Vista is not recommended

[mic]

Speaking as a current Windows XP user, sometimes I wonder if Alex really understands the negative repercussions when he speaks so glowingly of Vista. When he fawns over Vista I get the impression of someone very ill-informed of what Vista represents to consumers and open source users.

While Vista might be more secure out of the box than XP, XP has many advantages over Vista and anyone that can't secure XP really shouldn't be using any Microsoft products.

There is more to an Operating System then perty colors and moving the Desktop into the ALT-TAB. ;)

My hope is that Vista turns out to be the equivalent of WinME 2007. The unfortunate reality is it probably won't be a dud.

My next computer will be from Apple or built around Linux, as I will not support the direction Microsoft has chosen to take in releasing such a restricted partisan Operating System. I would rather I couldn't purchase a game or application for the new platform, then have a Vista hiccup nightmare.

Alex, I'm sorry if I offend you or for that matter anyone else in this forum, I'm just speaking my opinion on this issue.

Have a nice day.

P.S. Is there anyway to change the font color on this forum? The default dark on dark is hard to read.

[magunwarrior]

I don't think he really cares about that to be honest. If he likes the functions that's his opinion. If he likes it he'll use the god damn thing.

[takeda]

Yeah, Alex was always a Windows guy, so it don't surprise me.


What worries me is Kevin. I don't know if you noticed but he seem to change a lot. I feel that they are getting paid for much more than just showing the picture of Zune on the beginning and end of the show.

C'mon X-Box 360, Zune now Vista, next thing we'll see Kevin with IE t-shirt.

I know it's their choice and they can do whatever they want to since it's their show.

But Kevin is loosing credibility in my eyes...


Don't get me wrong I still like the show, I'm just a bit surprised the change.

[tokenuser]

Speaking as a current Windows XP user, sometimes I wonder if Alex really understands the negative repercussions when he speaks so glowingly of Vista. When he fawns over Vista I get the impression of someone very ill-informed of what Vista represents to consumers and open source users.Alex is using Vista on a Vista capable laptop/tablet machine.

Notice that I said he is USING Vista.

What are these ill informed impressions (they are HIS impressions - the impressions of an actual user and not regurgitated kneee jerk FLOSS conjecture)? What, in your opinion, are the problems facing consumers (most of which are NOT going to be ripping DRM from DVDs - just playing them), and the open source community in general?

[ArmpitOfDeath]

takeda and mic,

As tokenuser said, Alex is using Vista. As am I on some of my systems - and it is definitely an improvement on XP. The DRM hoo-ha is like countless other hoo-has about new apparently restrictive features in new OS's which turn out to be not so, or at worst a minor inconvenience. We've already had this in the Win98 - XP comparison.

As for Kevin, he's also used the stuff he said he likes. He hasn't - unlike many - gone into a Best Buy, played around with a display model for a few seconds with a made-up mind. The reality must be seeping in through the Apple mist.

I find the current hype around Apple on the other hand rather distasteful. The OS is in a semi-crippled state - sure, they've managed the transition quite smoothly and on a purely technological level it is quite impressive. But apps run at variable speeds, the OS is a hog and it is unreliable. Vista installations for me on the other hand have been rock-solid - as solid as XP has been for me for the last 2-3 years.

Eye candy alone does not make for a dependable tool, but as we all know the easily led are led with their eyes. And all that's without the Apple hardware problems which isn't just about variable QC but about superior design allied with bad engineering. It's not so bad that they're unusable but I'm certainly having some grave doubts about potentially locking myself into OS X software for a very important part of my work for the foreseeable future.


The one thing I have to agree with mic is that the default colour scheme is really difficult to see on a (Apple, even :p ) laptop with power saving enabled.

[beta7]

im still gona get vista... ive seen it in action i tested it all my games worked with it... even better then with xp, i dont need any bs virus scanner crap and the aero stuff doesnt lag the pc while ingame etc... so im all for vista, especialy when its free :D my school should be giving us ultimate editions if not then business or so... and to change the font just go to your tools and settings in your firefox browser and edit it there...

[bama5150]

I got Vista Ultimate (oem) running on my laptop, home and work computers. I like it. Being a user from the dos, I think this is the best windows OS out yet. It just runs great, and yes it is nice to look at too. Oh and it runs all the software that I depend on.
As far as people leaving windows for other OSes, great! Don't let the door hit you in the ... You won't be missed :)

[bman]

I just don't get the point of people starting these kinds of threads all the frigging time. Yes, you, this guy, that guy, me all have our own ideas and opinions about Microsoft, Apple and Linux creators, who cares, its really just your thoughts and not facts, cause everyone is different.

[beta7]

I just don't get the point of people starting these kinds of threads all the frigging time. Yes, you, this guy, that guy, me all have our own ideas and opinions about Microsoft, Apple and Linux creators, who cares, its really just your thoughts and not facts, cause everyone is different.

i second that!

[vahnx]

I used the Beta RC2 of Vista and the look is nice, but XP can do the same things as of now, but faster.

[mic]

I don't think he really cares about that to be honest.
I agree. And, I don't think his opinion would be swayed by getting free goodies, including a laptop with it pre-installed from the sponsor.
What worries me is Kevin. I don't know if you noticed but he seem to change a lot. I feel that they are getting paid for much more than just showing the picture of Zune on the beginning and end of the show.
Do you mean when Kevin's eyes lit up when Alex mentioned that they received another Zune to play with towards the end of episode 81 and Kevin still hadn't received one yet. :)
Don't get me wrong I still like the show, I'm just a bit surprised the change.
I too will continue to watch the show.
(they are HIS impressions - the impressions of an actual user and not regurgitated kneee jerk FLOSS conjecture)
That's a false premise. I could probably get into an 18 wheeler and drive it across country, it doesn't mean that I could parallel park the damn thing. :)
What, in your opinion, are the problems facing consumers (most of which are NOT going to be ripping DRM from DVDs - just playing them), and the open source community in general?
It's not about ARccOS and RipGuard. In part it has to do with the disabling of functionality as soon as you play your new store bought CD. As for Open source, the only way to protect the HFS process is to not release any technical details on the device. That makes it extremely difficult to write a driver for, lets say, a graphics card on Linux, since it might provide a way to pirate video. Remember, the Vista way is to treat everyone as if they are criminals. This is by no means a complete list, suggest you do some research yourself.
As tokenuser said, Alex is using Vista. As am I on some of my systems - and it is definitely an improvement on XP.
In your opinion, what is the improvement over XP?
The DRM hoo-ha is like countless other hoo-has about new apparently restrictive features in new OS's which turn out to be not so, or at worst a minor inconvenience. We've already had this in the Win98 - XP comparison.
Yes, I know. But this is quite a bit different then Win98 - XP. Those OS's were not written from the ground up with this much inconvenience. Don't get me wrong, I hope you're right.
Eye candy alone does not make for a dependable tool, but as we all know the easily led are led with their eyes.
This is very true. In part, Microsoft knows that eye candy sells and as you point out, people are easily led.
The one thing I have to agree with mic is that the default colour scheme is really difficult to see on a (Apple, even ) laptop with power saving enabled.
At least we definitely agree 100 percent on one thing. Hehe.
to change the font just go to your tools and settings in your firefox browser and edit it there...
The font *color*, not the font itself.
As far as people leaving windows for other OSes, great! Don't let the door hit you in the ... You won't be missed :)
That assumes we really care if we are missed, but thanks for caring enough to post. :)
I just don't get the point of people starting these kinds of threads all the frigging time. Yes, you, this guy, that guy, me all have our own ideas and opinions about Microsoft, Apple and Linux creators, who cares, its really just your thoughts and not facts, cause everyone is different.
No offense, but when you see people starting these "kinds of threads", keep in mine that some of us care about these issues, even if you don't or never will.
I used the Beta RC2 of Vista and the look is nice, but XP can do the same things as of now, but faster.
Yep. It's all about the eye candy and that is such a lame reason to upgrade. In my opinion, if work forced me to use Vista, my recommendation to them would be to not to install the first public release, I'd wait until at least SP1 was available. Microsoft's track record for first releases is quite bad and recent indications suggests that it won't be any different this time.

Most computers won't be able to run Vista but for a stripped-down version, and even then may run very slowly. There is one thing to look forward to, a slicker version of Solitaire. Hehe.

Again, no offense to anyone. Good night and good luck.

[takeda]

Do you mean when Kevin's eyes lit up when Alex mentioned that they received another Zune to play with towards the end of episode 81 and Kevin still hadn't received one yet. :)

Yeah that was funny, but I was talking about overall...


Yep. It's all about the eye candy and that is such a lame reason to upgrade. In my opinion, if work forced me to use Vista, my recommendation to them would be to not to install the first public release, I'd wait until at least SP1 was available. Microsoft's track record for first releases is quite bad and recent indications suggests that it won't be any different this time.


Yeah, actually all of the major features they promised on the beginning were thrown off. What left is a nice GUI + DRM.

I actually didn't upgraded to XP and stayed on Windows 2000. XP has absolutely nothing useful that 2000 doesn't have. It looks like it's the same with Vista.

[darknessgp]

I loved how mic had that long response, yet still didn't touch on if he has used the OS... seems like he's avoiding the subject since he knows he is wrong.

[beta7]

umm dude.... firefox has extensions coming out of its ass, thats how many its got... i can almost guarantee that if you search long enough you'll find one that will alow you to customize the font, font color etc for each webpage... and if there isnt go on their forums and request it... who knows more people might want it.

[nytsua]

I used the Beta RC2 of Vista and the look is nice, but XP can do the same things as of now, but faster.


With the amount of debugging code that goes into the pre-release versions you can't judge speed. I used the RC2 since it came out and just installed the Vista Business release and the speed increase is noticeable. It's just as fast, if not faster at somethings than xp.

[takeda]

I love how you added "in some things" in your response.

[ndric]

Funny how you criticized Microsoft for being too 'restrictive' while saying beforehand that you're going to get a Mac.

[zerokill1705]

first time I used vista I was quite impressed (RC2) but after like 2 months (week ago) vista just totally broke down and I installed XP again and i just realised really how slow Vista was.

I loved Vista for the time I used it but it was quite slow. Not that my system is great (3.8 score in vista) but i did run Aero.

[logant]

My hope is that Vista turns out to be the equivalent of WinME 2007. The unfortunate reality is it probably won't be a dud.

So instead of hoping it's good, you hope it sucks? Who hopes something sucks?

[ArmpitOfDeath]

So instead of hoping it's good, you hope it sucks? Who hopes something sucks?

Apple Fanboys. It's no coincidence they're getting so much press recently. Journos have always used Macs, and over the last year they've been ecstatic about being able to run Windows on their Macs just so they can say it sucks in comparison to OS X.

[nytsua]

I love how you added "in some things" in your response.

lol, well yeah, it's true and don't feel like getting flamed for being a fangirl, but any OS is a little slower (or needs better hardware) than the previous one. I can't say I really do anything CPU extensive so I don't notice a difference. But my three year old laptop does just fine as long as Aero is turned off.

[darknessgp]

lol, well yeah, it's true and don't feel like getting flamed for being a fangirl, but any OS is a little slower (or needs better hardware) than the previous one. I can't say I really do anything CPU extensive so I don't notice a difference. But my three year old laptop does just fine as long as Aero is turned off.

True, and I hate it when people just assume that you HAVE to run Aero on Vista. For some reason people just think you have to have everything turned on for it to be that specific OS, and that goes for all of them. Hell, i know an OSX user that never uses iLife stuff, so he doesn't have it on his hdd taking space.

[jjjennnnn]

I actually didn't upgraded to XP and stayed on Windows 2000. XP has absolutely nothing useful that 2000 doesn't have. It looks like it's the same with Vista.me too. Automatic driver installation was the only thing I really found handy about XP, but not so much that I'd rather run it than 2000.
I'm giving Vista a try, so we'll see. I'm going to be open-minded, but I have a bad feeling...

[nytsua]

me too. Automatic driver installation was the only thing I really found handy about XP, but not so much that I'd rather run it than 2000.
I'm giving Vista a try, so we'll see. I'm going to be open-minded, but I have a bad feeling...

I actually find that scary. Whatever floats your boat though I guess. Have you just not bought a new computer in so long that it's still 2000 or do you purposefully reformat it when you get it and put 2000 on it?

[darknessgp]

I actually find that scary. Whatever floats your boat though I guess. Have you just not bought a new computer in so long that it's still 2000 or do you purposefully reformat it when you get it and put 2000 on it?

I'm not sure about him, but I've kept up with the windows OS. I'm currently doing a XP/Vista dual boot. But I haven't bought a computer in 4 or 5 years. I build my own, so much more satisfying and I can usually get better stuff for cheaper.

[jjjennnnn]

I actually find that scary. Whatever floats your boat though I guess. Have you just not bought a new computer in so long that it's still 2000 or do you purposefully reformat it when you get it and put 2000 on it?format it and put 2000 back on, don't ask, I'm stubborn.
darknessgp: I'm a her :o
My new laptop I'm dual-booting with Vista and Ubuntu, just waiting for my upgrade cd to come

[nytsua]

I'm not sure about him, but I've kept up with the windows OS. I'm currently doing a XP/Vista dual boot. But I haven't bought a computer in 4 or 5 years. I build my own, so much more satisfying and I can usually get better stuff for cheaper.

I used to build them myself but the last 2-3 years trying to price it out dell has either been the same or cheaper for what I want.

format it and put 2000 back on, don't ask, I'm stubborn.
darknessgp: I'm a her
My new laptop I'm dual-booting with Vista and Ubuntu, just waiting for my upgrade cd to come

lol I won't ask, I understand stubbornness. Though stubborn on that point is new on me. I was thinking about duel booting with Ubuntu but haven't decided yet. Nice to see another "her" around!

[ArmpitOfDeath]

I'm not sure about him, but I've kept up with the windows OS. I'm currently doing a XP/Vista dual boot. But I haven't bought a computer in 4 or 5 years. I build my own, so much more satisfying and I can usually get better stuff for cheaper.

I've come from buying high-end prebuilts to a period of building my own - or rather, paying other people to build my own since my only reason for doing so was to put together high-performance multicore Opteron workstations (complete with custom manufactured air baffles) when there was no really good prebuilt solution available - and I can see how someone who's only bought a basic prebuilt (which are built like the more typical tidy DIYs) can think this.

But really, the high-performance prebuilts from the Tier 1 manufacturers are tested as a single entity and are usually more reliable, more silent and run cooler than a self-built unless you spend a significant amount of time sweating the details yourself. Especially now that those terrible HT P4's / Xeons are fading away.