Heroes

[dromeonyourchest]

Wait. In the paintings, there's DEFINITELY one of Hiro and his friend under the Homecoming banner. In the episode last night there was no scene like that at all (and barely any Hiro). Maybe that'll happen next episode. We'll see.

Anyone think Mohinder has powers?

I think Peter has a secondary power called Getting a Flight to Odessa or Midland Texas from NYC that DOESN'T Take 12 Hours worth of Layovers. Does anything FLY to Odessa or Midland!?!

There is a lot in the show that doesn't make since like why would Claires dad assume her daughter would stay in her room instead of guarding her every move to make sure she doesn't leave. I enjoy the show more when I don't think.
The little kid of the Two different personality chick is pretty damn annoying and his acting tears at my brain.

[muled]

That's exactly what I said last night. There was no way that he could get there on time... let alone hang out in Midland and get to Odessa.

Private Jet? They are rich aren't they?

[slowmtnsilhouette]

Wait. In the paintings, there's DEFINITELY one of Hiro and his friend under the Homecoming banner. In the episode last night there was no scene like that at all (and barely any Hiro). Maybe that'll happen next episode. We'll see.

Anyone think Mohinder has powers?

I think Peter has a secondary power called Getting a Flight to Odessa or Midland Texas from NYC that DOESN'T Take 12 Hours worth of Layovers. Does anything FLY to Odessa or Midland!?!

his girlfriend's rich, remember? she probably has a private jet...

[muled]

...
I think Peter has a secondary power called Getting a Flight to Odessa or Midland Texas from NYC that DOESN'T Take 12 Hours worth of Layovers. Does anything FLY to Odessa or Midland!?!

Wait this show is about a guy who can freeze time and time travel, a guy who emits radiation, a chick who regenerates fast, a mind reading cop, a flying guy ... etc.

But the flight that's the unbelievable part. Riiiigghhtt. :)

[slowmtnsilhouette]

Wait this show is about a guy who can freeze time and time travel, a guy who emits radiation, a chick who regenerates fast, a mind reading cop, a flying guy ... etc.

But the flight that's the unbelievable part. Riiiigghhtt. :)

lol...

oh, and yes, peters hair needs a trim...

[tokenuser]

Wait this show is about a guy who can freeze time and time travel, a guy who emits radiation, a chick who regenerates fast, a mind reading cop, a flying guy ... etc.

But the flight that's the unbelievable part. Riiiigghhtt. :)After the trouble I went through trying to get to Quebec last week ... it takes a real hero to navigate security, run between terminals, be redirected out from security to the wrong terminal, only to have to return back to the terminal you were in originally, get searched again, and still make it to your meeting on time - despite the idiot taxi driver dropping you off on the wrong street (even when you asked if he was sure it was the right place).

Nope. I have complete respect for Peter getting there on time ... though (according to Orbitz) there is a 9:00am Continental Flight connecting through Houston (2:15 layover) that would get him into Midland about 4:00. If he left any later he would have been there AFTER the homecoming game.

[kevmann16]

he broke his watch killing mohinders father

Damn I knew they must of been a reason no-one on here, imdb or aicn were talking about checking the time on the watch.

[bravestarr]

he broke his watch killing mohinders father

but in the dinner you heard it ticking? kind of like how Hook knows the gator is coming. i think it was just a goof. or was it?

oh, and Sylar can't be Peter because if Time Cop has taught us anything it's that same matter can't occupy same space.

[eaasness]

OK I've called just about every twist they have thrown at us in this series. Now I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to say last nights episode never happened. I'm betting by Hiro going back in time, six weeks, he has changed the future and all the events we witnessed last week will be erased.

I know I am probbably wrong, but...

[psbp516]

OK I've called just about every twist they have thrown at us in this series. Now I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to say last nights episode never happened. I'm betting by Hiro going back in time, six weeks, he has changed the future and all the events we witnessed last week will be erased.

I know I am probbably wrong, but...

I expected both peter and claire dieing and then in the ep. fallout hiro come back and fixing everything. I have no idea what's going to happen anymore though...

[satansmagichat]

OK I've called just about every twist they have thrown at us in this series. Now I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to say last nights episode never happened. I'm betting by Hiro going back in time, six weeks, he has changed the future and all the events we witnessed last week will be erased.

I know I am probbably wrong, but...

It was six months. But anyways, yeah, if they do totally cop out like that, I'll be pissed. Because all the deaths they've had so far they could have Hiro save, or have memories erased. I'm with whoever said "I like this show better when I don't think." Not because I'm a fan of not thinking when watching stuff (cuz I'm the exact opposite) I just don't care to overanalyze irrelevant stuff like the flight time, or whatever. If anything else, people should be pissed at the dialogue being COMPLETELY unbelievable. But still, I know what they're going for, and I'm enjoying the story, and that's all that counts, right? Right?

*whimpers and pulls the covers over his head*

[jackstrap]

that last ep was great , didn't saw some parts coming.

And yea the double face girl is getting on my nerves too! useless story...

[jawapunkin]

Just for satansmagichat
POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING

From the current preview we can find out a lot
Nikki and Jessica are sisters- jessica died in 1987 at 11years old
chandra helped bennet create his organization
and the biggest is a possible pic of sylar

[satansmagichat]

From the current preview we can find out a lot
Nikki and Jessica are sisters- jessica died in 1987 at 11years old
chandra helped bennet create his organization
and the biggest is a possible pic of sylar

SPOILER WARNING, you son of a *****!

[slowmtnsilhouette]

yay! its on tonight! its on tonight!

:: does a happy dance ::

[kramertron]

yay! its on tonight! its on tonight!

:: does a happy dance ::

Even better, we're going to find out what Hiro did for those months back in time! (hopefully)

also: is it just me, or is Ali Larter's power simply Multiple Personality Disorder?

[bravestarr]

also: is it just me, or is Ali Larter's power simply Multiple Personality Disorder?


no. i swear to Jebes someone else is living inside her. been sayin it from the start. she's still one of my favs despite the hatin she's been getting on the internets.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

Even better, we're going to find out what Hiro did for those months back in time! (hopefully)

also: is it just me, or is Ali Larter's power simply Multiple Personality Disorder?

supposedly she's absorbed some chick named jessica who died...

someone said it was her sister, but when she was talking about her, it didnt seem like she knew this alter ego...

[soundwave2-0]

supposedly she's absorbed some chick named jessica who died...

someone said it was her sister, but when she was talking about her, it didnt seem like she knew this alter ego...

i wish she would absorb me...

[muled]

i wish she would absorb me...

that was brilliant :)

[kevmann16]

Another great episode. I loved last nights, finally enjoyed a nikki/jessica story line which was getting boring and the sylar origin was really cool.

Big SPOLIER

... I think Hiro might of stopped Charlie from being killed but instead she died of that brain clot. Either way I felt really bad for her with Hiro popping out after she told him she was going to die, she must of thought he abandoned her to die alone. Which made me feel sorry for Hiro as wel who couldn't get back to help.

[satori]

I recall someone posting that Sean Bean was Sylar, and I recall IMDB saying as much... did I just dream that?

This was the first ep that I felt was weak. It had a lot of repeated info, and did very little to further the story for me. There was no info that I couldn't of lived with out to get the story to completion aside from the sister reference.... but did I really need an hour long show to tell me that?

[soundwave2-0]

it was ok...

i thought the eclipse triggered everyones powers, but it looked like they were all working before that.

i don't like how the indian dude's father has the heroes pegged down exactly. i mean how can you mathmatically find them and all that crap. at least prof. x had cerebro. i just find him and the map too much. anyone else have a problem with that?

interesting how hero can't change the past...i think that is how time travel would actually go down. cause you going back in time was already part of equation that brought the event you wanted to change into being.

nice back to the future nod...great scott!!

[diela]

I recall someone posting that Sean Bean was Sylar, and I recall IMDB saying as much... did I just dream that?

Yeah, and as we all know, IMDB is never wrong :rolleyes:. You know if you have a premium account, you can pretty much contribute to anyone's profile, right? Some asshat decided to be cute.

You really could have lived without seeing Sylar's origin? Or Eden's entry into HRG's organization?

I find it interesting that HRG already had the scary black guy in his employ before the professor ever contacted him about Claire. He had obviously been tracking Eden for some time also, because he was prepared to counter her power and bring her in.

Yeah, there was some repetition in the closing monologue, but I think that's to ease us into what's happening next week for the fall "finale". We'll be back in present day then, and they might have wanted to remind us what happened last week so that it makes more sense.

[satori]

i don't like how the indian dude's father has the heroes pegged down exactly. i mean how can you mathmatically find them and all that crap. at least prof. x had cerebro. i just find him and the map too much. anyone else have a problem with that?

I'm pretty sure that the writers are borrowing from Isaac Assimov's "Foundation" series, and the character Harry Seldon that mapped out the future probability and is responsible for Foundation. It's all mathematics and is thoroughly believable, although it would require massive computer time. If you haven't read it you should, The first book is required reading, but the second book is where it shines.

[soundwave2-0]

I'm pretty sure that the writers are borrowing from Isaac Assimov's "Foundation" series, and the character Harry Seldon that mapped out the future probability and is responsible for Foundation. It's all mathematics and is thoroughly believable, although it would require massive computer time. If you haven't read it you should, The first book is required reading, but the second book is where it shines.

would make more sense if he had a power that would let him find other ppl with powers...not some map with pictures and a laptop.

anyone else feel that claire's dad is kinda like magneto building a brotherhood of mutants...whie saresh is like xavier?

[jonathanlondon]

They mentioned the Drafthouse in Austin. That was cool.

And Rivers Cuomo as Sylar. Good casting. ;)

[tokenuser]

I am still not a fan of the Nikki/Jessica storyline ... I hope the gets tied together soon. Also, Mindreading Cop ... not coming together yet.

BUT, the shocker for me was how Nathan Petrelli's wife got crippled. So, does she know Nathan can fly - or is it all a blur. It also explain the mob boss connection a little more.

And I think Claire and Eden need to get a little girl on girl action going ... but that could just be me.

[abacusand13south]

anyone else feel that claire's dad is kinda like magneto building a brotherhood of mutants...whie saresh is like xavier?

I think her dad is actually going to end up being the good guy in the whole thing.

Im so glad Nora Zehetner is in this show, shes a damn good actress.

I thought the episode was probably one of the worst but still a good ep. Lots of information was put into it but I wasnt really prepared to know that much about Sylar yet I guess.

And the cracking the internet in half joke was a really good nod to the core audience of the show.

[kevmann16]

They mentioned the Drafthouse in Austin. That was cool.

And Rivers Cuomo as Sylar. Good casting. ;)

Damn I'd seen the episode yet still believed you enough to spend 20 mintues checking on the weezer websites / forums, imdb and the heroes fan sites until I found for sure that it was Zachary Quinto that played sylar.

Also while searching found out the BBC2 are showing Heroes in the UK in 2007. I think this is a big scoop for the BBC. I'm surprised that Channel 4 or Sky one didn't out bid them as usual. I just hope they dont do what they do with family guy and american dad and put it on post 11pm with no promotion.

[jonathanlondon]

Damn I'd seen the episode yet still believed you enough to spend 20 mintues checking on the weezer websites / forums, imdb and the heroes fan sites until I found for sure that it was Zachary Quinto that played sylar.

Also while searching found out the BBC2 are showing Heroes in the UK in 2007. I think this is a big scoop for the BBC. I'm surprised that Channel 4 or Sky one didn't out bid them as usual. I just hope they dont do what they do with family guy and american dad and put it on post 11pm with no promotion.

Yeah. I was just joking about the Rivers thing. Anyone else think of Rivers when you saw Sylar?

And this episode was good as a reset for the rest of the story. The best part was when it was over and it said "Next week: The Last New Episode Before The New Year" Laura goes "Nooooooooooooooooooooo!" That was pretty funny.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

Yeah. I was just joking about the Rivers thing. Anyone else think of Rivers when you saw Sylar?

i totally thought, "man, that guys looks familiar... who is it?" and my brother says, "dude, that guy totally looks like rivers cuomo!"

[bravestarr]

ahhhh, so that’s how “Sylar” fixed his broken watch after killing Mohinder’s pop. damn good idea making him a non-powered poser wannabe.

i think waitress’s blood clout brain might come back to bite Sylar in the ass.

"Great-a Scott!!!"

and the Haitian Pimp is my new favorite. he's got the Leech-like power to suppress other's powers. unstoppable

[jonathanlondon]

ahhhh, so that’s how “Sylar” fixed his broken watch after killing Mohinder’s pop. damn good idea making him a non-powered poser wannabe.

i think waitress’s blood clout brain might come back to bite Sylar in the ass.

"Great-a Scott!!!"

I bet Sylar steals powers. He could move the cup after he killed the first guy. I'm thinking he absorbs the parts of the brain that has the power, hence the way he's killing his victims.

And maybe the waitress (aka JLo's new TV crush) isn't dead of the brain clot. It could just be the portion of her brain that has her developing powers.

[bravestarr]

And maybe the waitress (aka JLo's new TV crush) isn't dead of the brain clot. It could just be the portion of her brain that has her developing powers.


yeah, like Phenomena.

still think Sylar ate her brain, but the blood clout might give him some sort of power indigestion. that's why he slipped up on the whole Claire fiasco. her name had to be on the list though for Sylar to finder her, so she still might have had the gift.

[dromeonyourchest]

I bet Sylar steals powers. He could move the cup after he killed the first guy. I'm thinking he absorbs the parts of the brain that has the power, hence the way he's killing his victims.

And maybe the waitress (aka JLo's new TV crush) isn't dead of the brain clot. It could just be the portion of her brain that has her developing powers.

I was really confused on how Hiro couldn't change the past yet he obviously went back and affected it somewhat talking to Peter. I don't understand why he couldn't just tell the waitress to not show up to work that day, then again she probably died of the brain clot which he couldn't change.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

I bet Sylar steals powers. He could move the cup after he killed the first guy. I'm thinking he absorbs the parts of the brain that has the power, hence the way he's killing his victims.

yeah, i was pretty sure he was a power-stealer... but how does he absorb them? does he get all cannibalistic and eat the brains? or, because chandra visited him in the first place, his main power is absorbing talents from a brain... but if that was the case, why does he need to take the brain out?

[bravestarr]

yeah, i was pretty sure he was a power-stealer... but how does he absorb them? does he get all cannibalistic and eat the brains? or, because chandra visited him in the first place, his main power is absorbing talents from a brain... but if that was the case, why does he need to take the brain out?


Chandra's tests came up negative, that's why dude got pissed off. i'm thinking he's eating their brains.

[ngower]

I think Syler's power is he can analyze things and how they work, as you saw with the watches. So when he cuts someone brain open he analyzes ther brain and finds what makes it work, thus having the ability to take their powers.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

I think Syler's power is he can analyze things and how they work, as you saw with the watches. So when he cuts someone brain open he analyzes ther brain and finds what makes it work, thus having the ability to take their powers.

thats an awesome theory...


i love the drome because we get into these crazy theories and conversations...

[bravestarr]

I think Syler's power is he can analyze things and how they work, as you saw with the watches. So when he cuts someone brain open he analyzes ther brain and finds what makes it work, thus having the ability to take their powers.


that’s what Wiki suggests too, but i don’t buy it. i think he fixed the watch because his dad was a watchmaker and he’s been trained to be one all his life. it’s much cooler if he’s completely un-powered and is somehow stealing other’s powers in true Dr. Doom fashion.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

that’s what Wiki suggests too, but i don’t buy it. i think he fixed the watch because his dad was a watchmaker and he’s been trained to be one all his life. it’s much cooler if he’s completely un-powered and is somehow stealing other’s powers in true Dr. Doom fashion.

i dont think he would have known about chandra's watch without having some kind of keen analyzing skills...

[bravestarr]

i dont think he would have known about chandra's watch without having some kind of keen analyzing skills...


maybe, yeah like Karnak from the Inhumans. even still that's gotta be the lamest supepower ever. probably why he's so frustrated with power envy.

[tokenuser]

maybe, yeah like Karnak from the Inhumans. even still that's gotta be the lamest supepower ever. probably why he's so frustrated with power envy.I actually think it is kindofa cool power.

He "sees" what is wrong/flawed with a device, and knows how to "fix" it. By replicating the "flaw" (mutant power) he can apply the fix to himself.

While Peter needs to be in contact with someone to borrow their powers, Sylar is able to replicate the flaw and permanently acquire the power.

[satori]

thats an awesome theory...


i love the drome because we get into these crazy theories and conversations...

you're all wrong... clearly it's pixie dust sylar is taking from their pixie glands.

[bravestarr]

I actually think it is kindofa cool power.

He "sees" what is wrong/flawed with a device, and knows how to "fix" it. By replicating the "flaw" (mutant power) he can apply the fix to himself.

While Peter needs to be in contact with someone to borrow their powers, Sylar is able to replicate the flaw and permanently acquire the power.


so why couldn't he "see" the flaw with Eden and the Haitian? they took him down pretty quick. also if that were true, how did manage to pick the wrong cheerleader. the pieces just don't fit.


you're all wrong... clearly it's pixie dust sylar is taking from their pixie glands.


hahaha. that'll be sweet.

[soundwave2-0]

I was really confused on how Hiro couldn't change the past yet he obviously went back and affected it somewhat talking to Peter. I don't understand why he couldn't just tell the waitress to not show up to work that day, then again she probably died of the brain clot which he couldn't change.

he tried telling her not to go to work...it didn't work. and she didn't die of ablood clot...sylar killed her.

he didn't change anything when he went back to talk to peter...future hiro always went back in time to talk to peter. that is how the whole "save the cheerleader save the world" thing got started. peter told present day hiro that he talked to him from the future. so in the future hiro knows he will go back in time and tell peter the message. he knows he won't have to say anything more, because everything worked out the way it did because of that exact message.

just like when out present day hiro first met the waitress. it was his first time meeting her, but she actually met him 6 months earlier. she eventually believed that he was from the future and realized that this hiro doesn't know her yet. she acted like it was there first meeting.

we know that hiro was always in her past...not just when he decided to jump back...by the fact that she got a japanese phrase book for her bday. she told hiro that before she died. so we know his time jumping doesn't create alternate universes.

you might think he changed the past the when he saved the girl from being hit by the truck, but that is not the case. that girl was meant to be saved by a man that can bend time and saw it happen in a comic book in the future.

hiro's time travel rules make much more sense than marty mcfly's. marty did all this stuff to alter his present, but he is the same person. where is his memories of the truck he is going to take jennifer camping with? why doesn't he know his father is a famous author and that biff cleans their cars? why are they all still living in that small house?

hiro's way is that events happen the way they happen. if someone goes back in time to stop something...well it doesn't work. the time traveler was always a part of the equation. it is actually the opposite. you going back in time helps that event take place.

say i go back in time to kill my grandfather before he met my grandmother. just the fact that i am alive tells me that i will fail. the gun will jam or something. i won't be able to kill him because he never died at that point.

now there is a theory if u go back in time it will create an alternate universe...if that is true i will kill my grandfather...but i will still be there from the original universe.

now i wish i can go back in time and stop me from writing this long reply.

[soundwave2-0]

I think Syler's power is he can analyze things and how they work, as you saw with the watches. So when he cuts someone brain open he analyzes ther brain and finds what makes it work, thus having the ability to take their powers.

yeah i thought that was a given too.

[jonathanlondon]

so why couldn't he "see" the flaw with Eden and the Haitian? they took him down pretty quick. also if that were true, how did manage to pick the wrong cheerleader. the pieces just don't fit.


I think the Haitian is a power dampener/memory sucker. He messes up your mind. That would explain why he made the cop go all drunken at the bar and sapped his memories and why Sylar can't effect him or locate him.

And his next power will be on Day Break when he wakes up to the same day every episode.

[bravestarr]

I think the Haitian is a power dampener/memory sucker. He messes up your mind. That would explain why he made the cop go all drunken at the bar and sapped his memories and why Sylar can't effect him or locate him.

And his next power will be on Day Break when he wakes up to the same day every episode.

he still picked the wrong cheerleader. that's what seals it for me that Sylar is a poser.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

And his next power will be on Day Break when he wakes up to the same day every episode.

hahaha... he does kinda look like taye diggs....

[darksydeavenger]

Well, there were a few cheerleaders. And I'm guessing Sylar knew that everyone else knew of his plans, so time was against him. It all makes sense to me. :D

[atomusk]

he still picked the wrong cheerleader. that's what seals it for me that Sylar is a poser.

maybe he doesnt know how to control his power that much, maybe he was getting the sense that something needs "fixing" but didnt know which "watch" was the right one

[cyrinix]

He "sees" what is wrong/flawed with a device, and knows how to "fix" it. By replicating the "flaw" (mutant power) he can apply the fix to himself.

so, he replicates the "flaw", which is a mutation leading to the power..but if he fixed it then he wouldn't have the flaw, hence no mutation, hence no power right?

also, i think having the "flaws" of people is gonna mess him up. hes becoming obessessed with getting everyone's powers, but he is a "fixer" at heart, so i wonder if thats whats messing with him, having all these flaws but not wanting to fix them, but feelin he has too

also, this makes me think our firestarter buddy is gonna be taken out and sylar may be the one that takes out the city (referring to my point about him having the struggle within, maybe this last power he couldn't handle and he snaps)

[bravestarr]

maybe he doesnt know how to control his power that much, maybe he was getting the sense that something needs "fixing" but didnt know which "watch" was the right one

he just went straight by what the newspaper said in the trophy case. he's a wannabe poser. he's a villian and i'm gonna hate him until he redeems himself.

[dromeonyourchest]

he tried telling her not to go to work...it didn't work. and she didn't die of ablood clot...sylar killed her.

he didn't change anything when he went back to talk to peter...future hiro always went back in time to talk to peter. that is how the whole "save the cheerleader save the world" thing got started. peter told present day hiro that he talked to him from the future. so in the future hiro knows he will go back in time and tell peter the message. he knows he won't have to say anything more, because everything worked out the way it did because of that exact message.

just like when out present day hiro first met the waitress. it was his first time meeting her, but she actually met him 6 months earlier. she eventually believed that he was from the future and realized that this hiro doesn't know her yet. she acted like it was there first meeting.

we know that hiro was always in her past...not just when he decided to jump back...by the fact that she got a japanese phrase book for her bday. she told hiro that before she died. so we know his time jumping doesn't create alternate universes.

you might think he changed the past the when he saved the girl from being hit by the truck, but that is not the case. that girl was meant to be saved by a man that can bend time and saw it happen in a comic book in the future.

hiro's time travel rules make much more sense than marty mcfly's. marty did all this stuff to alter his present, but he is the same person. where is his memories of the truck he is going to take jennifer camping with? why doesn't he know his father is a famous author and that biff cleans their cars? why are they all still living in that small house?

hiro's way is that events happen the way they happen. if someone goes back in time to stop something...well it doesn't work. the time traveler was always a part of the equation. it is actually the opposite. you going back in time helps that event take place.

say i go back in time to kill my grandfather before he met my grandmother. just the fact that i am alive tells me that i will fail. the gun will jam or something. i won't be able to kill him because he never died at that point.

now there is a theory if u go back in time it will create an alternate universe...if that is true i will kill my grandfather...but i will still be there from the original universe.

now i wish i can go back in time and stop me from writing this long reply.

My head really hurts now

[soundwave2-0]

My head really hurts now

yeah i am kinda really into time travel stuff.

[cyrinix]

he didn't change anything when he went back to talk to peter...future hiro always went back in time to talk to peter. that is how the whole "save the cheerleader save the world" thing got started. peter told present day hiro that he talked to him from the future. so in the future hiro knows he will go back in time and tell peter the message. he knows he won't have to say anything more, because everything worked out the way it did because of that exact message.

yea but who started that? wouldnt the "1st Hiro" have to go thru life and then tell "2nd hiro" to save the cheerleader? but that couldn't be possible since the "1st hiro" would have died in by the bomb (assuming hes in the city) and never told his younger self ("2nd hiro") to save the cheerleader.. thats what gets me confused about the time paradoxes...

just like when out present day hiro first met the waitress. it was his first time meeting her, but she actually met him 6 months earlier. she eventually believed that he was from the future and realized that this hiro doesn't know her yet. she acted like it was there first meeting.

that makes sense, i need to go rewatch the ep to see if she acts odd after seeing hiro

[kramertron]

I'm really happy with the way they handled time travel, that was the way I always invisioned it to work, you can't change the past you can only change your present. But that will bring up the question, what about the big explosion in NYC? Are they not going to stop it?

I'm so very glad that Ali Larter's power has become more than multiple personality disorder.

Also, two of my friends saw Heroes for the first time last night and it made me realize just how many people have powers in the show with me trying to explain everything.

[cyrinix]

I'm so very glad that Ali Larter's power has become more than multiple personality disorder.

not sure if this was talked about, but is it nikki's power or jessica's? maybe jessica had the ability to jump into other's bodies (while being strangled by dad, her power manifested and she jumped into her sister by accident), and since her body is gone maybe she cant jump out (can only jump from her old body to new, cant jump from person to person) but can take over whenever she wishes??

[proglodyte]

So does anyone else think that Nikki/Jessica's father is also Nathan and Peter's father? I got the clear impression that the show was hinting at that last night. I think he died of a heart attack just after Jessica's attack on him. The scene where Nathan tells Peter of their dads death was right after Jessica attacked her dad. I think another clear indication is his crazy mood swing involving Micah when he saw him taking apart the computer. We know that Nathan and Peter's father supposedly had some kind of psychological problem.

Eww, if I am right I just realized I am saying that Nathan ****ed his sister.

[soundwave2-0]

yea but who started that? wouldnt the "1st Hiro" have to go thru life and then tell "2nd hiro" to save the cheerleader? but that couldn't be possible since the "1st hiro" would have died in by the bomb (assuming hes in the city) and never told his younger self ("2nd hiro") to save the cheerleader.. thats what gets me confused about the time paradoxes...



that makes sense, i need to go rewatch the ep to see if she acts odd after seeing hiro


it is a "time loop".

this is the biggest paradox when it comes to time travel. let me give you an example. say i go into the future. while i am there i go to the library and see a "Time" magazine where someone discovered where jimmy hoffa is buried. i go back to my present and tell some guy about it. he then goes and digs up jimmy hoffa and "Time" magazine puts him on the cover.

now..that information came from me telling this guy about a magazine i saw in the future. that magazine article came about because i told a guy in the past about the location of jimmy hoffa. so where did the information come from? thin air?

hiro coming back to peter is proof that he was not killed by the bomb (and peter must be alive because hiro doesn't know him really w/o the scar). so there are two options...hiro is not around when the bomb goes off...or...the following was meant to happen:

hiro goes into the future right before the bomb goes off, goes back to his present and starts making his way to new york...living out the events we have seen, stopping the explosion and then some time in the future going back and telling peter about "save the cheerleader".

the second option is kinda up in the air until we see what happens with the bomb. hiro said he can't change the past...and that means the future too...right? i mean when he tried to save the waitress...it was his past, but her future.

we know he has seen the explosion in the future...so there might be a huge plot hole in the "hiro can't change things" rule.


my question is how is saving claire going to save the world? do you think it just means if sylar got her power he would be unbeatable...or do you think there is something more that connects her to preventing the explosion?

[moof]

So does anyone else think that Nikki/Jessica's father is also Nathan and Peter's father? I got the clear impression that the show was hinting at that last night. I think he died of a heart attack just after Jessica's attack on him. The scene where Nathan tells Peter of their dads death was right after Jessica attacked her dad. I think another clear indication is his crazy mood swing involving Micah when he saw him taking apart the computer. We know that Nathan and Peter's father supposedly had some kind of psychological problem.

Eww, if I am right I just realized I am saying that Nathan ****ed his sister.

i don't think they're related. that'd be a storyline right out of a soap opera. i think he just freaked out about the computer because it was so expensive and new and micah decided to take it apart right away.

[kramertron]

not sure if this was talked about, but is it nikki's power or jessica's? maybe jessica had the ability to jump into other's bodies (while being strangled by dad, her power manifested and she jumped into her sister by accident), and since her body is gone maybe she cant jump out (can only jump from her old body to new, cant jump from person to person) but can take over whenever she wishes??

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Will that eventually lead to Jessica jumping into other people's bodies to do her bidding? Maybe jumping into Sylar to finally do some good? Or jumping into someone to help Sylar now that he's been captured?

[soundwave2-0]

So does anyone else think that Nikki/Jessica's father is also Nathan and Peter's father? I got the clear impression that the show was hinting at that last night. I think he died of a heart attack just after Jessica's attack on him. The scene where Nathan tells Peter of their dads death was right after Jessica attacked her dad. I think another clear indication is his crazy mood swing involving Micah when he saw him taking apart the computer. We know that Nathan and Peter's father supposedly had some kind of psychological problem.

Eww, if I am right I just realized I am saying that Nathan ****ed his sister.

isn't it revealed later that nathan and peter's dad actually took his own life?

[bravestarr]

isn't it revealed later that nathan and peter's dad actually took his own life?


yup. moms told Peter when he was laid up after trying to fly that pops was depressed and offed himself. for a while there i thought maybe Niki's dad was Linderman.

[proteus]

Yeah this is true because when Peter tried to "kill" himself, his mother mentioned something about him following in his fathers foot steps.

[wallymartin]

It sucks that we won't get to see more of Charlie, i really liked her character a lot.

[klitzy]

It sucks that we won't get to see more of Charlie, i really liked her character a lot.

I like the banging hott chearleader...But really...Who doesnt?

[satori]

I like the banging hott chearleader...But really...Who doesnt?

Not my type, way too young.

[kramertron]

It sucks that we won't get to see more of Charlie, i really liked her character a lot.

I agree whole-heartedly, she was so damn adorable and perfect for Hiro. Por guy :(

[abacusand13south]

I was thinking last night about how good it could be if further on down the line once people start finding out that there are people with abilites running around and helping others that a few none powered heroes start popping up like a Green Arrow/Batman type figure, but I guess Ando may be this type of guy.

[tokenuser]

I was thinking last night about how good it could be if further on down the line once people start finding out that there are people with abilites running around and helping others that a few none powered heroes start popping up like a Green Arrow/Batman type figure, but I guess Ando may be this type of guy.:) Ando isn't a Hero ... he's a sidekick. Every Hiro needs his Robin (actually, since it appears that Hiro doesn't drive, I guess Ando is actually more an Alfred than a Robin).

[darknessgp]

so, he replicates the "flaw", which is a mutation leading to the power..but if he fixed it then he wouldn't have the flaw, hence no mutation, hence no power right?

also, i think having the "flaws" of people is gonna mess him up. hes becoming obessessed with getting everyone's powers, but he is a "fixer" at heart, so i wonder if thats whats messing with him, having all these flaws but not wanting to fix them, but feelin he has too...

Actually, he doesn't see "flaws" more like the errors causing the thing not to function correctly. Basically, I see it like he sees everyone with a power, but the power isn't at the full potential so it is "flawed." So fixing it would actually be taking out whatever is limiting it. Although I'm not sure he even knows how to "fix" it, he just knows it's broken.

[cyrinix]

*** spoiler alert ***

http://www.fangasm.com/01television/heroes/heroes-nonus-promo-clip.php

[satansmagichat]

You guys are al forgetting that Sylar had mohinder's father's map and all of his life's work. So obviously he cant just sense super people, or he might have gotten the cop's abilities when they briefly met that one time (and forced the chick cop's gun to her head). So he just hunts down the people he knows have powers. And since the Claire's father had her name taken off the list, he would've had to have found that out from the newspaper, so THAT's why he killed the wrong cheerleader.

I do agree with some superhuman ability to fix things, though. I mean, I don't think he eats brains (as cool as that might be) but can find "what's wrong" once he's in there, and thencan put that part in his brain so it works.

And I agree that the cheerleader isn't my type. Too old.

[kramertron]

I think Sylar basically absorbs the powers of the people he kills no matter the means, and that he's simply found the quickest way to kill people by simply taking their brain out of the equation (and plus it makes for a much better/easier/more believable TV shot than a beheading). He killed his first "Hero" through conventional means, so I think it's possible that this is the case (but I do realize we don't see what happens after, so he could very well still have sliced his skull open and palm read his brain, but I find that to be lame).

[briangilmore]

I think Sylar basically absorbs the powers of the people he kills no matter the means, and that he's simply found the quickest way to kill people by simply taking their brain out of the equation (and plus it makes for a much better/easier/more believable TV shot than a beheading). He killed his first "Hero" through conventional means, so I think it's possible that this is the case (but I do realize we don't see what happens after, so he could very well still have sliced his skull open and palm read his brain, but I find that to be lame).

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say...only I think he eats people's brains. Eats them. And when he finds a guy who can burn people's skulls off with their fingers, then he kills his ass and absorbs those powers too. It kinda sucks that the antagonist is just one huge jealous jerk...but if they ever fight him...he has SOOOOOO many ****ing powers. That's almost video game proportion and that BETTER happen. Oh man.

[satansmagichat]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say...only I think he eats people's brains. Eats them. And when he finds a guy who can burn people's skulls off with their fingers, then he kills his ass and absorbs those powers too. It kinda sucks that the antagonist is just one huge jealous jerk...but if they ever fight him...he has SOOOOOO many ****ing powers. That's almost video game proportion and that BETTER happen. Oh man.

Yeah, but if you put the nurse guy (why can't I remember any names except Hiro and Claire?) next to him, then won't he also get Sylar's powers, and therefore it would be an even match? Except if other supers are there with him, then he'll get their's, too. So basically that guy is the most powerful, not Sylar.

[briangilmore]

Yeah, but if you put the nurse guy (why can't I remember any names except Hiro and Claire?) next to him, then won't he also get Sylar's powers, and therefore it would be an even match? Except if other supers are there with him, then he'll get their's, too. So basically that guy is the most powerful, not Sylar.


i'm saying the fight will be epic, in a way that should take a whole 20 minutes up or something with no side bullshit. just intense, no music, gritty powers on powers shit. peter vs. sylar. duuude. i officially like this show now. after this discussion...i've watched every episode like it was a chore or something till now.

[proteus]

Anyway back to what sylar does with his victims... So I went back and checked out episode 2 where hiro goe's forward in time to the explosion and he finds issac dead and gets blammed for the murder. Here you notice that the brain is gone so sylar has taken issacs brain doing what ever he does with it(My opinion would have to be eat it, because I doubt he carrys around a sack full of peoples brains to harness their power lol).

[briangilmore]

Anyway back to what sylar does with his victims... So I went back and checked out episode 2 where hiro goe's forward in time to the explosion and he finds issac dead and gets blammed for the murder. Here you notice that the brain is gone so sylar has taken issacs brain doing what ever he does with it(My opinion would have to be eat it, because I doubt he carrys around a sack full of peoples brains to harness their power lol).



that's what I SAID. He eats brains. and that is ****ing awesome...but why? b/c his power is fixing things and in order to fix them (as he has a flaw) he has to kill them and put them into a person who can handle and who WANTS the power?...hmmmm....

Sylar's a sick character, though, burns people's heads off so it's clean and no brain is spilled, eats brains (absorbs maybe...?).

i'm sure at some point he's going to use Hiro's girl's powers to do something against hiro...that's what i'd write into that shit. man.

[jawapunkin]

just wanted to say that no way is peter the most powerful. He may have the most potential but just as with anything practice makes perfect. He would be like a 2 year old with all those powers. Clumsy and unstable. Don't get me wrong, I like Peter I just think that he has a lot of growing to do.

[abacusand13south]

I think Peter may have absorbed Sylars power for the few seconds in the hallway, how else do you think those lockers missed Peter.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

I think Peter may have absorbed Sylars power for the few seconds in the hallway, how else do you think those lockers missed Peter.

totally... i think that if peter could harness his powers, a Sylar vs. Peter showdown could be the best in the entire show...

[muss]

What ever happened to the girl from the 1st or 2nd episode who was found by Matt after her parents where killed by Sylar. Sylar tried to get her at the police station so she has to have some powers. I wonder if we will see her come into the story again.

[abacusand13south]

What ever happened to the girl from the 1st or 2nd episode who was found by Matt after her parents where killed by Sylar. Sylar tried to get her at the police station so she has to have some powers. I wonder if we will see her come into the story again.

I totally forgot about her, she was rescued in episode 2 and Sylar tried to get her in 3 or 4 but since then we havent seen anything about her.

[bravestarr]

I totally forgot about her, she was rescued in episode 2 and Sylar tried to get her in 3 or 4 but since then we havent seen anything about her.

i smell a spin-off!!

[bigyanks]

i smell a spin-off!!

The Runaways!-well not really same thing but heroe kids on the run cuz they are different.

[eaasness]

:) Ando isn't a Hero ... he's a sidekick. Every Hiro needs his Robin (actually, since it appears that Hiro doesn't drive, I guess Ando is actually more an Alfred than a Robin).

You mean more like Kato!

[tokenuser]

You mean more like Kato!Someone to cover up your boss murdering his wife? Perhaps, but it doesn't sound like anything Ando would do ;)

Ok, ok ... lame joke. I guess Ando is more like Kato to Hiro's Green Hornet. But Kato was a side kick as well

[eaasness]

OK I've called just about every twist they have thrown at us in this series. Now I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to say last nights episode never happened. I'm betting by Hiro going back in time, six weeks, he has changed the future and all the events we witnessed last week will be erased.

I know I am probbably wrong, but...

I just wanted to say I WAS WRONG! I am so glad I was, because it means the show didn't totally cop out.

[cyrinix]

5min sneak peak of the next episode:
http://www.heroesrevealed.com/next-episode/sneak-peek-to-fallout/

[eaasness]

5min sneak peak of the next episode:
http://www.heroesrevealed.com/next-episode/sneak-peek-to-fallout/

Damn you!;) Now I really can't wait for the next episode. Why did I watch the preview? why?

[blacksymbiote]

This series is just getting better and better. I seriously can't wait for the next episode... and that clip just made it all the worse :p

[satansmagichat]

totally... i think that if peter could harness his powers, a Sylar vs. Peter showdown could be the best in the entire show...

It just occured to me that the best bet Sylar would have for taking out Peter or the others is if he somehow got the haitian guy on his side. Or, just stole his powers? I just blew my own mind.

[muled]

totally... i think that if peter could harness his powers, a Sylar vs. Peter showdown could be the best in the entire show...

I was waiting for that when Peter saved the cheerleader. Him and Sylar were going against each other and it didn't seem to be much of affect.

[abacusand13south]

So who does everyone think dies next week? I think it will be Ando. Because we have seen that Hiro is way different in the future and Ando's death would be the type of thing to change him that way.

[tokenuser]

So who does everyone think dies next week? I think it will be Ando. Because we have seen that Hiro is way different in the future and Ando's death would be the type of thing to change him that way.I'm not so sure about that. I think we already saw who dies in the closing frames of the last show ... Jessica lining up the shot on D.L.

BTW - Found a great resource for Heroes fans ... the Heroes Wiki (http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page).

[abacusand13south]

I'm not so sure about that. I think we already saw who dies in the closing frames of the last show ... Jessica lining up the shot on D.L.

BTW - Found a great resource for Heroes fans ... the Heroes Wiki (http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page).

I dont think it will be DL, hes relatively a new character who hasnt had much of his story resolved and I think once the shot is fired it pass's through him because he goes intangible.

[diela]

I dont think it will be DL, hes relatively a new character who hasnt had much of his story resolved and I think once the shot is fired it pass's through him because he goes intangible.

It won't be DL because

*spoilerish* ahead

there is a screen capture from the previews of the next episode of DL, Micha, and Nikki holding hands and running between cars from... something.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

I was waiting for that when Peter saved the cheerleader. Him and Sylar were going against each other and it didn't seem to be much of affect.

i think thats because peter didnt know what he was up against... what this guy could do.... granted, he didnt know what the cheerleader could do and he regenerated, but im sure he realized he could after he woke up when he should have been dead...

[tokenuser]

It won't be DL because

*spoilerish* ahead

there is a screen capture from the previews of the next episode of DL, Micha, and Nikki holding hands and running between cars from... something.I watched the spoiler after I made my post. Its not DL. I hoped it was Nikki/Jessica - her split personality annoys the crap out of me.

[bravestarr]

I was waiting for that when Peter saved the cheerleader. Him and Sylar were going against each other and it didn't seem to be much of affect.

i'm shure it will come into play next episode, i mean he's gotta bust out of the cuffs somehow. unless Nathan's got pull in Texas, which i doubt.

if i had to bet i'd say Eden or the Haitian will die during Sylar's break-out.

[diela]

I watched the spoiler after I made my post. Its not DL. I hoped it was Nikki/Jessica - her split personality annoys the crap out of me.

Something about the way Kristen (the E! website chick) worded her non-spoiler spoilers makes me think it's the senator. I'll see if I can find a real link and not just what someone copy/pasted at another forum I go to.

[tokenuser]

I guess tonight we all find out.

OK ... so far Peter has Saved the Cheerleader, and we know who/where Sylar is ... but I think the cliffhanger until next year is going to be a killer.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

does anyone else think nathan is a total douchebag?

[point5o]

does anyone else think nathan is a total douchebag?

It's expected...he's a politician.

[kramertron]

I guess tonight we all find out.

OK ... so far Peter has Saved the Cheerleader, and we know who/where Sylar is ... but I think the cliffhanger until next year is going to be a killer.

Yeah, especially since that's all they talk about in bumpers for it. "From the show that's known about its surprise endings, this one is going to REALLY surprise you" or something like that. I'm not entirely sure pumping a show solely for its surprise endings every episode is really the way to sell a show, what they need to do is show Hiro, lots of Hiro.

But I am excited to see what the cliffhanger is, maybe something to do with the mushroom cloud? How many days until that happens anyways?

[muled]

Message from the future, for the west coast, about Heroes. Watch the fraking episode. It was awesome. I did kinda see the ending coming though. But still I loved it.

[tokenuser]

Message from the future, for the west coast, about Heroes. Watch the fraking episode. It was awesome. I did kinda see the ending coming though. But still I loved it.Great episode, answers some questions, raises others ... loved the feedback loop :)

[blacksymbiote]

Tonight's Heroes was great! I love the new character interaction as the new sets of people are meeting up. But now it's a mid season break, and we have to wait far too long for new episodes! Noooooooo

[bravestarr]

... loved the feedback loop :)


yeah, that was dope as hell.


this show has taken a very dark and bad ass turn.

[tokenuser]

yeah, that was dope as hell.


this show has taken a very dark and bad ass turn.I was expecting their sharing of powers to be more like a private conversation, but I laughed at the feedback. The writers got that nailed beautifully.

[jonathanlondon]

Anyone else think that Peter's character is based on Little Nicky?

Post pictures if you can find 'em. Look at his lower lip when he talks, his stupid bang and his speech impediment.

Dude. It's Little Nicky!!! I think I just ruined the show for everyone!

[toastmstrgeneral]

48 days, start the countdown.

[kevmann16]

Anyone else think that Peter's character is based on Little Nicky?

Post pictures if you can find 'em. Look at his lower lip when he talks, his stupid bang and his speech impediment.

Dude. It's Little Nicky!!! I think I just ruined the show for everyone!

That's who it reminds me of.

Anyway this episode was great, 48 days away for the next on is so bad. I don't know how you could see the ending coming, unless MuleD means he guessed the end during the final scene, once I seen the reaction of the others I guessed it too but no way I could of guessed that before the dream began.

(wow its hard to write without spoilers)

So many new questions I need answering. Also I have mixed feelings about that Issac painting, it could make a super cool episode or a really tacky badly done episode, I have faith though.

"I have to find that sword"

[kevmann16]

Here is the side by side of Nicky Peter. Looks like Jon called this one.

http://static.flickr.com/100/314847344_2541a57db2_o.jpg

[diela]

"I have to find that sword"

I wonder if it occurs to Hiro that if he never finds the sword, he'll never have to face that dinosaur he saw in the painting?

[brothersho]

Anyone else think that Peter's character is based on Little Nicky?

Post pictures if you can find 'em. Look at his lower lip when he talks, his stupid bang and his speech impediment.

Dude. It's Little Nicky!!! I think I just ruined the show for everyone!

I thought that he'd just forgotten to breakout of his character as Rocky Balboa's son.

[soundwave2-0]

I wonder if it occurs to Hiro that if he never finds the sword, he'll never have to face that dinosaur he saw in the painting?

oh how simple time paradoxes would be if you were the one to control the space time continum.

there is no fighting it.

but i guess this is how dannyt sees ppl and dinosaurs being together.

epic.

[muled]

...
I don't know how you could see the ending coming, unless MuleD means he guessed the end during the final scene, once I seen the reaction of the others I guessed it too but no way I could of guessed that before the dream began.


SPOILERS!!!!





I can't say exactly when but during the first part of the ep I realized Peter takes powers and he has a hell of a time trying to control them. And I think everybody figured it would be the guy who was radioactive. But I figured Peter would absorb his power and not be able to control it, and boom. I'm not sure how it's going to play with everyone else being there to stop him or help him or what. That's what I meant.



END SPOILERS

I wonder if it occurs to Hiro that if he never finds the sword, he'll never have to face that dinosaur he saw in the painting?

Dinosaur? I thought it was a dragon. I swear I saw fire breathing.

[jonathanlondon]

Here is the side by side of Nicky Peter. Looks like Jon called this one.

http://static.flickr.com/100/314847344_2541a57db2_o.jpg

This had me laughing hard for a full minute. Thanks for the best birthday present I could get. HAHAHAHAHA! I'm still laughing! I called this shit!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Man! If this means I can't watch the show with a straight face anymore it's okay! Nikki's storyline was already boring me and Hiro started to make me think that American writers think Japanese people are morons... he's turning into a freaking Charlie Chan character and it's becoming insulting!

But man. MAN! This was funny as hell!

[diela]

Dinosaur? I thought it was a dragon. I swear I saw fire breathing.

Remember how Ando said, "But I thought you only painted the future?" implying that this was a painting of the past. You can't go much farther (with instant recognition) into the past than dinosaurs. That's clearly a T-Rex.

Plus: [inserting screencap of painting at a future time, no pun intended]

[divadawg9234]

I want to know what the full tattoo is going to be in the end... I don't think I've missed seeing the whole thing. From what you could see on Nikki/Ikkin/Jessica last night I'm guessing its going to be a strand of DNA or something to that effect... any other guesses?

[muled]

I want to know what the full tattoo is going to be in the end... I don't think I've missed seeing the whole thing. From what you could see on Nikki/Ikkin/Jessica last night I'm guessing its going to be a strand of DNA or something to that effect... any other guesses?

I think it's going to be a unicorn.


Ya I'm guessing the double helix.

[tokenuser]

I think that the broken DNA curve/tattoo is all we are going to see. the symbol being a strand of broken DNA makes sense, since the powers are supposedly genetic mutations.

Also ... did you notice that Jessica has it as a tattoo, but Nikki doesn't?

[divadawg9234]

Also ... did you notice that Jessica has it as a tattoo, but Nikki doesn't?
Hmm, I'll have to rewatch... I was thinking it was the other way around, because the time that I saw it was when she found DL's jacket and she was very Nikki at that moment... but maybe it was that seeing the jacket with the hole and the blood made Nikki take over... I was medicated when watching so I guess I'm not the best witness...

[abacusand13south]

Remember how Ando said, "But I thought you only painted the future?" implying that this was a painting of the past. You can't go much farther (with instant recognition) into the past than dinosaurs. That's clearly a T-Rex.

Plus: [inserting screencap of painting at a future time, no pun intended]

Definite spoilers ahead if you havent seen the latest episode

Plus Hiro said what if I step on a bug? And he was clearly referencing A sound of Thunder and the butterfly effect (not the movie) so yeah definately a dinosaur.

But wow so much stuff happened in this episode, im really said that Eden is most likely dead but that room kept Sylar powerless so how did he pull her through the glass? Ive been happy with the Jessica/Nikki and DL story since the beginning when other people were saying its crap but there is still nothing really happening with it besides here turning her self in and its losing my interest. Hiro needing to get the sword and fight a dinosaur would be sweet but I think the sword will be in a museum or something and the dinosaur would be fake. Claires dad mind wiping everyone was crazy but im wondering what the Haitian is up to now, he obviously wants her around for New York but whats his deal in the whole thing. And what made Peter have that vision? I think the second half of the season is going blow the first half away with The List and the new characters that will be involved in it. Awesome show.

[abacusand13south]

Also ... did you notice that Jessica has it as a tattoo, but Nikki doesn't?

I noticed that also, so at first it made me think that Nikki wanted to kille DL and that Jessica was the one hunting for him and the Jessica started talking and I realized its Nikki that has the tattoo.

[bravestarr]

Plus Hiro said what if I step on a bug? And he was clearly referencing A sound of Thunder and the butterfly effect (not the movie) so yeah definately a dinosaur.




i thought he was talkin bout the Simpson's when Homer time travels using a toaster?

[tokenuser]

Hiro referenced slaying dragons in his converation with Charlie a couple of episodes back.

Hiro needs to slay his dragon?

[toastmstrgeneral]

But wow so much stuff happened in this episode, im really said that Eden is most likely dead but that room kept Sylar powerless so how did he pull her through the glass? I

I just assumed Eden cleared the way and once she swiped the card or whatever so she could break him out the room lost it's powers. Unless the room never was the one stopping him to begin with, and the hatian being at the cheerleader's was what actually allowed it. I can see psylar trying for hours/days to use his powers to get out to no effect and finally giving up to wait for a more opertune chance. With Eden coming in, that could've been the marker for him to try his powers again.

[soundwave2-0]

I just assumed Eden cleared the way and once she swiped the card or whatever so she could break him out the room lost it's powers. Unless the room never was the one stopping him to begin with, and the hatian being at the cheerleader's was what actually allowed it. I can see psylar trying for hours/days to use his powers to get out to no effect and finally giving up to wait for a more opertune chance. With Eden coming in, that could've been the marker for him to try his powers again.

i don't think she was trying to break him out of the room. she was going to give him the gun through the drawer and have him kill himself. i think her shooting herself in the head tells us sylar doesn't eat the brains...he needs to examine it...course i could be wrong.

i think it is going to be VERY interesting to see what happens when Peter gets close to the hatian. Will Peter's power be stiffeled or will he be able to borrow from the hatian and in turn switch of the hatian's power.

[tokenuser]

I get the feeling that Claire's dad has the "blocking powers" power ... like Matt the cop said, it was like static. The haitian does the mind wipe - but does he produce the static as well?

[soundwave2-0]

I get the feeling that Claire's dad has the "blocking powers" power ... like Matt the cop said, it was like static. The haitian does the mind wipe - but does he produce the static as well?

interesting...but i think they showed the haitian standing around the corner from matt for a reason.

plus whenever they show a person trying to us their power on claire's dad he always makes it a point to look at the haitian or introduce him to the person.

what is up with the haitian telling claire to act like she doesn't remember...very interesting.

[divadawg9234]

what is up with the haitian telling claire to act like she doesn't remember...very interesting.
I know... I was wondering about that too. I have a theory but I'd have to go back and watch all the episodes again to solidify it... I think that Claire is the first person we've seen him talk to. Maybe he's been pretending he's mute to get to Claire and we're going to find out that they need eachother (or at least he needs her help) for something... I don't know, but I cannot wait until January!

[soundwave2-0]

I know... I was wondering about that too. I have a theory but I'd have to go back and watch all the episodes again to solidify it... I think that Claire is the first person we've seen him talk to. Maybe he's been pretending he's mute to get to Claire and we're going to find out that they need eachother (or at least he needs her help) for something... I don't know, but I cannot wait until January!

i think he works for a different agency...maybe claire's dad is really a bad guy in a way. kind of like he is willing to do bad things because he feels the end result is for the good....or maybe he is just loosing his control on his henchmen...i mean what's her name was going to go against his orders and have sylar kill himself.

on a sorta related note. i have a cpl friends that are having a baby. they are not geeks at all and don't watch heroes...guess the babies name???

sylar!!!

[bravestarr]

... I think that Claire is the first person we've seen him talk to.


i'm not 100% but i thought i saw him talking with Claire's dad when Matt was spying on them.


also, how do the people on the show magically know he's Haitian if he never talks? another hidden power maybe.

[soundwave2-0]

i'm not 100% but i thought i saw him talking with Claire's dad when Matt was spying on them.


also, how do the people on the show magically know he's Haitian if he never talks? another hidden power maybe.

obviously they are granted the super power of political correctness.
it is their gift..it is their curse.

[xxxthundercatxxx]

I think Hiro is just at a museum when we see him fighting the T-Rex. He is probably just playing around with a sword he "borrowed" from it's display.

[point5o]

So it looks like the heroes are going to be playing keep away between Peter and Radioactive dude.

The Haitian is my n****. He's the black, walking Xavier :D

[muled]

But wow so much stuff happened in this episode, im really said that Eden is most likely dead but that room kept Sylar powerless so how did he pull her through the glass? ...


When she came into the room you could hear a power down kinda sound (benefit of surround sound). I'm guessing she had to turn it off so she could use her voice command power to tell him to kill himself.

[muled]

But wow so much stuff happened in this episode, im really said that Eden is most likely dead but that room kept Sylar powerless so how did he pull her through the glass? ...


When she came into the room you could hear a power down kinda sound (benefit of surround sound). I'm guessing she had to turn it off so she could use her voice command power to tell him to kill himself.


also, how do the people on the show magically know he's Haitian if he never talks? another hidden power maybe.

I actually had that thought last night. Then I just figured it was my naiveness about what a Haitian looks like, cause to me he just looks like a black guy.


The Haitian is my n****. He's the black, walking Xavier :D

What the hell swear word starts with n?

[slowmtnsilhouette]

i dont think sylar got eden's power... she shot herself in the head... damaging her brain... and unless sylar has some power that can turn brain mush back into a functional brain, he couldnt have possibly been able to absorb her power....

[wallymartin]

So does Peter have some sort of clairvoyant power, cause he has had visions before? maybe he picked off some power from Sylar when he was close to him and thats why he was so sickl last episode.

[wallymartin]

i dont think sylar got eden's power... she shot herself in the head... damaging her brain... and unless sylar has some power that can turn brain mush back into a functional brain, he couldnt have possibly been able to absorb her power....


Yea i dont think he got her powers either, she knew that by killer herself she would stop him from getting stronger. sucks to see her go, i was really starting to like Eden. Cant wait for new episodes in january.

[psbp516]

WHO WAS RIGHT MOTHER****ERS!!!
LOOK BACK WHO HAS BEEN TELLING EVERYONE EVER SINCE EPISODE 3!!! THAT PETER IS THE ONE THAT BLOWS UP NEW YORK!!! GOD DAMN I WAS RIGHT!!!
sorry....
Anyway good episode. I felt bad about eden. She should have know that sylar had already figured out her powers...

[atomusk]

so the explosion is caused by radioactive dude(Nitro kinda) getting too close to Peter and makes him blow up,
or is it that, cause hes borrowing so many mutants powers that it be comes overwhelming for him and he blows. Did anyone notice when the Haitian dude and Claire where near Peter, he didnt look to hot, maybe he cant handle more than one power at once, maybe it starts ****ing with his body

[blacksymbiote]

Hasn't Peter had these flashes before? He knew when his brother was hurt in the car accident. He had the vision about flying. He also had a dream about when the old man died. Maybe he DOES have more than one power! :eek:

[psbp516]

Hasn't Peter had these flashes before? He knew when his brother was hurt in the car accident. He had the vision about flying. He also had a dream about when the old man died. Maybe he DOES have more than one power! :eek:

Maybe he got it from the black guy because he absorbed it when the black guy was dieing. Maybe the power works better when he has an emotional connection to the person? eh that's gay. Nevermind.... IDK

[drthunder]

i dont think sylar got eden's power... she shot herself in the head... damaging her brain... and unless sylar has some power that can turn brain mush back into a functional brain, he couldnt have possibly been able to absorb her power....

They said he changed his DNA with the other peoples DNA so he might not need the brain. He probably enjoys splitting skulls.

Is the little boys power like Forge from the X-men or what?

[psbp516]

They said he changed his DNA with the other peoples DNA so he might not need the brain. He probably enjoys splitting skulls.

Is the little boys power like Forge from the X-men or what?

He examines the brain to see how it works and supposedly takes some of it.

Yes

[abacusand13south]

I think Hiro is just at a museum when we see him fighting the T-Rex. He is probably just playing around with a sword he "borrowed" from it's display.

I said that exact same thing in my long winded post, glad to see im not the only person thinking that there be an actual dinosaur on the show.

[conbon]

I don't know if anyone said this already, but maybe because all those heroes run past Peter in his vision, his body starts absorbing the powers of everyone who goes by and can't handle it all at once, so he explodes.

[kramertron]

I don't know if anyone said this already, but maybe because all those heroes run past Peter in his vision, his body starts absorbing the powers of everyone who goes by and can't handle it all at once, so he explodes.

I think he absorbs the power of the guy whos body can heat up to extreme temperatures and emits a crap load of radiation.

[tokenuser]

I don't know if anyone said this already, but maybe because all those heroes run past Peter in his vision, his body starts absorbing the powers of everyone who goes by and can't handle it all at once, so he explodes.If he explodes, Claires power must have put him back together - because future Hiro almost didn't recognise Peter "without the scar" ... perhap a piece was missing when he went back together?

[blacksymbiote]

If he explodes, Claires power must have put him back together - because future Hiro almost didn't recognise Peter "without the scar" ... perhap a piece was missing when he went back together?

But future Hiro wanted him to save the Claire, meaning she had died, meaning her power wouldn't be around to put him back together to give him the scar. The scar must come from something else... maybe the nuclear explosion they're all trying to stop isn't even what future Hiro is refering to when he says "save the world"... maybe Peter got the scar when the blast went off, but survived, and they all lived in a hell-world like in Jericho, and then far down the line they needed her to be around for some other reason all together.

This show is so cool.

[bravestarr]

But future Hiro wanted him to save the Claire, meaning she had died, meaning her power wouldn't be around to put him back together to give him the scar. The scar must come from something else... maybe the nuclear explosion they're all trying to stop isn't even what future Hiro is refering to when he says "save the world"... maybe Peter got the scar when the blast went off, but survived, and they all lived in a hell-world like in Jericho, and then far down the line they needed her to be around for some other reason all together.

This show is so cool.

or maybe, just maybe, Claire needs to live inorder to use the greatest power of all, love, to stop her Dad from destroying the world ... maybe the Haitian knows something we don't know...


yes, it is so cool.

[psbp516]

No she makes him stop exploding. And to the previous poster, someone already has said that. ME ON 11/10 *****

[eaasness]

maybe the nuclear explosion they're all trying to stop isn't even what future Hiro is refering to when he says "save the world"...

My thoughts exactly, Hiro said "save the world" not save New York.

I just wonder what was making Peter sick, even when he was around Claire with her healing ability.

Also whats up with the painting of the "Human Torch"? Is that Nathan or someone else?

[blacksymbiote]

Remember how in one episode it was said that the most common form of mutation is cancer or a tumour? And then we found out that the waitress had a tumour in her brain... one would assume caused by the same mutation that gave her super memory, or pressure from the tumour triggered something in her mind to unlock, giving her that power. Perhaps something similar is happening with Peter. He's got some kind of cancer along with his powers. Maybe that's why he's sick...

Another theory that just occurred to me... maybe Sylar's power is to alter his own DNA, as hinted at in the last episode. Maybe Peter's encounter with Sylar made Peter alter his own DNA just slightly, not knowing what he was doing, as he usually is when he first gets someone else's power. Maybe he made himself sick with a power he picked up breifly from Sylar. Or it could have been some weird combo of Sylar and Claire's powers? Who knows....

[tokenuser]

or maybe, just maybe, Claire needs to live inorder to use the greatest power of all, love, to stop her Dad from destroying the world ... maybe the Haitian knows something we don't know...


yes, it is so cool.The haitian DEFINATELY know something we dont know ... like, you know how Claire is adopted? What is he was her real father!! OMG ... plot twist.

OK ... its getting late for me. Be gentle.

[atomusk]

What if Claire is like the princess of a mutant village or some dookie like that

[satansmagichat]

Another theory that just occurred to me... maybe Sylar's power is to alter his own DNA, as hinted at in the last episode. Maybe Peter's encounter with Sylar made Peter alter his own DNA just slightly, not knowing what he was doing, as he usually is when he first gets someone else's power. Maybe he made himself sick with a power he picked up breifly from Sylar. Or it could have been some weird combo of Sylar and Claire's powers? Who knows....


Then why would he need to slice off the top of their skull? I dont think the writers are trying to confuse people with the powers part.

[diela]

But future Hiro wanted him to save the Claire

You know, he never said Claire, he just said "Save the Cheerleader". Seems to me that it's possible they failed. It's not like Isaac's paintings are photo-realistic and you can tell one blonde cheerleader from another.

What if Jackie's father ends up being someone important later, and gets pissy or turns evil because Claire and Peter let her die?

[toastmstrgeneral]

You know, he never said Claire, he just said "Save the Cheerleader". Seems to me that it's possible they failed. It's not like Isaac's paintings are photo-realistic and you can tell one blonde cheerleader from another.

What if Jackie's father ends up being someone important later, and gets pissy or turns evil because Claire and Peter let her die?

I think the point of the ambiguity has already played out, as in sylar and peter not knowing which cheerleader is which and thus which to attack/save.

[blacksymbiote]

Then why would he need to slice off the top of their skull? I dont think the writers are trying to confuse people with the powers part.

That's a good point... althought he could just be really messed up. Maybe he wants to play around in their brain matter to know what's going on, or what area of the brain he needs to change in his own? He might just need to look at the insides, like playing around with a watch. I think he's just really crazy, I mean, he seems to hear ticking sounds come from their heads... and last time i checked, people didn't tick.

[s3ven]

That's a good point... althought he could just be really messed up. Maybe he wants to play around in their brain matter to know what's going on, or what area of the brain he needs to change in his own? He might just need to look at the insides, like playing around with a watch. I think he's just really crazy, I mean, he seems to hear ticking sounds come from their heads... and last time i checked, people didn't tick.



i know a guy in school that ticks.. his name is Bob. know him?

[darknessgp]

But future Hiro wanted him to save the Claire, meaning she had died,...

That's a bad assumption. Just because future Hiro said "save the cheeleader, save the world" It implies nothing more than the cheerleader will be in danger of lossing her life. Perhaps, like with the waitress, Hiro is always part of the equation. i.e. Hiro going back didn't change anything, as when it "played out" with meeting her and then her dying, she had already met Hiro. i.e. That picture on the wall with Hiro was always there, it's just Ando didn't notice it until after Hiro left. So, for the cheerleader part, current Hiro knows that he will go back in time to tell Peter "save the cheerleader, save the world" and he will have a sword. So, the future Hiro may just be going back to tell Peter because he remembers that he was told a future him did that. i.e. He needs to do it or the cheerleader may die. It's totally like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, when they are at the gas station and see their future selves, and because of that when they become the future them they know exactly what to say, as they have heard it before.

[blacksymbiote]

That's a bad assumption. Just because future Hiro said "save the cheeleader, save the world" It implies nothing more than the cheerleader will be in danger of lossing her life. Perhaps, like with the waitress, Hiro is always part of the equation. i.e. Hiro going back didn't change anything, as when it "played out" with meeting her and then her dying, she had already met Hiro. i.e. That picture on the wall with Hiro was always there, it's just Ando didn't notice it until after Hiro left. So, for the cheerleader part, current Hiro knows that he will go back in time to tell Peter "save the cheerleader, save the world" and he will have a sword. So, the future Hiro may just be going back to tell Peter because he remembers that he was told a future him did that. i.e. He needs to do it or the cheerleader may die. It's totally like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, when they are at the gas station and see their future selves, and because of that when they become the future them they know exactly what to say, as they have heard it before.

Yeah, I see what you mean. It's kinda like in the TimeSplitters game (that was a good game). Only Hiro does change some things, as the waitress didn't recognize Hiro when he and Ando first showed up, and they show the picture from her birthday and Hiro isn't in it until after he chrono-ports away. So those past events hadn't actually happened yet. Ugh, time travel.

I figure he can only nudge the time line. I mean, he can only do things that would either happen anyways, i.e. the Japanese phrase book, or wouldn't really effect the overall time line, like being at Charlie's birthday party and becoming her friend. But as soon as he's about to do something that would drastically change what's "already" happened, he's ripped away, almost like by an unseen force. Maybe there's some kind of being over him that grants him his powers and that's why he didn't have them afterwards? But that sounds super far fetched and way too complicated. Maybe he just has a time-limit on his time powers, and he was in the past for so long, eventually he ran out of power, was auto-reset to a familiar place to his subconscious, and then he had no powers cause they had to "recharge" or something. Ah, whatever the reason, the show's still good. I'm just tossing out ideas here, I make no claim that any of them are actually right. :p

Anyways, if he can only nudge the time line, then that would make sense why he could only risk giving a hint to Peter instead of just going to do it himself. Course he did mention that whole rift thing... i wonder if we'll ever see that?

[darknessgp]

umm, the thing about the waitress "not remembering" could just be that she is playing like she hasn't met him before. Remember, she knows what his powers are as he told her in her past. He is the one that gave her the japanese phrase book and taught her some japanese. That's how she knew how to say "you are sweet" even though it isn't in the phrase book. About the picture, I went back and watched that episode and that seems to be the only thing that change/can't be explained with him already being in the past.

On the "bounce back" my friend had a good idea. Basically Hiro exists in only one time line, so if he goes back in time, the time he left keeps going forward. However, he can only stay outside of his time for a certain amount of time. So 6 months isn't too far back, not as much as future hiro jumped. But at some point his power is too weak to hold him in the past time and he gets shot back to the time he should be. Like pushing a stone ball up a hill, at some point you are not strong enough and the ball rolls back down the hill.

and saying major vs minor changes would change the main functionality of his power... i.e. if some things are deemed more important (i.e. major changes) it implies some intelligence, when in reality it is probably equal. i.e. a change is a change whether things go from waitress having a blue pen instead of a black one or the world is blown up prematurely.

[briangilmore]

If peter does just blow up, why doesn't Nathan stop being such a puss, and fly him up into the atmosphere?

anyway, just kinda bumpin this thread, cause it's one of the best ones i've ever seen, and caldy decided to bump old, stupid threads. :)

[darknessgp]

briangilmore, your making the assumption that his dream/vision is prophetic. We know that it probably isn't as he hasn't been close to Isaac. It would make more sense that these are just an expression of Peter's emotions or they represent something and are not meant to be taken so literal. i.e. When we was dieing to prove to someone that he could fly he had the dream that he was showing the old guy he could fly.

Also, I think there is a connection part to it. Kind of like his power is more than just having others powers but he can actually feel or see or something what they do. That would at least explain the vision with his brother's car crash. I'm not sure what the vision with him exploding means. I'm doubtful it's actually him that explodes, but peter also wasn't around the radiation guy, if he is the one to explode. Perhaps it is Sylar that explodes. With peter being so close to Sylar it would explain both the Nathan turning into Sylar and explosion (assuming Sylar is the one that explodes) With the Nathan turning into Sylar makes sense as Sylar had some "evil" tendencies before turning evil, which would align with how peter sees nathan.

[jawapunkin]

briangilmore, your making the assumption that his dream/vision is prophetic. We know that it probably isn't as he hasn't been close to Isaac. It would make more sense that these are just an expression of Peter's emotions or they represent something and are not meant to be taken so literal. i.e. When we was dieing to prove to someone that he could fly he had the dream that he was showing the old guy he could fly.

Also, I think there is a connection part to it. Kind of like his power is more than just having others powers but he can actually feel or see or something what they do. That would at least explain the vision with his brother's car crash. I'm not sure what the vision with him exploding means. I'm doubtful it's actually him that explodes, but peter also wasn't around the radiation guy, if he is the one to explode. Perhaps it is Sylar that explodes. With peter being so close to Sylar it would explain both the Nathan turning into Sylar and explosion (assuming Sylar is the one that explodes) With the Nathan turning into Sylar makes sense as Sylar had some "evil" tendencies before turning evil, which would align with how peter sees nathan.

i'm even more confused now

[briangilmore]

briangilmore, your making the assumption that his dream/vision is prophetic. We know that it probably isn't as he hasn't been close to Isaac. It would make more sense that these are just an expression of Peter's emotions or they represent something and are not meant to be taken so literal. i.e. When we was dieing to prove to someone that he could fly he had the dream that he was showing the old guy he could fly.

Also, I think there is a connection part to it. Kind of like his power is more than just having others powers but he can actually feel or see or something what they do. That would at least explain the vision with his brother's car crash. I'm not sure what the vision with him exploding means. I'm doubtful it's actually him that explodes, but peter also wasn't around the radiation guy, if he is the one to explode. Perhaps it is Sylar that explodes. With peter being so close to Sylar it would explain both the Nathan turning into Sylar and explosion (assuming Sylar is the one that explodes) With the Nathan turning into Sylar makes sense as Sylar had some "evil" tendencies before turning evil, which would align with how peter sees nathan.


although you make a good point, i think it's safe to say that Peter's dreams might be prophetic and/or clairvoyant, because he predicted the car accident of nathan's, he could talk to the recently dead, and furthermore he saw how he himself might be the problem. I was talking about in Peter's dream, though, and sort of fecisciously that yeah, peter was gonna blow up, but why let him destroy New York and not just fly him up there yourself?


I also prescribe to the idea that Future Hiro was talking about something that is not the explosion, because he says save the world not New York. Has there been any kind of proof that the bomb might go beyond New York?

[jackstrap]

umm, the thing about the waitress "not remembering" could just be that she is playing like she hasn't met him before. Remember, she knows what his powers are as he told her in her past. He is the one that gave her the japanese phrase book and taught her some japanese. That's how she knew how to say "you are sweet" even though it isn't in the phrase book. About the picture, I went back and watched that episode and that seems to be the only thing that change/can't be explained with him already being in the past.
or his future self tryed to save her by making them meet and gave her the japanese phrase book? or something like that. Did he gave her a book in the past ? i don't remember.

[abacusand13south]

Possible Spoiler for upcoming episodes

Source: TV Guide December 13, 2006

Fans of NBC's Heroes were shocked to see Isaac's painting of Hiro fighting a dinosaur, with his sword no less, in the fall finale of the popular new series. But is it something we'll actually get to see? Yup! TV Guide reports:

I'd want to read minds like Greg Grunberg does, that way I'd know if Masi Oka was pulling my leg when he told me last week that we "will see Hiro fighting a T-Rex" — hence the painting in the fall finale. "Don't forget," he added, "I [have a part-time job at] Industrial Light and Magic. You never know when I'll whip out a CGI dinosaur."

"Heroes" returns with new episodes on January 22.

[bigyanks]

Possible Spoiler for upcoming episodes

Source: TV Guide December 13, 2006

Fans of NBC's Heroes were shocked to see Isaac's painting of Hiro fighting a dinosaur, with his sword no less, in the fall finale of the popular new series. But is it something we'll actually get to see? Yup! TV Guide reports:

I'd want to read minds like Greg Grunberg does, that way I'd know if Masi Oka was pulling my leg when he told me last week that we "will see Hiro fighting a T-Rex" — hence the painting in the fall finale. "Don't forget," he added, "I [have a part-time job at] Industrial Light and Magic. You never know when I'll whip out a CGI dinosaur."

"Heroes" returns with new episodes on January 22.

oh man the possibilites! thats gonna be awsome.

[muled]

"Don't forget," he added, "I [have a part-time job at] Industrial Light and Magic. You never know when I'll whip out a CGI dinosaur."


I love how he just throws that out there. Ya I act and do CGI for ILM on the side. No big deal.

My money is on Hiro going back in time. Seeing the T-Rex and a "oh shit" look on his face before he teleports out. But not an epic battle. He'd just freeze time and take it out at the legs with the sword.

[darknessgp]

or his future self tryed to save her by making them meet and gave her the japanese phrase book? or something like that. Did he gave her a book in the past ? i don't remember.

I rewatched the 6 months ago episode, and yes, Hiro does give her the Japanese phrase book. So, everything but the picture from when she died seems to fit with the "she's already met Hiro and going back was always part of it" The picture may just be that she hid it and put up a different one, and then when she died they were putting up the memorial and they found the pic with Hiro, and put it up as she loved him so much.

[satansmagichat]

The picture may just be that she hid it and put up a different one, and then when she died they were putting up the memorial and they found the pic with Hiro, and put it up as she loved him so much.

Or this show is completely inconsistent with their theories on time travel.

[eaasness]

For any one here who didn't know Heroes was nominated for a Golden Globe(Best Television Series - Drama).
Masi Oka was also nominated for a Golden Globe (Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Series, Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for Television).

[darknessgp]

Or this show is completely inconsistent with their theories on time travel.

I'd be doubtful of that, considering how big of a geek Masi Oka is and the fact that they know fans will question it. Perhaps, they did that for effect more than consistency. I've seen shows before go against what they just set up to make it more dramatic. Plus, it wouldn't make sense for them to show the b-day party pic with Hiro in it when they had showed the one that he wasn't in.

[kbraaten]

i actually really enjoy this show...
it just gives off the real cool aura type thing to me,
i am definitely not enjoying these Mondays with out it

[bigyanks]

someone called it, in the ever before seen fottage during the heroes marathon, Hiro is in a museum holding the sword in his hand!

[darknessgp]

someone called it, in the ever before seen fottage during the heroes marathon, Hiro is in a museum holding the sword in his hand!

yep. But the dinosaur that was painted wasn't a skeleton... so, there is still hope for him fighting a real one.