The next step to a police state.

[computoman]

The MPAA and RIAA are at it again by allegedly wanting to put software on your computer to know what you are doing. (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/16/riaa-mpaa-would-like-to-scan-your-hard-drive-for-infringing-content/) Adolph Hitler and the KGB would love them. This is an invasion of privacy and just pure lunacy. The MPAA and the RIAA should clean their own house first before judging anyone else. What a bunch of spoiled brats.

B O Y C O T T the M P A A and R I A A supported media.

[tokenuser]

Adolph Hitler and the KGB would love them.Jumping to the Hitler and KGB references gets old real fast.

How about updating and going for the "Brewer" reference??

What really irks me is people think they have a right to be here, everything given to them, and above the law. They need to learn a little humility. Actually it is a privilege to live here not a right. One thing my grandfather always instilled in us.

So, the MPAA and RIAA wanting to verify the legality of you using media is EVIL!!!, but Arizona asking people proof of residency is OK??

Neither are good situations to be in.

But, here is an interesting point. The MPAA and RIAA are private organisations wanting to dictate what is good for you and wanting to manage your consumption of electronic media. They are heavily lobbying the government to enact rulings to THEIR benefit, and not the benefit of the consumer.

"Corporations are evil" ... yes they are, we get it. Special interest groups should be banned ... unless they are controlling your health care.

You have an odd idea of what constitutes a police state.

[hellhound]

When I 1st saw this post I was thinking it was another Rootkit install.. but reading the article seems its a lame attempt to stop DL'ing for those that dont use a Peerguardian/blocklist while DLing.


tokenuser: Equating this to the new Arizona law.... where if U are being questioned for violation/investigation of a crime, that you might be asked if you are legally or illegally in the country... is a stretch.

I'm about as liberal as they come... my 2 best buddies are a Russian immigrant and a joint UK/Spain/USA resident... My beef is the whole: Filing for it, going thru the hoops, instead of jumping a fence thing (yes many dont jump a fence... but its the same idea).

Lets send back those that "jump the fence" and reward those that did the paperwork and waited, observed the laws and did things the right way (as difficult as they might be).

Cheers to them and Welcome!!!!

[tokenuser]

tokenuser: Equating this to the new Arizona law.... where if U are being questioned for violation/investigation of a crime, that you might be asked if you are legally or illegally in the country... is a stretch.
Yes. Its a stretch. It was used to illustrate how freaking stupid the immediate jump to Hitler and KGB was.

The Arizona law equates to a police state.
MPAA and RIAA wanting NetNanny type software installs to check for legality isn't.

They both suck. But only one of them equates to a police state.

[phatlip]

Lets send back those that "jump the fence" and reward those that did the paperwork and waited, observed the laws and did things the right way (as difficult as they might be).


It's not really possible to "send back" 20+ million people who "jumped the fence". It just isn't realistic. As much as I hate to say this, I think amnesty is the most realistic solution. Grant amnesty along with strict guidelines for them to follow.

[hellhound]

It's not really possible to "send back" 20+ million people who "jumped the fence". It just isn't realistic. As much as I hate to say this, I think amnesty is the most realistic solution. Grant amnesty along with strict guidelines for them to follow.

Of course ya cant deport 20 mil at one time or even 1 year. but I bet each state could find at least 20-25 a day (probably 50+ a day in the southwest). Put 50 at a time on a bus and could deport over a million a year. Its a start

[phatlip]

Of course ya cant deport 20 mil at one time or even 1 year. but I bet each state could find at least 20-25 a day (probably 50+ a day in the southwest). Put 50 at a time on a bus and could deport over a million a year. Its a start

How do you do so without replicating a scene reminiscent of the Nazi's collecting the jews? Not going to happen, for that reason alone. That and it still is hardly a realistic solution.

[tokenuser]

How do you do so without replicating a scene reminiscent of the Nazi's collecting the jews? Not going to happen, for that reason alone. That and it still is hardly a realistic solution.Part of the problem is that many illegal immigrants in Arizona have been there for a long time, and established roots in the community. Even more than that, many have children born in the US, and as such are US, not Mexican, citizens. Show me the politician with the balls to separate families with mass deportation. Not going to happen.

Can we get back to ridiculing the MPAA/RIAA comparison to a police state? I am waiting for them to deport people for failing to show DRM.

[hellhound]

Part of the problem is that many illegal immigrants in Arizona have been there for a long time, and established roots in the community. Even more than that, many have children born in the US, and as such are US, not Mexican, citizens. Show me the politician with the balls to separate families with mass deportation. Not going to happen.

Can we get back to ridiculing the MPAA/RIAA comparison to a police state? I am waiting for them to deport people for failing to show DRM.

Close that (cross the border b4 you give birth and then have it on the tax payers dime in the ER) looppole and send them all back.

Back to the DRM portion of the topic...
Since there was a time where some companies legally sold music w/o DRM I'm sorta getting alittle confused. Are they now saying that the DRM-free music you bought, say 2 years ago, is now "expired/suspect"? And that you somehow need to show an online "sales receipt" to some DRM-free "registry"?
I dont see how this can be enforced in the court system. Yes, some puter illiterate circuit court judge might fall for the propaganda, but it will easily lose on appeal.
Especially when the EFF and the "Fair Use" crowd teaches the judges that you can rip a CD that U've bought for use on your PC... and that doesnt mean that you've "pirated" the content.
Slippery slope that I'm doing... is that my PC that had a TV Tuner/Capture card fried its motherboard. I had it hooked up to my vcr and stereo and was digitizing the cassettes and VHS tapes I own... So now I'm D/Ling what I can find of the stuff I was going to convert.
I have some varied and eclectic tastes.
I am getting something I've already bought and forgoing the grief of rebuilding my "Capture PC".. Will I be held to the same standard of a "Pirate"... I hope not...
Yes... I do, at times, find "alternate/free" means to see a tv show or movie that I missed. But it seems almost like a cop thinking: He and his buddy split a bag of weed which means he's technically guilty of "Distribution" since he actually had to hand off a sack to another person, since we dont have enuff evidence for a conviction... why dont we charge him w/ this rape that he has no alibi for, and he'll do the same amount of time...
Maybe not rape... but its like substituting one offense for another because you know your case is full of holes and cant be proven... I hope peeps get what I mean w/ this loose analagy

[trunolimit]

DRM in general only hurts those who abide by the rules.

[trunolimit]

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?wsc=yq&wsi=82893b3bc22fb142&u=http%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/wolfire-programmer-poor-pc-ports-not-piracy-hurt-business.ars&ei=6jjkS9SaKoWawwX6lqC1Bg

Must read.

[makaiookami]

I don't pirate that much anymore. If I wanted to pirate movies I'd rip Netflix Rentals.

I get my anime through streaming. I watch most of my t.v. through streaming.

As soon as I get an android phone I can listen to enough good music using pandora apps.

I really don't have much use for pirating and perfer not to do it.

However fact is as I was finding more and more ways to cut down on pirating I was getting more cease and desist notices and now I have 2 strikes one of them from someone else wanting me to pirate a DS game because we had no way to demo it the other one was from One Piece 2 days before I found out I could stream it on Hulu and figured out where to get the funimation dubs.

As I cut down on pirating and find ways to get rid of the need to pirate further, they are cranking up the amount of deterrents and things like that.

All they are doing is making me want to support their media less and less. All their efforts though are wanting me to just copy my dvds and just start handing them out no cost. Be like "Here is the newest and hottest CDs, Enjoy"

I refuse to buy any Activision title only for the reasons that I do not like their practices, and I refuse to buy Final Fight on PSN due to it's DRM. The more I am locked out, the less I want to spend.

I tried to Pirate Heroes of Might and Magic V because I was having problems getting my copy of 3 to work, but then it came out for 5 dollars and I would have paid MUCH more if I knew that I would enjoy the game so much. I thought I only enjoyed it due to my past memories. I didn't know why that game would seem like it was any fun. But for some reason it's better than I imagined it could be. Next time it's on sale I'll gladly gift a couple times possibly if I have the money.

[computoman]

Piracy and Arizona have nothing to do with my point. That should not be in the equation. Putting software on my computer is equivalent of having someone come into my home uninvited and stand over my shoulder to watch. To me it is the equivalent of a illegal wiretap.Something that illegal governments do regularly It is also a violation in my mind of both the first and the third amendment in it;s own way.The mpaa and riaa by all appearances believe you are guilty till proven innocent. . Last I heard that is not the way it works.