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Marvel recently released their April Previews and there is no issue of Captain America solicited. Issue #24 came out on 11.29.06 and #25 has been pushed to 3.07.07 – and now #26 can’t come out until at least May. So that makes two issues in five months (though Winter Kills kinda counts as one). Which, obviously, sucks.
But the absence of Cap in the April Previews perhaps begs a bigger question – does Civil War end with Cap back on ice?
Evidence: Joe Q and Millar have been dropping strong hints all along that #25 was going to be a big deal, worthy even of mainstream press attention; the title of that issue is “Death of the Dream” and it’s extra-sized (48pgs); we know there is a major death, because Marvel has solicited a Jeph Loeb mini that’ll deal with the 5 stages of dealing with the death that happens in CW #7 – now while issue 3 of that has been advertised as the Captain America issue, that could be a red herring, as even the “Fallen Son” title is listed as “not the real title.”
So do you think Marvel would really kill or (more likely, I’m thinking) re-freeze Cap? How miffed would you be if this ended Brubaker’s run? Or am I just crazy to begin with and this would never happen?
One look at my avatar will let you know how I would feel…
kwok_talk
01-19-2007, 06:35 PM
i would be dumbstruck if that actually happened, but there are some interesting theories that people posted in the new avengers thread (about him being ronin). i doubt its the end of captain america, but you never know... all of the speculation and theories are killing me, i can't wait to find out what really happens.
jonathanlondon
01-19-2007, 06:42 PM
Oh man. And Cap isn't in the character listings Newsarama put up for The New Avengers. Unless he's disguising himself as Ronin. But still... this could be the ending CW needs after issues 5 and 6 were just kinda whatever.
This is just a thing to get us talking. Marvel at one point recently delayed soliciting ASM past a certain issue(can't remember which and don't feel like looking) to get people to talk about whether Amazing was going to end. It's a red herring. They would have to be complete idiots to kill Cap
JAFlanagan
01-19-2007, 07:47 PM
They won't kill him off, however in the past, he's taken a "sabbatical" of sorts when he became disenchanted with his government, just as is happening now. The really sad part is, I can't see Brubaker continuing with exactly the kind of story he was doing before Civil War, and I see that as a real shame. But really, if anything, Cap should come out of Civil Was as a renewed figure, with a slightly difference role in the MU. He's not going anywhere though. But if he does, you better believe that it's to make a big deal of his return.
ConorKilpatrick
01-19-2007, 07:47 PM
They are not killing Cap. I think he's going to either go completely dark and stay and fight in the shadows or go to Canada or something.
He's definitely not dying, though.
Ibn al Xu'ffasch
01-19-2007, 08:46 PM
Yeah, it's doubtful that Marvel would outright kill Cap, but they may rig it so that the general public of the Marvel Universe thinks he's dead because of Civil War.
ConorKilpatrick
01-19-2007, 09:11 PM
A big clue, I think, is that Cap is still alive in the public eye in Thunderbolts #110, which seeme to take place after Civil War ends.
Luthor
01-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Food for thought:
http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/19/marc-silvestri-teases/
The really sad part is, I can't see Brubaker continuing with exactly the kind of story he was doing before Civil War, and I see that as a real shame.
I agree - and that's part of led me to some of my (admittedly thin) thinking: it's hard to imagine Cap in a "regular" place where he can deal with the big Red Skull & Other Big Bads plot that's been hatching. We talk a lot about whether these events can lead to better stories, and as much as I've been enjoying Brubaker's run, in the case of Cap (as opposed to Spidey, say), I'm skeptical whether that'll be the case.
A big clue, I think, is that Cap is still alive in the public eye in Thunderbolts #110, which seeme to take place after Civil War ends.
A Cap action figure is in that issue - but actually in the last panel of the page, he's lying defeated with the bad guys around him. Not sayin', just sayin'...but that could be evidence either way.
kwok_talk
01-20-2007, 12:44 AM
if it isnt cap dying, any bets on who's going die next civil war? ill randomly guess the sentry b/c he wouldnt be missed by most readers. (im glad he wasnt on the new avengers line up)
if it isnt cap dying, any bets on who's going die next civil war? ill randomly guess the sentry b/c he wouldnt be missed by most readers. (im glad he wasnt on the new avengers line up)
It won't be the Sentry. Paul Jenkins is writing Civil War The Return and he recently did an interview about it at Newsarama. In the interview, he said that the Marvel character that they are bringing back is from the time when The Sentry was a large player in the Marvel U and that a great deal of his storyline(at least initially) will intersect with and deal directly with The Sentry. It sounded like it would be someone that is known which is good. I was initially concerned that it would be someone with a past that everyone had forgotten along with The Sentry.
also The Sentry is in The Mighty Avengers
Ibn al Xu'ffasch
01-20-2007, 02:39 AM
Anyone catch this image today? Believe it or not, it's from Amazon's website (http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Man-Rogers-Daniel-Knauf/dp/0785122990/sr=1-138/qid=1169236269/ref=sr_1_138/102-8842526-0637726?ie=UTF8&s=books)
My guess is that it's Marvel trying to screw with our heads...
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0785122990.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V46364573_.jpg
I love Marvel but they piss me off for this exact reason. This is bullshit put out specifically to get people to talk. It will never happen.
MastaP
01-20-2007, 05:41 AM
I'm afraid they probably will do this, they've leaked everything about civil war so far, why not this. I'm just hoping it goes down better and differently than i think it will.
MastaP
01-20-2007, 05:44 AM
I prey it IS a prank though
Ibn al Xu'ffasch
01-20-2007, 05:53 AM
Real or not, its got me wanting to pick up the next Civil War.
In that reguard, I guess the pic has served its purpose.
Real or not, its got me wanting to pick up the next Civil War.
In that reguard, I guess the pic has served its purpose.
That's the thing - despite all the editorial and shipping issues, and all the other valid complaints that can be made about the series, I still find myself with child-like excitement for each issue. Some kind of consumer Stockholm syndrome. Or something like that.
Ibn al Xu'ffasch
01-20-2007, 06:29 PM
Same here.
Derek
01-21-2007, 01:16 AM
Real or not, its got me wanting to pick up the next Civil War.
In that reguard, I guess the pic has served its purpose.
Really? I feel pretty much the opposite. It's just more stupid hype that will more than likely fail to deliver. I'm with Fred on that one. Actually I'm with Fred on most things. God I hate the Marvel hype machine.
But I love the Marvel characters. Go figure.
Actually I'm with Fred on most things.
I'm honored. Strangely I don't think that I'm even with Fred on most things. But anyway...
The problem for me is that I, like most comic fans, have an active imagination. Also I, like most comic fans, can be a bit obsessive. A few months back Mike Wierengo, I believe, 'accidentally' posted the cover to Spider-man Reign #1 on his blog. The cover shows Peter Parker in a torn up Spidey costume clutching MJ's gravestone. I think I personally tried to break the internet in half. Holy shit, they're killing MJ; they're not ****ing around with this Civil War thing. I began to imagine PP living in a world where MJ had died and it was his fault. Then shortly after it came out that it was Reign and that it was out of continuity and I was pissed.
Then a bunch of minor ones happened.
But after that they press released the FF cover that showed BP, Storm, Johhny, and Ben as the new FF. I was really into this. Storm is awesome. I'm like the only guy with an internet connection that likes Black Panther but dammit I do. Johnny isn't a character I like but you can't win them all. The Thing is the man. Douchey Reed - nowhere to be found. Sweet
Was it 5 days later that they released the new FF team cover with Silver Surfer, Galactus, Ego, Rooster Guy, Johnny and Ben? I think it was. Now I'm not sure that I really care who's on the team anymore.
I'm not buying their hype without it making complete sense anymore. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself today.
Joe Q - stop toying with my emotions. I'm a delicate flower.
or not
kwok_talk
01-21-2007, 04:35 AM
I'm like the only guy with an internet connection that likes Black Panther but dammit I do.
you're not the only one. back when i was a kid just starting to read comics, i randomly to an immediate liking to the Black Panther. I cant recall the exact name of the comic, something like Marvel Adventures or something (the one where they'd give characters small miniseries)? I just remember a guy attacking him on an escalator and the black panther flipped him so that the attackers hand got caught and torn up at the bottom of the escalator. random, yes.
on the fake Amazon solicit for Iron Man Steve Rogers
Rich Johnston on LITG prints this
CIVIL WAR SPINDOCTORING
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/litg_rd.gifThe following is purely speculation and supposition so it's not actually a spoiler for "Civil War." Still, tread carefully.
Now, Marvel have a pattern of both intentionally and unintentionally spoiling the plot twists of this title, whether it's Spider-Man's unmasking, the identity of Daredevil or the post-CW role of Iron Man. Often once something leaks, Marvel have then had a habit of running interference, creating mock covers or mock leaks to obfuscate the original.
For the last week, the big supposition was that Captain America was going to kark it. With no Captain America issue solicited for April, and the fake title spinoffs "Fallen Son" quite easily becoming "Fallen Soldier" by the date of publication, a blood spattered shield on the cover of "Civil War: The Confession," the division centring on the Avengers team, and statements about the death of a much beloved character and how Captain America will have to be dealt with, it wasn't looking good for Steve Rogers.
Then suddenly, Amazon had a listing (http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Man-Rogers-Daniel-Knauf/dp/0785122990/sr=1-138/qid=1169236269/ref=sr_1_138/102-8842526-0637726?ie=UTF8&s=books) for an upcoming TPB by Iron Man regulars called "Iron Man: Steve Rogers," (suggesting that Steve Rogers survives and becomes Iron Man) featuring this oft-posted Marc Silvestri cover….
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/ironman_steverogers_silvestri_sm.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=litg/ironman_steverogers_silvestri.jpg)
…with aspects that have appeared in other artwork for "Civil War: The Initiative."
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/CW_Initiative_teaser_sm.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=litg/CW_Initiative_teaser.jpg)
… and signs of bad photoshopping. Yup, it's a fake on Marvel's part. And one that got taken down a few minutes after I emailed them about it (though the visual is still on Amazon as of print).
The timing does indicate that Marvel has engineered a diversion away from the original rumour, and it would fit their PR pattern. Certainly artwork from "Mighty Avengers" seems to show a post-CW Tony Stark in the Iron Man suit. But nothing post-CW for Steve Rogers or Captain America yet. Although odds are one of them will be the new Ronin.
Head spinning yet?
Of course, Mark Millar is on record stating that neither Iron Man nor Captain America will die. But he didn't say that Steve Rogers or Tony Stark wouldn't die did he? Ahhh.... And the ending of the series was formalised after a writers summit discussion with Joss Whedon - a man who has made a habit out of killing off lead characters in his TV series, "Buffy," "Angel" and "Firefly."
But Marvel also have a long history of hinting something very strongly and obviously before then pulling the rug from under the readers' feet.
So, looks they'll just kill Nick Fury again.
JurassicAlien
01-24-2007, 02:02 AM
I'd be very disappointed if the cap book falters, I've been loving it as of late and it'd be a dumb move on the part of Marvle.
Jimski
01-25-2007, 02:22 AM
Sometimes, my wife and I will watch a TV show known for cliffhangers. 24, say, or Lost. Jack Bauer will be in an inescapable situation, the bad guys have the bomb, they flip the switch... and the credits roll.
"Oh my God!" she will say. "What happens??"
"Well," I occasionally reply, "They flipped the switch, so I assume Jack Bauer dies. Guess this show's off the air now."
When I hear these Captain America rumors, the same part of my brain's sarcasm center fires uncontrollably. But what do I know? I never dreamed they'd kill Goliath.
See? There it goes again.
JAFlanagan
01-25-2007, 02:45 AM
"Oh my God!" she will say. "What happens??"
"Well," I occasionally reply, "They flipped the switch, so I assume Jack Bauer dies. Guess this show's off the air now."
I read this to my wife, just like I did when you posted the story about your wife and "next week" previews.
And she said, "sounds like he's a jerk like you."
And I said, "no, sounds like he's awesome like me."
from Monday night's How I Met Your Mother, Barney says: I have no shame. Where most people have a shame gland I just have a second awesome gland
Spiffy
01-25-2007, 06:18 AM
from Monday night's How I Met Your Mother, Barney says: I have no shame. Where most people have a shame gland I just have a second awesome gland
Thats a true story.
Jimski
01-25-2007, 06:52 AM
I read this to my wife, just like I did when you posted the story about your wife and "next week" previews.
And she said, "sounds like he's a jerk like you."
We really must get these two ladies together. Either they can vent together, or my wife can try to make a case for me not being a jerk. If she is so inclined.
Either way, Cap isn't going to die.