technical specifications). Apples and oranges... no pun intended.

[tokenuser]

I was comparing devices, not carriers.The carrier becomes an important part of the equation when discussing the phone. Wifi is not all pervasive, and AT&T has really crappy coverage once you move beyond metro areas - and when they do have coverage, it is not at 3G class speeds for data.

I appreciate that there is a difference between the iPhone and the iPod touch (I develop software for the things ... and have done so for Blackberry and PalmOS devices in the past).

[masterq]

The carrier becomes an important part of the equation when discussing the phone.

I disagree. The iPhone can be on many different networks. Although only officially supported by AT&T in the US, it can also be on T-Mobile or any other GSM carrier, and the mileage varies for each. When reviewing a computer do you take what ISP the computer uses into consideration? Computers rely heavily on the internet (ISP) just as phones rely on their carrier, although phones were designed to utilize the ISP more. It's just my opinion, but I don't like to take the carrier into consideration. It's not apple's fault AT&T sucks the way it does and it also doesn't add anything to the storm just because it's on verizon. Again, thats just the way I see it.

[tokenuser]

I disagree. The iPhone can be on many different networks. Although only officially supported by AT&T in the US, it can also be on T-Mobile or any other GSM carrier, and the mileage varies for each. When reviewing a computer do you take what ISP the computer uses into consideration? Computers rely heavily on the internet (ISP) just as phones rely on their carrier, although phones were designed to utilize the ISP more. It's just my opinion, but I don't like to take the carrier into consideration. It's not apple's fault AT&T sucks the way it does and it also doesn't add anything to the storm just because it's on verizon. Again, thats just the way I see it.If you are talking online connectivity on the computer, it absolutely depends upon the ISP. In many ways the computer is secondary to those discussions. If Comcast has caps but Time Warner don't and you are running into bandwith limitations (throttling), then discussing internet access without talking about the ISP is a moot point.

[masterq]

If you are talking online connectivity on the computer, it absolutely depends upon the ISP. In many ways the computer is secondary to those discussions. If Comcast has caps but Time Warner don't and you are running into bandwith limitations (throttling), then discussing internet access without talking about the ISP is a moot point.

I meant that if u are comparing computers u wouldn't take into account the ISP because that has nothing to do with the computer itself. When comparing phones I don't take into account the network that it is "supposed" to be on because it has nothing to do with the phone itself. I'm getting very confused on where this conversation is going now lol.

My point is that the iPhone is a good "phone" (mobile computer that uses the cellular network to connect to the internet and to make phone calls) on a shitty network. The storm is a shitty "phone" on a good network. The networks don't change the fact that the iPhone is a good phone and the storm is a shitty phone. If the storm was on AT&T it would still be shitty and if the iPhone was on verizon it would still be good.

[oldarney]

I meant that if u are comparing computers u wouldn't take into account the ISP because that has nothing to do with the computer itself.

The difference is that computers are not locked to an ISP. Apparently this show will have 1/3 of its episodes been non iphone for the moment. Wonder what will happen when zune HD comes out and 3D's Xbox games get ported over. I guess this is isn't just for phones.

[phatlip]

I meant that if u are comparing computers u wouldn't take into account the ISP because that has nothing to do with the computer itself. When comparing phones I don't take into account the network that it is "supposed" to be on because it has nothing to do with the phone itself. I'm getting very confused on where this conversation is going now lol.

My point is that the iPhone is a good "phone" (mobile computer that uses the cellular network to connect to the internet and to make phone calls) on a shitty network. The storm is a shitty "phone" on a good network. The networks don't change the fact that the iPhone is a good phone and the storm is a shitty phone. If the storm was on AT&T it would still be shitty and if the iPhone was on verizon it would still be good.

How is the Storm a shitty phone? I own a Storm and I'm really happy with it. If you're running the OS that came with the phone it has it's problems. But if you update the firmware it fixes those problems and the phone works just fine. I have the 4.7.0.148 firmware and it works great.

So how does it suck if you upgrade the firmware?

Also, it's stupid to ignore the carrier when talking about phones. Both are equally important. The phone is useless if the service is crap and the service is useless if the phone is crap.

[judaz]

Well thats some good news. It makes seance to be kinda iPhone based because there are more apps and it has a larger base of users but the rest of us need some attention to.

Hardly more users the Symbian. And iPhone hardly has more apps then symbian either.

Blackberry seems like its mostly used in America.

...making a show on the Internet should be aimed at the world ..no?

[tokenuser]

...making a show on the Internet should be aimed at the world ..no?No. You make a show for the target demographic.

[judaz]

No. You make a show for the target demographic.

American iPhone users then... ?