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jackierulesall
09-17-2009, 07:04 AM
Think you're smart? Wait until you see the surprising results of the memory test...

Watch or download now! (http://revision3.com/scamschool/memorygame)

falkoz
09-17-2009, 10:34 AM
And here comes the real memory test: What was the name of the first pet Serafina really loved?
Don't know? Take a look at the Episode "How To Read Minds with Mental Mastery"

doxid
09-17-2009, 11:10 AM
Actually got no false words.

However i didn't get many of them in total.
First test was 5 words (door, house, open, sill, sash).
Second test i got 6 :P (Sick, Nurse, Health, Lawyer, Office, Hospital)

Was a fun test, i like to figure out how the mind works and why things happen as they do :D

t2t2
09-17-2009, 02:21 PM
Hmm... Recycling "Scams, Sasquatch and the Supernatural"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfhIuaD183I

I managed to get a wrong one, usually not good at remembering lists of stuff:

First: House Door Shutter Window Frame Open
Second: Nurse Sick Hospital Patient Surgeon

shwooddotcom
09-17-2009, 03:15 PM
And here comes the real memory test: What was the name of the first pet Serafina really loved?
Don't know? Take a look at the Episode "How To Read Minds with Mental Mastery"

ICEY! (wow... why do I remember that?)

shwooddotcom
09-17-2009, 03:18 PM
Hmm... Recycling "Scams, Sasquatch and the Supernatural"?

"recycling" implies everyone had seen it before. As a percentage, virtually none of the Scam School audience has tried this experiment yet... and it's a killer experience!

rabidbadger
09-17-2009, 05:17 PM
Yeah, I was glad to see this in scam school. False memory needs more exposure. Too many folks in jail 'cause of it, and other unfortunate things.

Brian, got any cool links about it?

danhauk
09-17-2009, 05:30 PM
Pretty crazy how that works. I did alright with the first round, but the second round got me.

xfuuey
09-17-2009, 06:08 PM
Actually got no false words.

However i didn't get many of them in total.
First test was 5 words (door, house, open, sill, sash).
Second test i got 6 :P (Sick, Nurse, Health, Lawyer, Office, Hospital)

Was a fun test, i like to figure out how the mind works and why things happen as they do :D

Same. I got 7 on 1st & 7 on 2nd. guess i was lucky *shrug*
Good episode though :)

thekendon
09-17-2009, 06:16 PM
"recycling" implies everyone had seen it before. As a percentage, virtually none of the Scam School audience has tried this experiment yet... and it's a killer experience!

Having also seen it before, I was happy to see it as an episode of scam school. It was cool to see whether I would write any false words or not, knowing that it was the point of the episode. Turns out I didn't write any, but interestingly I wrote down the first few (4-6) words of the list (in the order listed) and my last word was the last word that Brian said. As I was writing I remembered the first words as written words, but the last word as a spoken word. It was a weird experience and might not have happened unless Brian had introduced this experiment to the Scam School-only fans.

That said, I think my mind would be blown if Brian ever revealed some scam/trick/experiment on the BBLiveShow and then did a similar scam/trick/experiment (similar enough to make us believe that it is the same) with a different result. THAT would be the ultimate scam.

guytheninja
09-17-2009, 08:27 PM
"recycling" implies everyone had seen it before. As a percentage, virtually none of the Scam School audience has tried this experiment yet... and it's a killer experience!

I knew this looked familiar ;).


Yeah, I was glad to see this in scam school. False memory needs more exposure. Too many folks in jail 'cause of it, and other unfortunate things.
Brian, got any cool links about it?


It seems to me that if Brian had asked the audience to memorize 4-7 things, their memories would have been closer to the mark. Why? Because Working memory in Humans has a max of 7 units.
Working memory is generally considered to have limited capacity. The earliest quantification of the capacity limit associated with short-term memory was the "magical number seven" introduced by Miller (1956).[13] He noticed that the memory span of young adults was around seven elements, called chunks, regardless whether the elements were digits, letters, words, or other units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_memory

I'm very curious if going over the working memory limit causes false memories -- or if false memories are totally independent of working memory. Its all interesting stuff.

brainblower
09-17-2009, 08:31 PM
I didnt get any false words... I was thinking about doctor, but I dindt write it cos I wasnt sure

molnies
09-17-2009, 08:40 PM
I've never heard about this experiment before, so I glad it was on Scam School.

I didn't get any false words either, got 10 on each. The first one I actually thought of the majority of the words as photography related instead of house related (like open, screen, shutter, curtain etc) and the second set of words I made into a little short story about a sick and ill patient.

But as Brian said it's quick at first but then it really slows down, I think I wrote like 7-8 words during the first 30 sec, and then just 2-3 more after that during both tests.

rebrain
09-17-2009, 10:04 PM
Good Going!

The person who got everything right, and therefore has the best memory, will get free drinks as a present, so that they can kill those grey cells in their brain ;)

marlin4774
09-17-2009, 10:45 PM
i can honestly say i didnt get either cause i knew waht to except after sss

invertedlens
09-17-2009, 11:26 PM
First time out I got 8 words with one false word, panel. It was the last word I wrote down and it was at the point I had written down everything I actively remembered and was trying to find something that sounded like it fit.

The second time I again got 8 words with another false word, but it was the second to last, and it was indeed 'doctor'. I remember thinking (or do I???) when I wrote it down 'this had to be in there, it fits' and after 'doctor' I added 'hospital'.

I would be purchasing my own beverages for the night.

shwooddotcom
09-18-2009, 12:35 AM
i can honestly say i didnt get either cause i knew waht to except after sss

yeah, that was a tough setup: trying to get everyone excited about doing the test without letting them know they'd get a false word (just even knowing the point screws it up).

smithers
09-18-2009, 12:45 AM
Okay. Here is my take on this.

I have watched the SSS lecture before and remembered the way the experiment worked.

This time, weirdly enough, I could call out the words people would think of when trying to remember them (the false ones).

Immediately after reading through the first set of words my brain went "DING!" and I noticed that one very common word related to these other words, window, wasn't there.

Same thing with the second set of words. I immediately noticed the common word "doctor" was missing.

Seems like my mind has been uber-trained by watching the SSS lecture and now my brain is actively working to fight this phsycological phenomenon.

rabidbadger
09-18-2009, 02:10 AM
yeah, that was a tough setup: trying to get everyone excited about doing the test without letting them know they'd get a false word (just even knowing the point screws it up).

Actually, even though I'd seen SSS, (obvioulsy, started 9 threads on it, haha) I think just mentioning there was a theme "lead" them to think of what the theme would be, thereby planting that word in their minds. Kinda like the basis of the old tv game password.

guytheninja
09-18-2009, 05:25 AM
Actually, even though I'd seen SSS, (obvioulsy, started 9 threads on it, haha) I think just mentioning there was a theme "lead" them to think of what the theme would be, thereby planting that word in their minds. Kinda like the basis of the old tv game password.

I don't care if humans put down doctor or window in this test. I want to know if Bigfoot while going through magnet therapy would guess doctor and window if presented with these lists of words :D :D.

shwooddotcom
09-18-2009, 06:00 AM
I don't care if humans put down doctor or window in this test. I want to know if Bigfoot while going through magnet therapy would guess doctor and window if presented with these lists of words :D :D.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!

techgadgetsteve
09-18-2009, 01:32 PM
i actualy got 8 words on each test with no false words. but in the first one window poped into my head but i knew it wasnt in the list so i didnt write it down. but i think that 8 words in each is a pretty good score considering i am still half asleep lol

annieg
09-18-2009, 08:05 PM
Just sayin that this game was totally unfair and I was robbed. ROBBED.

trakof
09-19-2009, 05:14 AM
I got 12 on the first and 13 on the second with no false words, guess I win! 8)

jsc315
09-19-2009, 06:26 PM
This was one of my all time favorite episodes of Scam School. I love things that mess with peoples minds like this.

cybornut
09-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Very cool, very damn cool...

Got false memory on both... guess I just have a malleable mind... (hmm...?)


That said, guess if I run common themes around a circle all relating to one specific concept or word, I can make a really high possibility of that word coming up as false memory if the WORD itself is omitted.

Hmm... I would venture to guess that it has something to do with associations... as if it's not obvious enough... each word is associated back to the target word, so each time it pops up it re-enforce that the false (planted) word is actually in the list.

1. Window - Sill, Window - Panel, Window - Screen: These are word associations
2. Window - Breeze, Window - Open, Window - View: These are conceptual/conditional associations

I noticed that I used the word WINDOW as a mnemonic to remember all the other words, so if it was taken off the list, I inevitably feel compelled to write it down.

Obvious flaw is personal experience (personal category associations), with one of the previous comment on this thread talking about relating them all to photographic equipment/terms... this obviously breaks the "WINDOW" association, making it not work as a plant. That is why (as Brian did) implanting the phrase "notice that all these words are related to the house, or around the house" or something along that line... to enforce/point to the WINDOW image is very important.


I wonder if there's a more direct way to create false memory on a "per sentence"-based mechanic? Or ways to inject the false memory in a very quick casual phrasing format?

Or what about linking the effectiveness of concept vs word associations? Because language is not universal, but concept/images sure are. Is one more effective than the other? Which order to use/read/position the words so we can maximize the probability of hitting the mark/create associations?

shwooddotcom
09-20-2009, 05:32 AM
In case you missed it, we put up several alternate lists (and their probability of creating a false-positive) on the show notes:


Table 1. Thirty-six word lists that create false memories.
Table 2. Lists ranked by probability of false recall of critical lure.
Table 3. Lists ranked by probability of false recognition of critical lure.

Table 1. Thirty-six word lists that create false memories.

ANGER mad, fear, hate, rage, temper, fury, ire, wrath, happy, fight, hatred, mean, calm, emotion, enrage
ARMY Navy, soldier, United States, rifle, Air Force, draft, military, Marines, march, infantry, captain, war, uniform, pilot, combat
BLACK white, dark, cat, charred, night, funeral, color, grief, blue, death, ink, bottom, coal, brown, gray
BREAD butter, food, eat, sandwich, rye, jam, milk, flour, jelly, dough, crust, slice, wine, loaf, toast
CAR truck, bus, train, automobile, vehicle, drive, jeep, Ford, race, keys, garage, highway, sedan, van, taxi
CHAIR table, sit, legs, seat, couch, desk, recliner, sofa, wood, cushion, swivel, stool, sitting, rocking, bench
CITY town, crowded, state, capital, streets, subway, country, New York, village, metropolis, big, Chicago, suburb, county, urban
COLD hot, snow, warm, winter, ice, wet, frigid, chilly, heat, weather, freeze, air, shiver, Arctic, frost
CUP mug, saucer, tea, measuring, coaster, lid, handle, coffee, straw, goblet, soup, stein, drink, plastic, sip
DOCTOR nurse, sick, lawyer, medicine, health, hospital, dentist, physician, ill, patient, office, stethoscope, surgeon, clinic, cure
FLAG banner, American, symbol, stars, anthem, stripes, pole, wave, raised, national, checkered, emblem, sign, freedom, pendant
FOOT shoe, hand, toe, kick, sandals, soccer, yard, walk, ankle, arm, boot, inch, sock, knee, mouth
FRUIT apple, vegetable, orange, kiwi, citrus, ripe, pear, banana, berry, cherry, basket, juice, salad, bowl, cocktail
GIRL boy, dolls, female, young, dress, pretty, hair, niece, dance, beautiful, cute, date, aunt, daughter, sister
HIGH low, clouds, up, tall, tower, jump, above, building, noon, cliff, sky, over, airplane, dive, elevate
KING queen, England, crown, prince, George, dictator, palace, throne, chess, rule, subjects, monarch, royal, leader, reign
LION tiger, circus, jungle, tamer, den, cub, Africa, mane, cage, feline, roar, fierce, bears, hunt, pride
MAN woman, husband, uncle, lady, mouse, male, father, strong, friend, beard, person, handsome, muscle, suit, old
MOUNTAIN hill, valley, climb, summit, top, molehill, peak, plain, glacier, goat, bike, climber, range, steep, ski
MUSIC note, sound, piano, sing, radio, band, melody, horn, concert, instrument, symphony, jazz, orchestra, art, rhythm
NEEDLE thread, pin, eye, sewing, sharp, point, prick, thimble, haystack, thorn, hurt, injection, syringe, cloth, knitting
PEN pencil, write, fountain, leak, quill, felt, Bic, scribble, crayon, Cross, tip, marker, red, cap, letter
RIVER water, stream, lake, Mississippi, boat, tide, swim, flow, run, barge, creek, brook, fish, bridge, winding
ROUGH smooth, bumpy, road, tough, sandpaper, jagged, ready, coarse, uneven, riders, rugged, sand, boards, ground, gravel
RUBBER elastic, bounce, gloves, tire, ball, eraser, springy, foam, galoshes, soles, latex, glue, flexible, resilient, stretch
SHIRT blouse, sleeves, pants, tie, button, shorts, iron, polo, collar, vest, pocket, jersey, belt, linen, cuffs
SLEEP bed, rest, awake, tired, dream, wake, snooze, blanket, doze, slumber, snore, nap, peace, yawn, drowsy
SLOW fast, lethargic, stop, listless, snail, cautious, delay, traffic, turtle, hesitant, speed, quick, sluggish, wait, molasses
SMELL nose, breathe, sniff, aroma, hear, see, nostril, whiff, scent, reek, stench, fragrance, perfume, salts, rose
SMOKE cigarette, puff, blaze, billows, pollution, ashes, cigar, chimney, fire, tobacco, stink, pipe, lungs, flames, stain
SOFT hard, light, pillow, plush, loud, cotton, fur, touch, fluffy, feather, furry, downy, kitten, skin, tender
SPIDER web, insect, bug, fright, fly, arachnid, crawl, tarantula, poison, bite, creepy, animal, ugly, feelers, small
SWEET sour, candy, sugar, bitter, good, taste, tooth, nice, honey, soda, chocolate, heart, cake, tart, pie
THIEF steal, robber, crook, burglar, money, cop, bad, rob, jail, gun, villain, crime, bank, bandit, criminal
TRASH garbage, waste, can, refuse, sewage, bag, junk, rubbish, sweep, scraps, pile, dump, landfill, debris, litter
WINDOW door, glass, pane, shade, ledge, sill, house, open, curtain, frame, view, breeze, sash, screen, shutter

Table 2. Lists ranked by probability of false recall of critical lure.

WINDOW 65
SLEEP 61
SMELL 60
DOCTOR 60
SWEET 54
CHAIR 54
SMOKE 54
ROUGH 53
NEEDLE 52
ANGER 49
TRASH 49
SOFT 46
CITY 46
CUP 45
COLD 44
MOUNTAIN 42
SLOW 42
RIVER 42
SPIDER 37
FOOT 35
PEN 35
CAR 35
MUSIC 34
BLACK 34
RUBBER 32
GIRL 32
BREAD 31
FLAG 31
SHIRT 27
HIGH 26
ARMY 25
MAN 24
THIEF 23
LION 23
FRUIT 20
KING 10

Table 3. Lists ranked by probability of false recognition of critical lure.

WINDOW 84
SMELL 84
COLD 84
ROUGH 83
CUP 82
SOFT 81
SLEEP 80
ANGER 79
SWEET 78
TRASH 78
CHAIR 74
SMOKE 73
HIGH 72
DOCTOR 71
THIEF 70
MOUNTAIN 69
SLOW 69
MUSIC 69
NEEDLE 68
RIVER 67
RUBBER 67
CITY 64
BREAD 64
FOOT 62
MAN 61
FLAG 60
SPIDER 58
GIRL 58
PEN 57
SHIRT 54
ARMY 53
BLACK 49
FRUIT 45
CAR 42
LION 33
KING 27

Table 1. Thirty-six word lists that create false memories.
Table 2. Lists ranked by probability of false recall of critical lure.
Table 3. Lists ranked by probability of false recognition of critical lure.

igotoxtremes
09-21-2009, 07:21 PM
OK, Brian you're my freakin hero---but was it really hot in the room, or did you just forget the antiperspirant :P

cybornut
09-22-2009, 04:11 AM
Hey Brian, what's the difference between false recall and false recognition?

Is it ---
False recall: "I was sure that word was in there when I try to remember"
False recognition: "I literally saw that word in there even when the list was up"

A little confused...

viruzzz
09-25-2009, 01:20 PM
I didn't really remember many words, I just took the theme and started finding words associated with it, then attempted to remember if it was part of the list or not.

I find it amazing with that approach that I managed to get no false ones.

I got 7 & 8 correct ones.

Fun and interesting test though.

froink
09-28-2009, 05:23 PM
Holy crap, I swear I didn't cheat but I managed to get 13 on the first list and 10 on the second with no false words.
Apparently my brain works best at noon on Mondays... :S

sep332
10-21-2009, 04:41 AM
I gotta say, the post on this episode was really good. I was surprised to realize that the screen was in a separate layer (see attachment). Well, nobody's perfect!

jzion27
11-27-2009, 11:29 PM
Hey Brian where might one acquire the background for the memory test?

upstateny
12-22-2009, 05:41 PM
I feel like it was unfair to eliminate people for having false words since you never said it was illegal at the beginning.

I initially wrote down eight correct words on the first list and then wrote down "window", "floor", and "ceiling" figuring I had nothing to lose by guessing random words I didn't remember seeing. Only got six on the second list.

On an unrelated note, anyone else write down words multiple times? I did that with "open", "curtain", and "sick" without even noticing.

edit:
btw, love the show. Currently in the process of catching up on all the episodes

daigo1
01-16-2010, 01:29 AM
How do you memorize all of the words within the given allotted time that the words were shown without making any errors? (Besides having a photographic memory or some heightened innate ability.)