Stargate: Universe

[lavahot]

So the two-hour premiere aired last night, What did everybody think? I think the biggest surprise was Shooter Magavin as the slightly intimidating Californian Senator. I thought it was extremely well done and was paced very well. I really felt that fear and desperation that comes with being stranded billions of light years away from home as I watched from my very comfy couch while while eating a delicious sandwich. The only time I felt the show become a pilot by blatantly setting up stuff for the series was at the very end so most of it is some very deep and driven drama.

My only beef with this is the whole, "we got a gamer on the show! aren't we cool?" thing. I understand that he's supposed to be the audience analogue, but it seems a little on-the-nose.

Wasn't Lou Diamond Phillips supposed to be on this show? I clearly remember him in the trailers but I just don't remember him being in the pilot at all.

[masherscf]

So the two-hour premiere aired last night, What did everybody think? I think the biggest surprise was Shooter Magavin as the slightly intimidating Californian Senator. I thought it was extremely well done and was paced very well. I really felt that fear and desperation that comes with being stranded billions of light years away from home as I watched from my very comfy couch while while eating a delicious sandwich. The only time I felt the show become a pilot by blatantly setting up stuff for the series was at the very end so most of it is some very deep and driven drama.

My only beef with this is the whole, "we got a gamer on the show! aren't we cool?" thing. I understand that he's supposed to be the audience analogue, but it seems a little on-the-nose.

Wasn't Lou Diamond Phillips supposed to be on this show? I clearly remember him in the trailers but I just don't remember him being in the pilot at all.

You should really watch a little more closely. LDP was a fighter pilot. His disposition is unknown but he'll obviously be returning somehow...he was in the next scenes.

The Eli character is actually very interesting. You may identify with him because he is a gamer. He's actually a Mathematician. It's funny though becuase he's an underachiever. Almost no major Stargate characters started as underachievers. I don't think he was meant to represent a typical geek viewer. The character archetype is more akin to Matt Damon from "Good Will Hunting" sans the sociopathic tendencies.

My only beef with the show is that, while it is an original direction for Stargate...the show's style is completely derivative of both BSG and "Lost." I also find the set-up completely contrived. Although, that might just be Doctor Rush's explanation that was contrived.

Still, I enjoyed it. I'll give it a dozen episodes.

[lavahot]

You should really watch a little more closely. LDP was a fighter pilot. His disposition is unknown but he'll obviously be returning somehow...he was in the next scenes.

I was being facetious, but I found that his absence in most of the show to be contrary to the advertising.

The Eli character is actually very interesting. You may identify with him because he is a gamer. He's actually a Mathematician. It's funny though becuase he's an underachiever. Almost no major Stargate characters started as underachievers. I don't think he was meant to represent a typical geek viewer. The character archetype is more akin to Matt Damon from "Good Will Hunting" sans the sociopathic tendencies.


I identify with him because I'm an underachieving overweight gaming Comp Sci student who is also a Stargate fan. Way on-the-nose, my friend.


My only beef with the show is that, while it is an original direction for Stargate...the show's style is completely derivative of both BSG and "Lost." I also find the set-up completely contrived. Although, that might just be Doctor Rush's explanation that was contrived.


I only found the last few minutes contrived. Now given that I LOVE LOST and love/hate BSG, this seems to be right up my alley.


Still, I enjoyed it. I'll give it a dozen episodes.

;)

[tokenuser]

Just watched the first episode of Battlestar Voyager.

Has some promise for a Friday night :)

[blacksymbiote]

I liked it quite a bit, but I saw the whole "we put code in a videogame to find talented people" plot was just ripped out of The Last Starfighter. Other than that I thought it felt very much like a StarGate series. After all, Atlantis started off pretty much the same way.

[geekdw]

My wife and I just watched it online since we missed it last night. I think I'll enjoy it! I finally have a show for friday nights again woohoo

[ryudo]

Just watched the first episode of Battlestar Voyager.

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Exactly.
Also where is LDP?! I really wanted to see him in this as I think he is the one who can carry the show,if he is no longer part of it I am not sure yet if any of the pilot characters can carry the show as none of them stood out to me.

[masherscf]

Exactly.
Also where is LDP?! I really wanted to see him in this as I think he is the one who can carry the show,if he is no longer part of it I am not sure yet if any of the pilot characters can carry the show as none of them stood out to me.

He appears for grand total of about 45 seconds and has two-lines. His role is apparently not full-time.

[tokenuser]

At least he got to sit in the officers mess and get a meal.

[lavahot]

He appears for grand total of about 45 seconds and has two-lines. His role is apparently not full-time.

IMDB says he's in 7 episodes, but he clearly didn't go through the gate to the ship so I don't know what his role is going to be.

[blacksymbiote]

I'm clearly missing something. Why does everyone care so much about this guy that was in it for such a short time? He's obviously done other work to make everyone excited that he was supposed to be in SGU. Please enlighten me.

[lavahot]

I'm clearly missing something. Why does everyone care so much about this guy that was in it for such a short time? He's obviously done other work to make everyone excited that he was supposed to be in SGU. Please enlighten me.

LDP is kinda like RDA. He's a somewhat famous actor from a few things.

[masherscf]

LDP is kinda like RDA. He's a somewhat famous actor from a few things.

The SOP for TV would be that LDP would do for SGU what EJO did for BSG like RDA did for SG1...IMO.

[tokenuser]

LDP is kinda like RDA. He's a somewhat famous actor from a few things.Provided he doesn't get on the airplane or need to travel down Route 666 he'll be fine.

[halgy]

Holy good god, SG:U came out? I had no idea!

To the BitTorrents!

EDIT: Wait a second, to the HULU! Free, legal on-demand FTW

[quantumtheory]

I really liked the show. But I, like everyone else, expected LDP to be in the show more since his face was plastered all over the previews.

I don't see why some people were hating on Eli. So his backstory is kinda dumb, but he's a good character, and the actor does a good job. Also the Lieutenant kept reminding me of Col. Shepard randomly. Just some inflections on his voice almost made them sound the same.

Can't wait for more episodes.

[wideawakewesley]

My wife and I watched it and were pretty bored by the end of the double episode. Our only previous experience with SG was Atlantis season 1 and we stopped watching that at the start of season 2 because it was full of horribly unbelievable and unlikeable characters and boring stories.

I had hoped SG:U would be a more serious take on Stargate, but then they did that whole videogame bullshit and I was put off immediately. Thankfully, the rest of the characters so far are at least believable, but I just get the impression they're trying to go for a half-way house between SG and BSG and it's not going to satisfy fans of either. It's summed up by the two main characters, Rush and Eli. Rush = BSG, Eli = SG.

I'm not convinced by the writers either, as the show lacked any kind of excitement in the action sequences or any drama in the tense sequences. It's going to have to get much better than this in the next few episodes to keep me watching because I don't see any promise here so far.

Out of interest, is everyone who liked it an SG fan? Did you also like BSG?

[masherscf]

Out of interest, is everyone who liked it an SG fan? Did you also like BSG?

I did like it...conditionally. I'm both a BG fan and BSG fan...and Lost.

The opener was weak. But, a series opener is usually one of the weakest episodes. The monumental and universally praised "Star trek the next Generation" opened with "Encounter at Farpoint" which is least memorable when compared to the later high points of that series. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" was downright stupid at first.

Very few TV series hit their strides right out of the gate. I think "Heroes", "Lost" and "Firefly" are important examples of series that did hit it right off. Of course, "Firefly" was canceled before it's time but the others suffered from later mediocrity.

I don't condone watching shit, but I'm not going to pass judgment on the basis of this opener.

[satori]

Yeah I hate the first season of SG, and it still turned out to have some good ideas in it.

[lavahot]

Re: Rush haters.
You might want to go back and watch his conversations with the other characters. His character is probably the most developed and the most real. He's about what he says just as much as he is how he says it and why.

Wes:
The show's about people... in space. No, wait: IIIIINNN SPAAAAAAAACE. It's entirely ridiculous. What kind of aliens speak English? Seriously.

[quantumtheory]

I don't get why people are comparing this to BSG. What aspects did they take from that? To me it's Stargate: Voyager. Until intelligent robots start hunting them, I don't see the connection.

[blacksymbiote]

Out of interest, is everyone who liked it an SG fan? Did you also like BSG?

I am a BSG fan, and I would like to consider myself a StarGate fan, even though I haven't seen all of it. Although I did see the original movie in the theater and loved it entirely!

I started watching the StarGate TV shows with Atlantis. I had seen some of SG1 but never regularly. My main reason for not watching SG1 was that by the time it really started going, I had no idea what was going on with their years and years of integrated alien politics, and thus was turned off. After I got into Atlantis, a friend convinced me to start watching SG1 by telling me that the later seasons pretty much started fresh with a new enemy. I'm not sure which season that was, but maybe around season 9? So I've only seen the last few seasons, but they were very good in my eyes.

I don't get why people are comparing this to BSG. What aspects did they take from that? To me it's Stargate: Voyager. Until intelligent robots start hunting them, I don't see the connection.

The BSG connection comes from the shaky cam and the darker, more gritty feel the show was pitched with. It's the feel of the show, not so much the scenario. You can tell they totally want to grab the BSG fans when they suddenly throw in half naked sex scenes into a SG show.

[masherscf]

I don't get why people are comparing this to BSG. What aspects did they take from that? To me it's Stargate: Voyager. Until intelligent robots start hunting them, I don't see the connection.

I think they were actually shooting for "Lost".

[thecakeisalie]

I have mixed feelings about SG:U. I kind of feel like it is pulling elements from other popular series and throwing them all together. I might just be imagining things, but I felt like the first episode was almost LOSTish. We have a similar plot, a bunch of random people with different backgrounds are stranded on a ship (island) with no way home. We see a lot of confusion and injury and what not right off the bat and then are slowly filled in on the back story with flashbacks.

I also got the feeling they were trying to make the Stargate franchise sexier and darker. At least that's what I got from the previews. Almost in a BSG sort of way.

I was a huge fan of SG 1 and I enjoyed the first season of SG Atlantis, so I'll give SG: U some time to grow on me. I'm crossing my fingers that the show improves, one thing I can't stand in shows are people acting unrealistically stupid. I'm not going to spoil any plot points here, but if you needed certain parts to repair stuff, wouldn't you look through the supplies on the ship??

[darknessgp]

I have mixed feelings about SG:U. I kind of feel like it is pulling elements from other popular series and throwing them all together. I might just be imagining things, but I felt like the first episode was almost LOSTish. We have a similar plot, a bunch of random people with different backgrounds are stranded on a ship (island) with no way home. We see a lot of confusion and injury and what not right off the bat and then are slowly filled in on the back story with flashbacks.

I also got the feeling they were trying to make the Stargate franchise sexier and darker. At least that's what I got from the previews. Almost in a BSG sort of way.

I was a huge fan of SG 1 and I enjoyed the first season of SG Atlantis, so I'll give SG: U some time to grow on me. I'm crossing my fingers that the show improves, one thing I can't stand in shows are people acting unrealistically stupid. I'm not going to spoil any plot points here, but if you needed certain parts to repair stuff, wouldn't you look through the supplies on the ship??

I won't say what I think they were/are trying to do... just pose one question to you, if any new show has meaningful flashbacks does that mean they are stealing from LOST? I agree, it's similar, but flashbacks are also a good way to reveal information.

[thecakeisalie]

I didn't mean to imply that they were stealing the flashback concept from LOST, rather they were employing a similar story telling technique. I personally like flashbacks, but I also hope that they will also keep focus on the exploration of not just the ship and its purpose but of the the worlds they encounter.

I was just trying to point out that it felt more like LOST or BSG to me than Stargate, at least in terms of how the story is unfolding. I really hope this turns out to be an awesome series since I've been missing me some good Stargate.

[tokenuser]

...but I also hope that they will also keep focus on the exploration of not just the ship and its purpose but of the the worlds they encounter.Did you watch the "scenes from our next episode"? Exploration of other worlds is going to be a big part of the series I think.

Exploration is one aspect that makes me compare to Voyager. The other is that they are thrust billions of years from home, and need to find a way back. Provided they dont find a holodeck as a story crutch, we should be OK.

[darknessgp]

I didn't mean to imply that they were stealing the flashback concept from LOST, rather they were employing a similar story telling technique. I personally like flashbacks, but I also hope that they will also keep focus on the exploration of not just the ship and its purpose but of the the worlds they encounter.

I was just trying to point out that it felt more like LOST or BSG to me than Stargate, at least in terms of how the story is unfolding. I really hope this turns out to be an awesome series since I've been missing me some good Stargate.

true. though halfway through the episode they didn't do any more of the flash backs, doesn't seem like it'll be a staple of the show like it is on LOST.

tokenuser, exploration, like the other Stargate shows, you mean? I agree Voyager was a lot about exploration, but I think it takes more of the exploration out of what the other Stargate shows have done... which if it follows the same path they did, it'll be HEAVY exploration for the first season or two and then on to every other episode not being tied into the main story, and still a lot about exploration.

[tokenuser]

true. though halfway through the episode they didn't do any more of the flash backs, doesn't seem like it'll be a staple of the show like it is on LOST.

tokenuser, exploration, like the other Stargate shows, you mean? I agree Voyager was a lot about exploration, but I think it takes more of the exploration out of what the other Stargate shows have done... which if it follows the same path they did, it'll be HEAVY exploration for the first season or two and then on to every other episode not being tied into the main story, and still a lot about exploration.The part you missed was the exploration AND being a bajjillion lightyears from home. That means that exploration is about survival and resources. In SG1 they went out exploring ... and came back to a comfy bed at home at the end of each episode. Even in SGA it wan't so much about exploring for survival.

[darknessgp]

The part you missed was the exploration AND being a bajjillion lightyears from home. That means that exploration is about survival and resources. In SG1 they went out exploring ... and came back to a comfy bed at home at the end of each episode. Even in SGA it wan't so much about exploring for survival.

true. it SEEMS like it'll be more about resources. I question that, seeing as Atlantis quickly became less about exploring the city and finding Ancient tech and more about the war with the Wraith. I suspect we'll get some big baddy introduced and it'll turn more into a Stargate show.

Brain dump, I like the premise, the first half of the episode IMO was a bit shaky, but the second half felt good. A bit sad they killed off the one real political person. Not sure if I like Rush or not, he seems like he's supposed to be a mix between Carter and Jackson, but then we have Eli, who seems like his character is getting pushed into the Carter/Jackson/McKay "save our ass" role... which being a kid and not knowing what is going on, seems hard. I like the idea, but I also dislike the fact that all other characters seem to just expect him to have all this information just because he solved a puzzle (I like that he even mentions it in the show) He seems like he'll be a fun and interesting character. The daughter, not sure if I like her or not. She seemed interesting, but with the death of her dad it feels like there will be a bunch of emotional crap that the audience just doesn't care about... I love the idea that the 9th chevron is solely part of a code that only opens to the gate on the ship. Seems like the best way to make it not open a gigantic problem that the 8th did, i.e. "why don't they just explore all the galaxies", though that is "fixed" with the not enough power problem.

Overall, the show has potential to be really good, I'll definitely keep watching.

[masherscf]

I think the clear difference between SGU and SG1/SGA is the lack of an enemy focus. SGA and SG1 was about survival, but survival against an overwhelming and advanced alien enemy...not so much about finding air. Survival against enemies as also a main theme in Voyager.

Ironically, most of the best early SG1 episodes did not involve recurring enemies at all.

[darknessgp]

I think the clear difference between SGU and SG1/SGA is the lack of an enemy focus. SGA and SG1 was about survival, but survival against an overwhelming and advanced alien enemy...not so much about finding air. Survival against enemies as also a main theme in Voyager.

Ironically, most of the best early SG1 episodes did not involve recurring enemies at all.

well, given we've only seen 2 episodes... it's hard to say exactly what the show is about. For all we know, next week they will introduce some big enemy.

[masherscf]

well, given we've only seen 2 episodes... it's hard to say exactly what the show is about. For all we know, next week they will introduce some big enemy.


You're right. But, both SG1 and SGA introduced the main enemy in the opener.

[quantumtheory]

I really enjoyed tonight's episode. I like the way they are working in the communication stones and telling us more about some of the characters background. Which is where I see people make the connection with Lost. flashbacks etc.

I'm wondering where they are gonna go with the senators wife. If she actually tells all or if they keep her quiet.

[masherscf]

I really enjoyed tonight's episode. I like the way they are working in the communication stones and telling us more about some of the characters background. Which is where I see people make the connection with Lost. flashbacks etc.

I'm wondering where they are gonna go with the senators wife. If she actually tells all or if they keep her quiet.

I loved it when they shot that guy. I thought, "Shit yeah, this show is going to some dark places" Jack always threatened to shoot Daniel, but he never actually did it. It's nice to see that Sci-Fi TV is getting some stones.

And, the LDP question is answered pretty handily... ancient communication stones.

[tokenuser]

Its a keeper.

{SPOILER}
What detached from the ship in the last couple of seconds of the show??
{/SPOLIER}

[darknessgp]

Possible Spoilers below.



Ok, I'm a bit disappointed so far in how some of the characters act in general. The criminal soldier seems a bit too harsh, but then has a quick scene where he's more of a hero, like shooting the guy to stop him from taking the remote, yet right before it he was threatening Rush with a gun for no giving the guy some water. I extremely dislike him.

I also don't understand some of the logic of characters. They don't trust Rush, so that means that they should bypass the lock out that the ship imposed? huh? that doesn't make any sense at all. The worst offenders where LDP and the group that was with Eli... I really see the stones being used more of a "leader reports back while someone from SGC tries to screw things up on the ship" as that's the only thing LDP was doing, and more frustrating that they clearly don't care about the people there, given the chick's reaction to the medic putting LDP out... I honestly hope the stones get lost somewhere, as I fear it's just going to be used for interference story lines like in Atlantis when Woolsey would pay a visit and make terrible choices when he, of course, took command over because the current leader "didn't know what they were doing"






Its a keeper.

{SPOILER}
What detached from the ship in the last couple of seconds of the show??
{/SPOLIER}

I'm really hoping it had something to do with the fact that 2 people went through the gate to one of the worlds that the ship locked out.

[blacksymbiote]

I loved this episode. The characters seemed to work better in my eyes. We learned a lot about the soldier with his church flashback, and I actually really liked the "criminal" soldier in this episode when I really didn't like him in the last. He won't take shit from people, but he won't give up on those he really cares about. He'll literally do anything, from shooting an innocent person to running off into the desert alone for his friend. Also, anyone else notice that even though it was Rush who gave him the order to shoot the scientist, once he got back to the ship he only accused him of the act to the others. No mention of "I gave the order to save his life". I think we'll see something come from that in the next episode. I liked Eli last episode, and I liked him even more in this one. I loved this line: "I have a gun." haha. Can't wait for more! :D

[masherscf]

*** SPOILERS***


Its a keeper.

{SPOILER}
What detached from the ship in the last couple of seconds of the show??
{/SPOLIER}

It looked like one of those shuttles.

[lavahot]

*** SPOILERS***




It looked like one of those shuttles.

It's clearly a probe of some kind, the shuttles are too big and shuttle-shaped to be that.

[blacksymbiote]

It's clearly a probe of some kind, the shuttles are too big and shuttle-shaped to be that.

*SPOILERS*

I agree in that I don't think it was the same as the shuttle that Shooter died in. I certainly like the idea that it was something sent because they went to one of the other locked out worlds. It was interesting that it seemed to have no problems existing in the FTL speeds when almost all other travel in these shows involve hyperspace and not actual FTL travel.

[lavahot]

*SPOILERS*

I agree in that I don't think it was the same as the shuttle that Shooter died in. I certainly like the idea that it was something sent because they went to one of the other locked out worlds. It was interesting that it seemed to have no problems existing in the FTL speeds when almost all other travel in these shows involve hyperspace and not actual FTL travel.

SHOOOOOOOTEEEEEERRRR!!! NOOOO!!!!! WHY?!?!?!?

I think we're seeing an interesting mix of technologies here. FTL that appears to occur in actual spacetime, not hyperspace (which is entirely "impossible," but who knows). Stargates without DHDs, or with the DHD guts embedded in the gates themselves and controlled by the little green PSPs. An ancient ship with seemingly superior technologies, but little or no ability to self-maintain.

I'm thinking that it might be a few things: a probe to signal some other species, possibly Ancients, their decendants, or their cultural heirs, a stargate system bridge, that links the local system to the gate on the ship, or a scouting probe for possible stargate sites.

I think the acting in some parts is actually pretty bad, but its a new series and it has to find it's tone. For writers and producers that are used to producing more episodic and lighter series, they have to crawl before they can pwn.

[blacksymbiote]

I have a feeling this is the first glimpse at the new SG "badguy". If it was something as innocent as a probe to help the ship link to the local stargates, I think they would have mentioned it, instead of showing it as something that secretly sneaked away.

[lavahot]

I have a feeling this is the first glimpse at the new SG "badguy". If it was something as innocent as a probe to help the ship link to the local stargates, I think they would have mentioned it, instead of showing it as something that secretly sneaked away.

OOO! Maybe the probe wasn't ancient! Maybe it's from another species that was monitoring the ship! I like the slow burn that we've been getting, i just wish the acting was a little better and they toned down Eli just a tad. I definitely feel like i'm watching LOST, there are quite a few similar character traits spread out to different characters.

[wideawakewesley]

Thankfully ep3 was a step up from the two part pilot. Certainly enough to keep me watching. They need to keep that level of quality as a minimum though. Anything less on a regular basis and I'm tuning out.

[masherscf]

Thankfully ep3 was a step up from the two part pilot. Certainly enough to keep me watching. They need to keep that level of quality as a minimum though. Anything less on a regular basis and I'm tuning out.

I think that after "Torchwood: Children of Earth", all TV Sci-fi had better do some serious stepping-up. I think that TW really redefined what we should expect from Sci-fi television.

[satori]

Hey, here's a thought... have they suspended relativity? Why is time moving at the same speed as Earth?

[masherscf]

Hey, here's a thought... have they suspended relativity? Why is time moving at the same speed as Earth?

The cornerstone of modern science fiction is the suspension of relativity.

[lavahot]

Hey, here's a thought... have they suspended relativity? Why is time moving at the same speed as Earth?

I was talking about that with my buddy earlier. Whatever FTL technology is employed in the ships propulsion negates the effects of relativity. I think that relativity might come into play with the ship's travel later.

[tokenuser]

I think that after "Torchwood: Children of Earth", all TV Sci-fi had better do some serious stepping-up. I think that TW really redefined what we should expect from Sci-fi television.You'll never get a US production to have the same emotional impact that that particular TW storyline had. Its not that it had great special effects or brilliant acting, its that it had a great story that was well written and broached "off limits" subjects that an American writer would never consider.

[satori]

while the funding is US, I thought all the Stargate productions were actually Canadian filmed and produced.

[masherscf]

while the funding is US, I thought all the Stargate productions were actually Canadian filmed and produced.

I think T/U was referring to the fact that SGU is produced for a United States Audience.

[tokenuser]

I think T/U was referring to the fact that SGU is produced for a United States Audience.Correct - and by US writers and production company primarily for US distribution.

Love the stuff that is Canadian written/produced (I enjoyed Flashpoint - intelligent cop drama). Its not dumbed down like you get for a US domestic audience. Thats why I liked the TW:CoE episodes so much - not dumbed down.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

Its definitely a keeper. Me likey lots.

[serenity]

Watching this for the first time right now. Not loving it yet and it's halfway over.

The one thing that is really, really distracting and annoying me is the hideous lighting. That bright white horrible lighting. I hate it, hate it, hate it. I literally have a headache just from watching the episode.

Otherwise I am pretty meh about it so far.

[lavahot]

Watching this for the first time right now. Not loving it yet and it's halfway over.

The one thing that is really, really distracting and annoying me is the hideous lighting. That bright white horrible lighting. I hate it, hate it, hate it. I literally have a headache just from watching the episode.

Otherwise I am pretty meh about it so far.

Really? The lighting doesn't bother me at all. I'm not even really sure why it bothers you.

I think the most interesting part of this series is that it's so vivid that I keep wondering what I would do in their situation. I would probably just run around the ship checking stuff out. That would be soo cool. Why am I talking like I'm 8?

[satori]

Correct - and by US writers and production company primarily for US distribution.

Love the stuff that is Canadian written/produced (I enjoyed Flashpoint - intelligent cop drama). Its not dumbed down like you get for a US domestic audience. Thats why I liked the TW:CoE episodes so much - not dumbed down.

It *is* Canadian produced, the writing may be US, I don't know, but the production is 85% Canadian, with many of the people having worked on BSG. I've read it's part of the reason the production started up so as to capitalize on the resources leaving BSG when it ended.

[tokenuser]

It *is* Canadian produced, the writing may be US, I don't know, but the production is 85% Canadian, with many of the people having worked on BSG. I've read it's part of the reason the production started up so as to capitalize on the resources leaving BSG when it ended.Understand all that - which is why I was very precise and said production company. They hold the purse strings, and look to US ratings to determine if a show stays or goes. Farscape was produced in Australia, and would possibly still be on the air if it wasn't for dying US ratings - because it was still doing well internationally.

[masherscf]

Understand all that - which is why I was very precise and said production company. They hold the purse strings, and look to US ratings to determine if a show stays or goes. Farscape was produced in Australia, and would possibly still be on the air if it wasn't for dying US ratings - because it was still doing well internationally.

Farscape wasn't killed because of flagging ratings. It was killed because it was becoming too expensive to produce. This is a problem that ALL programs produced for the Sci-fi channel will face. This is the reason why SG1 was so inconsistent over the years (i.e. Anderson and Shanks leaving). This is the primary reason that BSG was so inconsistent (one spectacular episode followed by five dull ones) and it is that main reason why the most popular series on Sci-fi always get canceled. Why replace SGA with SGU? SGU is cheaper to produce with mostly young actors.

Sci-fi channel doesn't like Sci-fi, they don't care for Sci-fi fans. All they know is that sci-fi fans are a reasonably secure niche to produce for as long as it doesn't too expensive.

[falen]

So I started watching this show and I think there is enough interesting themes and ideas that I am going to look forward to the show every week.

As a new Stargate fan I have one question that hopefully someone can answer.
I don't understand where in human history this is taking place (20 years in the future? or now?) or whether the Stargate program is top secret or common knowledge. Their personal seem to be all sorts of average people and there does not seem to be a problem with people visiting their loved ones in other people's bodies, but then Eli seemed surprised and amazed to be on a space ship and he was very vague to his mom about where he was and what he was doing.

[tokenuser]

So I started watching this show and I think there is enough interesting themes and ideas that I am going to look forward to the show every week.

As a new Stargate fan I have one question that hopefully someone can answer.
I don't understand where in human history this is taking place (20 years in the future? or now?) or whether the Stargate program is top secret or common knowledge. Their personal seem to be all sorts of average people and there does not seem to be a problem with people visiting their loved ones in other people's bodies, but then Eli seemed surprised and amazed to be on a space ship and he was very vague to his mom about where he was and what he was doing.Near future ... and top secret.

[iccanui]

So far im staying, but im skeptical.

Rush i think i have figured out. They basically are pulling a McKay. He is a brillant jack off who in the end will be " understood " and become a trust worthy likable character. I think the actor playing the role supports that.

Eli i kinda like. I can see how people can be insulted about how he is cast, but i like him enough. So far enough his humor is hitting me, lots of references to things that really matter to me. I dont mind them borrowing from starfighter, it just ties into the kind of people they are trying to give a relatable character too.

I forget the character with the HUGE rack, but honestly that just cheapens the show. I mean i get putting in pretty girls, but this is just unrealistic teen fantasy. A blatant grab at a target audience, not a by product of a storyline. I hope she dies and quickly.

Everyone else is cool, but undefined yet, but its a new snow.


I guess i just seem to remember atlantis and how i thought the wraith were cheezy and i would never get into them and how it just all felt second rate, but it grew into its own. So im sticking with it. I love scifi and its a new show and i dont hate it yet and to boot its from a franchise that brought me one of my favorite movies ever and what... 14 years of something to look forward to every week? Yea ill cut them some slack while they get this off the ground.

[lavahot]

I forget the character with the HUGE rack, but honestly that just cheapens the show. I mean i get putting in pretty girls, but this is just unrealistic teen fantasy. A blatant grab at a target audience, not a by product of a storyline. I hope she dies and quickly.

LMAO. Yeah, I saw her and I thought, "What?" I think she's the main Army dude's love interest. I think he was doing her at the base they were stationed at in the pilot episode. I gotta say though, while I think it might be a cheap grab, I do love me some awesome boobies.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

It was a bit out of place but no more than any random naked tai chi in BSG.

[tokenuser]

LMAO. Yeah, I saw her and I thought, "What?" I think she's the main Army dude's love interest. I think he was doing her at the base they were stationed at in the pilot episode. I gotta say though, while I think it might be a cheap grab, I do love me some awesome boobies.Her "backplot" is that she was doing the Commander, and was a medic who got a scholarship to go to med school ... but was still on the base when it got attacked, so she is basically the ships medical officer.

Interesting thought though - she might be good for fixing cuts and scrapes, but if things got hairy from a medical emergency standpoint, couldn't she use the communication stones to swap with a surgical specialist back on Earth? Ditto any skills - it would be like downloading a skillset in The Matrix, if only temporary. Need an xeno-biologist? Download one. What about an electrical engineer? Bing - got one. I just hope the comm stones don't become the plot crutch like the holodeck that destroyed the ST:Voyager series.

[darknessgp]

Her "backplot" is that she was doing the Commander, and was a medic who got a scholarship to go to med school ... but was still on the base when it got attacked, so she is basically the ships medical officer.

Interesting thought though - she might be good for fixing cuts and scrapes, but if things got hairy from a medical emergency standpoint, couldn't she use the communication stones to swap with a surgical specialist back on Earth? Ditto any skills - it would be like downloading a skillset in The Matrix, if only temporary. Need an xeno-biologist? Download one. What about an electrical engineer? Bing - got one. I just hope the comm stones don't become the plot crutch like the holodeck that destroyed the ST:Voyager series.

umm, they are not refering to the blonde doctor, but the girl that is supposedly with the younger "main" army dude. Here's a pic of her - http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nup_133854_0301x.jpg

As for the stones, that's 1 great and useful thing they could be used for... sadly it seems like they are only getting used for LDP to come in and try to mess everything up, like Woolzy did with Atlantis. The whole "you guys are doing everything wrong, let me do it the right way" that ends up being even worse and the real people have to save his butt. Seriously, every time LDP does the body switch, I instantly know all he's going to do is screw things up. I wish they would completely lose the stones.

[iccanui]

umm, they are not refering to the blonde doctor, but the girl that is supposedly with the younger "main" army dude. Here's a pic of her - http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nup_133854_0301x.jpg

As for the stones, that's 1 great and useful thing they could be used for... sadly it seems like they are only getting used for LDP to come in and try to mess everything up, like Woolzy did with Atlantis. The whole "you guys are doing everything wrong, let me do it the right way" that ends up being even worse and the real people have to save his butt. Seriously, every time LDP does the body switch, I instantly know all he's going to do is screw things up. I wish they would completely lose the stones.

Classic SG is to bring characters that you arent supposed to like, then they chance and become part of the story. Like Woosley, Weir, and that dude that went rogue that jack stayed in touch with.

[tokenuser]

umm, they are not refering to the blonde doctor, but the girl that is supposedly with the younger "main" army dude. Here's a pic of her - http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nup_133854_0301x.jpgAh. Non specific main army dude and non specific rack. I guess that sooner or later we might sort out what their character names are and make it clearer ;)

[tokenuser]

umm, they are not refering to the blonde doctor, but the girl that is supposedly with the younger "main" army dude. Here's a pic of her - http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nup_133854_0301x.jpgAh. Non specific main army dude and non specific rack. I guess that sooner or later we might sort out what their character names are and make it clearer ;)

[lavahot]

umm, they are not refering to the blonde doctor, but the girl that is supposedly with the younger "main" army dude. Here's a pic of her - http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nup_133854_0301x.jpg

As for the stones, that's 1 great and useful thing they could be used for... sadly it seems like they are only getting used for LDP to come in and try to mess everything up, like Woolzy did with Atlantis. The whole "you guys are doing everything wrong, let me do it the right way" that ends up being even worse and the real people have to save his butt. Seriously, every time LDP does the body switch, I instantly know all he's going to do is screw things up. I wish they would completely lose the stones.

Yes! I would totally want to download in a large-breasted kick-ass army chick, if only to totally destroy my psyche.

[lavahot]

*SPOILERS* R-language, adult situations

God is it just me that is totally pissed at Chloe, the Senator's daughter? Maybe it's because I associate myself with Eli too much, but I am just livid that she slept with Matthew, the religious Lieutenant. I understand it's supposed to be their few last moments together, but come ON! I mean, Matthew was already sleeping with Big Boobs McGee, aka Vanessa and he just decides to go with the senators daughter because she's vulnerable and wants to fuck!? Holy Christ! I think Boobs and Eli should hook up after being exposed to some neurotoxin that makes them boink-crazy, just to show them up.

Whether I'm writing this because I truly empathize with the characters and feel betrayed by the storytelling or because I've been asking the same girl out for two weeks now and she's been giving me the run-around, I don't know, but I'm really pissed right now.

Update: Do you like apples?

[masherscf]

***Spolierz***


Get a grip dude, it's just a show. I guess you would have liked it of David Addison had banged Maddie Hayes in the first episode. geez, give the show a place to go. Of course it stinks that the young military guy gets the chick over Eli.... that's to keep you watching. Miserable characters make great TV.

[darknessgp]

*SPOILERS* R-language, adult situations



God is it just me that is totally pissed at Chloe, the Senator's daughter? Maybe it's because I associate myself with Eli too much, but I am just livid that she slept with Matthew, the religious Lieutenant. I understand it's supposed to be their few last moments together, but come ON! I mean, Matthew was already sleeping with Big Boobs McGee, aka Vanessa and he just decides to go with the senators daughter because she's vulnerable and wants to fuck!? Holy Christ! I think Boobs and Eli should hook up after being exposed to some neurotoxin that makes them boink-crazy, just to show them up.

Whether I'm writing this because I truly empathize with the characters and feel betrayed by the storytelling or because I've been asking the same girl out for two weeks now and she's been giving me the run-around, I don't know, but I'm really pissed right now.

Update: Do you like apples?

Maybe I'm completely missing something, but I don't think so. My main problem was the fact that it seems out of the blue. We saw her really connecting with Eli, never with Matthew. Never do we see them have any more than a few sentences. So, them hooking up seems odd to me, but could be a "it's our last moments" crap. but even then, she's got a better relationship with Eli, and let's face it, he's not going to hook up with anyone else. This is worsened by the fact that after they do it, she makes the statement like "I feel closer to you these past few days than anyone else" what? The audience hasn't seen that? We've seen her getting close to Eli. it just doesn't make any sense.

[lavahot]

Maybe I'm completely missing something, but I don't think so. My main problem was the fact that it seems out of the blue. We saw her really connecting with Eli, never with Matthew. Never do we see them have any more than a few sentences. So, them hooking up seems odd to me, but could be a "it's our last moments" crap. but even then, she's got a better relationship with Eli, and let's face it, he's not going to hook up with anyone else. This is worsened by the fact that after they do it, she makes the statement like "I feel closer to you these past few days than anyone else" what? The audience hasn't seen that? We've seen her getting close to Eli. it just doesn't make any sense.

Well, after thinking about it, Matthew was there for Chloe when her father died, and that's emotionally significant. Eli wasn't there because he was too busy with Rush. I still think she didn't really know what she was doing. My biggest problem with it is that we don't really know the status of Matthew and Boobs relationship, and he's just jumping into bed with Chloe like it's the end of the world or something. Oh wait...

On a side note did anybody else see the ending coming? I mean, there is no discussion of Destiny's power generation or power gathering abilities, I think because nobody really knows, but nobody raises the question either.

I really liked how the second string characters that we were introduced to via kino actually fulfilled their backstories. Character development FTW! Akward stares at Boobs FTW!

I think it's important to point out that the "Wah-wah" moment at the end of the pilot that Alex pointed out, which I too felt was "wah-wah," turned out to not be the tone of the series at all, at least not yet. There's too much stuff going on on Destiny for them to bother with the stargate. My suggestion to Jeff: watch the last two episodes and see if your feelings change!

[hellhound]

I'm getting alittle irritated with how much they are trying to establish backgrounds and relationships between the characters and not giving more action for the non-stargate fan (and stargate fan alike)... I can understand wanting to establish a "base" ... but if doesnt provide enuff excitement for a casual fan to keep the numbers up.. it wont last.

It will have me as a viewer for 10 episodes, at least, because I'm dedicated to the Stargate series(I've watched every episode of SG-1, Atlantis and seen both movies)... but if dont ratchet things up for the casual fan... it might not last long

[blacksymbiote]

I really liked this episode. As for the ending, I had kinda guessed that something like that might happen, but nothing to the extreme that did happen. That was awesome. As for the Chloe and Mathew thing, it did seem a little odd. But when I thought back about it, it seems to us that she's been hanging out with Eli and getting friendly with him for weeks, but you can tell that it's really only been a couple days, 3 at the max, since her dad died. The desert planet episode only happened 1 or 2 days ago for them. They mentioned that Mathew and Greer were the "heroes of yesterday" and they're all still sunburned as if they just got off the beach. So all that soul searching and consoling her about her dad had just happened. So yes it sucks, and I was/am totally rooting for Eli, but I think it still makes sense, just the show's timing is off. Clearly it hurts for Eli, and you can see it, and I think this will just make for interestingly deeper character development.

[falen]

Haha I would also like to see Boobs McGee and Eli hook up just because it is atypical of the usual narrative pair ups.

I also want to add one thing I like about Eli, and that is the casting. While he is not a bese shutin he is not one of the usual TV nerds that wears glasses and a Halo shirt but still looks like he has a personal trainer and could be the quarterback of the football team.

[lavahot]

Haha I would also like to see Boobs McGee and Eli hook up just because it is atypical of the usual narrative pair ups.

I also want to add one thing I like about Eli, and that is the casting. While he is not a bese shutin he is not one of the usual TV nerds that wears glasses and a Halo shirt but still looks like he has a personal trainer and could be the quarterback of the football team.

Jebus, what football team is that? My favorite thing about Eli is his shirt, "YOU ARE HERE".

[iccanui]

I officially give up on this being a good "Stargate " series. This is horrible compared to Atlantis and SG-1. From the bit titty actresses, to the way to long lasting sex scenes and just blatant rip off's from BSG, and not even the good stuff, the parts i HATED about BSG. I am so disappointed in this as a stargate fan in general.

To me Stargate was a cerebral show, delving into myths of our past in fun and interesting ways, bringing modern cutting edge theoretical science to life. A thought provoking show more often then not. This just seems so much lower on the brainstem. I mean when has there ever been a long drawn out sex scene in the SG world ? This show just caters to a different audience and its a shame, well for me it is. It really is feeling like what " Enterprise " was to the Star Trek Series.

Now that i said my piece on how this series fits into the SG world, i have to say there is really nothing better on right now as far as space sci fi shows, which i dig. Ill be watching it every friday, but from here on out its gonna be taken out of the universe i love and placed into its own category if that makes sense.

[darknessgp]

Well, after thinking about it, Matthew was there for Chloe when her father died, and that's emotionally significant. Eli wasn't there because he was too busy with Rush. I still think she didn't really know what she was doing. My biggest problem with it is that we don't really know the status of Matthew and Boobs relationship, and he's just jumping into bed with Chloe like it's the end of the world or something. Oh wait...

On a side note did anybody else see the ending coming? I mean, there is no discussion of Destiny's power generation or power gathering abilities, I think because nobody really knows, but nobody raises the question either.
...

I don't know. I still think based on what the audience is shown it felt completely out of place and made no sense.

As for the ending, yea I totally saw that coming. I mean the ship dropped out of FTL with the sling shot trajectory around the planet and so far it's known what it is doing. plus, I'm guessing they just assumed the ancients sent out a ship with a limited power source that happened to have lasted thousands upon perhaps thousands of years? I mean it'd be a safe assumption that the ancients would have implemented some plan to re power up the ship automatically while it's on it's trip. It seems that the characters/writers are very quick to completely forget that the ancients invented the stargates, beaming tech, etc. etc. etc.

[serenity]

I officially give up on this being a good "Stargate " series. This is horrible compared to Atlantis and SG-1. From the bit titty actresses, to the way to long lasting sex scenes and just blatant rip off's from BSG, and not even the good stuff, the parts i HATED about BSG. I am so disappointed in this as a stargate fan in general.

To me Stargate was a cerebral show, delving into myths of our past in fun and interesting ways, bringing modern cutting edge theoretical science to life. A thought provoking show more often then not. This just seems so much lower on the brainstem. I mean when has there ever been a long drawn out sex scene in the SG world ? This show just caters to a different audience and its a shame, well for me it is. It really is feeling like what " Enterprise " was to the Star Trek Series.

Now that i said my piece on how this series fits into the SG world, i have to say there is really nothing better on right now as far as space sci fi shows, which i dig. Ill be watching it every friday, but from here on out its gonna be taken out of the universe i love and placed into its own category if that makes sense.

I completely agree with this.
You've said exactly what I was thinking.

[lavahot]

I don't know. I still think based on what the audience is shown it felt completely out of place and made no sense.

As for the ending, yea I totally saw that coming. I mean the ship dropped out of FTL with the sling shot trajectory around the planet and so far it's known what it is doing. plus, I'm guessing they just assumed the ancients sent out a ship with a limited power source that happened to have lasted thousands upon perhaps thousands of years? I mean it'd be a safe assumption that the ancients would have implemented some plan to re power up the ship automatically while it's on it's trip. It seems that the characters/writers are very quick to completely forget that the ancients invented the stargates, beaming tech, etc. etc. etc.

The ship didn't drop out into a slingshot trajectory, Matthew had to course-correct to make that maneuver, which means either Destiny's guidance systems are failing, or Destiny is "testing" it's new crew.

Well, if it's BILLIONS of light years away from Earth, and Atlantis left Earth 123 million years ago, I think it's safe to say that the ship is in the order of hundreds of millions of years old, depending on how fast it's non-hyperspace FTL actually is.

I also think it's strange that a ship this old has no apparent self-repair capabilities. I think it has to have some, they just don't work right now for some reason. I think the Kinos might possibly function in this capacity.

[lavahot]

I officially give up on this being a good "Stargate " series. This is horrible compared to Atlantis and SG-1. From the bit titty actresses, to the way to long lasting sex scenes and just blatant rip off's from BSG, and not even the good stuff, the parts i HATED about BSG. I am so disappointed in this as a stargate fan in general.

To me Stargate was a cerebral show, delving into myths of our past in fun and interesting ways, bringing modern cutting edge theoretical science to life. A thought provoking show more often then not. This just seems so much lower on the brainstem. I mean when has there ever been a long drawn out sex scene in the SG world ? This show just caters to a different audience and its a shame, well for me it is. It really is feeling like what " Enterprise " was to the Star Trek Series.

Now that i said my piece on how this series fits into the SG world, i have to say there is really nothing better on right now as far as space sci fi shows, which i dig. Ill be watching it every friday, but from here on out its gonna be taken out of the universe i love and placed into its own category if that makes sense.

So, wait, I'm confused. What Stargate did YOU watch? Stargate is NOT a cerebral show, it never has been. They've talked about more real science on this show than in pretty much the entirety of either of the other series. (Thanks to this show and wikipedia I understand how orbital insertion works.) And what exactly were the GOOD parts of BSG again?

I guarantee that there has been a sex scene in SG before, i just can't think of one in particular.

Stargate has explored the past already, now it's time to explore the future, and the Destiny that awaits us. This is NOT Enterprise.

[matthewniverse]

So, wait, I'm confused. What Stargate did YOU watch? Stargate is NOT a cerebral show...

TOTALLY! Stargate has never really been about the thinking. They PLAY at being cerebral by having the resident genius spout off a few science buzz words before the resident military/neanderthal makes his obligatory "me no get brain words, you canz fix universe now?" comment.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. But let's be realistic here and not make Stargate into anything more than it ever was. I liked the old Stargates (even the eps after RDA left) but I think SGU is the first time the franchise even REMOTELY took itself seriously.

[satori]

So don't take this the wrong way, I loooove SGU so far, but I've got my first plot hole in the SG canon. So they've go this ship that predates Atlantis, and yet their shield technology is such that they can fly through a sun with a shield that can withstand millions of nuclear reactions occurring around it. The Pegasus ancients couldn't withstand hundreds of Wraith ships firing at it, but these guys can fly through millions of nukes? oooops! Anyway, like I said, great show, I can forgive it. I'm going to choose to think that maybe they're taking the BSG stance and not everything from SG canon has to be true and that they're going to take some liberties.

So, wait, I'm confused. What Stargate did YOU watch? Stargate is NOT a cerebral show, it never has been.


Thank you for saying that, I feel like I'm the only one here that thinks SG was dumbed down all to hell... It's a guilty pleasure that I watched it in the first place. It's got some great ideas, but the execution felt like it was lowest common denomentor and I could predict pretty much what was going to happen in almost every show. I can already tell that SG will break that mold. They seem to be avoiding the idea that everything has to have a happy ending. Sure the last episode did, but the one before it not so much. I have high hopes for this show as long as they don't simply clone BSG, we've already got one of those.

[masherscf]

So don't take this the wrong way, I loooove SGU so far, but I've got my first plot hole in the SG canon. So they've go this ship that predates Atlantis, and yet their shield technology is such that they can fly through a sun with a shield that can withstand millions of nuclear reactions occurring around it.

We still don't know the purpose of "Destiny." It might be like the Borg or Nomad, where it collects alien technologies its travels or it may have been renovated by an advanced alien race at some point. On the other hand, it could just be bad writing. Rush seemed chiefly concerned with the heat. Although, I expect that tidal forces would have been a great stress on people.


FWIW, I found the entire episode very predictable. "Doctor Who" featured a ship that collected fuel from an star a few years ago. It was plain that is where the writers were going.

[darknessgp]

The ship didn't drop out into a slingshot trajectory, Matthew had to course-correct to make that maneuver, which means either Destiny's guidance systems are failing, or Destiny is "testing" it's new crew.

Well, if it's BILLIONS of light years away from Earth, and Atlantis left Earth 123 million years ago, I think it's safe to say that the ship is in the order of hundreds of millions of years old, depending on how fast it's non-hyperspace FTL actually is.

I also think it's strange that a ship this old has no apparent self-repair capabilities. I think it has to have some, they just don't work right now for some reason. I think the Kinos might possibly function in this capacity.

that's true, I forgot about the course correction. perhaps, the ship was already planning on going into the sun, but wouldn't make it in time before life support completely shut off... though I like the idea that the ship knows there are people on board and are testing them in some way.

as for satori's shield theory... it all depends, it would make sense for them to put their highest tech of the time into the ship. Perhaps the shield technology is soo great that it can withstand going into a star, but perhaps it is also a gigantic massive power drain, for example, completely draining a full ZPM in less than a second. But since they are in the star and harvesting power from it, they can pull in way more power than that in a second. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with you, I just don't think we have all the info to say for certain that it is/would be a plot hole.

[satori]

We still don't know the purpose of "Destiny." It might be like the Borg or Nomad, where it collects alien technologies its travels or it may have been renovated by an advanced alien race at some point. On the other hand, it could just be bad writing. Rush seemed chiefly concerned with the heat. Although, I expect that tidal forces would have been a great stress on people.

so you're wondering if it was like Vger from Star Trek the motion picture? I like that concept, but I honestly doubt it. I would think that the OS would of changed if that were the case and everything is written in the original language... besides, I think you're being entirely optimistic on that one, I think they just decided to ignore the idea entirely.

[lavahot]

So don't take this the wrong way, I loooove SGU so far, but I've got my first plot hole in the SG canon. So they've go this ship that predates Atlantis, and yet their shield technology is such that they can fly through a sun with a shield that can withstand millions of nuclear reactions occurring around it. The Pegasus ancients couldn't withstand hundreds of Wraith ships firing at it, but these guys can fly through millions of nukes? oooops! Anyway, like I said, great show, I can forgive it. I'm going to choose to think that maybe they're taking the BSG stance and not everything from SG canon has to be true and that they're going to take some liberties.

Actually, since they knew they weren't going to be on the ship again for hundreds of millions of years, they had to build it to last. They put more quality materials and engineering into Destiny than most other Ancient technology because it had to survive the test of time. Atlantis itself was probably built some millennia after Destiny, and while it was built around the same time, they knew that people would be around to maintain it for it's entire existence so they didn't have to put as much time, effort, and materials (as in quality, not quantity) into building it. That said, there could be a difference in the shield technology which allows Destiny to power itself from the solar environment.

[tokenuser]

Could they be more recent ancients (was it said anywhere that they were older than those involved in Atlantis) and/or time is distorted by constant FTL travel?

And regarding FTL ... have they called it that in the show or are we borrowing from BSG?

[lavahot]

Could they be more recent ancients (was it said anywhere that they were older than those involved in Atlantis) and/or time is distorted by constant FTL travel?

And regarding FTL ... have they called it that in the show or are we borrowing from BSG?

The FTL of Destiny seems to negate the effects of relativity. Atlantis was manned up until 10,000 years ago, Destiny was built 100s of millions of years ago, probably on or near Earth around the time that Atlantis and the Ancients were originally there. Although the design seems to be significantly different from most Ancient bases and installations, so much that it would seem to come from a totally different era of design and technology than almost all other Ancient technology we've encountered.

[darknessgp]

Could they be more recent ancients (was it said anywhere that they were older than those involved in Atlantis) and/or time is distorted by constant FTL travel?

And regarding FTL ... have they called it that in the show or are we borrowing from BSG?

have you watched any of the show? I only ask because it seems odd to postulate ideas if you don't even know that they call it FTL in the show.

As for the idea of more recent ancients, doubtful. Rush seems certain that it is from way way before anything else, and given it's traveled distance, it makes sense. Plus, they say that it was probably sent out around the same time the ships that dropped off stargates were sent...

[tokenuser]

have you watched any of the show? I only ask because it seems odd to postulate ideas if you don't even know that they call it FTL in the show.

As for the idea of more recent ancients, doubtful. Rush seems certain that it is from way way before anything else, and given it's traveled distance, it makes sense. Plus, they say that it was probably sent out around the same time the ships that dropped off stargates were sent...I've been watching the show - and really enjoying it, just can't remember if thats what they call it or not. Minor detail.

I'd like to know how the beds and linens on them have survived millennia without disintegrating. Hard surfaces, no worries, but textiles?

[lavahot]

I've been watching the show - and really enjoying it, just can't remember if thats what they call it or not. Minor detail.

I'd like to know how the beds and linens on them have survived millennia without disintegrating. Hard surfaces, no worries, but textiles?

Hmm, synthetic?

[giggleloop]

I think that after "Torchwood: Children of Earth", all TV Sci-fi had better do some serious stepping-up. I think that TW really redefined what we should expect from Sci-fi television.


Agreed times a million, although I wasn't happy about the way TW:CoE ended, the storyline itself was outstanding.

I've been watching SGU, since I'm a Stargate fan, but I'm still not too crazy about it. The visual style so far is too BSG for me, although I think the new "digital" game design is pretty bitchin'. But I'm finding I'm having the same trouble with this as I did when I started watching SG1: there's not a single character that I really identify with or care about at all, which makes it difficult to stay invested in this show. I'll keep trying though, I mean, I did eventually come around to SG1 in a big way.

Also, is it just me or has nobody on the Destiny said anything about the people who went through the gate to the locked out planet? I mean, I know it'll come up again eventually (I would hope), but it seems kind of odd that they're all just like, "Oh well, they're gone. Whatever. Next!" *shrug*

And I too find Rush really irritating. Which sucks, because I like Robert Carlyle in everything else I've ever seen him in. Hmmph. Maybe he'll grow on me eventually, I don't know.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

Rush and Eli are definately favorites of mine.

Rush isn't some asshole genius like McKay that's so ego driven and cowardly you can't see why anyone gives a shit. Rush has taken on the responsibility of being the only one person there that can actually do anything. He doesn't see himself as "the shit" or awesome just busy. Everyone is getting in his way and his only goal is surviving long enough to understand Destiny. Survival. That's the heart of it. He's not mean, or bitchy because he's an ass. But because he thinks he's the only one that can save them. Most of the time this comes with arrogance, but with Rush it comes with a profound sadness, and a "help me or leave me alone" attitude.

The change that came on him when he realized that he couldn't win this one. That he couldn't fight. He became a normal... if a bit curt man who could honestly say he'd done everything he could. When the day was finally saved, and Young is trying to pat him on the back he wants none of it. Why? Because he hates everyone and is a giant dick? No. Because to Rush he's back in a fight. He's taken the burden back on his shoulders.... Its a great character to watch. Look at the last episode. Rush had to learn to rely on Eli. ("Mathboy...") He had to let someone else do the work and trust that they didn't ruin everything. You could see how hard it was for Rush to do it. Not because he's greedy, or wants the credit but because he couldn't believe that Eli could be as right as him.

I love it.

Eli is a stereotype. It sucks. He's the Everyman. The contest winner. If it wasn't for the actor playing him, his character would be throw away. But there's a softness, a vulnerability to Eli that comes from being profound gifted but also under achieving. I love the fact that he didn't get the girl. That the drama of that moment was underplayed. That Eli isn't vindictive, or dramatic. It was punch to the gut, you could see it. But he'll shake it off...


Young is interesting. Its not everyday that we see the evolution of a leader. The idea of a man learning command. Thats what it feels like. That Young knows that his not qualified to lead yet he's doing what he can. That you can actually see him trying to figure out how to lead these people and keep Rush in line. Its different.

It's BSG! It's Voyager!... its... not. I was very much aware of similarities between the lighting and set design of BSG. But why not?! If they learned from the popularity of one show and incorporated it into another great! BSG looked awesome. SGU looks great! The ship looks ancient. It feels old. The haze the windows, the grime. It fits. It doesn't seem out of place...

TRS Review.

I thought Danny was the only one that seemed genuinely interested in the show. Alex's nitpick about the "planet of the week" arcs is baseless. They've gone through the gate once in 5 episodes. So... nyah. Jeff's overreaction to Eli's exposition isn't out of character for Jeff, but its kind of sad to see someone you respect be blinded to a great show because of one tried cliche. But I never could get into The Wire, or The Shield so to each their own.

[satori]

Actually, since they knew they weren't going to be on the ship again for hundreds of millions of years, they had to build it to last. They put more quality materials and engineering into Destiny than most other Ancient technology because it had to survive the test of time. Atlantis itself was probably built some millennia after Destiny, and while it was built around the same time, they knew that people would be around to maintain it for it's entire existence so they didn't have to put as much time, effort, and materials (as in quality, not quantity) into building it. That said, there could be a difference in the shield technology which allows Destiny to power itself from the solar environment.

ah, so we're just making stuff up now. "Ben the ancient was out one day when suddenly he invented a new method of capturing energy for a non relativistic FTL drive. Then he threw a stick and Fido, Ben's dog fetched the stick"... there, now I'm a writer!

Yes, the ancients that made destiny are older than the ones who made Atlantis. They establish that in the first ep.

Why go to the trouble of saying that it's an FTL drive and yet negate physics? Exactly why would you bother doing that, and how would they make that happen? Seeing as they haven't addressed it at all I'm going to go with 'plot hole'.

Still like the show though. :D

edit: oh, and the similarities to BSG are not simply because they copied the people who made BSG... In many cases they are the *same people*. BSG filmed in Vancouver, SGU is filming in Vancouver... they saved whomever they could.

[darknessgp]

ah, so we're just making stuff up now. "Ben the ancient was out one day when suddenly he invented a new method of capturing energy for a non relativistic FTL drive. Then he threw a stick and Fido, Ben's dog fetched the stick"... there, now I'm a writer!

Yes, the ancients that made destiny are older than the ones who made Atlantis. They establish that in the first ep.

Why go to the trouble of saying that it's an FTL drive and yet negate physics? Exactly why would you bother doing that, and how would they make that happen? Seeing as they haven't addressed it at all I'm going to go with 'plot hole'. ...

I will only say one thing, the ONLY thing they've covered about the "FTL" drive is that it does in fact allow the ship to travel faster than light and it is not using wormhole technology that we have seen before. Other than that, we have no idea how it functions or anything. Yes, it could simply just allow the ship to physically move faster than the speed of light or it could be something completely different... remember all we know is what the characters have postulated.

Oh and random something that has ALWAYS bothered me about BSG's "FTL" drive. It's not really Faster Than Light travel, it's actually just a teleportation-like device.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

edit: oh, and the similarities to BSG are not simply because they copied the people who made BSG... In many cases they are the *same people*. BSG filmed in Vancouver, SGU is filming in Vancouver... they saved whomever they could.

Well by that logic BSG copied SG1 and LOTR copied Xena: Warrior Princess... but i getcha. My point is that to ridicule a show for building off the effects/aesthetics of another is kind of lame.

[gm_wil]

I find it odd all the science mumbo-jumbo even matters when it's a show based on character conflict, not how fast they fly.

The show's growing on me little by little. I was surprised they did this kind of episode (the sun one) so early in the series when the characters are so new to us . . . it would have made more sense to hold off a bit so we could get to know them more so the thought of losing a few of them would have been felt a bit more and added a bit more tension.

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[masherscf]

There's been some pretty hostile reaction in some quarters to the young LT sexual relationship with the senators daughter. I guess they struck a nerve. Apparently, geeks around the world took it personally when the chick took an emotional dump on him.

[satori]

I will only say one thing, the ONLY thing they've covered about the "FTL" drive is that it does in fact allow the ship to travel faster than light and it is not using wormhole technology that we have seen before. Other than that, we have no idea how it functions or anything. Yes, it could simply just allow the ship to physically move faster than the speed of light or it could be something completely different... remember all we know is what the characters have postulated.

Physics is physics, if they're in a place where physics don't apply will up now be down will we randomly see unicorns?

[gm_wil]

Physics is physics

As "we" know it.

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[masherscf]

Physics is physics, if they're in a place where physics don't apply will up now be down will we randomly see unicorns?

We only assume that

1. We know all the laws of physics

2. Physics works the same everywhere

[darknessgp]

Physics is physics, if they're in a place where physics don't apply will up now be down will we randomly see unicorns?

really? I have one word that will sum up my response: Stargates.

Seriously, the whole show is based around the idea that not everything we know is really how it is. We have NO idea how the ship functions, it could very well function outside of normal physics. The characters have made reference that it makes the ship move faster than light, supposedly impossible... and they have made reference that it is not like any type of hyperspace or wormhole technology they have ever seen. Does that mean it is in fact moving faster than light without jumping to hyperspace or using a wormhole? not at all. it just means that it hasn't been explained what the ship is actually doing.

[blacksymbiote]

Yeah, the ship could be something insane, like the engines actually create a bubble that alters the laws of physics and time and space around it, which allows it to move at crazy speeds, and it'd be ok because the stargates are just as impossible.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

...like the engines actually create a bubble that alters the laws of physics and time and space around it, which allows it to move at crazy speeds....

Some speed like... oh I'm just throwing this out there... like... warp? Yeah that sounds good. The engine creates a "warp" bubble around the ship making it able to travel faster than light... it could be not only powered by suns but by antimatter in a core deep within it... and the words "Enterprise" written across it.

:p

[gm_wil]

Some speed like... oh I'm just throwing this out there... like... warp? Yeah that sounds good. The engine creates a "warp" bubble around the ship making it able to travel faster than light... it could be not only powered by suns but by antimatter in a core deep within it... and the words "Enterprise" written across it.

:p

mwhahahahahaha

I was going to post something similar about a "type of hyperspace" the ship flies through like a falcon.

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[blacksymbiote]

Some speed like... oh I'm just throwing this out there... like... warp? Yeah that sounds good. The engine creates a "warp" bubble around the ship making it able to travel faster than light... it could be not only powered by suns but by antimatter in a core deep within it... and the words "Enterprise" written across it.

:p

oh ho ho, very clever. But did the warp bubble alter the laws of physics? or just preserve a bubble of space around them so they didn't squish? Or was that just what the inertia dampers were for? But yeah, I supposed that's similar to what i was talking to, but I was more thinking like, E=mc^2 wouldn't actually be true anymore in the vicinity of the ship. Something way out there and really impossible. Like when they go into that mode of travel, maybe the ship doesn't move, it moves the universe, haha.

[masherscf]

"With all due respect." FTW!

[quantumtheory]

After what happened aboard Destiny with LDP aboard, It seems like everyone on Earth will be taken out of the picture for awhile, as to what happens aboard ship. The Colonel seems to be in charge now, which is good, but Rush is most definitely hiding something. Also, I'm hoping they make Eli a more useful character after that conversation with the Colonel. If he actually knows how most of that stuff works instead of being just good at math, I will start to like his character a lot more.

[lavahot]

oh ho ho, very clever. But did the warp bubble alter the laws of physics? or just preserve a bubble of space around them so they didn't squish? Or was that just what the inertia dampers were for? But yeah, I supposed that's similar to what i was talking to, but I was more thinking like, E=mc^2 wouldn't actually be true anymore in the vicinity of the ship. Something way out there and really impossible. Like when they go into that mode of travel, maybe the ship doesn't move, it moves the universe, haha.

By my understanding, warp reduces the inertial mass of any object in the warp field. Hypothetically, this still works with relativity, it just sort of cheats it.

[darknessgp]

After what happened aboard Destiny with LDP aboard, It seems like everyone on Earth will be taken out of the picture for awhile, as to what happens aboard ship. The Colonel seems to be in charge now, which is good, but Rush is most definitely hiding something. Also, I'm hoping they make Eli a more useful character after that conversation with the Colonel. If he actually knows how most of that stuff works instead of being just good at math, I will start to like his character a lot more.

I really wish they would just throw the stones device out a window or something. It seems to be as I feared, the stories with the people coming on board the ship is just a "they think the people on the ship are doing everything wrong, and that they can fix it, so they try and HORRIBLY fail." like Woolzy from Atlantis. Every time they've used the stones recently, I've kind of cringed a little, as I know it's going to be someone from Earth screwing stuff up. Especially, if it is LDP. I think the show would really improve if they completely lost him.

[blacksymbiote]

Everyone here was so in love with this "LDP" before the show started, and I'm just wishing he was never on the show. I hate him and his character. I hope they ditch him. And of course now he's going to trick Young's wife into sleeping with him. Such an asshole.

[masherscf]

Everyone here was so in love with this "LDP" before the show started, and I'm just wishing he was never on the show. I hate him and his character. I hope they ditch him. And of course now he's going to trick Young's wife into sleeping with him. Such an asshole.

You're thinking that he wasn't sleeping with her already. But, Young was already having it off with hot blonds medic chick.

[lavahot]

You're thinking that he wasn't sleeping with her already. But, Young was already having it off with hot blonds medic chick.

I'm 99.99% certain that was a dream. I'm don't know what's going to happen between LDP and Young's wife, but I don't think he'll pretend to be Young, that trick will only work once. It's an extremely interesting idea, probably the best moment of the show yet is where LDP shows up at her door, and I want to know where it goes!

I think it's funny that Eli and Whore had that psuedo-romantic drunk moment from Superbad, almost to a T.

[masherscf]

I think it's funny that Eli and Whore had that psuedo-romantic drunk moment from Superbad, almost to a T.

Why is she a whore again? Can't a woman get involved with a smooth talking attractive guy at a moment of emotional weakness without being a whore? Haven't you ever known a woman to sleep with the wrong guy. I guess that makes them whores.

[lavahot]

Why is she a whore again? Can't a woman get involved with a smooth talking attractive guy at a moment of emotional weakness without being a whore? Haven't you ever known a woman to sleep with the wrong guy. I guess that makes them whores.

In my experience, women always sleep with the wrong guy, because that guy isn't me. Although you could make the reverse argument, that in my experience women never sleep with the wrong guy, because that guy isn't me.

I don't feel that way about that character anymore because she meaningfully connected with Eli in a drunken stuper, I just couldn't remember the girl's name.

[satori]

what is the point of calling it Faster Than Light... why not call it hyperspace, a term which pretty much says "go screw yourselves, we're going to explain how they go that fast, we use Pixie dust, ok?" Sure they could have a bubble around them... what about they're all wearing one wet sock that was dipped in the vaginal juices of the goddess Venus? Seriously... we could all make stuff up till the cows come home, but they took the time to call it FTL.

[blacksymbiote]

what is the point of calling it Faster Than Light... why not call it hyperspace, a term which pretty much says "go screw yourselves, we're going to explain how they go that fast, we use Pixie dust, ok?" Sure they could have a bubble around them... what about they're all wearing one wet sock that was dipped in the vaginal juices of the goddess Venus? Seriously... we could all make stuff up till the cows come home, but they took the time to call it FTL.

I don't think we're all just making up excuses for them to ignore the FTL naming of their form of travel, I think it's more like guessing how they might explain it later. In other words, having fun and enjoying the series. I honestly don't understand why this is such a big issue for you. No matter what hippie "pixie dust" alternate name they could come up with, they're still traveling faster than light. So why not just call it that?

[tokenuser]

I don't feel that way about that character anymore because she meaningfully connected with Eli in a drunken stuper, I just couldn't remember the girl's name.Yeah ... but she wants to screw the LT, but be best friends with Eli.

[masherscf]

In my experience, women always sleep with the wrong guy, because that guy isn't me. Although you could make the reverse argument, that in my experience women never sleep with the wrong guy, because that guy isn't me.

I don't feel that way about that character anymore because she meaningfully connected with Eli in a drunken stuper, I just couldn't remember the girl's name.

I thought what they've done is masterful. They create an underachieving genius character for everyone to identify with. Then they create a love interest for him and promptly give the women to the Jock-LT. What event is more central to the geek experience than to be close friends with a woman who is inexplicably involved with someone else. Is there a person on this board that hasn't had that experience?

[darknessgp]

Why is she a whore again? Can't a woman get involved with a smooth talking attractive guy at a moment of emotional weakness without being a whore? Haven't you ever known a woman to sleep with the wrong guy. I guess that makes them whores.

Where is this "smooth talking attractive guy"? I'll give you that he's more attractive than Eli, but smooth talking? uh? I'd say he plays more of the kind of dumb army guy role. plus, we barely saw him say ANYTHING to her before they go off an sleep together.

what is the point of calling it Faster Than Light... why not call it hyperspace, a term which pretty much says "go screw yourselves, we're going to explain how they go that fast, we use Pixie dust, ok?" Sure they could have a bubble around them... what about they're all wearing one wet sock that was dipped in the vaginal juices of the goddess Venus? Seriously... we could all make stuff up till the cows come home, but they took the time to call it FTL.

"Faster Than Light" tells us nothing more than they are in fact travelling faster than the speed of light. Technically both the hyperdrives and the Stargate also go faster than light... So, why give it a specific name? (which is probably listed in the ship somewhere so they can find later) Why not give it a GENERIC name until you find out what it actually is? Personally, I don't think many people read as much into the naming as you do. It is a generic name and just means that it causes the ship to move faster than light, how it does this? no one knows. Are they in subspace? no one knows. Are they in hyperspace or a wormhole? no one knows, but it's definitely not like any hyperspace or wormhole seen by the humans on the show before.

[satori]

I thought what they've done is masterful. They create an underachieving genius character for everyone to identify with. Then they create a love interest for him and promptly give the women to the Jock-LT. What event is more central to the geek experience than to be close friends with a woman who is inexplicably involved with someone else. Is there a person on this board that hasn't had that experience?

Not even just that, I like that they made the LT completely likable as well. It would of been so easy to make him a Biff character. I was saying to someone the other day how flashforward has lost me because as interesting as the story is the characters are so fatally flawed that I'm not interested in what happens to them, and to be honest I actually flinch when they come on screen. The SG:U writers have found a great balance. Even that sometimes douchey Rush is a little likable from time to time.

I don't think we're all just making up excuses for them to ignore the FTL naming of their form of travel, I think it's more like guessing how they might explain it later. In other words, having fun and enjoying the series. I honestly don't understand why this is such a big issue for you. No matter what hippie "pixie dust" alternate name they could come up with, they're still traveling faster than light. So why not just call it that?

I guess I just want someone else to agree that the writers aren't perfect and that they've slipped up. I'm still going with the one wet sock theory though.

[blacksymbiote]

Is anyone else having a really hard time remembering the names of these characters? I am, and I'm wondering if that says something about the show. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone, with the characters almost never being referred to by name here, other than Eli and Rush. Those are really the only unique, stand out characters it seems. All the other characters are called by nicknames.

Also, do you think that's the last we've seen of Eli's red "You are here" shirt? Was that the trick they used to get him into the weird sci-fi tv uniform number 3?

[wiz486]

Every since I saw the pilot of V, I have been liking SG: universe so much more.

^^^ I never realized how few of the characters I could recall via name. Interesting...

[elsantos]

Did anyone catch the newest episode ("Time")? The first seven episodes I liked but didn't love - interesting story, decent characters, but nothing great. But honestly I really, really enjoyed this one. Like a lot.

If you stopped watching after 1 or 2 episodes, I'd give this one a shot.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

"Time" was one of the best ones yet. Very scifi. I loved it.

[lavahot]

"Time" was one of the best ones yet. Very scifi. I loved it.

Time travel is that one thing that Stargate writers can pull out of their hat to make a memorable episode. I too loved this episode, but I feel a little cheated because all of the character development we saw will have to happen again because the first kino will not be seen by anybody in the current timeline.

[elsantos]

Time travel is that one thing that Stargate writers can pull out of their hat to make a memorable episode. I too loved this episode, but I feel a little cheated because all of the character development we saw will have to happen again because the first kino will not be seen by anybody in the current timeline.

Unless of course they find both kinos! ...But I can't figure out if that's possible. Time travel makes my brain wrinkle.

[gm_wil]

Masterchief took the words right outta m' mouth. And ya know, Eli is the only character name I can recall. Odd.

[quantumtheory]

I can recall most everyone's name. I'll admit it took me a few episodes but I've got it now. I was hoping they would stop using the stones but it seems tonight they are getting right back into using them again.(I haven't watched it yet. Just what I know from last weeks preview.) I hope Rush gets the bright idea to throw them out an airlock or something. While it's nice to see RDA and LDP some. I think I would much prefer if they disappeared.

[tokenuser]

While it's nice to see RDA and LDP some. I think I would much prefer if they disappeared.I think you'll like the last 5 min tonight then. No spoilers - just something that needed to happen.

[ghelyar]

Is anyone else getting pissed off at the same useless previous episode clips at the start of every single f***ing episode?

Every sodding episode starts off with "Destiny - the design is clearly ancient" etc.



Why bother to have the short style SG:U intro, which is only there because people don't like to see the same shit every single week, and then put this at the start?



P.S. sorry if this has already been posted, I read the first few pages and the last few pages of this thread and didn't see it anywhere in there.

[darknessgp]

Is anyone else getting pissed off at the same useless previous episode clips at the start of every single f***ing episode?

Every sodding episode starts off with "Destiny - the design is clearly ancient" etc.

Why bother to have the short style SG:U intro, which is only there because people don't like to see the same shit every single week, and then put this at the start?

P.S. sorry if this has already been posted, I read the first few pages and the last few pages of this thread and didn't see it anywhere in there.

I wouldn't say pissing me off, but it is annoying. I believe the reasoning is that if someone who hasn't been watching the show, watches one of the episodes in the middle, then they will basically be up to speed.

[geekspeaker]

SGU is OK but it moves too slow. I mean like the past 9 episodes feel like 5. They keep putting in boring crap just to kill time.

[satori]

SGU is OK but it moves too slow. I mean like the past 9 episodes feel like 5. They keep putting in boring crap just to kill time.

Yeah... and when are they going to explain the FTL? ;)

[tokenuser]

Since the episode is now over, and people will have had a chance to watch I'd like to say:

1. Choice of opening/closing song was perfect ... and 3 days later is now stuck in my head (I need Rick Rolling).
2. Young wants everyone fit, and Eli still doesn't get to ride the bike?
3. The Young/Telford ending was great.

[lavahot]

2. Young wants everyone fit, and Eli still doesn't get to ride the bike?

What bike?

[blacksymbiote]

What bike?

The town bike.

I have one thing to mention, how are there soft leather chairs on the Destiny for her to interview people in? It was kinda brought up before regarding the beds. But I somehow ignored it. I think I convinced myself that the mattresses would be some kind of foam or plastic which wouldn't rot, and maybe, impossibly, all their bed sheets were in the many cases and crates they brought with them. But well worn comfy leather chairs? Sorry SG:U. I ain't buying it anymore. Now they've made me doubt the beds too. Lame.

[gm_wil]

thought the whole "trial type" episode was gonna be a sleeper . . . man, was I wrong.

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[satori]

*******spoiler********

so baltar has been banished and will show up with other alien technology. Can anyone confirm or deny if the smaller ship we saw fly off from Destiny a few weeks ago at the end of the episode was the same type of craft?

[blacksymbiote]

I quite enjoyed this week's episode. I'm glad they took a break from those stones. I know they're a key part of this series, but I'm still getting a little tired of them. I wonder what will happen from the chair stuff.

[masherscf]

This sort of reminded me of "Court Martial" from the original Star trek series. Not because the stories were that similar, but because of the similar vib. I get the feeling that if Ming Na ever really tried to take over she would end up in pretty sorry condition. She's pretty right to fear the military guys in leadership positions. However, the military guys are the only trained leaders in the bunch. Otherwise, the crew are a bunch of whining losers that couldn't cut it at SGC or Atlantis. You get the feeling that Rodney would have had the destiny flying loop-de-loops back to Earth a long time ago. With Rush's agenda a personal achievement, he has no incentive for returning the Destiny folk back to Earth.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

Yep, and I love the idea of that you started with all of young's friends saying he'd never kill a man. Then... at the end, he's left with the decision to strand Rush in order to keep order on the ship. I loved it. Great show.

[gm_wil]

Yep, and I love the idea of that you started with all of young's friends saying he'd never kill a man. Then... at the end, he's left with the decision to strand Rush in order to keep order on the ship. I loved it. Great show.

Lying about it though - that's what will come back to kick him in the ass. He should have just said what Rush admitted, told them they fought, and he was left standing.

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[tokenuser]

Everyone needs an arch-nemesis (I am sure Eli could tell Young that).

I'll be waiting for the episode where Rush makes contact with Destiny, and (once they figure out how to activate the view screen) hail the ship.

I can see Young's face turned to the sky (is that possible on a spaceship?), shaking his raised fist, and bellowing at the top of his lungs ...

KAAAAHHHHHHNNNNNNN.

Then realising it was the wrong show, and that he isn't Kirk.

[geekdw]

Every single episode of Stargate SG-1 is now available to watch on Hulu!

http://www.hulu.com/stargate-sg-1

[gm_wil]

when do the new episodes start up again?

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[blacksymbiote]

when do the new episodes start up again?

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I'm pretty sure they don't start airing again until April. :(

[gm_wil]

I'm pretty sure they don't start airing again until April. :(

Awe man . . . thanks for the heads up because when I checked a month or two ago they mentioned January . . . oh well.

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[satori]

hopefully they'll of figured out that we're not going to be happy with a BSG style slow as molasses story line that they seem to be comfortable giving us. I'm not willing to give up on the show yet, but if they keep btich slapping me every episode then I'm likely to leave May-ish.

[tokenuser]

I'm pretty sure they don't start airing again until April. :(April 2.

[forbizzle]

This last episode brought up what I feel is the weakest part of the show. Why are they forcing this civiilians vs military conflict? In Battlestar it was understandable, as the escape mission lead to the military assuming control, and then the members of the fleet finally questioning how long that authority should stand? But in SGU, there is no reason why these people should feel like they've got a reason to take command.

All the civilians on that ship, were presumably part of a top secret military operation involving the Stargates. I haven't been a huge fan of the previous Stargate series, but from what I remember it was very clearly controlled by the military. Are the people that are likely to have been given clearance the type to immediately buck at military control?

Rush I understand, he's an eccentric character with his own motivations and they've explained why he wants to control things. But other than Eli and Chloe are the only other civilians that wouldn't have been completely indoctrinated with their role on a military operation. Sure there's the one dude who got shot because he tried to strand (and essentially murder) people on a planet by taking the control device. But that guy didn't have any initial reason to do something like that anyways.

Battlestar had something interesting to say, and it's conflict was layered in metaphor, but I just don't feel the writers on this show have given enough motivation for the behavior of the civilians. I could possibly understand if they were in this situation after a long string of events in the show, but they've been acting out since the first episode and it just feels forced.

[masherscf]

I've never wanted to strangle Ming-Na more. FWIW, It's more like "Lost" than BSG in most respects. The new aliens are proxy "others." But, you're right. These people should be used to being employees of the Military. Military authority in the situation should be a no-brainer. The assertion that Military power deferring to civilian authority is the most natural state is utter nonsense. In most places on this planet and at most times in Human history, authority springs directly from military power. Just because a leader in charge doesn't where a uniform and doesn't have a military rank doesn't mean he doesn't derive executive power through the the military. George Washington was the last U.S. president to march at the head of the U.S. Army while in office. However, "Commander-in-Chief" is a military position. Whoever is in charge of "Destiny" needs direct control of the Military personal. The most qualified person to do that is Young.

[blacksymbiote]

I got the same feeling during the show. I simply had no idea why the civilians hate the military personnel so much. Especially when all the main characters who are also military are generally friendly nice people who only want to do what's right and keep everybody safe. What's so bad about that? Are we supposed to think they're still pissed off that Greer was taken out of solitary and put back in active duty? We don't even know what he did to get put in there, and it seems like he should have proven himself to them by now. The writers aren't showing us any reason to believe this conflict.

[darknessgp]

I got the same feeling during the show. I simply had no idea why the civilians hate the military personnel so much. Especially when all the main characters who are also military are generally friendly nice people who only want to do what's right and keep everybody safe. What's so bad about that? Are we supposed to think they're still pissed off that Greer was taken out of solitary and put back in active duty? We don't even know what he did to get put in there, and it seems like he should have proven himself to them by now. The writers aren't showing us any reason to believe this conflict.

The only thing that made any sort of sense was them thinking that Young purposely got rid of Rush and that it's not an "anti-military" thing but rather an "anti-Young" thing... but even then, trying to commandeer Destiny seems like a complete overreaction and something I would expect as a plan D once A, B, and C had failed. This was augmented by the statement from the Asian lady at the end when she said to Young "I guess we need to learn to work together" NO SHIT! Why didn't you try to do that before? Honestly, I think her and Rush are the only two with real issues with Young (aka "Military"). Young left Rush to die, and Asian chick is just power hungry? idk, maybe she thinks Young is homophobic... it all just seems odd to me why she doesn't like him.

Oh and don't even get me started on the civilians that started this attempt at a coup and their naiveness. They seriously thought that Young would just give up? That they wouldn't try to take back over and that they wouldn't do it by force?

[rdpillz]

The civilians vs. the military situation is kind of forced, but other than that, i like how the show is going. What it feels like to me is that they are a colony more so than an military operation. I kind of like that premise.

This iteration of stargate is not like SG-1 or Atlantis and i think that is a good thing. If they did the same thing over and over again they would just be milking a cash cow. I like that they took a different direction with Universe.

The show is alittle too dramatised but i don't fault it for being a drama. I like the characters and i enjoy their interactions. My only problem with it is that they haven't answered some of the questions raised so far, ie: why was Greer imprisoned and why does it matter. It is a little like Lost, but i like Lost, just not every aspect of it. That and the IOA bitch, i never did like the IOA premise.
Edit: Also, the episode from the future, i did not like that episode. They made reference to it in last weeks episode, gave me a "oh, thats why they did that' feeling, but i still don't like that episode and i think they could of handled it better.

[forbizzle]

I thought they explained the Greer thing, didn't he punch Lou Diamond Phillips out?

[darknessgp]

I thought they explained the Greer thing, didn't he punch Lou Diamond Phillips out?

no. Greer is the guy that they basically let out of the brig when the attack on the Icarus project started in the first episode. They have never explained why he was there. I think you are thinking of the episode where Young uses the stones and punches Phillips character after finding out that he's been spending time with Young's wife.

I'm really glad they haven't been taking the route of Earth politics effecting stuff on the ship. One of the things I HATED about Atlantis was when they'd do an episode where an IOA rep would show up, go "you're breaking protocol", take over operations, nearly kill everyone, and then have to break protocol to get it done right... and then half a season later repeat same episode story. IOA never learned anything. It was worse with Phillips' character and doing it for Universe.

[iccanui]

Getting better. They have some winning back to do. The first few episodes felt so BSG, i was so disapointed. Its obvious they were trying to emulate things that were successful in BSG. And the big boobs on that one chic made me kinda sick, like the level of the show took a dive or something, i dont know, like they were pandering to cromags and it was kinda insulting compared to the level of intellect and humor of SG-1 and even atlantis. But they are working back. This week daniel jackson will be on which im looking forward too.

Basically i feel like the show is scrambling to find its footing has had me worried, but i feel its getting on track now so im becoming hopeful and engaged in the last 2 or 3 episodes. Just dont treat us like tweens or something. If thats the crowd your trying to pull in for higher ratings, well your gonna loose the core of the franchise and the fickle tweeners will move on fast as they do by their nature and you will be left with nothing.

Anyway, thats what im feeling so far.

[gm_wil]

Yeah this last episode with "the planet" really took a couple big steps forward I think . . . until now, I've just been curious what happens, not necessarily caring to who . . . but that's starting to slowly change. Some HUGE character moments for a lot of the key players in this single episode.

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[rdpillz]

****spoilers in this post*****

i found the planet episode to be a little boring. Just another day in the universe. People on the planet are happy, play ball, people on ship are depressed and play cards.

The whole idea that the star and planet were created, and the obelisk thing (which actually did something, what did it do? who cares, 'whats her name' is pregnant lol), were interesting and felt like a setup to something happening, but nothing did. When i got 2/3rds through the episode i thought for sure that it was gonna be a 2 part episode, that it was gonna leave on a cliff hanger. It was just a tease of something potentially happening in the future.

[iccanui]

****spoilers in this post*****

i found the planet episode to be a little boring. Just another day in the universe. People on the planet are happy, play ball, people on ship are depressed and play cards.

The whole idea that the star and planet were created, and the obelisk thing (which actually did something, what did it do? who cares, 'whats her name' is pregnant lol), were interesting and felt like a setup to something happening, but nothing did. When i got 2/3rds through the episode i thought for sure that it was gonna be a 2 part episode, that it was gonna leave on a cliff hanger. It was just a tease of something potentially happening in the future.

I think the setup thing you said was right. But as far as it not paying off....

If there is one thing that is clear about this series is that its about the long term pay off. The first half of the season speaks volumes about the approach they are taking to this series. Im willing to bet that the aliens or whatever created the planet show up down the road. And i have read articles where the writers have talked about " stick with us, the aliens are coming " and stuff of that nature. Was on gateworld a while back. Honestly, i was thinking along the lines of the wraith or the gou'ald or something, but this looks pretty interesting. A race of aliens that create planets and exist on on the same level as the creator of the universe ? Thats bigger philosophically then the Egyptian gods of past that can be easily explained as a simple race of beings, slightly more advanced then us, this is a race of beings creating planets and stars. I find myself intrigued. With that guy who was sitting by the stream, i begin to sense a hint of LOST. Deep exploration of big ideas, which is what SG-1 was all about to me.

I have to admit, a show that pulls from SG-1/LOST/BSG might be interesting.

But then again, i always get a head of the shows i watch, so we will see if they live up.

[rdpillz]

the guy sitting by the stream kind of stood out to me too. When i first saw him he reminded me of 'Ethan' on lost. Ethan was the guy that kidnapped Clair while she was pregnant.
I kept expecting him to turn into an ancient or some other kind of supernatural being. Or maybe he was of the race that built the planet and was impersonating a member of the crew.
But as far as we can tell, he is just some religious guy. It was bad enough when they divided the crew between military and civilian, now they are dividing them by religion.

It didn't really sit right with me that the episode spanned a period of 1 month. A 2 part episode would of worked better for me. They could of elaborated more on the repair of the second shuttle, which was almost an afterthought. "this shuttle will never fly again", "oh, we can turn left", "now we can turn left and right, up and down"... (not exactly how it was, but close enough to illustrate how the shuttle scenes were few and brief)
Also, the issue between the people that wanted to stay and the people that wanted to leave. "we wanna stay", "no", "we wanna stay", "ok but only the civilians", "aaaawwww, now we can't stay".
That felt too brief to me, I think they could of fleshed out an entire episode just on this one issue.

[darknessgp]

the guy sitting by the stream kind of stood out to me too. When i first saw him he reminded me of 'Ethan' on lost. Ethan was the guy that kidnapped Clair while she was pregnant.
I kept expecting him to turn into an ancient or some other kind of supernatural being. Or maybe he was of the race that built the planet and was impersonating a member of the crew.
But as far as we can tell, he is just some religious guy. It was bad enough when they divided the crew between military and civilian, now they are dividing them by religion.

It didn't really sit right with me that the episode spanned a period of 1 month. A 2 part episode would of worked better for me. They could of elaborated more on the repair of the second shuttle, which was almost an afterthought. "this shuttle will never fly again", "oh, we can turn left", "now we can turn left and right, up and down"... (not exactly how it was, but close enough to illustrate how the shuttle scenes were few and brief)
Also, the issue between the people that wanted to stay and the people that wanted to leave. "we wanna stay", "no", "we wanna stay", "ok but only the civilians", "aaaawwww, now we can't stay".
That felt too brief to me, I think they could of fleshed out an entire episode just on this one issue.

yea, I think the episode could have worked better. Definitely the shuttle thing. I think some things were purposefully left out too. They never gave us any indication whether anyone stayed behind or not. All we know is the enlisted men, Chloe, and one other civilian came back. It never clearly showed whether any other civilians that wanted to stay actually came back or not. The closing scene with the mess hall, we see some that were on the planet, but we definitely don't see the religious guy.

The religious guy, IMO, seemed to be more a loner. He had a few people, but I don't think they so much believed him as much as not wanting to live the rest of their lives on Destiny. I strongly believe that they are not trying to split people based on beliefs.

[iccanui]

the guy sitting by the stream kind of stood out to me too. When i first saw him he reminded me of 'Ethan' on lost. Ethan was the guy that kidnapped Clair while she was pregnant.
I kept expecting him to turn into an ancient or some other kind of supernatural being. Or maybe he was of the race that built the planet and was impersonating a member of the crew.
But as far as we can tell, he is just some religious guy. It was bad enough when they divided the crew between military and civilian, now they are dividing them by religion.

You just blew my mind. That would be so rad if something along those lines happened.

But as far as division, i dont know if i would look at it that way. Maybe its more like representation. I mean this is who we all are as humans right ?




It didn't really sit right with me that the episode spanned a period of 1 month. A 2 part episode would of worked better for me. They could of elaborated more on the repair of the second shuttle, which was almost an afterthought. "this shuttle will never fly again", "oh, we can turn left", "now we can turn left and right, up and down"... (not exactly how it was, but close enough to illustrate how the shuttle scenes were few and brief)

Again great idea. With the drawn out nature of the first half of the series, i find myself wondering why they didnt. Seems like a missed oppertunity in many ways.


Also, the issue between the people that wanted to stay and the people that wanted to leave. "we wanna stay", "no", "we wanna stay", "ok but only the civilians", "aaaawwww, now we can't stay".
That felt too brief to me, I think they could of fleshed out an entire episode just on this one issue.

Agree again, but for the same reasons i stated above.


Well i just have to thank you for that post. I am even more hopeful now about the future of SGU. I mean they certainly arent afraid to explore, look at the Ori, we all know what that was about, the next logical step after the ancient gods of Egypt and Greece.

Ok ok, im hooked. Lol. Im just gonna shut up and enjoy the ride for a while.

Well that and pray they hire you sir. :)

[forbizzle]

Yeah I don't really agree, that show was slow enough for a single episode, stretching it out into two would have been pretty thin. In terms of the choice to stay or leave, what more was there to say? Everyone's motivation was clear, but it wasn't well thought out by the people impulsively wanting to stay. It was obvious the military was not going to be able to stay.

[rdpillz]

ya, poor choice of words on the division of religion. I should of said that i hope it doesn't become another thing to divide them. It reminds me of how religion was used on BSG. I wouldn't want to see a religious sect form on destiny, obsessed about the makers of the planet, that they will be the ones to get them home.

[areon]

anyone kept up with this in the past couple weeks?

[lavahot]

I'm a die-hard SG fan and I think the series is EXCELLENT. The last two episodes have revealed some great plot points that were set up last season and the show is definitely into it's rhythm. I urge ALL of you, especially Jeff, to give this show a second chance if you gave up on it early, it's no LOST, but it's as close as the SG crew is gonna get and it's pretty damn awesome.

[serenity]

I'm a die-hard SG fan and I think the series is EXCELLENT. The last two episodes have revealed some great plot points that were set up last season and the show is definitely into it's rhythm. I urge ALL of you, especially Jeff, to give this show a second chance if you gave up on it early, it's no LOST, but it's as close as the SG crew is gonna get and it's pretty damn awesome.

I agree, it's *much* better now than when it started. I didn't really like it at first but it's growing on me!

[gm_wil]

I didn't really like it at first but it's growing on me!

They make a powder for that.

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[quantumtheory]

By no means do I dislike the show, I think it's great. I just have 1 thing that bugs me...


***spoilers if you haven't been watching***




They go and set up these possible huge storyline arcs like rush getting left behind and then the 3 that were left behind after the ship went into FTL. Then they basically use an easy way out to get them back on the ship in one episode and it didn't really matter that it happened in the first place. Just seems like they are under some sort of constant time constraint on their seasons and can't do any in depth story telling and just solve problems in 1 episode.

I mean it's great we don't have to wait a whole season for something to happen or have a situation resolved, but there could be more depth in the episodes. Kind of like the Planet episode where they left some people behind. That could have been at least 2 episodes. And the situation with Eli, Chloe, and Scott could have at lasted for much longer.

It's not that a big of a deal since the storytelling is great... there could just be more, and the more could be so easy.

[darknessgp]

By no means do I dislike the show, I think it's great. I just have 1 thing that bugs me...


***spoilers if you haven't been watching***




They go and set up these possible huge storyline arcs like rush getting left behind and then the 3 that were left behind after the ship went into FTL. Then they basically use an easy way out to get them back on the ship in one episode and it didn't really matter that it happened in the first place. Just seems like they are under some sort of constant time constraint on their seasons and can't do any in depth story telling and just solve problems in 1 episode.

I mean it's great we don't have to wait a whole season for something to happen or have a situation resolved, but there could be more depth in the episodes. Kind of like the Planet episode where they left some people behind. That could have been at least 2 episodes. And the situation with Eli, Chloe, and Scott could have at lasted for much longer.

It's not that a big of a deal since the storytelling is great... there could just be more, and the more could be so easy.

I disagree that it is not a big deal. There was no pay off. like Eli and them, we basically get 2 episode setup to get what? oh, Destiny had a problem that caused it to stop, and now they can gate back. and when they do it's with very little fanfare and kind of felt like an afterthought. like they wrote this episode and then went "wait, we are using Eli, isn't he still stuck off the ship?"

[masherscf]

I disagree that it is not a big deal. There was no pay off. like Eli and them, we basically get 2 episode setup to get what? oh, Destiny had a problem that caused it to stop, and now they can gate back. and when they do it's with very little fanfare and kind of felt like an afterthought. like they wrote this episode and then went "wait, we are using Eli, isn't he still stuck off the ship?"

I think the word is anti-climactic.

[tokenuser]

Anti climactic is a good description.

The planet fall episode was kinda meh ... and moved the characters ahead.

Eli, Chloe, and Lt Scott (hmmm - civilians get known by first names - military by last) being stranded and trying to catchup was a great sequence that ultimately ended in disappointment (the gate was engaged). I loved that. Last minute rescues are cliched.

They should have been stuck on the dessert planet with the alien ship. With Eli and Scott, they could have gotten the ship up and running ... it could have been a real episode arc that lead to the season finale.

Now we just get a "hey, we were able to get the gate to connect".

I suspect that there is going to be more come out of it - involving "the aliens", but as it stands it was a let down.

Still enjoying the series. My wife thinks its a little slow though.

[rdpillz]

the feeling i get with some of the episodes is that they are trying to distract ya with the one hand while they surprise you with the other. They're just not very good at it.

[masherscf]

Still enjoying the series. My wife thinks its a little slow though.

BSG syndrome I think. They don't have the budget to produce every episode to the nines, so we get lots of chatty filler episodes.

[tokenuser]

BSG syndrome I think. They don't have the budget to produce every episode to the nines, so we get lots of chatty filler episodes.Something I can't understand though is that she enjoys V.

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying V as well, but I think SG:U is a far superior show. The folks at ABC responsible for V could also take a lesson from the SyFy production crews on the effective use of greenscreen sets (somewhat coincidentally, I had just tweeted about that same fact).

The SyFy shows greenscreen sets are immersive, but the ones on V (the shipboard scenes) are glaringly bad ... and I thought ABC had bigger budgets for this type of thing.

[masherscf]

Something I can't understand though is that she enjoys V.

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying V as well, but I think SG:U is a far superior show. The folks at ABC responsible for V could also take a lesson from the SyFy production crews on the effective use of greenscreen sets (somewhat coincidentally, I had just tweeted about that same fact).

The SyFy shows greenscreen sets are immersive, but the ones on V (the shipboard scenes) are glaringly bad ... and I thought ABC had bigger budgets for this type of thing.

I wasn't blown away by V. I think the opening Salvo of 4-shows was completely mis-handled and the green screen CGI looks like a fan-film. It's beginning to grow on us. However, it won't be renewed.

[dandandan]

Anyone else thinks that SGU feels more like a soap than a stargate series?
They hardly use the gate, which was, for me, always a big part of SG, comming to different worlds, seeing different settings etc.
It comes so short in SGU, imho.

[darknessgp]

Anyone else thinks that SGU feels more like a soap than a stargate series?
They hardly use the gate, which was, for me, always a big part of SG, comming to different worlds, seeing different settings etc.
It comes so short in SGU, imho.

like a soap? no. like Battlestar: Galactica, yes.

[dandandan]

Wasnt that a bit soapy? ;)

[darknessgp]

Wasnt that a bit soapy? ;)

true, it was. I just think it's a better comparison. IMO, it really feels like it's trying to be BSG. so far, I'm enjoying it, but who knows.

[forbizzle]

WHAT THE HELL?

Seriously, any writer that does 2 consecutive cliff-hangers should be shot. There's not nearly enough material between this episode and the previous one to justify splitting this arc in 3.

[masherscf]

WHAT THE HELL?

Seriously, any writer that does 2 consecutive cliff-hangers should be shot. There's not nearly enough material between this episode and the previous one to justify splitting this arc in 3.


Yep, I'm pretty disgusted.

[rdpillz]

the 2 consecutive cliff-hangers doesn't bother me, i'm just glad they haven't rushed it to conclusion.

[quantumtheory]

the 2 consecutive cliff-hangers doesn't bother me, i'm just glad they haven't rushed it to conclusion.

this.


*possible spoilers*


They could have ended it before the episode ended and made everything hunky dory and then present another mystery but then we would've been all, "well that was too easy blah blah blah". I like that they are spending more than 1 or 2 episodes on a problem. I'm reminded of the planet episode with that mysterious tower. Solved waaaay to quickly.

Right now there isn't much for them to storyize (is that a word? lol) They are figuring out the ship still. So they need some distractions on the side of that. The strange aliens chasing them is good. But they brought in an unanswered problem from the original Stargate. The Lucian alliance was still around causing problems. Now they may be dealt with since it seems that lady is the snake's head.


Side note. I eventually want to see the stones taken out somehow. It's nice to see O'neal, Carter, and Jackson every once in a while. But I think for it to be it's own show the stones need to be destroyed. Hopefully with LDP finally on board the ship that will happen and they can move on from having the old cast stick around so much.

[cucumberboy]

*SPOILERS*

Prediction: the solar flares will send them back in time or, revive the dead or do some crazy shit with inter-dimensional travel. Both SG-1 and Atlantis did it a few times.

[masherscf]

*SPOILERS*

Prediction: the solar flares will send them back in time or, revive the dead or do some crazy shit with inter-dimensional travel. Both SG-1 and Atlantis did it a few times.

The is SGU. Young and the crew will jump the enemies when the lights go out.

[rdpillz]

Prediction: Deus Ex Machina

[gm_wil]

just saw episode 2 . . . (watching the series online even though it's super dark and grainy) . . . and really got into it . . . really looking forward to part 3.




spoilers possible




hopes:

As soon as the lights go dim, the commander gives his men free reign to raise some hell. We go from complete darkness to seeing glimpses of the fight in brief strobes of muzzle flashes from wrestling soldiers and discharging weapons . . . the two outside are shown short of the hatch and we are supposed to think they are lost but they somehow find an over hang of hull or a shuttle to jump under/in to shield them from the flare . . . lou diamond phillips character looks to be dead cause they are leaving him on the floor after checking for a pulse, but I hope he's alive and they take him in the medical room with the female boss - and he wakes up before she does and we see a flashback of his brainwashing just before he pulls off a coupe de grace . . . the female doctor ends up losing the baby which will send the commander into a fit of rage and is denied the chance to kill the bad guy chic because lou already killed her . . . i hope the civilian leader got shot so she comes to her friggin senses and as she holds her wound, she tells the commander to handle it his way, she's done with talking . . . Rush gets control back in time to say they aren't going to survive any longer, there's nothing he can do . . . and just when everyone thinks they fought back for nothing and are about to be obliterated by the flares, the ship suddenly fires into FTL because we finally see where Eli ran off to in such a hurry = the chair.

fears:

Both the doctor and the baby live because she wakes up to see the guy she worked on healing her and he grins saying, "My turn to work on you," and puts a mask to her face and her eyes flutter closed just as she hears a baby wail . . . the commander and his crew are about to get killed and suddenly off camera we hear "stand down" and they turn to see lou diamond phillips leaning against the door, bleeding from his gunshot, and says he's to take over . . . Eli saves the two guys and they find the senator's daughter, Eli saves her by giving blood and she comes to, forgetting everything they said to one another and she makes out with Scott in front of him . . . Rush gets control of the ship again and jumps into FTL at the last second to save them . . . in the aftermath they are all sitting in the lounge bloodied and bruised while looking at the new baby and they ask what they will name her and they smile saying, "Well, since the ship has the name Destiny, we've decided on something else . . . Hope." *lame*

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[falen]

*SPOILERS*

Prediction: the solar flares will send them back in time or, revive the dead or do some crazy shit with inter-dimensional travel. Both SG-1 and Atlantis did it a few times.

I thought they were being assaulted by a Pulsar not solar flares...I don't know if that would have the same time distortion effect on gate travel.

[cucumberboy]

Well I expected them to in part two do just what you guys described (attack when the lights go out), but they didn't. Do they still have one left before the shields fail? I thought the one coming up will be the one that destroys the ship?

[gm_wil]

The next episode is available online if others were watching that way . . . for you watching on TV is it really that dark? I can't hardly see a thing watching it online.

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[quantumtheory]

Another great syfy show is back!




***spoilers***



So they solved the lucian alliance invasion thing which is good.

The one thing that bothers me so far is Rush. He finds the bridge of the ship and doesn't tell anyone. Why do they keep making him so topsy turvy. "oh we have a problem" *rush solves it his own way* "hey rush follow my orders next time" "okay sure captain" then he goes and does it his way again. When the hell is he going to follow orders and actually trusted by the rest of the crew. Maybe I'm just used to the original stargates where everyone got along great. Either way, it's almost tiring seeing him do what he does.

[wideawakewesley]

I ditched SG:U after three episodes. I like the direction they were taking the show, but the characters did nothing for me.

If you were to sell the show to me now, what's the premise and the reason to watch?

[masherscf]

I ditched SG:U after three episodes. I like the direction they were taking the show, but the characters did nothing for me.

If you were to sell the show to me now, what's the premise and the reason to watch?

I'm not a good salesman. My wife and I watch the show. It doesn't have hooks.

[gm_wil]

I'm teetering on the edge of watching (I watch on the syfy recap site and it's so dark it's hard to see) so I'm not sure I can recommend it to someone who hasn't kept up with it because I'm not sure why I still do. None of the characters really interest me a whole lot and Rush is actually irritating (The character, not the actor) but since he's the only one who knows anything about the ship, I have to care a little. I'll give it a show or two more just to see if they get more answers about the ship. I think this would have been a really good mini-series.

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[quantumtheory]

I think the problem is there isn't the quirky friendship humor with anyone at all right now. Eli is really the only one there for any comedic relief and he hasn't really been that kind of person lately. The show is really serious, dark, and mysterious. Which doesn't appeal to most Stargate fans.

I love it a ton. But I also think Battlestar Galactica is the best show ever made, which is probably why I like SGU so much.

Honestly, I would stick with the show for at least another season or half season or whatever syfy calls what they do. If you still don't like it, you can just dump the show until someone else here who doesn't like it goes "OMG KEEP WATCHING SGU!"

[gm_wil]

Has there not been a new episode in awhile?

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[tokenuser]

Has there not been a new episode in awhile?

-??? New ep last night .. and is sitting on my DVR to watch tonight while other stuff is recording.

[masherscf]

??? New ep last night .. and is sitting on my DVR to watch tonight while other stuff is recording.

Yep, we're right in a cycle of new eps. They moved them to Tuesday.

[blacksymbiote]

Just caught up with the latest episode and evidently last week's episode that I must have missed. I'm really loving this show. I think It's headed in a great direction.

[gabrie11e]

People keep saying that the big reveal was what Eli discovered while Rush and Young were on the alien ship, but I was 100x more intrigued by the Dr Rush's reveal of Destiny's mission.
(God, *wink*, I hope writers don't dumb it down or turn it into schlock.)

Not sure why Eli felt the need to get Chloe's "blessing" about his relationship with the Lucian Alliance lady. Eli owes Chloe nothing in this arena.

[gm_wil]

they must not be updating the scyfy rewind cause there hasn't been a new episode in awhile . . . . awakening was the last one ive seen

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[cucumberboy]

they must not be updating the scyfy rewind cause there hasn't been a new episode in awhile . . . . awakening was the last one ive seen

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There have been 5 since... Pretty good ones might I add.

[famous1107]

Don't watch this weeks episode. What a buzz kill... I really hate this show but I keep watching because I don't know why. Every now and again you'll get a great moment. The scene with Eli and his mom, or the one where Eli gets with Ginn. Mostly though, the plot lines are either easy to guess, or more along the lines of setup up and blast you in the face with some deus ex machina. The god code in the background radiation is also something I'd defiantly like to know more about, but it's going to spin out of control with something that big. It will turn into the ancients, and the rest of the show will be describing why something can't happen in order to keep fans from saying "why don't they just use the thingy from the thingy to save the other thingy". Well they can't use that because it would be bad.

In a series like this the writers already used up most of their ideas within that universe and they struggle to come up with new ones. What I really want from this show is something that revolves about the discovery of new things. Finding problems that focus on human ingenuity to figure out. Maybe even sprinkle in some comedy, even if it has to be dark comedy.

[gm_wil]

They JUST added 204 Pathogen . . . is that the first of the 5 new ones?

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[blacksymbiote]

Just wanted to bring everyone's attention to the fact that Syfy just canceled SG:U. They'll finish airing the second half of this season, but then that's it. No third season. This sucks! :mad:

[gm_wil]

Just wanted to bring everyone's attention to the fact that Syfy just canceled SG:U. They'll finish airing the second half of this season, but then that's it. No third season. This sucks! :mad:

WHAT?!?!?!?!

It just got really good!

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[blacksymbiote]

WHAT?!?!?!?!

It just got really good!

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Yeah I know. I'm not a happy camper.

[masherscf]

Another Sci-fi show on the scrap heap of unrealized potential. RIP.

[quantumtheory]

I called this months ago when Caprica was canceled. I'm done with Syfy. I can't take it anymore. Any new show that they've came out with that I've really liked, they canceled. Who's to say if the new BSG prequel that's coming out doesn't get the same treatment.

[tokenuser]

Well, I guess it frees up some time for more wrestling.

[damnedeyez]

Well, I guess it frees up some time for more wrestling.

or Ghost Hunters.

[tokenuser]

Maybe they could make a show about selling off the sets and costumes from shows they have killed. They might be part of NBC, but perhaps they can team up with Fox.

[lavahot]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Why?! :`(

[cucumberboy]

While the show never sustained any level of greatness, the potential was definitely there. This is now one of the saddest cancellations of the year, along with Rubicon, Terriers, and Party Down.

[gm_wil]

All but the last two episodes are on Netflix Streaming . . . just watched the Epilogue . . . (The two remaining are listed as disc only but hopefully will become available later)

They really ended on a strong note with Epilogue . . . not sure what the last two are all about . . . it's too bad SGU has been silenced when it finally found its voice.

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[cucumberboy]

All but the last two episodes are on Netflix Streaming . . . just watched the Epilogue . . . (The two remaining are listed as disc only but hopefully will become available later)

They really ended on a strong note with Epilogue . . . not sure what the last two are all about . . . it's too bad SGU has been silenced when it finally found its voice.

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Agreed. The last few episodes had a more solid tone than the earlier ones (and unlike all other SG series). Excited to hear what you think of the last episode.

[gm_wil]

Agreed. The last few episodes had a more solid tone than the earlier ones (and unlike all other SG series). Excited to hear what you think of the last episode.

did they know they were being cancelled so they could prepare for the end or was it like Dark City and someone shouted, "Shut it down!" They could have ended the series with Epilogue . . .

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[hellhound]

I think they had 4 or 5 eps notice to prepare for a "wrap up". The ep w/ the "last chance to use the stones" was maybe the 2nd after learning of cancellation (already had most of the writing and filming schedule for an episode done). Then scrambled on how to move the storyline to where they could end the series but leave open for a tv (or direct to video) movie. Which they did.

IMO they spent too much time on "character recognition/development" in the 1st 4 or 5 eps instead of grabbing the casual viewer looking for sci-fi action/ass kickery.

W/ the ending.... allows for series to get picked back up (altho prolly after ratings are checked after a tv/dvd movie).

[cucumberboy]

Yeah the ending definitely has the feeling of a case where they knew that the show [i]might[/i) get cancelled; it's an open ending that could serve as a closer. You'll understand when you see it... But it wouldn't surprise me if SyFy ended the series with one of those straight-to-dvd films that SG-1 got. I am personally glad they focused on characters rather than action because the action in SG was never that good and it would have felt a little off if the completely changed gears.

This will probably be the last SG show though, right?

[ghelyar]

But it wouldn't surprise me if SyFy ended the series with one of those straight-to-dvd films that SG-1 got.

This will probably be the last SG show though, right?
They have already said they won't. In fact the straight-to-dvd SG-1 film they were already making (revolution) got cancelled because of this, and the Atlantis movie (extinction) won't be produced either. Producing these movies relies on a TV series bringing in the money. If you see any more stargate at all it will probably be a single last series of universe on a different network to finish the current arc.

It's a real shame that a collection of terrible decisions from SyFy killed this long standing series off.

[cucumberboy]

It's a real shame that a collection of terrible decisions from SyFy killed this long standing series off.

What are you referring to?

[ghelyar]

What are you referring to?

It is well known that most of the biggest causes of the series' cancellation were due to SyFy scheduling etc. Putting a 4 month gap in the middle of a series that isn't just single isolated episodes, moving its day and time about, cancelling the show it was paired with, etc.

At the time of cancellation (and probably now) all of SyFy's science fiction shows were plummeting in rating because of the same reasons, and the only show which was doing well was WWE, which is a really sad state of affairs for a science fiction channel to be in.

If you look at the ratings at the time that these decisions were made, you can see a significant decline every time they did something stupid.

While sg:u was probably not close enough to the original series' to keep a lot of viewers from them, it could have stood on its own merit (probably even without the sg in its name) if it was handled better.


I think they had 4 or 5 eps notice to prepare for a "wrap up". The ep w/ the "last chance to use the stones" was maybe the 2nd after learning of cancellation
They actually finished filming before they got officially cancelled. However, it was obvious from the ratings from the first half of season 2 when they were filming 2 or 3 episodes from the end of the second half that they were very likely to be cancelled, which is why these episodes seem like they could go either way.

IMO they spent too much time on "character recognition/development" in the 1st 4 or 5 eps instead of grabbing the casual viewer looking for sci-fi action/ass kickery.Agreed. It was several episodes in before there was even anything close to an antagonist.

[gm_wil]

Finally got to watch the final episode (Netflix Streaming now) and I really liked it . . . good closure if it ends, but it has a safety line if it doesn't. Each character got a sliver of time to remind us who they are and the systematic shut down of Destiny was done really well. I'm gonna miss this show, a lot more than I ever thought I would.

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