MARVEL Civil War Talk (*SPOILERS*, MAIN TITLE, SPINOFFS). LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE!!!

[briangilmore]

Ok, I got it yesterday.

Holy ****. I'm worried about Spider-Man. How is he going to escape?


I hope the fight doesn't take up too much of the next Amazing, and more of the next Civil War. I think Sue Storm and everyone else who switched sides is going to welcome him witih open arms. That fight should be ****ing great though!

Also, I hope MJ and May are safe. Where would they go now with all the super villains out to get them?! AAAAH!!! I wanna go into the future and find out.

I think he can get out of Stark's clutches pretty easy, but don't see how he's going to find all the non-conformists. What do you think?


AND WHO IS THAT MASKED MAN FROM CIVIL WAR #4?

[silent_shadow900]

I hope the fight doesn't take up too much of the next Amazing, and more of the next Civil War. I think Sue Storm and everyone else who switched sides is going to welcome him witih open arms. That fight should be ****ing great though!

Also, I hope MJ and May are safe. Where would they go now with all the super villains out to get them?! AAAAH!!! I wanna go into the future and find out.

I think he can get out of Stark's clutches pretty easy, but don't see how he's going to find all the non-conformists. What do you think?


AND WHO IS THAT MASKED MAN FROM CIVIL WAR #4?

Ok, first of all, post order is ****ED.

About MJ and May though, that definitely should be Peter's Primary concern, as they could be considered sympathizers and put in jail.

That masked man is going to get more important they say.

[briangilmore]

MAN, who got Amazing Spiderman#535?! WHO?!

[silent_shadow900]

Ok, I got it yesterday.

Holy ****. I'm worried about Spider-Man. How is he going to escape?

[elker]

I can't believe that Peter decides to switch sides now, AFTER he goes and reveals his identity to the public! :rolleyes:

Dude I can't wait to see this fight, but like JLo said Peter has got to lose that ****ing suit!
It's gathering info on his abilities and spying on him and shit.

As for the guy in the mask from Cival War #4...
It's already confirmed that the punisher is going to be in the next issue, so I bet it's him.

[briangilmore]

I can't believe that Peter decides to switch sides now, AFTER he goes and reveals his identity to the public! :rolleyes:

Dude I can't wait to see this fight, but like JLo said Peter has got to lose that ****ing suit!
It's gathering info on his abilities and spying on him and shit.

As for the guy in the mask from Cival War #4...
It's already confirmed that the punisher is going to be in the next issue, so I bet it's him.



dude, that was my second guess!!! BRIAN GILMORE CALLED IT!!! (after he realized it wasn't nick fury b/c the guy has TWO eyes...)

JLo then said that Frank Castle might not give a ****.

but hey...where is Bruce Banner in all this? I haven't read anything with him in it. Can anyone help? What's going on with him lately? He hasn't called, he hasn't written...

[point5o]

but hey...where is Bruce Banner in all this? I haven't read anything with him in it. Can anyone help? What's going on with him lately? He hasn't called, he hasn't written...

He's on another planet.

In the 2006 storyline "Planet Hulk" by Greg Pak, after the Hulk destroys much of Las Vegas, a secret group of superheroes traps the Hulk and rockets him into space to live a peaceful existence on a planet uninhabited by intelligent life. After a trajectory malfunction, the Hulk travels through a wormhole and crashes on the violent planet Sakaar. Weakened by his journey through the wormhole, the Hulk is sold as a slave. In a gladiatorial arena, he makes a deadly enemy when he scars the emperor's face. The Hulk overcomes great odds to become a gladiator, a rebel leader, and a conqueror.

Starting May 2007, the Hulk will be the focus of a Marvel event called World War Hulk. Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada claims it will affect everyone and rival Civil War in impact, although be smaller in volume of titles. It will be written by Grek Pak and pencilled by John Romita, Jr.

[poltah]

I actually don't think they'll welcome Spidey with open arms. I think cap is going to reject him, tell him to piss off.

And yeah, Hulk is on another planet. Read the Planet Hulk comics, it's pretty cool. It's all about Hulk getting better at fighting, and destroying everything that gets in his way.

[silent_shadow900]

I hope the punisher kicks ass as much as he does in his MAX title.

[briangilmore]

I actually don't think they'll welcome Spidey with open arms. I think cap is going to reject him, tell him to piss off.

And yeah, Hulk is on another planet. Read the Planet Hulk comics, it's pretty cool. It's all about Hulk getting better at fighting, and destroying everything that gets in his way.

duuude, cap will accept him totally and here's why:

in amazing spiderman #534 cap tries to convince peter before they fight. he respects peter and peter thinks he's lost cap's respect forever. cap is better than that, he's not some tyrant, he's a guy who sympathizes with those who have their heart in the right place. captain america is marvel's superman in that he is the marvel universe's moral compass. so seeing him on this side youjust knew it was gonna end up this way. plus in #534, after the fight, when he knows the sides are fighting, peter leaves cap's shield behind, when he could have taken it. he actually webs it to somewhere that only cap could get to, after some thugs are trying to steal it. i wouldn't be surprised if cap did it on purpose!

[proglodyte]

Well I picked up Amazing Spider-Man #535 today. Great read and very interesting in light of the Civil War event. Looks like I might be picking up a Spider-Man title regularly for the first time in more years than I can remember.

[poltah]

duuude, cap will accept him totally and here's why:

in amazing spiderman #534 cap tries to convince peter before they fight. he respects peter and peter thinks he's lost cap's respect forever. cap is better than that, he's not some tyrant, he's a guy who sympathizes with those who have their heart in the right place. captain america is marvel's superman in that he is the marvel universe's moral compass. so seeing him on this side youjust knew it was gonna end up this way. plus in #534, after the fight, when he knows the sides are fighting, peter leaves cap's shield behind, when he could have taken it. he actually webs it to somewhere that only cap could get to, after some thugs are trying to steal it. i wouldn't be surprised if cap did it on purpose!

I don't know man. I have read 534, but try and reread Civil War #4. Cap is VERY bitter, and it looks like he's very, very angry. AND, very disappointed.

[briangilmore]

I don't know man. I have read 534, but try and reread Civil War #4. Cap is VERY bitter, and it looks like he's very, very angry. AND, very disappointed.


well then maybe Peter's presence will lighten him up. With sue storm and jonny joining them (jonny did, right?...haven't been reading FF, but remember something about two members of the FF joining) as well, it seems like cap should start cheering up enough to calm down. He IS really bitter, but he is not mad (as in crazy mad), he's just disappointed. And he's also stuck with a lot of the B-List heroes with a lot of the top ones against him, who have been friends with him for decades, so I'm sure that's a cause of bitterness, too. Maybe with seeing how some of them are coming around, things'll start looking up for him. Final cap vs. tony, though. oh man.

and i wanna know how tony will eventually turn around too. what about him/his actions are going to inspire enough sympathy for us to want to pick up any iron man after civil war? that's what i'm sayin.

[jonathanlondon]

dude, that was my second guess!!! BRIAN GILMORE CALLED IT!!! (after he realized it wasn't nick fury b/c the guy has TWO eyes...)

JLo then said that Frank Castle might not give a ****.

but hey...where is Bruce Banner in all this? I haven't read anything with him in it. Can anyone help? What's going on with him lately? He hasn't called, he hasn't written...

What is wrong with you!?! You're not reading The Hulk or the Planet Hulk storyline!?! They shot Banner into SPACE!! HE'S GONE!!

But not for long... The huge crossover NEXT summer is called Hulk World War... just announced. Looks like Ol' Greeney is coming back... and he's PISSED OFF!!! Art by my favorite artist: John Romita Jr.!!!

[jonathanlondon]

And I wouldn't worry about MJ and May... they can just wear Iron Man suits like they did when they went to Latveria during "The Other"... shudder... okay. Never mind. Let's pretend those two issues never happened...

[briangilmore]

And I wouldn't worry about MJ and May... they can just wear Iron Man suits like they did when they went to Latveria during "The Other"... shudder... okay. Never mind. Let's pretend those two issues never happened...

hahahaha! but they saved peter and fought! hahahaha. the other was the best spiderman trade ever written right? right?...

haha, **** whoever wrote that shit. i know straczinsky (who's dick i constantly suck on these forums) did a lot of that story and the backbone of it, but did he really approve that ****ing scene? time travelling for a vacation? jesus.

and yeah, never been a big hulk fan. Should I really pick up the planet hulk? it in trades?

and man, Frank Castle coming in to wipe up the Marvel Universe's shitty ass sounds great right about now.

I love the still shot of him in the fake Daily Bugle that came out a while ago.

[jonathanlondon]

hahahaha! but they saved peter and fought! hahahaha. the other was the best spiderman trade ever written right? right?...

haha, **** whoever wrote that shit. i know straczinsky (who's dick i constantly suck on these forums) did a lot of that story and the backbone of it, but did he really approve that ****ing scene? time travelling for a vacation? jesus.

and yeah, never been a big hulk fan. Should I really pick up the planet hulk? it in trades?

and man, Frank Castle coming in to wipe up the Marvel Universe's shitty ass sounds great right about now.

I love the still shot of him in the fake Daily Bugle that came out a while ago.

Planet Hulk has been entertaining. It'll make a nice trade later this year.

And you KNOW I can't wait for Frank to come back and start a new war. I hope he shoots those lame ass Thunderbolts first.

[silent_shadow900]

I still can't believe I bought that shit.

My friend was all: Iron man is getting all these villains together! And I told him, I said "no, that looks lame." Then I saw the end of Civil War #4, and I was all: "Oh shit, I need to get these," so I went and bought the three Civil War comics. Sure, while it gave some insight about the prison in the negative zone, it didn't really have much else going for it.

But, the more I know, right? Civil war right now is really a good way for me to test the Marvel waters.

On an unrelated note, I picked up daredevil, starting with the Arc with him in prison. HOLY SHIT. Now I'm hooked, and I've bought every one since. The guy at the comic store says to buy some of Bendis's work on it, and I may do just that. But man, Jlo was right, once the punisher comes in, it just keeps getting better. Now I'm debating whether I should get Punisher: War journal, but I'm not sure. I saw the MAX title of the Punisher, and it looks very awesome.


[edit]Just a reminder kids, go here (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380) to vote on your favorite Civil War comic.

[jonathanlondon]

I still can't believe I bought that shit.

My friend was all: Iron man is getting all these villains together! And I told him, I said "no, that looks lame." Then I saw the end of Civil War #4, and I was all: "Oh shit, I need to get these," so I went and bought the three Civil War comics. Sure, while it gave some insight about the prison in the negative zone, it didn't really have much else going for it.

But, the more I know, right? Civil war right now is really a good way for me to test the Marvel waters.

On an unrelated note, I picked up daredevil, starting with the Arc with him in prison. HOLY SHIT. Now I'm hooked, and I've bought every one since. The guy at the comic store says to buy some of Bendis's work on it, and I may do just that. But man, Jlo was right, once the punisher comes in, it just keeps getting better. Now I'm debating whether I should get Punisher: War journal, but I'm not sure. I saw the MAX title of the Punisher, and it looks very awesome.


[edit]Just a reminder kids, go here (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380) to vote on your favorite Civil War comic.

I can't wait for Punisher Warzone. Pick up a copy of the Welcome Back Frank trade paperback and you'll be fairly good to go.

And yes, Daredevil by Brubaker kicks all forms of ass. In 8 issues he's already made me as happy than the best arch in Bendis' run.

[silent_shadow900]

Thanks Jlo.

[comradelazyman]

So i just picked up amazing spiderman #534 & #535. They are very good, so good call on that people thanks. I did enjoy #534 more though because of that whole spiderman cap senario and the respect with the shield. I loved the line "Then he throws it. Throws the symbol of the whole freaking country at me." But man, at the end of #535 what is up with stark, he seems to have actually totally lost his mind. It made me laugh how he tackles spidey through a wall and they're still going with the general chat like oh it's you again. It reminds me of what happened to batman in dc continuity where after identity crisis he just turned into a sort of husk of what he used to be with the paranoia and trust issues. I feel that ironman is definately in a similar situation with a re- kick start of the ironman series where they'll bring him back to prime.

[poltah]

I didn't like how they use like 5-6 pages of the new FF issue to tell the exact same story that happens in Amazing Spider-Man. THat's bullshit.

[silent_shadow900]

Yeah, I had picked it up today. Funny thing is, they told it in a way that would have made more sense in Spider-man. The way they told the same story in Fantastic Four was sub-par, and it felt out of place. The way Iron Man was listening in on their conversation would have made more sense in Spider-Man, and the focus on Reed would have made more sense in FF.

That being said, I don't like the artwork in FF.


Also, I just picked up Frontline on Jlo's reccomendation today. I have to say, I'm dissapointed. It isn't really good. I actually became bored reading it.

[jonathanlondon]

Yeah, I had picked it up today. Funny thing is, they told it in a way that would have made more sense in Spider-man. The way they told the same story in Fantastic Four was sub-par, and it felt out of place. The way Iron Man was listening in on their conversation would have made more sense in Spider-Man, and the focus on Reed would have made more sense in FF.

That being said, I don't like the artwork in FF.


Also, I just picked up Frontline on Jlo's reccomendation today. I have to say, I'm dissapointed. It isn't really good. I actually became bored reading it.

I actually LIKE the retelling of the two points of view in FF. This is the 2nd time this has happened because Things quitting during the transportation was told in 2 different POVs also. Although it's the exact same dialogue, I love the added info that Tony is listening in. Is Tony becoming as sympathetic or doubtful as Reed is? I don't think you can lump this in as easy as "they reprinted the same 6 pages twice" because there's new perspective and slightly different info. And I REALLY like the artwork in FF. This dude is a really good artist! The expressions during the Reed/Sue argument are really well conveyed!

And yeah, Frontline is a series that I enjoy because it fills in a few gaps. Besides being a huge Speedball fan, I think that the Ben Urich story is actually pretty good. I think that the poems at the end are absolutely TERRIBLE and borderline disrepectful to people who really did die in real wars and actually sacrificed themselves for causes that are now being used to illustrate ficticious events in a comic book. I DO think that that stuff is retarded as all hell.

[poltah]

I agree on the last part Jlo, but not the first.

It's okay to tell the story through another POV, but they could've accomplish the same thing with 2 pages, or with 1.

[comradelazyman]

Yeah I like what is going on with speedball in frontline instresting coming from the prisoners perspective in the negative zone. It may be kinda boring to read sometimes but if you follow it things will click. Like with the reporter and the green goblin.

[silent_shadow900]

I just don't like how much you need to invest in frontline to get a good story. The story with the atlantean sleeper cell I thought was interesting, but for the first two issues, nothing happens besides that you figure out what he's doing there.

The comic also deals with a bunch of no-name supers that I just wasn't interested in.

[briangilmore]

I actually LIKE the retelling of the two points of view in FF. This is the 2nd time this has happened because Things quitting during the transportation was told in 2 different POVs also. Although it's the exact same dialogue, I love the added info that Tony is listening in. Is Tony becoming as sympathetic or doubtful as Reed is? I don't think you can lump this in as easy as "they reprinted the same 6 pages twice" because there's new perspective and slightly different info. And I REALLY like the artwork in FF. This dude is a really good artist! The expressions during the Reed/Sue argument are really well conveyed!




completely agree. When this type of shit happens, it's like a flashback (maybe even a black and white flashback) in a movie where you see the same scene, but with something slightly different going on. It TOTALLY transforms a scene from something that just brought the story along into something incredibly suspenseful. Big fan of that shit...when done correctly.

[dante75067]

First Spidey can take Stark. Spidey has kicked almost ever super villian/hero's butt at one time or the other. He has even taken out one of Galactus's hearlds (Firelord, not Silver Surfer). Death wouldn't even take him once because she even had a soft spot for ole' Pete. Captain America is almost as big of a fan of Spidey as Spidey is of him. I think the end will have to do with The Sentry. He is supposed to be the most powerful hero ever, and tends to wipe out everone's memory of him after major events, which will help a certain unmasked friend of ours. They need to wrap this story line up and anything else would leave to many messy loose ends.

[briangilmore]

First Spidey can take Stark. Spidey has kicked almost ever super villian/hero's butt at one time or the other. He has even taken out one of Galactus's hearlds (Firelord, not Silver Surfer). Death wouldn't even take him once because she even had a soft spot for ole' Pete. Captain America is almost as big of a fan of Spidey as Spidey is of him. I think the end will have to do with The Sentry. He is supposed to be the most powerful hero ever, and tends to wipe out everone's memory of him after major events, which will help a certain unmasked friend of ours. They need to wrap this story line up and anything else would leave to many messy loose ends.



oh my god, you're right. that ****ing sucks. i've also heard that the scarlet witch's shit was never truly wrapped up, the house of m. story line, so she could do some shit too.

see, that sucks so many different hairy men's balls b/c the "messy loose ends" are exactly what I think the Marvel Universe needs and I want for once in their god damned lives for these people to grow some balls themselves (and maybe they can even be sucked...by the idea of their storylines...) and ****ing change shit around. Rock the boat, see how it goes. That's what I though Marvel was doing, but if they're not, I will be thoroughly disappointed.

[poltah]

It would SUCK if it just changed back to normal. I hope they have the balls to actually keep Peter's identity public for at LEAST a couple of years.

Change the ****ing Marvel universe!

[briangilmore]

It would SUCK if it just changed back to normal. I hope they have the balls to actually keep Peter's identity public for at LEAST a couple of years.

Change the ****ing Marvel universe!

we should picket outside marvel


CHANGE THE ****ING MARVEL UNIVERSE!

CHANGE THE ****ING MARVEL UNIVERSE!

[bcool]

I'm one of the comics for people who don;t like comics people. the thing is, now I think I do... Is this accessable at all for marvel noobs? i downloaded the first couple to check em out and I didn't know what the hell was going on or who a lot of them were. should I try it for a few more books/issues/whatever? Is the reading checklist in the back realistic to be able to understand?

[briangilmore]

I'm one of the comics for people who don;t like comics people. the thing is, now I think I do... Is this accessable at all for marvel noobs? i downloaded the first couple to check em out and I didn't know what the hell was going on or who a lot of them were. should I try it for a few more books/issues/whatever? Is the reading checklist in the back realistic to be able to understand?



I promised myself I'd stop posting at 10pm, but oh man do i wanna help you...here's what I said in the "what you've been reading" forum that's stickied:


hey mattk. I'm Brian. Welcome :) here's my two cents:

Do not ever read Civil War until you've at least gotten to respect Captain America as the Marvel Universe's moral compass, and as a true patriot in every sense of the word.

A lot of people don't respect Captain America ("Cap"), but they very well should. After he denounced America and became "Nomad", he then decided not to stand so much for the country he lives in, but the ideals it was founded upon of freedom and truth. At least what he originally enlisted b/c of, and later he went back to "Captain America".

He is like the Superman of the Marvel Universe. Everyone trusts him, everyone respects him, and his word is often what goes, no matter what. He is the most honorable man in the Marvel Universe an absolutely amazing fighter, and an epic figure. He is the moral compass for everyone in that Universe and should be respected....

anyway, leading up to Civil War, I would read:

New Avengers Trades #1,2,3(to get a feel for some of the key players in Civil War)
Amazing Spiderman: New Avengers, (trade after that that isn't out yet...)

Then after you love Cap and see him as amazing, then and only then will the intended emotional impact of the events in Civil War work on you at all.

Also, if I were to tell you to invest in one continuing series to actually buy, I would say Y:The Last Man. Absolutely amazing.


DEFINETELY PICK UP CIVIL WAR...BUT FIRST:

do what i said above and most importantly, pick up

Civil War:Files.

It's basically the origin of everyone involved in Civil War from Tony Stark's perspective, but it's essentially a catch-me-up for people just like you, buddy, so pick that up (it came out last month and is not a trade, it's a 4 dollar single issue and very much worth picking up), do what i said above and ENJOY the WONDER which is CIVIL WAR!!!

[bcool]

I promised myself I'd stop posting at 10pm, but oh man do i wanna help you...here's what I said in the "what you've been reading" forum that's stickied:





DEFINETELY PICK UP CIVIL WAR...BUT FIRST:

do what i said above and most importantly, pick up

Civil War:Files.

It's basically the origin of everyone involved in Civil War from Tony Stark's perspective, but it's essentially a catch-me-up for people just like you, buddy, so pick that up, do what i said above and ENJOY the WONDER which is CIVIL WAR!!!
thanks man, appreciate it.

[poltah]

Also, I find Wikipedia.com very helpful when reading stuff like this. When they mention something like M-day or Genosha that you might not be familiar with, or some character you don't know anything about, just read what Wikipedia has to say about the subject.
It's pretty cool, and helped me a lot.

[big-doze]

Thought it might be fun to get some perspectives on this one. If it's already been covered in another forum, then please ignore this thread so that it disappears.

In Civil War #4, as all good geeks know, a masked figure appears for only a few panels, watching as three heroes leave Cap's Secret Avengers. He says nothing, but he certainly looks sinister and his very presence in the issue implies that he'll be rather important in issues to come.

So, the question... Just who [I]is[I] that guy?

Hawkeye was my first assumption, but upon further consideration I had an epiphany: What if it's Tony Stark? He's been secretly playing both sides of the fence from the beginning, only acting like a government toadie to throw the people in power off his trail. His true intentions? Who knows, but it would make sense regarding how to make Tony likable again after CW is all said and done.

Anyone else?

[briangilmore]

Thought it might be fun to get some perspectives on this one. If it's already been covered in another forum, then please ignore this thread so that it disappears.

In Civil War #4, as all good geeks know, a masked figure appears for only a few panels, watching as three heroes leave Cap's Secret Avengers. He says nothing, but he certainly looks sinister and his very presence in the issue implies that he'll be rather important in issues to come.

So, the question... Just who [I]is[I] that guy?

Hawkeye was my first assumption, but upon further consideration I had an epiphany: What if it's Tony Stark? He's been secretly playing both sides of the fence from the beginning, only acting like a government toadie to throw the people in power off his trail. His true intentions? Who knows, but it would make sense regarding how to make Tony likable again after CW is all said and done.

Anyone else?

i said this earlier but my hope, more than my guess...but my HOPE is that it's frank castle. but why would he have a mask on?...b/c people are out lookin for him. he's a badass, he's not stupid.

[bigyanks]

i stumbled upon these pics trying to find the release date of civil war 5 look like Frank is joing the war. Civil War #5 Varient Covers (http://72.32.138.96/news/comicstories.696?&utm_source=stories%2B-%2Btab%2Bbox&utm_medium=link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.696%3F)

[comradelazyman]

i stumbled upon these pics trying to find the release date of civil war 5 look like Frank is joing the war. Civil War #5 Varient Covers (http://72.32.138.96/news/comicstories.696?&utm_source=stories%2B-%2Btab%2Bbox&utm_medium=link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.696%3F)

mystery solved

[klitzy]

Question....Has there ever been a civil war movie? Like a patriot civil war movie?

[comradelazyman]

Question....Has there ever been a civil war movie? Like a patriot civil war movie?

I believe it was called 'The Patriot'!

[bravestarr]

Question....Has there ever been a civil war movie? Like a patriot civil war movie?

"patriot's" were the American Revolution (1700s). there've been a f-ton amount of Civil War flicks (1860s), like Glory for example.



as for this stranger dude, i'm thinkin it might be the same stranger who's unleashing the Green Goblin. hard to say. if so i doubt it's Castle.

[klitzy]

I believe it was called 'The Patriot'!

Patriot was The Revolutionary War.

[bigyanks]

we have to wait a whole month for the new civil war i think there putting out a one shot comic or did already.

[briangilmore]

IT'S THE FIFTEENTH BIATCHES! IT'S TIME FOR CIVIL WAR #5. When I get off a school you KNOW I'm gonna be on here telling y'all *****es I was right about the masked man being Frank Castle. **** Hawkeye, or a new character. I think it's frank castle "yeah but why would he hide?" there's a ****in government price on his head b/c of the Civil War weather in the country they're really crackin down on vigilantes like him. I'm telling you, guys. Can't effin wait. the ones that look most interesting this week and that i'm pickin up (civil war wise) are:
-civil war
-iron man #!3
-New Avengers

shit yeah guys. shit yeah.

[wookiewombat]

im pretty stoked for #5, but right now i cannot stand Bendis' New Avengers, i think its junk, thankfully ive been picking it up in trade format so now i get disappointed only 4-5 times a year.

[bigyanks]

when do the punisher war journals come out?

[wookiewombat]

War Journals comes out this month.

[briangilmore]

when do the punisher war journals come out?



i think they come out next week with FF and Amazing.

[atomusk]

IT'S THE FIFTEENTH BIATCHES! IT'S TIME FOR CIVIL WAR #5. When I get off a school you KNOW I'm gonna be on here telling y'all *****es I was right about the masked man being Frank Castle. **** Hawkeye, or a new character. I think it's frank castle "yeah but why would he hide?" there's a ****in government price on his head b/c of the Civil War weather in the country they're really crackin down on vigilantes like him. I'm telling you, guys. Can't effin wait. the ones that look most interesting this week and that i'm pickin up (civil war wise) are:
-civil war
-iron man #!3
-New Avengers

shit yeah guys. shit yeah.

MUAHAHAHAHHAHA
picking up:
-civil war
-cable/deadpool

and maybe something else, any recommendations

[wookiewombat]

im a huge Deadpool fan, so i pick up the Cable and Deadpool but thats no longer a Civil War tie in book. Only tie-ins i pick up is Frontline which is pretty good. Other then that, ill just wait for a nice trade collecting em all.

[atomusk]

im a huge Deadpool fan, so i pick up the Cable and Deadpool but thats no longer a Civil War tie in book. Only tie-ins i pick up is Frontline which is pretty good. Other then that, ill just wait for a nice trade collecting em all.

yea Frontline is sexy, i think im gonna pick up xmen first class

[wookiewombat]

yea Frontline is sexy, i think im gonna pick up xmen first class

in my opinion i bought the first issue and thought it was horrible. Just a lame x-men story that has no meaning. The art was OK, but i wasnt a fan of the story.

[poltah]

OKAY *****ES, It's ON!
I just read Civil War issue 5, and what a load of crap.

The art was beautiful as usual, but the only way this issue could've been any good is if you don't read the Spider-Man civil war stuff, and didn't know about him switching sides, and/or if you're that one dude who didn't figure out that The Punisher was the guy with the ski mask.

There's absolutely NO story in this issue god dammit. Did I miss something reading it?

The other 4 issues was cool, there were always stuff in them you didn't know from reading the tie-ins.

This issue, not so much. I'm so disappointed.

Of course I'll still be buying all the tie-ins and issue 6 and 7, but still. I was actually a little bored reading this.

[strazz127]

hey i thought civil war 5 was pretty decent but compared to the last 4 it wasnt as good by far i mean revealing that the ski mask guy was punisher (reall shocking...not) compared to goliath being killed by a calogne of thor???? just doesnt compare but there was one thing i just didnt get in the very end when daredevil gave stark the silver coin and said now u have 31 pieces of silver what'd he mean i dunno i didnt get it.

[strazz127]

did any one get it

[blacksymbiote]

Ah! Oh no! Having to stay late at school meant I couldn't go pick it up! NoooOO! I need my fix!

[big-doze]

but there was one thing i just didnt get in the very end when daredevil gave stark the silver coin and said now u have 31 pieces of silver what'd he mean i dunno i didnt get it.

Isn't that a biblical reference? I think Judas sold out home boy for 30 silver pieces to the Romans, so maybe DD (or Iron Fist, if you're paying attention) was making a crack about how Stark is a big time sell out.

[poltah]

Yup. Judas got 30 pieces of silver for betraying Jesus.
Which makes Captain America Jesus I guess.

I wonder if that piece of silver is some sort of tracking thingie, or if it's just a coin.

Also, who else thinks that Stark can track Spideys suit?

Anyways, where the heck is Jlo to disagree with me and call me a jackass.

[paulsaves]

Yup. Judas got 30 pieces of silver for betraying Jesus.
Which makes Captain America Jesus I guess.

I wonder if that piece of silver is some sort of tracking thingie, or if it's just a coin.

Also, who else thinks that Stark can track Spideys suit?

Anyways, where the heck is Jlo to disagree with me and call me a jackass.

Yeah I agree with you. Stark probably put a tracking device in that suit, and I think that'll be the reason why he goes back to his original suit (if he does).

[comradelazyman]

Yeah I agree with you. Stark probably put a tracking device in that suit, and I think that'll be the reason why he goes back to his original suit (if he does).

most probably. But

*SPOILER*

Apparently after this everyone is out for spidey. So instead of using his original suit he dons the black because he's trying to get a good reputation back as the public hate him.

*END SPOILER*

But i thought it was an ok issue. The fight between spidey and ironman was kinda anti-climatic. Just how many bombs to the face can spiderman take?

[jonathanlondon]

Yup. Judas got 30 pieces of silver for betraying Jesus.
Which makes Captain America Jesus I guess.

I wonder if that piece of silver is some sort of tracking thingie, or if it's just a coin.

Also, who else thinks that Stark can track Spideys suit?

Anyways, where the heck is Jlo to disagree with me and call me a jackass.

No dude. I agree with you 100%. I called Gilmore and yelled at him for 5 hours about this issue. The only good thing about it were the exploding head shots and that splashpage.

Other than that I was like "WHAT!?!". I'm sorry. But the cover of the issue promised us: VENOM. BULLSEYE. THE GREEN GOBLIN. And we get these Batman villain REJECTS instead!?! That is a ****in' RIP!!!! I want to see the real threats and the real villains.

And if Stark DIDN'T put a tracking device in that suit he's a moron. And likewise, why would they put a tracking device in a the silver dollar if they already KNOW where Stark and the Negative Zone gate is? Peter's been through it!

"I've been the one in the ski mask covering your asses"? or some shit like that? COME ON!! When!?! We saw you ONCE standing around! Don't tell us, Mr. Millar! SHOW US! Don't show us the END of the FF and Daredevil fights! SHOW US THE FIGHTS! I snoozed through this issue!! I'm out!

-London (or at least that's what Cap would call me even if he's fought by my side for 20 years... DUDE! His name is "Luke" NOT "Cage"... "Cage" is what Stark would call him... come on... you've got Super Soldier Serum in your VEINS! Heal already so this plot can move forward again like it was in issue 4!). I'm with Poltah!

[blacksymbiote]

*Spoilers*

That's not the only suit he goes back to, and it's not just some black cloth. ;)

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?book_id=5960

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?book_id=6018

There was another one in which the book description actually mentions the symbiote too... but at the moment I can't find it. I think it was a future Spider-Man Family.

It all starts going down in March, and just in time for the movie to hit!

[poltah]

"I've been the one in the ski mask covering your asses"? or some shit like that? COME ON!! When!?! We saw you ONCE standing around! Don't tell us, Mr. Millar! SHOW US! Don't show us the END of the FF and Daredevil fights! SHOW US THE FIGHTS! I snoozed through this issue!! I'm out!

-London (or at least that's what Cap would call me even if he's fought by my side for 20 years... DUDE! His name is "Luke" NOT "Cage"... "Cage" is what Stark would call him... come on... you've got Super Soldier Serum in your VEINS! Heal already so this plot can move forward again like it was in issue 4!). I'm with Poltah!

Bwaahah, then you're not a total retard like I thought. KIDDIN!
You rock man.


But yeah, this issue was stupid.
Also "I've been the one in a ski mask covering your asses".

Okay, I like the Punisher. He's a ****ing bad ass. The Welcome Back Frank story by Ennis is ****ing great.

But seriously, if Spider-Man wanted too, he could take that ****er out in a second.

"You're gonna need my special op training to get into THE SHIELD HEADQUARTERS!"

It's ****ing SHIELD, they invented special ops.

[avig]

So I'm joining this thread a bit late... but overall I agree about 5. Frankly, while I'll continue buying the series cause I'm a sucker like that, I've been kind of dissapointed in th Civil War in general.

Here's my biggest problem, I frankly still don't really know what the hell this is all about. This issue Stark says it was either registration or nothing and that sheds a bit more light on his reasoning beyond just the "the law is the law blah blah blah) but it's a bit too little too late when up to know it's just been "I'm a futurist, this is where it's headed I'm right cause I have a cool goatee and a problem with womanizing. We've yet to actually see a really good argument from the Cap's side. This was supposed to be a book with some ideas, heck, Joe Q was talking about this as if it was gonna be a watchmen like experience. But mostly it's been the government is bad cause it makes people look like jerks, and cap being pouty cause he doesn't like being told what to do. I feel like they're not really doing a good job of making either side all that likable. If I were in the marvel U seeing this play out I would actually be voting for all these guys to be put down like dogs, both sides. Plus, the heavy involvment in shield is really messing with what their supposed to be. They better make a clear choice about Shield being A US military force otherwise someone from some other gov is going to a bit pissed about how much time the helecarrier is spending in NYC.

ok. Rant over.

Oh and was anyone else hoping that ski mask dude was gonna be a cool revamp of Foolkiller instead of the obvious use of Punisher. Or am I just weird and outing myself as having an affinity for one of the often most gay themed costume vigilantes ever.

[poltah]

I agree. I thought this would be a fight between two right sides. Between heroes.

But right now, it's just the usual fight between bad guys and good guys.

The problem isn't that Tony is wrong. Actually, I think he's right. If superheroes existed, I would expect us (yeah, cause I would be one) to get the proper training and stuff like that. It's a miracle that something like Stamford doesn't happen more than it does.

But Mark Millar is just portraying Tony's side like the wrong side, and adding like 100 villains to the team doesn't help a lot. And Spidey switching side is really just a way of saying "Oh, Tony is soooooooooo wrong".

He should have given more important heroes to Tony's side. The Young Avengers would have been good, people like them, it would've made sense.

Also, I think it would've been awesome if Cap had rejected Spider-Man. I really thought that would happen in Issue 5.

Cap just being like "get away you ****ing judas, I don't want you in my army. You betrayed us, **** you!"


However, pick up the Civil War Iron Man issue that just came out, it does some good.

Oh, and the best thing about the latest New Avengers is the "In next Issue ......" won't spoil.

[silent_shadow900]

That was merely OK. I really was hoping for more. It was good to see the punisher again, but yeah "covering your backs?" I mean, back that shit up. Come on. I REALLY wanted to see some Venom in this issue.

[blacksymbiote]

I've read all the main Civil war books, but not many of the side stories besides Spider-Man, and I actually never even noticed a ski-masked guy at all... maybe I just forgot when he was in, but whenever it was it must not have been anything major, and yet they're treating it like it's something huge. I was also actually surprised at how quickly Spidey's new "super suit" shreaded like his old one. I thought this one was supposed to be more that "just cloth".

[briangilmore]

alright guys, i talk about civil war 5 in this next episode and here's what i want to add to what I said :

Civil War 5 was a great issue. Sure it's not completely action packed and the very front of it is leading you away from what is really INSIDE of it, BUT there are moments in this issue that will go down in Marvel history.


-Splash page of Frank Castle carrying spiderman in to Cap's hiding place

-Frank Castle shooting some bullshit villains (and Jonny Boy, that's WHY
those characters sucked, so they could have that moment and it was worth it).

-Jonny and Sue Storm being introduced as outlaws and leaving once and for all.

-The prospect of these outlaw heroes going on MISSIONS and us having the possibility of seeing some of them.

-and "daredevil" gets arrested. it's not really him, but they think he's arrested, could make for a great comeback.

Civil War is not a story about insane action sequences and ridiculously intricate wars and battles. It is a story about the characters and their reactions to the events that have gone on in their lives because of this "civil war" and the lack of action makes this issue amazing b/c you get to see the REACTIONS of all the heroes to these insane events AS they're happening.

This story is not so much about killing huge monsters or anything or showing off cool powers, but it's what YEARS, no, DECADES of this stuff has done to society and how they are going to deal with a change in the status quo as human beings.

As I say in ep52, pick up episode 52. It's ****ing awesome.

[poltah]

What, do we have to stare at your ugly face in episode 52? Jesus Christ.

Guess I have to skip that part.


Anyways.

THe problem with issue 5 is that nothing happens we didn't know about. The DareDevil thing is okay. But I mean, we all knew that dude was punisher. We all knew Spidey was going to switch sides and that he was fighting Tony.
We all knew Sue and Johnny had left and became outlaws.

And once again, this issue is totally making Tony the bad guy.

[briangilmore]

What, do we have to stare at your ugly face in episode 52? Jesus Christ.

Guess I have to skip that part.


Anyways.

THe problem with issue 5 is that nothing happens we didn't know about. The DareDevil thing is okay. But I mean, we all knew that dude was punisher. We all knew Spidey was going to switch sides and that he was fighting Tony.
We all knew Sue and Johnny had left and became outlaws.

And once again, this issue is totally making Tony the bad guy.

exactly, and like i said above, while Civil War has a lot of huge events IN it, it doesn't revolve around those events but the effects that it has on those who we care about and how they handle it and what they do with the situation as CHARACTERS.

That's why we see the Storms as wife and husband and black haired back from a "mission", that's why we see cap not fully recovered contemplating what to do with peter and then frank castle. that's why there wasn't a huge fight between spiderman and the two shitty villains he DOES fight (in this issue), and that's why tony comes off as one dimensional

(but at this point, actually, you even see him caving when he doesn't want to lose peter, he tells the shield operatives to stop, not so much so peter can't get away, but because he knows he is losing his friends and losing peter, his one last true friend in this fight, might provide just a little more leeway towards him becoming a "good" guy again. but keep in mind, Tony killed over 200 civillians when his armor went apeshit again recently right before civil war, so he has THAT on his mind and that's why he goes for registration harder than anyone else)

anyway, this issue wasn't action packed but it was REaction packed and that's the best part of Civil War. (not the best issue, but also not a bad issue at all, still great).

[poltah]

I don't care about the action. There was no story in this one. Nothing happened that either already happened in another issue, or we all was going to happen.

[briangilmore]

I don't care about the action. There was no story in this one. Nothing happened that either already happened in another issue, or we all was going to happen.



the events are not was was important. the art, and in that, the reactions of the characters are what was important. the way cap just accepted peter and frank castle and how you can see that even he as a leader for decades was overwhelmed with what was going on. sure we all knew that a lot of if was going to happen, but if you knew it was going to happen, why be disappointed? that stuff needed to happen, and it did.

too much is going on in the head of both cap and tony and you're beginning to see the fabric of the civil war either weaken or grow stronger. Tony's side is planning for the "final battle" or whatever, and this is what this issue is preparing you for. i think it's establishing exactly what the sides will be and how everything will go down. maybe peter won't even be able to be a part of it. we've seen the new thunderbolts in action, we've seen spidey decide to leave in the last issue of amazing, we've seen everything we need to see for these although not TOO exciting (i thought they were), but necessary events to transpire.

All in all, we have this issue as a set up for the next. not with an obvious cliffhanger, not with extreme action or the death of a valued C-level character (actually yeah we did...two of them), but with a really lovely reaction and post-action to the events or "battles" within the civil war that is going to yield the battlefield for the "final" one which is bound to happen in the next two issues. This issue was key, it was a set up, and once 6 and 7 come out, i think we'll see just how important and awesome this issue was.

[poltah]

Oh, I actually think the events are very important. Because you can have both cool stuff happening, and the characters reaction.

I hope Captain America doesn't just accept Spider-Man, that's just alittle too easy.

[poltah]

Okay mother****ers.

Gilmore, I just saw Episode 52. I DO like, X-men 3, but you are so ****ing wrong about Issue 5.

NOTHING HAPPENED IN THAT ISSUE! NOTHING!

Needed to get that off my chest brother. Soon I'm going to fight you in a field of grain.

[jadedhalo]

Alright guys, I'm going to make my foray back into comics with Civil War. Anyone have a list of comics i need to get to be up to date?

[silent_shadow900]

I bought Punisher: War journal yesterday.

It isn't very good. Stay away from it.




If you want to get up to speed on civil war, buy Civil war and the amazing spider-man.

[vegasgeek]

Does anyone else think that the person wearing the Dare Devil suit...isn't him?

[briangilmore]

Does anyone else think that the person wearing the Dare Devil suit...isn't him?


It isn't him. It's Daniel Rand The Iron Fist himself, keep up, momma!:)

[silent_shadow900]

I read the new Iron Fist. I like it. I guess it takes place after the civil war or before it though.

[kramertron]

I started up on Civil War a month and a half ago and I just caught up with Civil War #5. I definately agree that nothing really happened in this comic, but I still found it entertaining, but I tend to like anything a series puts out after I'm invested in the story. It's hard for 5 to follow #4, that last moment with Goliath wife giving Stark the Iron Man toy was easily the most moving moments in comics.

I'm with blacksymbiote on never noticing ski-mask Punisher.

Also, has anyone picked up DC's competing 52 series? I picked up Week 1, and what a load of crap it was. Goodness, it made me love Civil War that much more.

[viscountradu]

i have only been reading the Spidey comics and have missed out on a lot. what is going on with Venom (Mac Gargan)? i heard he's out of jail and working pro-registration now. is that right?

[poltah]

i have only been reading the Spidey comics and have missed out on a lot. what is going on with Venom (Mac Gargan)? i heard he's out of jail and working pro-registration now. is that right?


Yup, that's right.

[vegasgeek]

yeah man, i believe it's called operation Thunderbolt? i guess...i don't know, i'm, under the influence...of booze.

[vegasgeek]

It isn't him. It's Daniel Rand The Iron Fist himself, keep up, momma!:)

You sure? I'm not sure. I'm such a marvel semi-newb.

[leeahd]

Fuck CIVIL WAR this book is crap and is going to make me stop reading marvel comics. Thats my two cents, just wanted to through it out there. (I can elaborate if anyone is interested)

[satansmagichat]

Fuck CIVIL WAR this book is crap and is going to make me stop reading marvel comics. Thats my two cents, just wanted to through it out there. (I can elaborate if anyone is interested)

No, go ahead and elaborate. Although, to be fair, I see your point. So in essence, I'll elaborate for you.

Firstly, the slogan the ENTIRE time to the build up to Civil War was "Which Side Are You On?" I expected that to mean that they would make a compelling argument for BOTH anti-registration and pro-registration. At first, it seemed possible. But now, they have completely abandoned making a good argument for pro-registration and have left it all to thinly veiled metaphors about the war in Iraq. You don't like the war in Iraq? Me either. But your ****ing job is to MAKE COMICS!!!

Also, I'm a HUGE whore, apparently, cuz I've been picking up the tie-ins left and right. For the most part, they suck. Civil War: X-Men had nothing to do with Civl War (it was an alright read, but I thought we were past mediocrity in comics) . Also, Young Avengers/ Runaways had absolutely nothing to do with Civil War. And then there's Captain America, which was getting real good until Brubaker bit the CW bullet. New Avengers is actually pretty good, and Fantastic Four. But most of these tie-ins are repeating over, and over, and OVER again the ****ing argument about "Gee, I thought I was pro-registration, but now I'm not so sure!" Did anyone read Ms Marvel? If not, don't. It is literally that argument repeated on 21 pages for four issues.

Now, I still like the main series, and frontlines, but I'm not NEARLY as excited about it as I used to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm still buying the series's I like. But the whole CW thing is being milked too much. Even Eternals, which I was really getting into, bummed me out when 3 issues into it you find out that despite the cover not having anything to do with Civil War, it really IS a CW book. Fortunately Gaiman's doing a good job avoiding that (as is Brubaker with Daredevil, thank God!)

So Leeahd, I hope that sums up whatever you were gonna say. If you have anything to add, please do. I love hearing your input, since it's usually so much different than mine and gives me a much appreciated different perspective.

Oh, and another quick question. What side are YOU on? hardy ****ing har.

[leeahd]

No, go ahead and elaborate. Although, to be fair, I see your point. So in essence, I'll elaborate for you.

Firstly, the slogan the ENTIRE time to the build up to Civil War was "Which Side Are You On?" I expected that to mean that they would make a compelling argument for BOTH anti-registration and pro-registration. At first, it seemed possible. But now, they have completely abandoned making a good argument for pro-registration and have left it all to thinly veiled metaphors about the war in Iraq. You don't like the war in Iraq? Me either. But your ****ing job is to MAKE COMICS!!!

Also, I'm a HUGE whore, apparently, cuz I've been picking up the tie-ins left and right. For the most part, they suck. Civil War: X-Men had nothing to do with Civl War (it was an alright read, but I thought we were past mediocrity in comics) . Also, Young Avengers/ Runaways had absolutely nothing to do with Civil War. And then there's Captain America, which was getting real good until Brubaker bit the CW bullet. New Avengers is actually pretty good, and Fantastic Four. But most of these tie-ins are repeating over, and over, and OVER again the ****ing argument about "Gee, I thought I was pro-registration, but now I'm not so sure!" Did anyone read Ms Marvel? If not, don't. It is literally that argument repeated on 21 pages for four issues.

Now, I still like the main series, and frontlines, but I'm not NEARLY as excited about it as I used to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm still buying the series's I like. But the whole CW thing is being milked too much. Even Eternals, which I was really getting into, bummed me out when 3 issues into it you find out that despite the cover not having anything to do with Civil War, it really IS a CW book. Fortunately Gaiman's doing a good job avoiding that (as is Brubaker with Daredevil, thank God!)

So Leeahd, I hope that sums up whatever you were gonna say. If you have anything to add, please do. I love hearing your input, since it's usually so much different than mine and gives me a much appreciated different perspective.

Oh, and another quick question. What side are YOU on? hardy ****ing har.

First off I agree with pretty much everything you said.
As for this being my job I would happily draw CW if only they would ask.

As for some more specifics, the problem with CW is that's a good idea thats executed poorly. (I do how ever like the art)

In theory I'm on the registration side (depending on the details) but the way that they're doing it I don't think anyone could be on their side.
I just have a big problem with how the characters are acting and how friends feel like they are mortal enemies.
And of course the shit that is going down with spidey is just horrible.

I'm buying the series but when it's over I'm likely to drop most of my marvel books because of how they have been effected by CW.
Asside from that you pretty much nailed it.

[vegasgeek]

Just think...after the dust settles...the Hulk will start some shit.

[poltah]

I agree with everything you guys said. They did make a lot of wrong choices.

I think Captain America should've rejected Spider-Man, and it would've been cool if the Young Avengers had joined Iron Man.

I thought it was supposed to be a war between two right sides, two teams of heroes.
Instead it's a war between superheroes, and two-three superheroes and 1000 supervillains.

[briangilmore]

And of course the shit that is going down with spidey is just horrible.



I don't hate this series at all because, 1. it's better than House of M, 2. everything that's happening really isn't "out of character" as a lot of people are saying because I don't see any of this stuff as "out character".

Out of character means that a character does something that they would never do, and the reason I think that what people are doing is IN character, because this Civil War allows and forces you to think of everyone in the Marvel Universe as human.

Tony Stark killed a whole plane full of innocent people through his escapades as a hero and he feels guilty, embarassed, and like he owes the world something . He is overcompensating, and finally knowing that a man who was once an alcoholic is overcompensating about something in a waythat hurts his friends falls very in line with what character he was trying to be. Stark wasn't always inherently a hero like a lot of these guys until he came to an epiphone and was forced to see it. His becoming a hero was a matter of circumstance, not so much choice as the rest of these fools. He is essentially blinded by guilt and wants to keep going until basically he feels better, plus there is information which shield is witholding to the public about the death of the people on that plane (hmmm...death of innocents on a plane helping starting a war like this...just noticed that...).

In response to Satan, also, having political subject matter in comic books is nothing new (watchmen, v for vendetta, pride of baghdad...although that last one is a new book...), and it's something I enjoy and respect.

I do agree on the fact that they definetely should have made it more even handed, though, and that's the only thing I think it's wrong with it. I still love seeing shit hit the fan like it has, because SOOOOO much has changed and it keeps the Marvel Universe interesting and I think I'm going to pick up MORE comics after Civil War than I otherwise would from them.

Also, what is wrong with what's going on with Spidey?

(also, this is hella better than House of M hehehe

[satansmagichat]

In response to Satan, also, having political subject matter in comic books is nothing new (watchmen, v for vendetta, pride of baghdad...although that last one is a new book...), and it's something I enjoy and respect.


It's not the fact that it has political subject matter. That's fine with me. What I meant was that it's quite obvious that the writers are against the Patriot Act and War in Iraq, and therefore, instead of making a valid argument FOR the pro-registration people, they used their real life opinions in the Marvel Universe, where they are completely irrelevant. Being for registration should have nothing to do with the real world's political agenda. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but they definitely have no case for registration right now.

And saying this better than House of M is like saying "at least Bloodrayne was better than House of the Dead." Take that!

[psbp516]

When is civil war #6 coming out

[psbp516]

oh and the only other civil war spin-off that I've been picking up is spiderman. What else should I get? Is punisher, wolverine, new avengers any good?

[briangilmore]

When is civil war #6 coming out

I'm with psbp516's argument.

Anyway, I think that if you're going to make a series with political subject matter with a purpose, you should at least stick to the point you're trying to make, and by sticking to their opinions, they're allowing what is going on during CW (UPN+WB?...) to BE relevant. In the context of the story they obviously set out to make (we're yet to really see the conclusion), putting a political opinion in there is MORE than relevant because if you're going to make a point, make it. haha.

[satansmagichat]

I'm with psbp516's argument.

Anyway, I think that if you're going to make a series with political subject matter with a purpose, you should at least stick to the point you're trying to make, and by sticking to their opinions, they're allowing what is going on during CW (UPN+WB?...) to BE relevant. In the context of the story they obviously set out to make (we're yet to really see the conclusion), putting a political opinion in there is MORE than relevant because if you're going to make a point, make it. haha.

That's it *****, let's fight.

[briangilmore]

That's it *****, let's fight.


alright, sounds good. Hey guys WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

[satansmagichat]

alright, sounds good. Hey guys WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Think carefully, people. After all, I may be annoying with my constant posting this morning, and reviving dead threads. HOWEVER, Gilmore's a moderator, and therefore part of the establishment. I'm here against his totalitarian ways, so that makes me more like Captain America and Gilmore's Iron Man. Plus, he's creepy.

[briangilmore]

Think carefully, people. After all, I may be annoying with my constant posting this morning, and reviving dead threads. HOWEVER, Gilmore's a moderator, and therefore part of the establishment. I'm here against his totalitarian ways, so that makes me more like Captain America and Gilmore's Iron Man. Plus, he's creepy.


Actually, Satan is the one who is causing all this fall out (the spam threads of his) that are ruining the Marvel Universe (the forums), and doing so without questioning his friends (me, you, everyone we know...terrible movie) and then going to threaten something most of us know and love (civil war), i think HE'S more like stark and I'M more like captain america. Also, he's probably richer than me cause right now, i'm broke as F*CK.

Anyway Leeahd, respond to my shit when you can. :)

[satansmagichat]

Actually, Satan is the one who is causing all this fall out (the spam threads of his) that are ruining the Marvel Universe (the forums), and doing so without questioning his friends (me, you, everyone we know...terrible movie) and then going to threaten something most of us know and love (civil war), i think HE'S more like stark and I'M more like captain america. Also, he's probably richer than me cause right now, i'm broke as F*CK.

Yeah, the people can read your propaganda and fall right into your trap, or trust their own judgement. YOU'RE SOILING THE FORUMS WITH YOUR HATE SPEECH! And creepiness.

But yeah, that movie sucked.

[psbp516]

oh and the only other civil war spin-off that I've been picking up is spiderman. What else should I get? Is punisher, wolverine, new avengers any good?

Give me an answer!!! I don't have much time

[briangilmore]

Give me an answer!!! I don't have much time



two weeks? i feel lazy check marvel.com

[briangilmore]

two weeks? i feel lazy check marvel.com


and as far as spinoffs, good ones are:

Amazing Spiderman
Fantastic Four
New Avengers
Iron Man
(I personally didn't like Punisher War Journal for the most part, basically b/c of the art)

some people like Frontline as well.

[silent_shadow900]

If you're reading Civil war, you NEED to be reading Spider-man. Also, the Wolverine Story-arch was fun but not exactly necessary. Fantastic Four is alright, especially with all of the Thing stuff. I'd avoid Punisher: War Journal. Also, stay away from Civil War: X-men. Captain America didn't tie together really well either, and made no sense to me as I don't read Captain America and could really give two shits about S.H.E.I.L.D.

Iron Man, from what I read in his first issue, looks alright.

Cable & Deadpool was funny for one issue, then got boring.

Thunderbolts was OK, but was a mess of a comic.

Also, I didn't like Frontlines at all.

Did anybody like Avengers or not?

[leeahd]

I don't hate this series at all because, 1. it's better than House of M, 2. everything that's happening really isn't "out of character" as a lot of people are saying because I don't see any of this stuff as "out character".

Out of character means that a character does something that they would never do, and the reason I think that what people are doing is IN character, because this Civil War allows and forces you to think of everyone in the Marvel Universe as human.

Tony Stark killed a whole plane full of innocent people through his escapades as a hero and he feels guilty, embarassed, and like he owes the world something . He is overcompensating, and finally knowing that a man who was once an alcoholic is overcompensating about something in a waythat hurts his friends falls very in line with what character he was trying to be. Stark wasn't always inherently a hero like a lot of these guys until he came to an epiphone and was forced to see it. His becoming a hero was a matter of circumstance, not so much choice as the rest of these fools. He is essentially blinded by guilt and wants to keep going until basically he feels better, plus there is information which shield is witholding to the public about the death of the people on that plane (hmmm...death of innocents on a plane helping starting a war like this...just noticed that...).

In response to Satan, also, having political subject matter in comic books is nothing new (watchmen, v for vendetta, pride of baghdad...although that last one is a new book...), and it's something I enjoy and respect.

I do agree on the fact that they definetely should have made it more even handed, though, and that's the only thing I think it's wrong with it. I still love seeing shit hit the fan like it has, because SOOOOO much has changed and it keeps the Marvel Universe interesting and I think I'm going to pick up MORE comics after Civil War than I otherwise would from them.

Also, what is wrong with what's going on with Spidey?

(also, this is hella better than House of M hehehe

Ok I don't if CW is better than House of M but at least House of M served a purpose.

CW was supposed to be a fight between two right sides and clearly is not the case.
As far as characters acting out of character (boy I'm getting tiered of that word) I don't care how much Tony's over compensating I don't thing that he would be willing to put away his friends without trial and without a term of sentence. Nor do I think Tony or Mr. Fantastic would clone Thor (or partly clone) and they definitely would not use super villains.
If you're going to bring in this amount of reality to the books you have to take it all the way. For instance in the fight that Goliath died why get into a smack down like they did where there is obviously the chance of someone getting hurt. It seemed like Tony was almost enjoying beating the crap out of Cap. Why didn't he just use his ultra sonic thing as soon as he could and then have a huge shield task force along with the rest of the "heroes" arrest the non registers.

I might add that I don't mind books that are social commentaries (or political) but in this case I really think it's out of place and it's ruining the book, among other things.

As for what's going on with Spider-Man I'm not going to get into it too much but the unmasking was really ****ed up. And now that he decided he's on the wrong side Tony wants to take him in but he hasn't done anything illegal. Since when is disagreeing with someone illegal?(and don't make any cracks about since 9/11 or something like that) He's registered he can just hang up the tights and go about his life. Not that he would but Tony attacked him before he even did anything.

(The only good part was when Spidey undid Tony's over ride)

[vegasgeek]

(I personally didn't like Punisher War Journal for the most part, basically b/c of the art)

So then if we all went by art then Wolverine Origins would suck ass because the art in that book is lame as shit.

[viscountradu]

As for what's going on with Spider-Man I'm not going to get into it too much but the unmasking was really ****ed up. And now that he decided he's on the wrong side Tony wants to take him in but he hasn't done anything illegal. Since when is disagreeing with someone illegal?(and don't make any cracks about since 9/11 or something like that) He's registered he can just hang up the tights and go about his life. Not that he would but Tony attacked him before he even did anything.

Tony doesn't need a legal reason to take Spidey in. He is using the law only when it suits his own agenda. He is running an illegal detainment center where he is denying people their right to due process and Spidey has advertised that act to the masses now. Tony has to shut Spidey up for good or the people might vote to stop the Registration Act.

[briangilmore]

Tony doesn't need a legal reason to take Spidey in. He is using the law only when it suits his own agenda. He is running an illegal detainment center where he is denying people their right to due process and Spidey has advertised that act to the masses now. Tony has to shut Spidey up for good or the people might vote to stop the Registration Act.

Yes, that. Also, Spidey decided to unmask himself, because he was caught up in what he thought was doing: the right thing. He finally saw himself as being able to be completely vindicated after decades of public scrutiny on him. Getting caught up in a moment where you think things are finally going to go down is completely understandable on spiderman's part.

Also, with what Stark did, he is at a complete turning point in his life and he has reached his "edge". He was at his wits end with the people he killed and he wants to make it right in his own mind to everyone he knows in the process. Sure all those people are his friends and they're going in without due process, but he wants to make sure things things are right no matter what has to be done.

In Tony's mind what he did and what happened in Staford were inexcusable outcomes of a lifestyle that can no longer be used. He's using the supervillains because he things he can control them, he thinks that they know how to deal with those heroes better than anyone else, and he doesn't want anymore innocent people to get hurt. I completely sympathize with Stark lately, and see his inner conflict and see why he's so staunch about things he would otherwise see as wrong: he is trying to make up for something he KNOWS he never will in his own mind and it is coming out in a form that hurts his friends. I've had friends who turn their back on the group because of inner conflicts despite all our history, and the idea of having a person like that in the Marvel Universe is not impossible to me at all.

and the political stuff really is not ruining the series, in my opinion. I really think if anything they're making the points in the series even more resounding and awesome. They underline it by parelleling our Universe with Marvel's and showing the contrast between something that is so huge in that universe that we should also see as huge in our own.

CW is sick. Not the best thing I've ever read or anything, I just do not think it is bad at all.

(this is awesome, love the drome! aaarrrg!!! *rips off his shirt*)

[satansmagichat]

So then if we all went by art then Wolverine Origins would suck ass because the art in that book is lame as shit.

Yeah, the art does suck. But Wolveringe Origins sucks also because of the shitty writing. Seriously, this book a steaming cow pile.

[poltah]

Okay. Right. I just read Spider-Man 536. Btw, **** the warning, there's no spoilers in there.

This comic is incredibly talky. No action, lot's of talking. Yeah, it got kinda boring. But that's not the bad part.

The bad part is the ****ing SHIT speech Peter gives on TV. Oh my god, I have never seen anyhthing that bad in comics ever. That was just a load of ****ing bullshit.
Jesus christ. It's called "the Amazing Spider-Man", not "the America Loving Patriot Spider-Man who's an idiot and by the way, he also thinks the war in Iraq is bullshit."
Holy shit. The Spider tie-ins used to be good before this ****ing shit.
I am so disappointed.
And uuuuh, he takes his old suit on. Big ****ing deal. I didn't think Peter was acting out of character before, but that "AND THAT IS WHY AMERICA IS THE GREATEST NATION IN THIS WORLD" must be the worst shit I've ever seen in a spider-man comic. Give me The Other any day.
Christ, I'm out.

[originx]

I read on newsarama.com that issue #6 will be coming out in January some time. that sucks

[briangilmore]

Okay. Right. I just read Spider-Man 536. Btw, **** the warning, there's no spoilers in there.

This comic is incredibly talky. No action, lot's of talking. Yeah, it got kinda boring. But that's not the bad part.

The bad part is the ****ing SHIT speech Peter gives on TV. Oh my god, I have never seen anyhthing that bad in comics ever. That was just a load of ****ing bullshit.
Jesus christ. It's called "the Amazing Spider-Man", not "the America Loving Patriot Spider-Man who's an idiot and by the way, he also thinks the war in Iraq is bullshit."
Holy shit. The Spider tie-ins used to be good before this ****ing shit.
I am so disappointed.
And uuuuh, he takes his old suit on. Big ****ing deal. I didn't think Peter was acting out of character before, but that "AND THAT IS WHY AMERICA IS THE GREATEST NATION IN THIS WORLD" must be the worst shit I've ever seen in a spider-man comic. Give me The Other any day.
Christ, I'm out.

Poltah, you are so wrong, as always, hahahaha j/k...kind of...if i have any down time at work today i'll tell ya why, you rascal.


the only thing i didn't like about the latest spidey is how it's out of order. JLo didn't even read it for fear of spoilers. They shouldn't do that to their fans. Well, at least it'll all be nice in trades.

[originx]

Poltah, you are so wrong, as always, hahahaha j/k...kind of...if i have any down time at work today i'll tell ya why, you rascal.


the only thing i didn't like about the latest spidey is how it's out of order. JLo didn't even read it for fear of spoilers. They shouldn't do that to their fans. Well, at least it'll all be nice in trades.


I agree with BrianGilmore about the fu cked up way Marvel is treating their fans. They are putting the debutante artists first! Fu ck the artists dudes!! Clean house and throw those peyote chewing bastards out on their motherlovin ears!
Their art sucks anyway. So we fans get to have our storylines on time!!

Oh and Poltah does suck a big fat wet donger. But not BrianGilmore because that dude's a carpetmunching son of a gun.

Fans first! Arists second.

[originx]

JLo didn't even read it for fear of spoilers.



Oh and Jlo is a jackass for doing that. He should fear getting cooties from FunnelFish!! He's a big baby! With big diapers! Big sexy diapers!!

[briangilmore]

I agree with BrianGilmore about the fu cked up way Marvel is treating their fans. They are putting the debutante artists first! Fu ck the artists dudes!! Clean house and throw those peyote chewing bastards out on their motherlovin ears!
Their art sucks anyway. So we fans get to have our storylines on time!!

Oh and Poltah does suck a big fat wet donger. But not BrianGilmore because that dude's a carpetmunching son of a gun.

Fans first! Arists second.

actually Caldy, it sucks organizationally for the fans, but we end up making the benefit b/c of McNiven's art. I don't want to see anyone else finish this series and I want them to boot out what's his face who's doing the current Amazing Spiderman. In one panel, and i swear to God, in Spidey 536, there's a close up of MJ and Peter talking and I can't tell them apart. MJ looks like a MAN, baby!!! Maybe THAT'S why Spidey's gonna don the symbiote suit soon and maybe that's the *dark thing* that happens in his life.

Seriously. Bring John Romita Jr. back!!!

Anyway Poltah, and Satan kinda, what's the problem with politics in this series? It isn't ruining it, it's adding poignancy(word?) to it. I mean this entire series is about politics: politics between friends and orgnazations of superheroes, and above all a political act is what causes the entire "civil war" to begin with.

And about Spidey's "america is the best country in the world" speech and what they're doing wrong, etc. I LOVED that speech and here's why:

Often when something huge like this happens in the world or the nation (9/11, etc.) it's usually addressed by politicians because they are usually the ones closely involved. In this entire thing it has been more so the superheroes who are either publicly condemning or supporting the act, and it is them who have been making speeches like the one spidey made and it makes perfect sense. It was not out of place, and keep in mind also this is American media (Marvel Comics, for the most part). What he said was exactly what a real person would in his position.

So when spidey made that speech it was something that needed to be done by one side and he was the one that finally brought all the wrong stuff and (finally) the cap side of the argument to the public. What Tony is doing is very unAmerican as far as process goes and he needed to be outed publically. That did him more harm, gave him more anger, and produced more uproar (and hopefully support for Cap) than any bullshit, three page, hand-to-hand fight, or clash of powers ever could and that's why it was so powerful and that's why this issue was good. If you want nothing but action and stuff like that go read one of those side, villain of the week issues that don't follow the continuity. pff!!!

Civil War is good...so far.

[originx]

actually Caldy, it sucks organizationally for the fans, but we end up making the benefit b/c of McNiven's art. I don't want to see anyone else finish this series and I want them to boot out what's his face who's doing the current Amazing Spiderman. In one panel, and i swear to God, in Spidey 536, there's a close up of MJ and Peter talking and I can't tell them apart. MJ looks like a MAN, baby!!! Maybe THAT'S why Spidey's gonna don the symbiote suit soon and maybe that's the *dark thing* that happens in his life.

Seriously. Bring John Romita Jr. back!!!



Okay, you said something of value just right now. John Romita Jr should draw Spidey all the time. Except when they could get Erik Larsen to do it.

Now to read the rest of your post.

[viscountradu]

I have not read X-Men in awhile, but has Magneto taken up the fight against registration yet? He seems to be a good guy to have on your side in this kind of fight (if you are anti-registration).

[originx]

I have not read X-Men in awhile, but has Magneto taken up the fight against registration yet? He seems to be a good guy to have on your side in this kind of fight (if you are anti-registration).


I thought Magneto was powerless?

[viscountradu]

I thought Magneto was powerless?

well, like i said, haven't read it in awhile. oh well, never mind.

[psbp516]

I have not read X-Men in awhile, but has Magneto taken up the fight against registration yet? He seems to be a good guy to have on your side in this kind of fight (if you are anti-registration).

Would it matter? M-day ****ed him over nigga.

[poltah]

Anyway Poltah, and Satan kinda, what's the problem with politics in this series? It isn't ruining it, it's adding poignancy(word?) to it. I mean this entire series is about politics: politics between friends and orgnazations of superheroes, and above all a political act is what causes the entire "civil war" to begin with.

And about Spidey's "america is the best country in the world" speech and what they're doing wrong, etc. I LOVED that speech and here's why:



Because I'm ****ing sick and tired of hearing people whining about the war in Iraq, and this just sounded like that kind of bullshit.

Becuase America isn't the best country in the world, and I thougth Spider-Man wasn't supposed to be retarded. Everytime I hear people make a speech like that I think "Holy crap an idiot", and I don't want to feel that way about Spidey.

Because when you write politics, it's so much more interesting to see both sides, but this is SO making Stark the bad guys, and wrong, and there's not much real politic about it.

Civil War is turning into Superheroes vs. supervillains, and I can read that in 90% of the comics I own.
This was supposed to be different, to be some huge event, it's turning into just regular comics.

I still like Civil War, just not as much as I used to.
The first couple of issues was some of the coolest shit ever. But it's getting worse and worse.

[briangilmore]

Because I'm ****ing sick and tired of hearing people whining about the war in Iraq, and this just sounded like that kind of bullshit.

Becuase America isn't the best country in the world, and I thougth Spider-Man wasn't supposed to be retarded. Everytime I hear people make a speech like that I think "Holy crap an idiot", and I don't want to feel that way about Spidey.

Because when you write politics, it's so much more interesting to see both sides, but this is SO making Stark the bad guys, and wrong, and there's not much real politic about it.

Civil War is turning into Superheroes vs. supervillains, and I can read that in 90% of the comics I own.
This was supposed to be different, to be some huge event, it's turning into just regular comics.

I still like Civil War, just not as much as I used to.
The first couple of issues was some of the coolest shit ever. But it's getting worse and worse.



well dude, that's totally why I said "you need to keep in mind that this is American media". It is and that's the American viewpoint of everything, especially during a time of war and especially during a time of crisis (both of which are going on in the Marvel Universe right now). Being "patriotic" is what Captain America's side of the War has been since issue one, shit even since New Avengers #1, maybe 2, and same with Spidey, and any other Marvel Comics that have come out in the last YEAR surrounding Civil War.

This was obviously a comment not so much on the War in Iraq, but the American mindset in general and the mistakes we all make when something goes wrong, both publicly and politically, and how those in power, and those who do and should oppose power react; that's what I like about Civil War, and if you didn't see that comin man you just weren't payin attention.

I know you're foreign, but this comic is about Americans in America during a time of crisis and like I said, this is how public figures act, despite how many fights you wanna see happen and this is what contributes to CW's realism (upn + wb?!!!), and that's why I like it sooo much so far. It has something to say and instead of hating it for that, I think you should appreciate that it isn't just another "honor/the right thing is should always rise above what you want/what is easier" theme in comics, which is basically what most superhero comics have been about until recently.

Anyway, if that's why you don't like Civil War, then you really have to analyze why it is that they're doing this: because they're American public figures (and Spidey's speech his better than any speech I've heard from a REAL public figure in the last few years). They may act retarded, but they do act a certain way, and I love how they are capturing that....

And it isn't showing both sides b/c of the point it's trying to make, and I think it's never really been even handed, not since Cap jumped out that window in the first issue with SHIELD shooting at him for disagreeing with something. Even so, though, it HAS been even sided if you've been reading Iron Man or anything you can find from the Stark point of view. Read the good tie ins as well.

basically, I'm taking it for what it is and not what I think it's "supposed" to be, and maybe that's why I'm enjoying it. hella. ungh. :)

[poltah]

I don't care if it's an American media, I don't want to read that retarded shit. If I want to hear shit like that I can watch interviews with random people on the street in New York who'se never been outside of America talking shit about how America is the best country in the world.

**** that. I don't want a comic giving me propaganda, I don't care how realistic it is.

[silent_shadow900]

Well, you can always wait for the "what if" comics....

[originx]

Well, you can always wait for the "what if" comics....


Somewhere on this forum we have a thread all about it.

I used to have tons of them floating around, but I forgot them.

[briangilmore]

A LOT of Tie-ins this week guys. I just bought like 8 books today. I just finished Casualties of War and I think poltah would like it. Dudes, seriously, I almost cried at this one. Totally captures what Civil War should've been as you guys've said. Still don't agree with that, but I think those who haven't liked where it's going should pick this issue up.

[poltah]

I just finished Casualties of War and I think poltah would like it.

God dammit, now I HAVE to hate it.

[briangilmore]

Il Est Temps De Battre!!!!!!!!!!

[poltah]

Okay, I just read the new Iron Man, Casulties of War, War Crimes and Frontline.

Frontline, Iron Man and Casulties of War were GREAT. It almost looks like they're finally doing what they should do. Show the war from both sides.

Wooohooo!

War Crimes was... not very good. Too texty, didn't really do anything. Casulties was very talky, but in a good way.

[wookiewombat]

ok, so i was having a discussion with my friend about this book whos never read it but is very big into politics. Do you guys think this book has a post 9/11 undertone to it? With Pro-Registration being Republicans and Anti-Registration being Democrats?

[briangilmore]

ok, so i was having a discussion with my friend about this book whos never read it but is very big into politics. Do you guys think this book has a post 9/11 undertone to it? With Pro-Registration being Republicans and Anti-Registration being Democrats?

read the rest of the thread.

[psbp516]

I just picked up civil #6 and Frontline #10. And I have to say both were amazing. Discuss....