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kevmann16
01-21-2007, 02:15 AM
At 19 years old Runaways was the first comic series I was there from the first issue and brought regularly, I was new to comics back then, and I still consider myself new to comics even though unbelievably I think its been four years, so I have a great affection for this book and I am worried about BKV (as he seems to call himself) leaving.
Since listening to Geekdrome and now iFanboy ever since Jon London's appearance I have been reading a lot more comics and learning about some great stories to get in TPB (I just order Absolute edition of Dark Knight which I've never read after watching the ifanboy video on here) but still believe runaways is up there with the best of them.
I guess the point of all this is I'm wondering if my affection for Runways is misplaced since its never been pick of the week and its not spoke about as much as other books in general online?
Also are other Runaways fans worried about Joss Wheldon taking over I know he wrote buffy which I never watched and I believe he wrote Astonishing X-men issues but I've not read them so not sure what to expect.
samureye
01-21-2007, 02:21 AM
I guess the point of all this is I'm wondering if my affection for Runways is misplaced since its never been pick of the week
Wha- Wha? Just because one person doesn'tl like something doesn't mean it's blacklisted in life. Opinion is opinion, disagreements happen. If you like it, then there's no question about it being good or not: if you like it then what more does it matter?
Runaways is a seriously good book. It's never iFanboy's POW because all of them read it in trade(or at least those that do read it).
I was worried initially about BKV's departure initially. I think if you google the terms BKV+Runaways+leaving+catastrophie I'd be at least 4 of the top 10 results. With time though, Joss Whedon is a writer whose work I've always enjoyed(BTVS, Firefly, Serenity, Astonishing X-Men) and who has the talent to write teenagers. This in itself is no easy task, but he's shown time and again that he can do it. So now I'm OK with it(like I have a say anyway). I don't think that it will be as excellent but still quite good.
kevmann16
01-21-2007, 02:39 AM
I know ifanboy not having it as POw doesn't mean its a bad book but they doesn't seem to be much buzz about the book anywhere, some good reviews here and there yes but to me its the best book out there, and I was thinking that it been my first series means I'm giving it more credit than its worth and wanted to see what others think of it on here.
As for Joss Wheldon being a great writer I think I remember on iFanboy or it may of been Geekdrome hearing that he's a really good character writer, is that true because I think the way BKV has made the characters so likable and relateable (sp?) is the main reason I like the book
JAFlanagan
01-21-2007, 03:03 AM
I know ifanboy not having it as POw doesn't mean its a bad book but they doesn't seem to be much buzz about the book anywhere,
Actually, it hasn't gotten a POW, at least since we've been doing the podcast, for no other reason than chance. Both Ron and I buy the monthly issues. I think he likes it well enough, and I like it pretty good, but it hasn't really blown me away since season 2 started. Most issues are pretty good, but they're rarely the best one of the week. It's a fault of the system. In that same way, we just don't ever seem to have much to say about it. I don't really know why that is. Conor reads it in trade, so he's not up with the monthly, either. A lot of Vaughan's books are that way, oddly. We all read Ex Machina, but we rarely have much to say on it other than, "hey, that was good." Sometimes when something is consistently good, over and over, it's pretty boring to discuss.
But as far as saying it has no buzz, I would say it's a very loved book among readers. You're definitely not alone.
look at me with the incorrect broad generalizations
kwok_talk
01-21-2007, 03:30 AM
yeah, i totally agree with the praise for this book. i just started reading the trades only a few months back and ive really enjoyed it. i think whedon should be a really great replacement for BKV, with his gifts for writing good interpersonal relationship stuff amongst team members.
(However, I hope that runaways wont just be like his handling of astonishing xmen. i know people really like this book and i think it is GOOD, but really only for the character interactions and dialog, whereas i think the storylines and bad guys arent really up to par. just my personal opinion...)
I just started reading Runaways in trades - digest vol. 3 is waiting on my stack to be read - and it's definitely very good, the characters and dialogue ring very true and don't feel derivative, which is something considering it's teens. I have no history with any Whedon outputs, but I guess based on reputation, I'm cautiously optimistic the series will continue to be good.
I expect it to still be good too. I expect though that it won't be as good because they are after bkv's first and foremost
mister s
01-22-2007, 04:24 PM
Love Runaways. Got the hardcovers for Xmas and tore through them. Now I'm going to catch back up with the floppies. I've really enjoyed Whedon's other comics, so I am assuming that Runaways will continue to be excellent.
Did you guys read the Civil War crossover? That's the book that got me started on it, and although it really had nothing to do with Civil War, it was really good.
ConorKilpatrick
01-22-2007, 04:26 PM
Did you guys read the Civil War crossover? That's the book that got me started on it, and although it really had nothing to do with Civil War, it was really good.
The Young Avengers/Runaways mini?
mister s
01-22-2007, 04:38 PM
Yeah, that's the one. I really enjoyed it. Just a good fun story - even though Vaughn didn't write it.
I love Runaways but I hated the CW mini. The story was eh. The art was atrocious. Chase does not look like that.
ConorKilpatrick
01-22-2007, 05:00 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Fred here. That mini-series was so bad that it caused me to break my cardinal rule about finishing out all mini-series that I start, no matter what the quality.
JurassicAlien
01-22-2007, 05:05 PM
I could be wrong isn't Whedon only going to be on for five issues? I'm just not that pumped for Whedon to come on...since it'll be for a small arc.
mister s
01-22-2007, 05:07 PM
Oh man... I thought is was just a good fun throw away story. Oh well. Got me started on the actual title.
JurassicAlien
01-22-2007, 05:12 PM
Well if it gets you started then there's no shame, if you enjoyed it, then that's good.
ConorKilpatrick
01-22-2007, 05:13 PM
Oh man... I thought is was just a good fun throw away story. Oh well. Got me started on the actual title.
Nothing wrong with liking it. It just wasn't for me. And Fred.
I have to say that Runaways was my least favorite BKV series in 2006. I liked it, but for me it went:
1. The Escapists
2. Y: The Last Man
3. Ex Machina
4. Dr. Strange
5. Runaways
Derek
01-22-2007, 05:32 PM
Nothing wrong with liking it. It just wasn't for me. And Fred.
Or me. I didn't think the characters were acting like themselves at all. Neither the Young Avengers nor Runaways. And I really disliked the art.
On the other hand, if it gets you reading Runaways then it has had a positive impact. You should also read Young Avengers. That is good too. Not as good as Runaways, but still quite good.
The art for me didn't work. A few weeks ago, for the new guys, I made a parody list called Young Guns Retarded after Marvel's Young Guns Reloaded. Stefano Caselli was one of my strongest in the list
it's just not for me or conor
full list for anyone that cares
Stefano Caselli,Yanick Paquette,Humberto Ramos,Pablo Raimondi,Mark Texeira and Chris Bachalo
kevmann16
01-23-2007, 08:55 AM
Or me. I didn't think the characters were acting like themselves at all.
I felt the same I was trying to keep up with CW at the time and was looking forward to a runaways cross-over but it wasn't good it signalled the start off my loss of interest in Civil War as a whole as well.
I've yet to lose interest in CW. I'm enjoying it. The deadline issues have really pissed me off(pick any thread on iFanboy from any random week where they announced a delay if you'd like to read more).
The blatant money grabs have pissed me off too. Oh were going to be late so were adding 3 issues of BP, an issue of Blade, 17 one shots, and a few issues of MK(that will never seem to get finished anyway). It's .... whatever I've still bought everyone
credibility assassinated
forgot why I started with the money grab thing
minis that don't really tie in
Civil War X-Men
Civil War Young Avengers/Runaways
it's my own fault for buying them but damn
ConorKilpatrick
01-23-2007, 04:37 PM
forgot why I started with the money grab thing
minis that don't really tie in
Civil War X-Men
Civil War Young Avengers/Runaways
it's my own fault for buying them but damn
Not to mention the two minis coming out tomorrow...
Not to mention the two minis coming out tomorrow...
there's Civil War the Return, which is a one shot, and MK #7, which is a tie-in
am I missing new minis? jesus i hope not
ConorKilpatrick
01-23-2007, 05:43 PM
there's Civil War the Return, which is a one shot, and MK #7, which is a tie-in
am I missing new minis? jesus i hope not
Silent War is a mini, no?
If not then clearly I need to stop posting before lunch.
Silent War is but it's not a CW tie-in
ConorKilpatrick
01-23-2007, 07:18 PM
Silent War is but it's not a CW tie-in
You're right - it's House of M.
God, I'll be glad when Civil War is over so I can drop soooo many Marvel books.
You're right - it's House of M.
God, I'll be glad when Civil War is over so I can drop soooo many Marvel books.
CW and the fact that this book will show the classic FF fighting the Inhumans is one of my issues with it. Because of CW the classic FF no longer exists
kwok_talk
03-30-2007, 01:50 AM
Never really thought I'd ever see the day where comics were considered required reading for school, but what a great honor for such a good series!
http://comics.ign.com/articles/776/776842p1.html
Mikegraham6
03-30-2007, 02:02 AM
Never really thought I'd ever see the day where comics were considered required reading for school, but what a great honor for such a good series!
http://comics.ign.com/articles/776/776842p1.html
not to take anything away from BKV or comics in general but i hardly think it should be "required reading". i do give comics a lot of credit and they are indeed litterature, but when there is a severe litteracy problem in North America maybe we should be exposing kids to deeper litterature, the classics, instead of replacing them with comics, no matter how good they are. I'd rather have my children read Lord of the Flies and read comics in their spare time (or even study comics academically in University, although even that can be a bit much, but at least its a conscious choice)
i'll probably get torn apart for this, but hey, someone has to play devil's advocate:rolleyes:
I could conceviably see some graphic novels being required or at least encouraged reading but I hardly think that Runaways deserves this honor. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great but it doesn't deserve that.
interview with Michael Ryan
(http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Runaways/ryan.html)
acomicbookgirl
04-04-2007, 03:16 AM
Aren't we all for promoting reading? I love it when a book gets this kind of press.. :)
Big Doze
04-04-2007, 05:09 AM
Aren't we all for promoting reading? I love it when a book gets this kind of press.. :)
Exactly. Comics aren't presented to students as a substitute for literature, but rather a gateway to help kids develop a genuine interest in reading. By exposing kids to reading material that they find interesting and relate to, teachers are proving to these skeptical kids that all learning need not be boring or even mandatory. I think it's fantastic to use comics in the classroom, and I can't think of a better book to hook high schoolers than Runaways.
Brilliant strategy (which more educational institutions should adopt) and the perfect book for the job. Kudos.
paper
04-04-2007, 10:19 AM
interview with Michael Ryan
(http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Runaways/ryan.html)
Guy doesn't inspire a great deal of confidence...
Guy doesn't inspire a great deal of confidence...
I almost titled the link Interview with Paper's Grandmother because I know how you love him so
paper
04-04-2007, 11:53 AM
You know, in fairness, maybe it's the coloring that bothers me most.
I'm not horrified by it. I was horrified by the art in the mini. I'm not shy about expressing it. The coloring is a bit off.
Don't get me wrong, it's not Alphona, but it's not Leifeld or Ramos either.
jerome
04-04-2007, 12:01 PM
The coloring definitely doesn't do it any favors.
paper
04-04-2007, 12:14 PM
Right. I agree. I think Conor described it as "uninspired," and I think that's a good word for it.
acomicbookgirl
04-04-2007, 12:14 PM
She's the same colorist on Spider Man Loves Mary Jane.. :) Kind of threw me off since her colors are very clean on Spider Man Loves Mary Jane... :confused:
ConorKilpatrick
04-04-2007, 02:15 PM
Humberto Ramos > Adrian Alphona > Michael Ryan
You > Bedbug > Crazy
or whatever colloquiloism applies
Labor_Days
04-04-2007, 03:34 PM
Ryan is at least competent. The artwork doesn't look especially exciting. Considering some the other crap artwork that gets a pass nowadays. All I ask is that none of the Runaways look like frog people in the end. Ramos, I'm looking in your direction.
Humberto Ramos > Adrian Alphona > Michael Ryan
This is crazy talk.
ConorKilpatrick
04-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Ryan is at least competent. The artwork doesn't look especially exciting. Considering some the other crap artwork that gets a pass nowadays. All I ask is that none of the Runaways look like frog people in the end. Ramos, I'm looking in your direction.
Ramos has personality and energy. I would talk about Michael Ryan but I wouZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
who's this Matthew Clarke fellow? He might indeed suck. We're talking about Michael Ryan ;)
ConorKilpatrick
04-04-2007, 03:42 PM
who's this Matthew Clarke fellow? He might indeed suck. We're talking about Michael Ryan ;)
Sorry, I got my equally boring artists mixed up.
I'm sure he's someone's favorite artist
Labor_Days
04-04-2007, 03:47 PM
Ramos has personality and energy. I would talk about Michael Ryan but I wouZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzStylization is one thing but Ramos takes it too far. Oversized feet, bug eyes, Rushmoore-sized chins, silly putty faces- yeesh. It's hard to recognize the characters he's drawing at times. Sometimes I have to ask myself, "Wait, Is that Rouge? Oh, she's got the white streak of hair. Whew.". Not that all comic art need be ultra-realistic but I find that overly cartoony, manga-esque style distracting.
so I was on this 'who is matthew clarke?' kick and I found this page he drew
http://www.theartistschoice.net/scans/mattclark/AOS-628-20.jpg
look at the top right panel - that chick is cock-eyed
nice
It's hard to recognize the characters he's drawing at times.
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/Jay.jpg
Sometimes I have to ask myself, "Wait, Is that Rouge? Oh, she's got the white streak of hair. Whew.".
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/blinky.gif
ConorKilpatrick
04-04-2007, 03:51 PM
so I was on this 'who is matthew clarke?' kick and I found this page he drew
Yeah, that's him. Servicable.
serviceable works for me, at least it isn't bad
jerome
04-04-2007, 03:54 PM
i really like that page. reminds me of Gen Ha.
ConorKilpatrick
04-04-2007, 03:56 PM
serviceable works for me, at least it isn't bad
You're just still bitter that you got slaughtered with that Ramos poll (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3633&highlight=Ramos). ;)
the tide is turning my friend
I think people are scared of polls
government mind control and tin foil hats and all
Labor_Days
04-04-2007, 04:19 PM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/Jay.jpg
Wolverine?
Labor_Days
04-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Just read Runaways #25. The ending is a total WTF? moment. The hell is going on here?
Wolverine?
indeed it is
true story, did ya hear this kevin, my skeleton's made of admantium.
AlexG
04-04-2007, 05:52 PM
The Jay Leno pic/ramos panel comparison kills me...
I don't mind the guys art, but I do admit his shortcommings.
Been reading Runaways digest trades (thank you marvel for a cheap alternative) and enjoying them, but I'm gonna jump ahead to the Whedon run because I want to be able to talk about it here...
The Screw on Aaron
04-04-2007, 09:06 PM
Been reading Runaways digest trades (thank you marvel for a cheap alternative) and enjoying them, but I'm gonna jump ahead to the Whedon run because I want to be able to talk about it here...
I think the last digest from BKV comes out this month so you should be able to catch up quickly, that's what I'm doing anyways there really pumping these things out and there so cool fit nicely inside my pocket:D
kwok_talk
04-04-2007, 09:10 PM
that's what I'm doing anyways there really pumping these things out and there so cool fit nicely inside my pocket:D
They still make JNCO shorts? Just joking, but you can seriously fit them in your pocket???
I like the small digest version too. Nice size contrast on the shelves compared to the normal and oversized trades.
I'm having a hard time getting a fix on this issue of Runaways
aaah innner conflict
The Screw on Aaron
04-04-2007, 09:41 PM
They still make JNCO shorts? Just joking, but you can seriously fit them in your pocket???
I like the small digest version too. Nice size contrast on the shelves compared to the normal and oversized trades.
You know what they say about people with big pockets, oh a… they have extremely big.. ah.. I pocket felt?
I can fit them in my inside jacket pocket so whenever I'm in the Metro instead of pulling out the comic from my backpack I just whip it out!
(To many suggesting jokes there?;) )
I think more comics should adopt this digest thing, like Y the last man or something that would be great in digest!
Mikegraham6
04-04-2007, 10:29 PM
Hey guys, i just bought the new issue of runaways, but my LCS was out of the recap issue that came out 2 weeks ago. i was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to PM me a brief recap (if possible, avoiding any non essential info since im going to pick up the trades eventually). i would go to the WIKI but i figure it will spoil stuff that might not need to be spoiled. i just want to be brought up to speed so that i can enjoy this new run.
i really appreciate the help and thanks in advance!
paper
04-04-2007, 11:03 PM
i just PMed you
If you still have access to that PM, would you mind sending it my way? I'm kinda curious what that recap synopsis would look like. Runaways: Fred Edition.
CammyKnoxville
04-04-2007, 11:19 PM
Loved the issue. Loved the fun dialouge from Molly; "She-Hulks boobs are sooo fake!"
If you still have access to that PM, would you mind sending it my way? I'm kinda curious what that recap synopsis would look like. Runaways: Fred Edition.
it's coming over now
Mikegraham6
04-10-2007, 02:11 AM
alright guys, so i finally read the newest issue of Runaways. Im a newbie to this series and its my understanding that they are children of supervillains who, upon finding out this information, ran away from their parents because they don't want to grow up to be evil like their parents. Knowing this, the new issue confused me, why the hell are they working/actively seeking out the kingpin if they dont want to be "bad guys"? did i miss something, or is this just as confusing to long time readers as well?
paper
04-10-2007, 02:15 AM
alright guys, so i finally read the newest issue of Runaways. Im a newbie to this series and its my understanding that they are children of supervillains who, upon finding out this information, ran away from their parents because they don't want to grow up to be evil like their parents. Knowing this, the new issue confused me, why the hell are they working/actively seeking out the kingpin if they dont want to be "bad guys"? did i miss something, or is this just as confusing to long time readers as well?
Read BKV's run. I know I should have given you this advice sooner.
Mikegraham6
04-10-2007, 02:16 AM
Read BKV's run. I know I should have given you this advice sooner.
I thought you hated the runaways paper, wasn't it you who told me to avoid it at all costs?:D
their work for the kingpin is confusing many longtime readers
I am one of them
kwok_talk
04-10-2007, 02:32 AM
I don't get it either.
paper
04-10-2007, 02:32 AM
Funny scene, but it doesn't make much sense to me either. Especially right out of the gate.
hmm, it's kind of not in keeping with who they are at all
paper
04-10-2007, 02:35 AM
It's almost as if a new writer just swooped in.
jerome
04-10-2007, 02:40 AM
I tried to make sense of it and this is the best I came up with:
The last Vaughan issue saw Iron Man plus some shield agents at their doorstep, presumably to force them to register and work for them Initiative style. They say **** that and hightail to New York for some protection. It matters very little that its from the Kingpin. Of course, that still doesn't explain why there hasn't been any previous mentioned connection with Wilson Fisk, but the whole thing doesn't really bother me that much anyway.
why not hide out in the eagle's nest with hitler?
ok, fisk isn't hitler but you get what i mean
they wouldn't do it
jerome
04-10-2007, 02:44 AM
except they did. ;)
paper
04-10-2007, 02:48 AM
I tried to make sense of it and this is the best I came up with:
The last Vaughan issue saw Iron Man plus some shield agents at their doorstep, presumably to force them to register and work for them Initiative style. They say **** that and hightail to New York for some protection. It matters very little that its from the Kingpin. Of course, that still doesn't explain why there hasn't been any previous mentioned connection with Wilson Fisk, but the whole thing doesn't really bother me that much anyway.
I didn't actually get to read that issue, but my guess is that Whedon really didn't feel like dealing with Iron Man or the Initiative (and all the continuity slush those things entail), but not wanting to totally half-ass it, came up with a plot point that kind of dealt with the registration issue and spun it off into what he really wanted to do, which apparently involves the Frank Castle.
which brings up another thing I wasn't so enthused about
paper
04-10-2007, 02:51 AM
I think the allure of writing a scene between Frank Castle and Molly was too hard to pass up. That's the whole story right there.
one(or two depending on who you are) word(s) for you:
FANFICTION
jerome
04-10-2007, 02:57 AM
He was a big Runaways fan. and it is in fact fiction.
But fanfiction implies that it was amateurish. in which case i think i read a different book than you guys.
paper
04-10-2007, 02:58 AM
Fan Fiction's where you'd find Molly/Snape.
Whedon loves throwing strange pairs together. And he really likes innocence and gruff. He especially likes taking the tough guys down a peg (Spike, Logan, Jayne). The things he'd do to Batman...
I liked it too, Jerome. But I agree with the others that the Fisk thing was a bit confusing.
I was joking. I called fan fiction because of paper's comment about the allure of writing a Punisher/Molly Hayes scene being too strong to resist.
jerome
04-10-2007, 03:02 AM
I was joking. I called fan fiction because of paper's comment about the allure of writing a Punisher/Molly Hayes scene being too strong to resist.
oh i didn't get that. i was totally just about to put on my 'joss whedon is my master now' t-shirt.
paper
04-10-2007, 03:03 AM
oh i didn't get that. i was totally just about to put on my 'joss whedon is my master now' t-shirt.
I was this close to buying one of those...
They still around?
it wasn't amateurish, I just don't believe he has the voices/motivations/understanding of the characters down yet. It's Whedon, I have faith that he will get it but will it be just in time for the next writer? Hopefully not.
I didn't even grade it in my reviews because I'm trying to cut him some slack and not be a screechy fanboy about it.
paper
04-10-2007, 03:11 AM
it wasn't amateurish, I just don't believe he has the voices/motivations/understanding of the characters down yet. It's Whedon, I have faith that he will get it but will it be just in time for the next writer? Hopefully not.
I didn't even grade it in my reviews because I'm trying to cut him some slack and not be a screechy fanboy about it.
But didn't you PM me that photo of you in a Nixon mask feeding your copy into a woodchipper?
oh yeah, forgot I did that
prove it was me though - that nixon mask comes in handy
The Screw on Aaron
07-28-2007, 12:47 PM
Terry Moore and Humberto Ramos takeover Runaways after Whedon! (http://comics.ign.com/articles/808/808693p1.html)
This is awesome I'm so excited! Terry Moore is a perfect fit for the dramatic and character driven Runways.
Ramos on the other hand I'm not too sure about. While I like his work I just don't feel that Runaways is the kind of book for him, I mean just look at the Molly in this teaser by Ramos it's hideous! The head is way too big for the body in the eyes are bulging and bug like, he does do a pretty good Nico though… I guess I'll hold my final judgment until the issues start coming out.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u220/Aaron33_photo/runaways-20070727085636346.jpg
What are your thoughts on the new creative team?
The New Runaways Team Is…
disgusting to me
paper
07-28-2007, 01:14 PM
Depending on the quality of Whedon's arc (still up in the air) I may have to pretend that the series ended when BKV put his pencil down and turned in the last of his scripts.
The Screw on Aaron
07-28-2007, 01:15 PM
Not a Moore fan Fred?
Not a Moore fan Fred?
I love Terry Moore. Ramos sickens me.
http://www.newsarama.com/Comic-Con_07/Marvel/Joe/Runaways-by-Ramos_t.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/rogue.gif
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/blinky.gif
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/wolvieJay.gif
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/Jay.jpg
Must I continue?
The Screw on Aaron
07-28-2007, 01:53 PM
I see what you mean. he is a bit hit or miss with me personally, Sometimes his stuff is okay and other times it's just downright awful. I'm one of those people that can handle reading a book solely on good writing with poor art, can't do it the other way around though but that's just me.
kwok_talk
07-28-2007, 01:59 PM
Depending on the quality of Whedon's arc (still up in the air) I may have to pretend that the series ended when BKV put his pencil down and turned in the last of his scripts.
You are a speaker of truth.
I'm honestly upset about it because I love Runaways so much. The announcement of Moore as the new writer is awesome. Ramos totally ruins it though. I'm contemplating dropping it.
I can take good writing with bad art. Hell - I read Countdown don't I? I can't take good writing with spectacularly horrifying art though. It's so tough to do.
The fact that it's Runaways will make it harder to swallow. Look at Molly Hayes in the preview art - she looks like an alien crack baby. Disgusting.
I'm disgusted.
I don't know. Maybe this was bound to happen. Maybe Runaways is a book that resonates with younger readers and Marvel is using Ramos to draw in Manga-reading teens. This could be a good thing for Marvel. It's a horrible thing for me though as I believe that it means that this book is no longer for me.
kwok_talk
07-28-2007, 02:14 PM
I find it funny that the poof balls on side of Molly's hat are the same size as her eyes.
paper
07-28-2007, 02:18 PM
Do these two even fit together? Even if you like Ramos, would you match him up with Moore?
Do these two even fit together? Even if you like Ramos, would you match him up with Moore?
no. not ever
mister s
07-28-2007, 03:53 PM
SHould be awesome. Moore is a good fit (better than Joss, for sure) and I think I am the only one who likes Ramos. Looks like I win.
kahunablair
07-28-2007, 04:36 PM
As with most things when it comes to art, I'm going to have to disagree with Fred. I'm excited to see what comes out of this team.
JGG0610
07-28-2007, 04:37 PM
This just seems like the oddest combination ever. Moore is a fantastic writer, but come on, does the world really need more Ramos (or Bachalo for that matter)?
kahunablair
07-28-2007, 04:44 PM
I just realized, that Ramos already did a really good "young kids thrust into dangerous situation" story. It was called Out There. It's a fun little read.
He actually draws kids as kids and not as 30 year old women.
JGG0610
07-28-2007, 04:45 PM
He draws kids that look like they're all off spring of Jay Leno with ridiculously sized feet.
Labor_Days
07-28-2007, 05:28 PM
Woke this morning and felt a bit of emptiness inside me. Couldn't really say why though. Then I saw this thread and realized I didn't imagine the news that Ramos will be destroying the Runaways. Not even the news that Moore has expressed interest in writing/drawing Supergirl can cheer me up. Well, maybe just a little. Still, Ramos. How unfortunate for me.
how unfortunate for us
I'm right there with you
Humphrey Lee
07-28-2007, 06:21 PM
I dropped X-MEN after 200 issues and since having bought it since I was freaking 12 years old due to Ramos art, you have no idea how much this saddens me. But goddammit I can't really argue with Terry Moore, and as bad as an art job is, I still typically won't let it ruin a good story for me. This is gonna take some getting used to.
ConorKilpatrick
07-28-2007, 06:39 PM
This is the best news to come out of the Con, so far!
Labor_Days
07-28-2007, 06:57 PM
Oh, you just like being controversial. ;-)
kahunablair
07-28-2007, 06:59 PM
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/9/7/28/f_therunawaysm_b6fa864.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/7/28/f_therunawaysm_b6fa864.jpg&srv=img01)
seNoj1
07-28-2007, 07:04 PM
I probably hate Mange more than anything but love Ramos' art. I don't think its terrible at all but it quite good. Not the best but good. This will be good i think. But i haven't read Whedon's Runaways so not sure how Runaways is without BKV.
Labor_Days
07-28-2007, 07:05 PM
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/9/7/28/f_therunawaysm_b6fa864.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/7/28/f_therunawaysm_b6fa864.jpg&srv=img01)
Ach! My eyes! Ze goggles, zey do nothing (http://radioactiveweakness.ytmnd.com/)!
esophagus
07-28-2007, 07:21 PM
Depending on the quality of Whedon's arc (still up in the air) I may have to pretend that the series ended when BKV put his pencil down and turned in the last of his scripts.That's pretty much what I'm doing. Ramos is an awful fit for the title.
Jimski
07-28-2007, 07:29 PM
Is Newsarama having a sale on Haterade?
JGG0610
07-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Is Newsarama having a sale on Haterade?
Is it really Haterade when it's justified?:D
kahunablair
07-28-2007, 11:09 PM
Is it really Haterade when it's justified?:D
Nah, just when it's on a topic that's a matter of taste.;)
I really don't mind Ramos' STYLE perse, it's his storytelling. So often I can't decipher what's going on, cause it's a cluttered mess.
kahunablair
07-28-2007, 11:27 PM
or a lack thereof? ;)
That right there is why I love this forum. We all can get in little jabs at each other and it doesn't turn ugly.
You guys are good peoples.
tetsujin
07-28-2007, 11:59 PM
You know say what you will about Ramos. I'm not a huge fan of him either, but the only thing consistent in the art during the Whedon arc is my level of underwhelment. I'm willing to give Ramos a chance over who's ever drawing it now, but that's just me.
MastaP
07-29-2007, 12:14 AM
I know I'm tangenting here, but Tetsujin, isn't the parralex Virus named Despotellus, which, by the way is one of the coolest names in comics in decades
tetsujin
07-29-2007, 12:23 AM
I know I'm tangenting here, but Tetsujin, isn't the parralex Virus named Despotellus, which, by the way is one of the coolest names in comics in decades
and it will also be the name of my son....
JurassicAlien
07-29-2007, 03:45 AM
I love Ramos' art, I don't care who knows it, I will consider picking up a book if he's on it. (I only wish he'd go back to Wolverine when Guggenhiem goes back)
ConorKilpatrick
01-10-2008, 10:09 PM
http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/runaways-ramos.jpg
This'll get tongues a'waggin'.
psu18660
01-10-2008, 10:11 PM
I love Ramos' art, I don't care who knows it
Say it loud say it proud.
kwok_talk
01-10-2008, 10:16 PM
This'll get tongues a'waggin'.
Uh...wow. I sooooo miss Alphona & Strain on the book. If the stories are good, I'll stick by it (I can be ok with Ramos).
Labor_Days
01-10-2008, 10:25 PM
I wish the English language could convey in words the sensation of bile coming from one's gut to choke them in acidic disgust.
How you've failed me, language.
I wish I was dead after seeing that.
edit: this post is full of hysteria and hyperbole.
GungaDin
01-10-2008, 10:42 PM
http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/runaways-ramos.jpg
This'll get tongues a'waggin'.
My first reaction was: Sw33t... But then I looked and except for MAYBE Karolina, they all look incredibly different from the original designs... Why can't we have the stuff he did for "Saga?" That was good!
Six Gun
01-10-2008, 10:43 PM
Nico looks a bit slutty
Labor_Days
01-10-2008, 10:51 PM
Can someone please photoshop the names of who is who above the characters heads?
So that I may be properly outraged and disgusted. I don't understand what Jay Leno, elves and Crackle from the Rice Krispies box are doing in the Runaways.
Sincerely, Labor
GungaDin
01-10-2008, 11:02 PM
Nico looks a bit slutty
My complaint about it is her hair looks too short... The design reminds me of some of the Skottie Young work on New X-Men. Not that that's a bad thing (it's not... I really like Skottie's art...) but I'm not excited for Young on Runaways... I wants me some Ramos....
ConorKilpatrick
01-10-2008, 11:05 PM
My complaint about it is her hair looks too short... The design reminds me of some of the Skottie Young work on New X-Men. Not that that's a bad thing (it's not... I really like Skottie's art...) but I'm not excited for Young on Runaways... I wants me some Ramos....
That is Ramos....
GungaDin
01-10-2008, 11:07 PM
That is Ramos....
I know it is... But there's bits of those pictures that don't feel like Ramos... Like Karolina and Xavin and Victor and perhaps Chase look like Ramos... Molly's ish to Ramos, but Nico doesn't feel like Ramos at all...
esophagus
01-10-2008, 11:08 PM
I wants me some Ramos....
Well you won't when you realize who drew that picture.
Actually, I don't hate it. It's quality, it's just not what I'd like to see. They really amped out the teenage stereotypes in these kids, and that kind of bugs me. Won't stop me from buying it, but I won't love the art quite like I used to.
Six Gun
01-10-2008, 11:11 PM
I like the "I fought in the Civil War" shirt
Labor_Days
01-10-2008, 11:15 PM
More like, "I fought in the worst crossover of Civil War". AmIrite? :D
GungaDin
01-10-2008, 11:22 PM
More like, "I fought in the worst crossover of Civil War". AmIrite? :D
I liked the crossover... Didn't see why they tied it in... That was pointless...
GungaDin
01-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Actually, I don't hate it. It's quality, it's just not what I'd like to see. They really amped out the teenage stereotypes in these kids, and that kind of bugs me.
Well Runaways (like Dynamo5 after it) is based on stereotypes for the characters... But it's also about breaking down those stereotypes...
Diabhol
01-11-2008, 12:30 AM
This'll get tongues a'waggin'.
Oh, the indignity I'm willing to suffer through for Terry Moore writing some really awesome characters.
Freakin' Ramos...
Idave
01-11-2008, 01:16 AM
Noooooo! When is the next issue coming out anyway? Its been quite a few months. . . .I dont like this. . . the art in season 1 was just fine. . although i really do like chase's new design. It's much more jockish. Nico looks weird. Xavin is a shapeshifter so it doesn't matter. Vic looks weird. Molly looks ok.
esophagus
01-11-2008, 03:49 AM
Well Runaways (like Dynamo5 after it) is based on stereotypes for the characters... But it's also about breaking down those stereotypes...I kind of disagree. I see how there was stereotyping behind the characters, but no more than you'll find in most comics. For the most part, they tried to break them down as individuals. This looks like Ramos sat down and said "Well Chase is, obviously, the jock type of the group. Victor's 'hip'" etc, etc. Kind of irks me.
GungaDin
01-11-2008, 04:15 AM
I kind of disagree. I see how there was stereotyping behind the characters, but no more than you'll find in most comics. For the most part, they tried to break them down as individuals. This looks like Ramos sat down and said "Well Chase is, obviously, the jock type of the group. Victor's 'hip'" etc, etc. Kind of irks me.
I get that... We'll see... It's just a sketch thing though... And Alphona's art got INCREDIBLY better after issue six when he really got the characters... So... yeah... We'll see...
esophagus
01-11-2008, 04:18 AM
I expect to get used to it. Don't expect to start liking it.
But, maybe we'll just chalk that up to the terrible mood I'm in, and we'll have this conversation again when the issue hits the stands.
GungaDin
01-11-2008, 04:22 AM
I expect to get used to it. Don't expect to start liking it.
But, maybe we'll just chalk that up to the terrible mood I'm in, and we'll have this conversation again when the issue hits the stands.
Which should be about six months...
esophagus
01-11-2008, 04:23 AM
Which should be about six months...
DON'T FUEL THE FIRE! :mad:
Haha, but seriously, this book needs to come out more. I love it.
GungaDin
01-11-2008, 04:28 AM
DON'T FUEL THE FIRE! :mad:
Haha, but seriously, this book needs to come out more. I love it.
They say that the next issue should be out late next month and the final issue of the arc should be out late March...
Here's to hoping...
HudsonPhillips
01-11-2008, 07:29 PM
I love the artwork. I love it for being different. And I love it for distinguishing the characters more. I think that's something the book needs.
Since Gert died, it's as if all the female characters have the same build (not much has changed) but you can see slight differences... and the same thing goes for the guys. I'm glad they all look different now.
My only gripe is that it looks like he de-aged Molly 4 or 5 years... Shouldn't she be pushing 13? She looks about 6 years old here. But it works. It looks fun. I'm really looking forward to this arc.
paper
01-12-2008, 02:11 AM
Ohmygod ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!
Nico! What have they done to you!?!? What the fuck is she wearing?!
kahunablair
01-12-2008, 02:37 AM
Well since I'm one of the fans of Ramos, I feel like a broken record about it. I like it quite a bit.
Whether you like his "cartoony" style or not, the guy draws kids like kids.
Paper, I wouldn't worry about Nico's fashion. If you look at Ramos' designs and sketches of her, she's normally fully clothed.
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1940/29438-nico-minoru_400.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_SNIYNHnalqQ/RdCXokfhvwI/AAAAAAAAACE/LAd9OuxQAR4/s1600-h/grimm.jpg
CommonMike
01-12-2008, 05:22 AM
Bring back Brian K. Vaughn, this series just went downhill after he left. The only redeeming quality is Jo Chen's cover art. Haha, just kidding.
But seriously, I haven't read any Runaways after Vaughn left. Is the series still worth picking up??
itsbecca
01-12-2008, 05:32 AM
Bring back Brian K. Vaughn, this series just went downhill after he left. The only redeeming quality is Jo Chen's cover art. Haha, just kidding.
But seriously, I haven't read any Runaways after Vaughn left. Is the series still worth picking up??
Funnily enough I picked up the Whedon arc first. I didn't get Runaways originally, because I don't like kids and I genearlly dislike team books. I loved it and he's gotten me to pick up the more of it, so kudos to him for that.
CommonMike
01-12-2008, 05:36 AM
Hmm, I was a bit turned off by the manga-like compilation of the second arc, is there another trade that's a bit bigger?
ConorKilpatrick
01-12-2008, 05:39 AM
Hmm, I was a bit turned off by the manga-like compilation of the second arc, is there another trade that's a bit bigger?
Aren't all the trades digest sized? All the ones I have are.
GungaDin
01-12-2008, 05:42 AM
Hmm, I was a bit turned off by the manga-like compilation of the second arc, is there another trade that's a bit bigger?
Runaways also comes in hardcover volumes... (http://www.amazon.com/Runaways-Vol-1-Brian-Vaughan/dp/0785118764/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200120099&sr=8-1) Three of them thus far...
CommonMike
01-12-2008, 05:44 AM
Aren't all the trades digest sized? All the ones I have are.
Whoops, I meant Volume 7. It's smaller than a regular trade.
xyzzy
01-12-2008, 12:21 PM
Whoops, I meant Volume 7. It's smaller than a regular trade.
Runaways has always been collected as digests, followed by an oversize HC.