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[darecrow]

Is anyone else disappointed about this?

Host
A little too G4ish? spastic bopping, nonsensical cursing

Intro
stolen directly from diggnation

Segments
'indie' game reviews or general game reviews, which is covered fully in CO-OP with well scripted skits, down to earth cast with real opinions and very good editing. Also they vehemently push indie games every week or so, which is what initially got me into them; making this show moot?

After 10 minutes of a small review, and listening to realmedia audio clips telling me how awesome voldo is I felt like I didn't take away any enjoyment or information.

opinions? I feel rev3 has so much more casting talent and creativity then to drop a 10 minute mishmash of what we already view weekly.

[guytheninja]

Host
A little too G4ish? spastic bopping, nonsensical cursing


I didn't dislike G4. I disliked G4 buying TechTV and then killing off all the tech shows. However, this show host seems likable and entertaining, as far as I'm concerned.


Intro
stolen directly from diggnation


The Diggnation intro and this show's intro aren't anything alike.


Segments
'indie' game reviews or general game reviews, which is covered fully in CO-OP with well scripted skits, down to earth cast with real opinions and very good editing. Also they vehemently push indie games every week or so, which is what initially got me into them; making this show moot?


I'm glad there is another gaming show on Rev3 other than Co-op. Co-op has too many hosts, and the chemistry between the hosts doesn't work for me. Its nothing personal, but I don't like Co-op.

[tokenuser]

... and what about that TRS show?

Talk about G4 ... didn't that Alex guy once do a show on there?
After 131 episodes they *still* can't figure out a theme.
AND they review games as well?? Whats up with that. Isn't that what that Coop show is supposed to be about.
I heard that iFanboy talks about games as well.

Can't anyone do <complain> about something original these days?

</sarcasm>

What? Damn. Malformed sarcasm. My tags are mismatched.

[masterq]

... and what about that TRS show?

Talk about G4 ... didn't that Alex guy once do a show on there?
After 131 episodes they *still* can't figure out a theme.
AND they review games as well?? Whats up with that. Isn't that what that Coop show is supposed to be about.
I heard that iFanboy talks about games as well.

Can't anyone do <complain> about something original these days?

</sarcasm>

What? Damn. Malformed sarcasm. My tags are mismatched.

I'm so confused after reading that post... you make legit arguments (besides for alex being on G4) and then use a sarcasm tag? I must be too sleep deprived to get it.

I actually do feel that Rev3 has too many shows that are the same. I understand that this show focuses on indie and downloadable games which makes the difference between this show and coop, ifanboy, and TRS, but is that really enough to make a separate show? Its the same with HD Nation and App Judgement... they could and probably should be segments of Tekzilla, but that would leave less places to shove ads in our face :D

I did enjoy the show. Liked the host and liked the format. I'm not the biggest gamer in the world so I don't usually watch TRS or coop simply because they are a little too long for something that I may not be interested in. This show is a good length for me so I'll probably continue watching.

[toadsanime]

First of all, the swearing isn't 'non sensical' per se as Time F*ck is the name of the game that was being spoken of.

As for the 'audio clips', a question gets asked every episode (this is the 55th episode overall) and viewers give an audio or video response to said question, so the stuff about Voldo was a viewer response. It's for audience involvement and has been in the show since its start and has always been well-received by frequent watchers.

This is the only show on Rev3, and pretty much most of the internet, that reviews independent games, so saying it's alike that of what you've already seen isn't entirely true.

[eminemdrdre00]

Is anyone else disappointed about this?

Host
A little too G4ish? spastic bopping, nonsensical cursing


He was an Attack of the Show host on G4 for a week years back when they had a "New co-host search" once Kevin Rose left. They never announced a winner, but Anthony Carboni was my favorite contestant!

[taters]

audio clips telling me how awesome voldo is


:3

On a slightly more serious note, 3D spinning text is hardly unique to any media. That and you have to remember that Bytejacker *has* its own audience, and by pulling that audience in, Revision3 not only benefits monetarily (more people viewing ads), but also gets to expose its other shows to a new crowd.


It's not all about you, you know.

[masterq]

It's not all about you, you know.

IT'S NOT?!?! ::gasp::

[darecrow]

I thought me viewing TRS was implied by saying i watch diggnation, alex plugs his own shows all the time.

I know this isn't all about me obviously, there is no need for personal attacks here. I'm just opening discussion for a better rev3. I watch almost all of the shows weekly, big fan.

[amon91]

Honestly I love this show, no matter if it's "G4ish" or not. In fact I don't even think it is. I'm not that much of a gamer, so I won't watch CO-OP because it's just too long, but this show has an awesome and fast format plus it reviews free and cheap games, something people like me love.

Of course no show will make everyone happy but this one is pretty good for me.

[toadsanime]

That and you have to remember that Bytejacker *has* its own audience, and by pulling that audience in, Revision3 not only benefits monetarily (more people viewing ads), but also gets to expose its other shows to a new crowd.
This.
I had not even heard of Revision3 until Bytejacker made this transition recently and went and checked out some of the other shows yesterday.

[ghelyar]

Is anyone else disappointed about this?
A bit but I will give it a few more rev3 episodes and if I still don't like it, stop watching. Easy.

Personally I don't like CO-OP that much either, for reasons I have gone into before. I probably like Bytejacker more but not by much.

As for all of the shows being the same, I can easily see this as a 4th or 5th rev3 show to review splosionman. I haven't checked if it has in the previous few episodes but I assume so.

Intro stolen directly from diggnation
This show had an intro? Really? I must have missed it.

Unless of course you are talking about the blue shell thing, which is something pretty much every revision 3 show does.

I watched a few previous Epiodes and did notice that the TRS music is used in the background at some point.

After 10 minutes of a small review, and listening to realmedia audio clips telling me how awesome voldo is I felt like I didn't take away any enjoyment or information.It may seem harsh but they just need to take in their wide new audience and ditch the user contributions that suck. About 50% of the user reviews are OK but the other aren't even trying to be serious.

For example, annoying little 1337 10 year old pika pika kid who doesn't understand the difference between "what's your favourite character?" and "what don't you like other people doing?" shouldn't have made it into the episode. I'm sure there were better user reviews submitted. It seems harsh because he's a little kid but there you go. Now with a huge influx of revision 3 viewers, there should hopefully be a much richer pool of submissions to cherry pick from.



There is mutual gain from bringing the Revision3 and Bytejacker audiences together but all in all Revision 3's audience is probably much larger.

[toadsanime]

1) As for all of the shows being the same, I can easily see this as a 4th or 5th rev3 show to review splosionman. I haven't checked if it has in the previous few episodes but I assume so.

2) It may seem harsh but they just need to take in their wide new audience and ditch the user contributions that suck. About 50% of the user reviews are OK but the other aren't even trying to be serious.

1) Yup, it was reviewed on Bytejacker a while back now, but seeing as that it's a show about independent and downloadable games it's at least appropriate.

2) No. If Bytejacker takes away their viewer responses, thus ridding of the audience involvement, I can't say I'll be happy and then I'll personally consider this transitition a very bad thing rather than a good thing.

[ghelyar]

2) No. If Bytejacker takes away their viewer responses, thus ridding of the audience involvement, I can't say I'll be happy and then I'll personally consider this transitition a very bad thing rather than a good thing.

I didn't say take them away. I said only use the good ones. The example I gave, the viewer wasn't even answering the question. He may as well have been talking about pizza.

The audio/video quality of submissions probably needs to be improved to fit in better with the show as well though. I don't know exactly how they are being submitted (you can probably shed some light on this since you submit them) but a few seconds of audio recorded well by users takes almost no storage space. There doesn't seem to be any particular advantage to being able to submit on a mobile phone or whatever is currently being used by some of them but the quality of audio on mobile phones is atrocious.

[acarboni]

Hey, guys - thanks for all your feedback, positive and negative.

I wanted to dive into the Feedback stuff a little, because it's very quickly become my favorite part of the show. I really love talking games with people and hearing their opinions - everyone's taste is different. For instance, this week's question about favorite fighting game characters: you never would've heard me name a Smash Bros character, and I frigging HATE Voldo, but it's fun for me to hear why other people love who they love. I'm not going to harsh on someone or leave them out for having a lackluster webcam, either - not everyone's going to have pro grade stuff, and that's not really the point of the segment anyway.

Keep in mind that the show segment is only part of the story - if you hate Voldo, respond to the guy! Leave your own comment on the site in reply to him. That's what the Feedback segment is all about - hanging out and talking games. I'm hoping to see more of the discussion spread over here to the forums, too.

And remember, you have just as much control over the quality of video comments as I do - if you think people are missing the mark, we've made it super easy for you to leave your own videos over on bytejacker.com. We love to hear from as many people as possible.

Thanks again for all your comments and feedback about us - we work hard to put out the best show possible, and we always like to hear how we're doing.

[toadsanime]

The audio/video quality of submissions probably needs to be improved to fit in better with the show as well though. I don't know exactly how they are being submitted (you can probably shed some light on this since you submit them) but a few seconds of audio recorded well by users takes almost no storage space. There doesn't seem to be any particular advantage to being able to submit on a mobile phone or whatever is currently being used by some of them but the quality of audio on mobile phones is atrocious.
Typically responses are done via webcams and microphones and can be recorded on site (you get the choice of doing a text comment or recording a video/audio comment), though I think there's also the possibility of phoning in and leaving a voice mail.
I'll admit that the quality of the audio and video footage of some responses can be bad - my video responses are currently of bad quality, for example, because my webcam is of poor quality.

I didn't say take them away. I said only use the good ones. The example I gave, the viewer wasn't even answering the question. He may as well have been talking about pizza.
Oh, right, gotcha'. The question was about your favourite character and that particular response just said why they didn't like a certain character. Maybe I didn't mind this too much as I play the game and understood what he was referring to.
I didn't think the response was too bad, though I see your point. Off-topic responses aren't usually shown and I usually think most of the feedback is fine.

EDIT: Just read Anthony's comment and it's comforting to see the Feedback section isn't going to be changed or anything as I also love this section.
Again, apologies for my poor webcam quality, I should be getting a new one soon.

[ghelyar]

apologies for my poor webcam quality, I should be getting a new one soon.

Is the webcam itself really that bad or is it just the software that comes with it or the encoding settings you are using or something? I find that even incredibly old webcams can still record pretty watchable video (albeit at 320x240 or 640x480 if you are lucky) but that the programs used with them store them in crappy old codecs at very low bitrates.

Try recording in as high quality as possible using a good codec at a high bitrate. It might take a lot of space but you can then encode it down with a codec such as H.264 (x264 is a free implementation by videolan) which will make the video quite small and still quite high quality. H.264 in particular vastly outperforms older codecs like indeo, mpeg2, divx and xvid (and even VC-1).

The only time I have actually had a webcam that looked bad was when my brother and I were playing around with laser pens. It looked like a fireball coming out of our hands, which was cool, but it looked like that because it was actually irreparably burning the sensor.

Another common problem is that some phones will only record to the 3gp codec, which is terrible.

[toadsanime]

Is the webcam itself really that bad or is it just the software that comes with it or the encoding settings you are using or something? I find that even incredibly old webcams can still record pretty watchable video (albeit at 320x240 or 640x480 if you are lucky) but that the programs used with them store them in crappy old codecs at very low bitrates.

Try recording in as high quality as possible using a good codec at a high bitrate. It might take a lot of space but you can then encode it down with a codec such as H.264 (x264 is a free implementation by videolan) which will make the video quite small and still quite high quality. H.264 in particular vastly outperforms older codecs like indeo, mpeg2, divx and xvid (and even VC-1).
Thanks for the advice, though on Bytejacker it's a direct upload. No matter how or what I record on, my webcam is generally bad. When recording on Movie Maker, even recording it in high quality doesn't help out much. I generally do just think the webcam is as good as dead now, though it has been constantly used for many years now.

[cyborger]

Is anyone else disappointed about this?

Host
A little too G4ish? spastic bopping, nonsensical cursing

You mean the "television for gamers" G4 or the "all the stuff you care about" G4? Because he kinda reminds me of the tv for gamers version.

[taters]

and I frigging HATE Voldo

You broke my heart, man.

[cyborger]

You broke my heart, man.

Not to gang up on you or anything but Voldo becomes stale after awhile. When I first saw him in SC2 he was funny and interesting but after awhile he just became another character. But you know who never goes out of style? Sub-Zero. Talk about being an innovative fighting game character.

[jrivera]

I watched a few previous Epiodes and did notice that the TRS music is used in the background at some point.

Thanks for bringing this up!

Before we made the switch to Revision3 I really wanted to be aware of what show resources everyone was using on their shows so as to not use something that was already known. If you watch a lot of webTV you'll notice that after a while many things start to sound similar. The reason for that is we all use GarageBand to score our own music. Our theme for Free Indie Rapid Fire was made over a year ago and upon watching the totally rad show have noticed that a main loop that we use in our theme was used in their opening. I've removed that part from our Free Indie Rapid fire segment for now until I can re-score something that doesn't sound as similar in respect to TRS. Music is always a tricky beast when making webTV and we wanna be a respectful to anyone who's already made a name for themselves by using particular themes.

We've recently begun using a lot of indie chip tunes music in our show not only because it's amazing but also to help give some exposure to some great artists.

We've gotten most of our music from ll Music and Pterodactyl Squad so be sure and check them both out!

However, if you get inspired and have any submissions for themes or music you'd like us to feature on the show then please send it to jon@bytejacker.com and I'd love to include it into the show.

My favorite so far is our closing theme from "MissingSayoko" and of course our main theme "Mega Love Gun" by IKILLPXLS