'Battlestar Galactica' - Season 3

[jerome]

If there aren't more than a few Galactica fans here at ifanboy, i'll be genuinely surprised. Anyways, a few thoughts on the latest episode:

-After what felt like two filler episodes, I was expecting more of the same based on the promos. I was wrong. Loved this episode. Last week when they showed clips of Chief apparently starting a mutiny I rolled my eyes. Would Chief really believably go against Adama and the fleet, all in the span of one episode? Not without making it seemed forced. Well, I thought they did a great job showing Chief's personal struggle against the needs of the fleet versus the workers who looked up to him. You could say that ending was a little hokey, with everything pretty much ending happily, but sometimes that's welcome, especially in a show as dark as this.

-Gaius Baltar is becoming an extremely compelling character, especially in his new role as possible cult figure. Not everyone may like him, but damned if you don't pay attention to every scene he's in. Personally, I find him the most interesting character on the show and am really looking forward to his trial. If they ever get on with it.

-One thing I noticed in this episode, and in episodes past, is the great way they develop very minor side characters into significant roleplayers over time in a way that feels totally natural. The camera doesn't pan around suddenly to show two characters that had supposedly been there the whole time (I'm looking at you Lost), That girl this ep who wanted to be a pilot has been here since the beginning of season 2(i think), but only after several small bits here and there is she allowed to have a significant storyline.

-One nitpick: Those pesky Cylons, apparantly "They have a plan". And I have no idea what that plan is. It must be some advanced form of robot thinking, because not many of their actions make sense.

-I love Mary McDonell. Love her.

So, are Mark Verheiden's comics any good? What does he even write?

[iSteve]

I tivo BG and watch it later. I need to watch both last week's and this week's episodes to catch up.

It's a great show. I'm a big fan.

[masherscf]

I view the "They have a Plan" tag line with increasing incredulity as the weeks roll by. The writers may have a plan, but the Cylons seem to be clueless.

[cam-]

"Mark Verheiden's comics any good?"

I think he's currently writing Superman Batman, which I dropped, soooo not as good as his Battlestar stuff.

[jerome]

I tivo BG and watch it later. I need to watch both last week's and this week's episodes to catch up.


This week's was great. last week's was ok. they're both heavily cheif centric episodes.

I don't think I've ever read any of Verheiden's comic stuff, but i'm not really a big fan of the BSG episodes he's written.

[mister-s]

I also love Mary Mcdonnel.

BG is the best show on TV. Hands down. I love how easy, and good, it is to watch it on a surface/fun level, but at the same time you can dig really deep with symbolism and allegory... Bloody well done.

[masherscf]

I also love Mary Mcdonnel.

BG is the best show on TV. Hands down. I love how easy, and good, it is to watch it on a surface/fun level, but at the same time you can dig really deep with symbolism and allegory... Bloody well done.

Allegory is actually a very weak literary tool. It's very easy to make things allegorical. However, I believe the BSG is not allegorical, but applicable. That is, BSG is not about anything but BSG, but the story does seem to resonate through our modern life.

As far as the best show on TV... I like "Rome" as well.

[iSteve]

Allegory is actually a very weak literary tool. It's very easy to make things allegorical. However, I believe the BSG is not allegorical, but applicable. That is, BSG is not about anything but BSG, but the story does seem to resonate through our modern life.

As far as the best show on TV... I like "Rome" as well.

Rome is one of the best shows on TV bar none. Too bad this is the last season.

[cam-]

Rome is one of the best shows on TV bar none. Too bad this is the last season.

Really!! Rome is done AND Deadwood is gone?

Damn you HBO Preacher better be good.

[iSteve]

Really!! Rome is done AND Deadwood is gone?

Damn you HBO Preacher better be good.

HBO announced that this would be Rome's last season (only its second) even before the new shows aired. Evidently it is just too expensive to produce.

[cam-]

i can see that, it did look too pricey to keep up for long, still two seasons isn't much of a commitment.

[iSteve]

i can see that, it did look too pricey to keep up for long, still two seasons isn't much of a commitment.

Two seaons of HBO = 20 episodes.

[jerome]

HBO announced that this would be Rome's last season (only its second) even before the new shows aired. Evidently it is just too expensive to produce.

I was over at Barnes & Noble a couple weeks ago and i saw Rome Season 1 for $100 BUCKS. Is there a reason the set is so expensive or is BN just trying to rip people off?

[masherscf]

This is the worst aspect of the HBO business model. Since HBO revenue is based on subscriptions and not ratings. Even popular shows cannot grow without being threatened with the axe. Personally, I've delayed canceling my HBO for the last eighteen months on the promise of new "Rome" episodes. You can't download HD off of bittorrent. After "Rome" concludes, I won't have much of a reason for keeping the service.

[paper]

I was over at Barnes & Noble a couple weeks ago and i saw Rome Season 1 for $100 BUCKS. Is there a reason the set is so expensive or is BN just trying to rip people off?

B&N's prices are usually pretty ridiculous, especially in regards to CDs and DVDs. $18 for an average CD? No thanks.

All HBO DVDs are outrageously over-priced when compared to other TV seasons on DVD. they tend to hover between 80 and 100 dollars.

I highly recommend Netflix (I don't have a subscription to HBO).

[paper]

I've been having trouble getting into BSG. I own season one, but whenever I start up the first disc, I just get bored with it. I presume it brings the funny later? A little bit? Just feels so cold and sterile on first glance.

I'm gonna try it again though. I respect your recommendation, Jerome. In Giles we trust, and all that.

[tokenuser]

I view the "They have a Plan" tag line with increasing incredulity as the weeks roll by. The writers may have a plan, but the Cylons seem to be clueless.I suspect the Cylons have a plan written by the writers over at Lost ...

After last weeks great BSG episode (I really like the Chief's character), next week looks like it is reverting to a flashbacks and gods complex storyline with Starbuck. I know she has been in the background, but damn her character just annoys the crap out of me this season.

But, Baltar getting ready to lead a revolution? I was initially think like the Russians overthrowing the Czars, but I think there are more parallels with the French Revolution. I loved Baltar dropping into his rural accent though. I almost suspect it was an overdub from Jamie Bamber (Apollo) who speaks with a thick English accent when he is off camera - it sounded more like a voice he could carry off.

[masherscf]

I suspect the Cylons have a plan written by the writers over at Lost ...

After last weeks great BSG episode (I really like the Chief's character), ...

...I loved Baltar dropping into his rural accent though. I almost suspect it was an overdub from Jamie Bamber (Apollo) who speaks with a thick English accent when he is off camera - it sounded more like a voice he could carry off.

The chief is the best.

Any classically trained british actor should be able to carry off the rural dialect.

[iSteve]

I've been having trouble getting into BSG. I own season one, but whenever I start up the first disc, I just get bored with it. I presume it brings the funny later? A little bit? Just feels so cold and sterile on first glance.

I'm gonna try it again though. I respect your recommendation, Jerome. In Giles we trust, and all that.

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no funny later. BSG is one serious show. If you don't like the first few shows, I doubt you will like the rest.

The heaviness of the show some times gets to me. I almost stopped watching it after they resettled on the planet and made Baltar president. But I persevered and am glad I did. I just wish they would interject some lighter episodes ever now and then - not funny, ha ha, but just lighter.

[masherscf]

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no funny later. BSG is one serious show. If you don't like the first few shows, I doubt you will like the rest.

The heaviness of the show some times gets to me. I almost stopped watching it after they resettled on the planet and made Baltar president. But I persevered and am glad I did. I just wish they would interject some lighter episodes ever now and then - not funny, ha ha, but just lighter.

Yep, there's nothing funny about the extermination of the human race. The show only gets more bleak. Although, I think it's pulled back some since the Admiral Caine episodes. Those episodes were about as humorless as you can get.

[iSteve]

Yep, there's nothing funny about the extermination of the human race. The show only gets more bleak. Although, I think it's pulled back some since the Admiral Caine episodes. Those episodes were about as humorless as you can get.

Dark, dark, dark. Those episodes almost make you hope that the Cylons will win.

[paper]

Okay, well. Still not gonna give up. I can deal with dire.

But if it is so bleak, what is it about the show that keeps you coming back again and again? I'm genuinely interested in your answers because the show's fanbase is decidedly huge. I'm just curious about each of your personal takes on what makes this show really special. And I don't mean that to be argumentative or critical at all; I'm just on the outside looking in.

[iSteve]

The thing that keeps me going back week after week is the struggle for survival. Not only has humanity's very existence been threatened, the Cylons also raise the question as to whether it even matters for humanity to survive. The humans then are not just trying to live, but also to justify their existence - that there are good reasons they should be allowed to live. So the show is not just about the "what" (humanity struggles to survive" but the "why" (humanity deserves to survive). The irony is that the struggle for survival often brings out the very worst in the human situation. They see their own darkness and try to overcome it, not always very successfully.

[tokenuser]

I just wish they would interject some lighter episodes ever now and then - not funny, ha ha, but just lighter.Perhaps they should recycle some the BSG:ToS episode scripts? Like the time they had R&R on the pleasure/casino planet only to find it was a front for a trillium mine run by the cylons, or introduce a robot dog/daggit, or a subservient alien race. For lighter episodes, they really need a holodeck.

They would be classic episodes :)

BSG is a dark series. It does have lighter moments - not light as in ha ha (although there are some of those too), but light in human terms, showing that even in the worst situations, the human spirit still prevails.

I know there are people here who haven't seen the entire series. How do you feel about spoilers? Is it really a spoiler if the episode was shown two years ago?

[iSteve]

In comic terms, BSG is a lot like The Walking Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead). Like the zombies, the Cylons are a plot device to help get at what it means to be human.

[jerome]

Okay, well. Still not gonna give up. I can deal with dire.

But if it is so bleak, what is it about the show that keeps you coming back again and again? I'm genuinely interested in your answers because the show's fanbase is decidedly huge. I'm just curious about each of your personal takes on what makes this show really special. And I don't mean that to be argumentative or critical at all; I'm just on the outside looking in.

The characters are what keep me coming back every week. Yes, their situation is extremely dire and unrelenting, but that's what makes their victories that much more satisfying. There really is an undercurrent of hope amidst all the despair. The show is dark but I prefer the word 'realistic'. That sounds funny describing a futuristic sci-fi show, but it fits here; Most everything that happens is logical, in a way that you can tell the writers really thought about every possibility. None of these characters are cardboard cutouts, and every single one on any given night can carry an episode.

iSteve, thats a great comparison. BSG is a lot like Walking Dead, but i'd say that even BSG is a little more hopeful than Kirkman's book. Something good actually happens to the crew every now and then.

[iSteve]

The characters are what keep me coming back every week. Yes, their situation is extremely dire and unrelenting, but that's what makes their victories that much more satisfying. There really is an undercurrent of hope amidst all the despair. The show is dark but I prefer the word 'realistic'. That sounds funny describing a futuristic sci-fi show, but it fits here; Most everything that happens is logical, in a way that you can tell the writers really thought about every possibility. None of these characters are cardboard cutouts, and every single one on any given night can carry an episode.

iSteve, thats a great comparison. BSG is a lot like Walking Dead, but i'd say that even BSG is a little more hopeful than Kirkman's book. Something good actually happens to the crew every now and then.

I agree that the undercurrent of the show is hope. The victories are often small, but victories nonethess. And you are also right about the characters. They are fully-dimensional and very complex. You root for them warts and all.

[masherscf]

BSG is a dark series. It does have lighter moments -

I liked the episode "The Hand of God." It was almost uplifting.

[jerome]

I liked the episode "The Hand of God." It was almost uplifting.

This past episode was as well. And Season One's "Six Degrees of Separation" was a funny episode. Sort of.

[cam-]

Just watched the most recent episode. It was solid, however, can we get back to some good old fashioned Cylon fighting?? PLease!

Union busting and admirals loving dead wives is all fine and good but I want evil robots!!!

[masherscf]

Just watched the most recent episode. It was solid, however, can we get back to some good old fashioned Cylon fighting?? PLease!

Union busting and admirals loving dead wives is all fine and good but I want evil robots!!!

The trouble with Cylon fighting is that it required Cylons. Cylons, space fighters and any action required much digital effects and those are expensive. Rosalyn acting shrill and Adama acting gruff may be boring, but it's not expensive.

If we demand Cylons every week, we may have to settle for visual effects that are someplace between "Doctor Who" and "Star Trek: Hidden Frontier",

[cam-]

Hmm I hadn't thought of that. Guess I'm just greedy, or spoiled after the big "escape new Caprica" story line.

"Star Trek: Hidden Frontier"? I'm stumped, and I thought I knew my star trek.

[masherscf]

Hmm I hadn't thought of that. Guess I'm just greedy, or spoiled after the big "escape new Caprica" story line.

"Star Trek: Hidden Frontier"? I'm stumped, and I thought I knew my star trek.

Apparently, you are not well versed in Star Trek fan films with heavy homosexually themed sub-plots.

[ariastar]

HBO announced that this would be Rome's last season (only its second) even before the new shows aired. Evidently it is just too expensive to produce.

Cost is why the original BSG was canceled in 1979 despite its overwhelming popularity.

[ariastar]

I view the "They have a Plan" tag line with increasing incredulity as the weeks roll by. The writers may have a plan, but the Cylons seem to be clueless.

They lost the plan and just haven't updated the opening credits in a while.

[ariastar]

I've been having trouble getting into BSG. I own season one, but whenever I start up the first disc, I just get bored with it. I presume it brings the funny later? A little bit? Just feels so cold and sterile on first glance.

I'm gonna try it again though. I respect your recommendation, Jerome. In Giles we trust, and all that.

Funny? Aside from the episode called "Tigh Me Up, Tight Me Down," there has been no attempt at comedy. This is a very serious show, and big characters actually die.

[ariastar]

Yep, there's nothing funny about the extermination of the human race. The show only gets more bleak. Although, I think it's pulled back some since the Admiral Caine episodes. Those episodes were about as humorless as you can get.

Holy Shit, the Pegasus arc was the best three episodes of anything EVER on TV. Dark, yes, but who could watch and not be in constant fear of what would happen, especially when you know people die? A friend told me at least one major character would be dead by the end, so hell, it was just heart-wrenching to watch and wonder, and he was right.

[ariastar]

Okay, well. Still not gonna give up. I can deal with dire.

But if it is so bleak, what is it about the show that keeps you coming back again and again? I'm genuinely interested in your answers because the show's fanbase is decidedly huge. I'm just curious about each of your personal takes on what makes this show really special. And I don't mean that to be argumentative or critical at all; I'm just on the outside looking in.

The amazing character development. Even the good guys have their major downfalls and flaws, and the bad guys have a lot of insight that is very relevant and correct. With a typical show, a character is all good or all bad, that's it. But you'll see someone you like making a bad decision out of stupidity, ignorance, or just being too tired to care. Their actions have repercussions that carry over into the rest of the show, and they can die. In short, the characters are as human as it's possible to get, not immortal, not perfect.

[ariastar]

Just watched the most recent episode. It was solid, however, can we get back to some good old fashioned Cylon fighting?? PLease!

Union busting and admirals loving dead wives is all fine and good but I want evil robots!!!

I agree. At least once in a while! Not every episode, but c'mon, maybe every five or six episodes? Has there been a single space fight this season? NO. I know it's expensive, but costs have come down and I don't buy it that SciFi can't afford it. ****, they're getting ready to go on hiatus until January, they should give us one or two spectacular fights before asking us to wait nine months again!

[ariastar]

I suspect the Cylons have a plan written by the writers over at Lost ...

After last weeks great BSG episode (I really like the Chief's character), next week looks like it is reverting to a flashbacks and gods complex storyline with Starbuck. I know she has been in the background, but damn her character just annoys the crap out of me this season.

But, Baltar getting ready to lead a revolution? I was initially think like the Russians overthrowing the Czars, but I think there are more parallels with the French Revolution. I loved Baltar dropping into his rural accent though. I almost suspect it was an overdub from Jamie Bamber (Apollo) who speaks with a thick English accent when he is off camera - it sounded more like a voice he could carry off.

Starbuck's character lost her charm. She's moody and pissed all the time, not the brisk, fun character we loved in the firs two seasons.

[masherscf]

I'm sorry sweetie. I'm gonna have to issue you a citation for Karma violation over the multiple posting.

[ariastar]

-After what felt like two filler episodes, I was expecting more of the same based on the promos. I was wrong. Loved this episode. Last week when they showed clips of Chief apparently starting a mutiny I rolled my eyes. Would Chief really believably go against Adama and the fleet, all in the span of one episode? Not without making it seemed forced. Well, I thought they did a great job showing Chief's personal struggle against the needs of the fleet versus the workers who looked up to him. You could say that ending was a little hokey, with everything pretty much ending happily, but sometimes that's welcome, especially in a show as dark as this.

Tyrol's character development has been great. But I'd like to see some flashbacks to Boomer or something. And Callie was cute before, and now she's just this *****y thing I can't stand much these days.


-Gaius Baltar is becoming an extremely compelling character, especially in his new role as possible cult figure. Not everyone may like him, but damned if you don't pay attention to every scene he's in. Personally, I find him the most interesting character on the show and am really looking forward to his trial. If they ever get on with it.

Who says a character must be liked to be compelling? Simply trying to figure out Baltar's intentions, and what the hell is going on with seeing Six, is enough to make him interesting. From the meek thing he was at the beginning to his formal decent into insanity and his subsequent rise to blatant corruption (is he really corrupt, or is there something else going on?), this character is one of the more complex characters ever seen on TV.


-One thing I noticed in this episode, and in episodes past, is the great way they develop very minor side characters into significant roleplayers over time in a way that feels totally natural. The camera doesn't pan around suddenly to show two characters that had supposedly been there the whole time (I'm looking at you Lost), That girl this ep who wanted to be a pilot has been here since the beginning of season 2(i think), but only after several small bits here and there is she allowed to have a significant storyline.

Agreed. I can't stand it when a show will put someone there for five minutes, then, "Here's someone new who you should know already!" Shows forethought to work a character into the show.


-One nitpick: Those pesky Cylons, apparantly "They have a plan". And I have no idea what that plan is. It must be some advanced form of robot thinking, because not many of their actions make sense.

They lost the napkin they write it on.


-I love Mary McDonell. Love her.

So does my mom. :)

[drwally]

President Roslin (Mary McDonell) is the BOMB. I love it everytime she is on screen, she COMMANDS. Otherwise, as a regular viewer of this show since it started, but being about 4 episodes behind, I've been eyeing this thread but have yet to dip into it until I catch up... today is the day I catch up.

My vote for 2008: Mary McDonell, President Roslin, the BOMB.

[jerome]

Are you allowed to vote?

[fred]

Are you allowed to vote?

wally and I trade votes
I pick someone for mayor of tokyo
and he picks our president

it's not a bad system

[jerome]

if only she were on the ballot.And also not fictitious.

[drwally]

wally and I trade votes
I pick someone for mayor of tokyo
and he picks our president

it's not a bad system

OOOO boy, what you just said, you have no idea what you just said...and what you are getting into. Election coming up is the latest is they have this guy running/not running(?) and all the hype is "is he running or not running?"
But what does he stand for? What does he support? What are his substantive stands on the issues? Not to be found on the evening news here. Sound familiar? Just too tiresome to keep up with. If you can believe it, spending my afternoon catching up with Battlestar Galactica was far more entertaining and productive...

and I LOVE President Roslin. And yes, I got a vote. The dynamic with Adama and Richard Hatch (is that his name, the guy who played Apollo from the original BG show of the 80s show?) is very good.

[tokenuser]

if only she were on the ballot.And also not fictitious.There woulds need to be a change to the constitution to allow a Caprican to be nominated for President ... and then you open the doors for others who weren't born in the US to run as well.

How about a Roslin/Schwarzenegger ticket? She is a war time president, so has relevant experience, is focused on education and survival of the nation. He was a hybrid between a toaster and a skin job, so he can offer her advice on that as well - he also has a background in intelligence and guerilla warfare with insurgent forces. It is a win/win situation.

[cam-]

He was a hybrid between a toaster and a skin job, .

Funny stuff.

[iSteve]

I miss SciFi Fridays - just not the same on Sundays.

[ariastar]

There woulds need to be a change to the constitution to allow a Caprican to be nominated for President ... and then you open the doors for others who weren't born in the US to run as well.

How about a Roslin/Schwarzenegger ticket? She is a war time president, so has relevant experience, is focused on education and survival of the nation. He was a hybrid between a toaster and a skin job, so he can offer her advice on that as well - he also has a background in intelligence and guerilla warfare with insurgent forces. It is a win/win situation.

I'd vote for that.

[will_lund]

I love the show. It's hard to believe that it's made by one of the same people responsible for 'The Next Generation'. This show is so much darker. Every episode is connected to the one before it.

[ariastar]

I love the show. It's hard to believe that it's made by one of the same people responsible for 'The Next Generation'. This show is so much darker. Every episode is connected to the one before it.

Well, there have been a couple throw-away episodes....

[masherscf]

Well, there have been a couple throw-away episodes....

Aria? You should really be sleeping.

[cam-]

I love the show. It's hard to believe that it's made by one of the same people responsible for 'The Next Generation'. This show is so much darker. Every episode is connected to the one before it.

I think Mr. Gene specifically kept the show light.

Once he died Berman started making darker Star Trek stuff.

THen it got cancelled. GO figure.

[will_lund]

Well, there have been a couple throw-away episodes....

I agree with you. There have been some episodes that just as easily could have not been there.

This most recent episode for example: It followed the Chief and eventually made it's way around to Baltar. This shows us where Baltar is, setting us up for the next episode where something comes of it. It didn't need to happen, but made his character (and the show) stronger because it did.

[masherscf]

I agree with you. There have been some episodes that just as easily could have not been there.

This most recent episode for example: It followed the Chief and eventually made it's way around to Baltar. This shows us where Baltar is, setting us up for the next episode where something comes of it. It didn't need to happen, but made his character (and the show) stronger because it did.

I tell ya, they make these kinda "throw-away" episodes to save cash. I also think they're saving Baltar's trial.

[jerome]

Baltar's trial definitely seems like season ending material. Still, I doubt it's going to be as great as last season's finale. Unless, you know, they skip two years this time.

P.S. Don't skip two years.

[iSteve]

Baltar's trial definitely seems like season ending material. Still, I doubt it's going to be as great as last season's finale. Unless, you know, they skip two years this time.

P.S. Don't skip two years.

No more skipping years. No more concentration camp planets. No more prolonged cylon-only storylines.

[cam-]

No more skipping years. No more concentration camp planets. No more prolonged cylon-only storylines.

And sadly no more Lucy Lawless it seems.

[iSteve]

And sadly no more Lucy Lawless it seems.

No. She's been boxed up and packed away.

[masherscf]

No. She's been boxed up and packed away.

I wonder if they're gonna take her out and play with her on holidays and other special occasions

[iSteve]

I wonder if they're gonna take her out and play with her on holidays and other special occasions

On Cylon's New Year parties.

[jerome]

Would I lose my geek card if I said i didn't recognize Lucy Lawless in her first appearance?

[iSteve]

Would I lose my geek card if I said i didn't recognize Lucy Lawless in her first appearance?

Official Geek Card Revocation Notice. Effective Immediately.

[iSteve]

She DOES look different out of leather.

[iSteve]

Obligatory post to reach 700.

[fred]

post whore

[jerome]

good thing i recognized her then...

[jerome]

congrats isteve

[iSteve]

congrats isteve

Back at cha. I think I'm post whoring now.

[fred]

Back at cha. I think I'm post whoring now.

I'm just passing it along because it's all I've heard this week. They half-jokingly threatened to ban me over in General Discussion for posting too much.

[iSteve]

I'm just passing it along because it's all I've heard this week. They half-jokingly threatened to ban me over in General Discussion for posting too much.

I think they are just jealous.

[fred]

I've been hearing that all my life.
Gym Teacher: Fred, they're just mean to you because they're jealous.
Me: I don't know
Gym Teacher: It's true. You're smart, funny, and sexy
Me: Dude! I'm really late for class

[masherscf]

I've been hearing that all my life.
Gym Teacher: Fred, they're just mean to you because they're jealous.
Me: I don't know
Gym Teacher: It's true. You're smart, funny, and sexy
Me: Dude! I'm really late for class

Gym Teacher: Step into my office...

[fred]

Gym Teacher: Step into my office...

Me: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(inappropriately stops drops and rolls)
Me: Damn it! Wrong thing. DON'T TOUCH ME THERE

[masherscf]

Me: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(inappropriately stops drops and rolls)
Me: Damn it! Wrong thing. DON'T TOUCH ME THERE

This looks like a sex offenders database entry waiting to happen.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

[iSteve]

This looks like a sex offenders database entry waiting to happen.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

Yes, it does.

[fred]

what can I say? Its my life

[alexg]

Well, in defense of the recent "one off" episodes of Galactica, they helped me get into the show much quicker. I only recently got cable, so missed the first season entirely (yeah, I know it's on DVD, but I have a hard time watching tv shows on dvd for some reason, my own quirk). Anyway, I've found it really easy to jump on the show and get the gist of it. Having grown up obsessively watching the original, I'm enjoying the update and find this version far more compelling. I can see how Cylon only episodes might get on ones nerves though...strikes me that there's a bit of "Lost-ism" around the Cylons "ohh aren't they mysterious? What do these strange clues mean?" Ho hum. I'm hooked now tho

[iSteve]

Well, in defense of the recent "one off" episodes of Galactica, they helped me get into the show much quicker. I only recently got cable, so missed the first season entirely (yeah, I know it's on DVD, but I have a hard time watching tv shows on dvd for some reason, my own quirk). Anyway, I've found it really easy to jump on the show and get the gist of it. Having grown up obsessively watching the original, I'm enjoying the update and find this version far more compelling. I can see how Cylon only episodes might get on ones nerves though...strikes me that there's a bit of "Lost-ism" around the Cylons "ohh aren't they mysterious? What do these strange clues mean?" Ho hum. I'm hooked now tho

You owe it to yourself to at least watch the first few episodes of the first season - the miniseries where the Cylons attack and BGS makes its great escape. They are excellent.

[jerome]

Season One has some great episodes. I especially liked the Pilot, Six Degrees of Separation, and Colonial Day.

[cam-]

And of course the 5th episode "43 minutes"? or was it less? Still, an awesome episode.

[jerome]

That was the pilot.

[cam-]

That was the pilot.

Right, but you know "5th" after the mini series...and it had a name...was it "43 minutes?"

[jerome]

"33". Close;)

[will_lund]

Some of those early episodes, '33' in particular, really helped to set the tone for the show early. It showed it getting grittier by the day.

[masherscf]

**SPOILER**














WTF! Starbuck!

[mister-s]

I heard the actress wanted out of the show really bad. Guess she got her wish?

[masherscf]

I heard the actress wanted out of the show really bad. Guess she got her wish?

I guess we're gonna have to wait for the west-coast to wake-up before we get any animated comments on this matter.

There was a day when I wouldn't have been surprised by this. There were enough hints and spoilers floating about to guess what was going to happen.

Suffice it to say, they've kind of written themselves into a corner...

[iSteve]

I guess we're gonna have to wait for the west-coast to wake-up before we get any animated comments on this matter.

There was a day when I wouldn't have been surprised by this. There were enough hints and spoilers floating about to guess what was going to happen.

Suffice it to say, they've kind of written themselves into a corner...

I tivo BSG and am behind a couple of episodes. What happened? Did Starbuck bite the big one?

[masherscf]

I tivo BSG and am behind a couple of episodes. What happened? Did Starbuck bite the big one?

It's not really clear what happened. I don't wanna spoil it.

[tokenuser]

I heard the actress wanted out of the show really bad. Guess she got her wish?
Crap. I haven't watched it yet ... guess I shouldn't read these spoiler type threads.

[iSteve]

Well now I've got to get caught up... fast.

[masherscf]

***Spoiler Warning***




Crap. I haven't watched it yet ... guess I shouldn't read these spoiler type threads.

It's apparently been "public" knowledge that last night's episode is her last of this season for a few months now. It was posted to Wikipedia and everything.

That's okay, I didn't know either.

[jerome]

So who thinks Starbuck is (a) really dead (b) still alive (c)..... a cylon?!?

I hope Katee Sackhoff doesn't stay gone for long. I haven't really enjoyed the whole Starbuck-Apollo love triangle (rectangle?) but I've liked pretty much every thing else they've done with the character.

[mister-s]

I'm going to say dead-dead. But perhaps still available in flashbacks.

[cam-]

OH MY GOD!!!! Did that really just happen?!?

She wanted off the show?!??!?! What is she? Simple?

Whoo that's out of the way now, but geez the three people who I watch this with were dumbstruck.

All of us were like "Man, so much whiny starbuck this episode" Then Bam...

And I liked the love triangle, and there's so much potential for really cool F-ed up stuff with Callum Kieth (Canadian!!).

Pray Gods she's a cylon and it's a fake out.

[jerome]

I'd be very surprised if she stayed dead. They've pretty much hammered into our heads that she's special somehow, and if this is the end of her story then the conclusion was unsatisfying.

[masherscf]

Good Morning, gentlemen.

I'm up-in-the-air as to her exact fate. Maybe the writers haven't even decided. I tend to agree that they had obvious plans for Starbuck. If her early exit from season three was not in their original plans....it is now.

[cam-]

My hope is that she does dissapear for a while, get us all stirring in our seats, or complacent about her being gone and then a huge cliffhanger season ending reveal with her as Cylon #1.

[masherscf]

My hope is that she does dissapear for a while, get us all stirring in our seats, or complacent about her being gone and then a huge cliffhanger season ending reveal with her as Cylon #1.

My money is on a heretofore undocumented teleportation ability that the Cylons possess. The heavy raider was actually there and spirited away with Kara in manner where she would be presumed dead.

[cam-]

My money is on a heretofore undocumented teleportation ability that the Cylons possess. The heavy raider was actually there and spirited away with Kara in manner where she would be presumed dead.

Or, she did have her hand on the eject pull, and we didn't see the exact second of the explosion as there was the lighting flash away thing, I don't know though I feel like Kathy Bates in Misery here. "YOU KILLED MISERY!!!!!"

[mister-s]

There is a Battlestar podcast in which the writers/actors talk about the weeks episode...

[masherscf]

Or, she did have her hand on the eject pull, and we didn't see the exact second of the explosion as there was the lighting flash away thing, I don't know though I feel like Kathy Bates in Misery here. "YOU KILLED MISERY!!!!!"

Suffice it to say, she's in Cylon custody... or dead.

[JAFlanagan]

Here's what I learned this episode:

Starbuck has "man-thumbs" and thick strong legs.

And if she's not a Cylon, they're f'ing with us. The dude was talking about the place between life and death, so my guess is that in a few episodes or next season, she pops out of the goo, all reborn and shit.

BoooOOOO!!!!

And I don't just disagree for the hell of it, but I don't want it to be true, because I like her. But that's what makes good fiction, because I care.

So it makes sense.

[masherscf]

And if she's not a Cylon, they're f'ing with us. The dude was talking about the place between life and death, so my guess is that in a few episodes or next season, she pops out of the goo, all reborn and shit.


They're F*ing with us, no doubt. However, Katie Sackoff hasn't filmed any more episodes this season. That doesn't mean they don't have something in the can to pull out later. It does mean she won't be included in a major way in any more of this season.

She doesn't have to be a Cylon to have survived. She had her hand on the eject and they never showed the viper break-up. The heavy raider could have snagged her. The rest is just a red herring. They might even throw in into the goo to f*k with us some more. They leaked shots of Balter in the goo just to mislead people before.

In the end, the writers will do whatever they want.... I hope it's a good story.

Dirty rotten F*Kers

[will_lund]

I think it's more likely that Starbuck is a child of one of the five missing cylons. It kind of makes sense that they'd spend all this time talking about her destiny. They did talk about the first child of the cylons have a destiny, and would make the pressure her mother put on her make much more sense. Possibly the visions too.

Someone told me that the actress wanted to leave the show, but I can't find anything online to back that claim up. Still, they left it open for her to come back. Everyone saw her reach for the eject lever? There's only one reason they would ever show that...

[drwally]

This thread keeps calling to me like a Siren Song, as I've been following BG for more than a year, but I'm about 2 episodes behind...I fear spoilage, but anxiously await to be able to participate...

[masherscf]

This thread keeps calling to me like a Siren Song, as I've been following BG for more than a year, but I'm about 2 episodes behind...I fear spoilage, but anxiously await to be able to participate...

Catch up man!

[JAFlanagan]

I can't imagine why in the world she'd want to leave the show. I mean, she's real good, but out of the context of this show, I'm not seeing a huge career. Everyone on the show keeps talking about what a great experience it is and blah blah blah...

I'm sure a lot of that is BS, but either way, she'd be smart not to pull a David Caruso on this one.

[masherscf]

I can't imagine why in the world she'd want to leave the show. I mean, she's real good, but out of the context of this show, I'm not seeing a huge career. Everyone on the show keeps talking about what a great experience it is and blah blah blah...

I'm sure a lot of that is BS, but either way, she'd be smart not to pull a David Caruso on this one.

Why someone would give up a perfectly good paycheck is beyond me.

Maybe this will shed some light on it (http://www.cortandfatboy.com/index.php?id=489)

[tokenuser]

I'm sure a lot of that is BS, but either way, she'd be smart not to pull a David Caruso on this one.Don't go dissing Davie boy ... one of the greatest character actors of our time.

_sarYH0z948

And who can forget him in Hudon Hawk?

http://hudson.hawk.org/hudhawk/brucetwin.png

... back to BSG:Caprica

[cam-]

I'm sure a lot of that is BS, but either way, she'd be smart not to pull a David Caruso on this one.

Or a Shelley Long, she could do a remake of the money pit!

[masherscf]

Or a Shelley Long, she could do a remake of the money pit!

She could play "Face-women" in a gritty twenty-first century reimagining of the popular 80's TV program "The A-Team" .

[cam-]

Heh, "face-woman"

In A-team related news, last night was the first time I realized Murdock was that whiny guy from ST:TNG. Wacky.

[masherscf]

Heh, "face-woman"

In A-team related news, last night was the first time I realized Murdock was that whiny guy from ST:TNG. Wacky.

Dwight Schultz was Murdock before he was Barkley.

Schultz's post A-Team career closely parallels Brent Spiner's post Star Trek career.

[will_lund]

I just listened to the Podcast commentary for the most recent episode. While he did say that it was the death of Starbuck, he stopped short of saying that she won't be coming back. He didn't mention the reach for the escape hatch. Also, he said that when he first brought the story to Katee Sackhoff, he brought it as a story idea and not about losing her job.

[conorkilpatrick]

I finally caught up on the last two weeks of shows.

Wow, that's some good stuff - the Chief/strike episode was fantastic.

I think Starbuck is dead but if that's the last we see of her I'd be surprised.

[cam-]

I think Starbuck is dead but if that's the last we see of her I'd be surprised.

I'm still raging inside about this, Katie Sackhoff was so hot in an attainable way. BLaaaargh. THey'd better inject somemore hotness STAT!

(probably not my most thought out post)

[masherscf]

I'm still raging inside about this, Katie Sackhoff was so hot in an attainable way. BLaaaargh. THey'd better inject somemore hotness STAT!

(probably not my most thought out post)

Dude, peole that do that podcast aren't gonna tell us what's really going on. They're mind-fracking us all the way...

[jerome]

Why someone would give up a perfectly good paycheck is beyond me.

Maybe this will shed some light on it (http://www.cortandfatboy.com/index.php?id=489)

Seems like she had no idea what was going on. I'm curious about the new NBC pilot she said she was shooting.

Battlestar Galactica ranked number two on Boston's Globe's List of Top 50 Sci-Fi Shows of All Time. (http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows?pg=49)

[iSteve]

Well, I'm finally caught up. In the last couple of days, I watched the last three shows: A Day in the Life, Dirty Hands, and Maelstrom. I enjoyed all three. Love the way the Chief is being portrayed. It seems he is becoming even more a central character. As for Kara Thrace's death, I'm certain that we haven't seen the last of her. Her mythology has been too thoroughly developed for them to just kill her off. It feels that they have set up a story that's intended to be finished later.

[masherscf]

Well, I'm finally caught up. In the last couple of days, I watched the last three shows: A Day in the Life, Dirty Hands, and Maelstrom. I enjoyed all three.

Feels good doesn't it. However,, we'll be out of new BSG soon. We'll have to settle with the last SG1s ever and waiting to torrent the new Doctor Who episodes on April.

[ariastar]

Katie Sackhoff wanted to leave the series. I haven't been able to find out why, just that she did. What Moore basically did was to leave a way for her to come back later if she wants, and there's enough ambiguity in what happened that she could have pulled the ejector and been taken into custody by Cylons, or she could actually be one of the Final Five. Or she can be dead. For the time being, it's best to assume she's dead. Which SUCKS.

[masherscf]

For the time being, it's best to assume she's dead. Which SUCKS.

They could always recast. I hear Dirk Benedict looks good in a wig.

[iSteve]

How's the new Doctor Who? I watched it last year with Eccleston, but I haven't seen any of the ones with his replacement. Is he any good?

[iSteve]

I can't believe we're going to have to wait nine months for more BSG.

[masherscf]

How's the new Doctor Who? I watched it last year with Eccleston, but I haven't seen any of the ones with his replacement. Is he any good?

David Tennant was good. He's more of a traditional Doctor Who. He comes off as a cross between Tom Baker and Peter Davidson. No so bad since they're my favorites.

The revived Doctor Who is really about Rose Tyler. She's the best defined Doctor Who companion probably ever. Think of a better written, less campy Ace. Unfortunately, Billie Piper left the show at the end of the last series. The concluding episode of that series is one of the best Doctor Who episodes I think I've seen and I've seen a lot of the Doctor. Indeed, there were some remarkable moments in second revived series. However, there was some crap too.

[iSteve]

David Tennant was good. He's more of a traditional Doctor Who. He comes off as a cross between Tom Baker and Peter Davidson. No so bad since they're my favorites.

The revived Doctor Who is really about Rose Tyler. She's the best defined Doctor Who companion probably ever. Think of a better written, less campy Ace. Unfortunately, Billie Piper left the show at the end of the last series. The concluding episode of that series is one of the best Doctor Who episodes I think I've seen and I've seen a lot of the Doctor. Indeed, there were some remarkable moments in second revived series. However, there was some crap too.

I loved the chemistry between Piper and Eccleston. They were great together.

I can see your point - about Rose Tyler. She's been a great character. Will Piper be replaced? Or will they develop a new character?

[masherscf]

I loved the chemistry between Piper and Eccleston. They were great together.

I can see your point - about Rose Tyler. She's been a great character. Will Piper be replaced? Or will they develop a new character?

Tennant and Piper worked well together too.

The Doctor needs a companion. It's the formula.

They've cast British TV actress Freema Agyeman. She's cute enough in a British sort of way. I doubt she'll be as satisfying as Piper, but I'm open to surprises. Judging from December's Christmas special, there will be a fair amount of brooding over Rose's departure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/173/launch2007.jpg

[jimski]

The NYCC has its own podcast of the con, which is basically them podcasting the panels in their entirety. The BSG panel hosted by Kevin Smith is up now.FYI.

[masherscf]

The NYCC has its own podcast of the con, which is basically them podcasting the panels in their entirety. The BSG panel hosted by Kevin Smith is up now.FYI.

For a minute, by dyslexia kicked in and I thought you were talkin' about CCNY, the City College of New York.

[jerome]

"Continued in 2008"

well frakk me.

[conorkilpatrick]

I seriously just had my mind blown.

I think my jaw swung open once "Said the joker to the thief" was uttered and didn't close until the show was over. And my eyes bugged out right at the end there when the bogey was revealed.

So God is... Bob Dylan? Jimi Hendrix?

[jerome]

I seriously just had my mind blown.

I think my jaw swung open once "Said the joker to the thief" was uttered and didn't close until the show was over. And my eyes bugged out right at the end there when the bogey was revealed.

So God is... Bob Dylan? Jimi Hendrix?

Dylan and Hendrix both. They are a people of multiple gods.

i may just not remember, but i think that's the first time they've used an actual song as background music, as opposed to orchestral. and as a major plot point no less. That bogey definitely made my eyes pop out. but that last "familiar image" before the credits really did it for me.

has everyone who watches (all three of us) seen this already? can i stop being vague?

[conorkilpatrick]

i may just not remember, but i think that's the first time they've used an actual song as background music, as opposed to orchestral. and as a major plot point no less.

The whole episode I'm going "there must be some kind of way out of here... there must be some kind of way out of here... that's from something... what is that from?" I mean, I KNOW the song, it's just that watching BSG my pop culture reference brain shuts off because it won't be needed.

That bogey definitely made my eyes pop out. but that last "familiar image" before the credits really did it for me.

Oh, me too. I went "Aaaah!" It was almost an uncomfrotable image because nothing that familiar is supposed to be on-screen.

[labor_days]

Holy hells. The last 10 minutes or so of last night's BSG was spectacular.

When Col. Tigh walked out of that room and said, "that's the man I want to be...", I nearly jumped out of my seat and cheered. The use and significance of Dylan's "Along The Watchtower" was the icing on the cake.

What an incredibly well written show!

[jerome]

When Col. Tigh walked out of that room and said, "that's the man I want to be...", I nearly jumped out of my seat and cheered.

Do you think he's going to tell Adama anytime soon? Considering the actions of the last Cylon sleeper cell (i.e. Boomer shooting Adama), he and the other three pose a considerable threat to anyone on the ship if they were meant to operate in a similar manner.

[labor_days]

Do you think he's going to tell Adama anytime soon? Considering the actions of the last Cylon sleeper cell (i.e. Boomer shooting Adama), he and the other three pose a considerable threat to anyone on the ship if they were meant to operate in a similar manner.

I honestly don't know where he's going to end up. In one respect everything we know about Tigh has changed. Yet at the same time we are left to consider Tigh's hatred for, as he see it- traitors to humanity and his continuing loyalty to Adama. It's a brilliant position to put that character in.

The episode was ambivalent about the ultimate fate of the Cylon sleeper agents. We know they know who they are. And from Tigh and the others actions as the Cylon fleet descended upon them- the sleeper agents seem to be committed to human fleet. So far.

I wonder if sleeper agents were activated by the Cyclons or proximity to Earth?

As an aside: Starbuck. The fifth Cylon?

[tokenuser]

Starbuck as the 5th cylon is too obvious. I think its just that she had a Sheridan at Z'ha'dum, or Gandalf at Moria type experience ... perhaps the maelstrom was in fact a wormhole, and she was projected across space to Earth (in a John Crichton in Farscape type fashion).

If anyone is a cylon, I think its Gaeda for sure.

I am not sure that the other 4 are cylons either, but the God's are screwing with them if they aren't. I wonder if Starbuck brought any other music back with her on her iPod (because there has to be a tie in their someway).

[conorkilpatrick]

The use and significance of Dylan's "Along The Watchtower" was the icing on the cake.

An impending Apocalypse?

[conorkilpatrick]

If anyone is a cylon, I think its Gaeda for sure.

Wouldn't he have heard the music, then?

[tokenuser]

Wouldn't he have heard the music, then?Thats why I am not sure the others are cylons either. Its too convenient ... and what if he did hear the music, but we just don't know it? OR that the music was only heard by those that didn't know they were cylons. There was no indication that Caprica 6, or Athena heard the music either - they shared the dream with Roslin (which could have benn just because Roslin has hybrid cylon "DNA" in her body after her cancer treatment).

Quick addendum: Season three was pretty much a dead season for me EXCEPT for two episodes that really stand out - the liberation of New Caprica, and last night. They could have dropped 1/2 of the other episodes, and I wouldn't have cared.

[jerome]

Thats why I am not sure the others are cylons either. Its too convenient ... and what if he did hear the music, but we just don't know it? OR that the music was only heard by those that didn't know they were cylons. There was no indication that Caprica 6, or Athena heard the music either - they shared the dream with Roslin (which could have benn just because Roslin has hybrid cylon "DNA" in her body after her cancer treatment).

The one's who heard the music are a different type of Cylon. Wasn't it mentioned on the show that the final five were different in some way from the others?

[labor_days]

Hmm. Was there anything other than the decision to conitune doing their jobs that would intimate Tigh and the others are not Cylons?

Only they heard the music. All four were distracted over the past weeks; Tyrol and temple, Troy at the press conference, Ander's atop the Viper and Tigh's recent breakdown. All seemed "lost" in the prior episodes.

Let us not forget Lampkin leaving his cane in the door way. Foreshadowing? Oh yes. I think they are the final five.

[labor_days]

Tyrol specifically mentioned a "switch being flipped on" in the scene where they all meet in the tiny room. If they are Cylons, they are clearly different from Six and Sharon.

[conorkilpatrick]

Thats why I am not sure the others are cylons either. Its too convenient ... and what if he did hear the music, but we just don't know it? OR that the music was only heard by those that didn't know they were cylons.

I am totally convinced that they are cylons, I think they big reveal scene was too dramatic to have it be a feint.

There was no indication that Caprica 6, or Athena heard the music either - they shared the dream with Roslin (which could have benn just because Roslin has hybrid cylon "DNA" in her body after her cancer treatment).

That's a good point. I just don't think it's Gaeda... :)

[conorkilpatrick]

Let us not forget Lampkin leaving his cane in the door way. Foreshadowing? Oh yes. I think they are the final five.

Lampkin's the fifth, you say? I thought he was just faking the extent of his injury to gain courtroom sympathy.

I loved Lampkin.

[labor_days]

I don't know if he's the fifth sleeper. But there is definitely more to Lampkin and his defense of Baltar. If Lampkin was the fifth Cylon would he not have found his way to the small room as well? Or perhaps he was off ship by then.

Last night's episode got me all twisted around.

[conorkilpatrick]

I don't know if he's the fifth sleeper. But there is definitely more to Lampkin and his defense of Baltar. If Lampkin was the fifth Cylon would he not have found his way to the small room as well? Or perhaps he was off ship by then.

Aren't The Five not just sleeper Cylons, but the Cylon ruling class or somesuch? The other Cylons seem to refer to The Five in reverent tones. Xena even went so far as to risk getting boxed up to see their faces.

[labor_days]

Aren't The Five not just sleeper Cylons, but the Cylon ruling class or somesuch? The other Cylons seem to refer to The Five in reverent tones. Xena even went so far as to risk getting boxed up to see their faces.Yes, the five's divine-like status within Cylon culture is at the least implied. You also gotta figure the final five are not known to the rest of the Cylons for a reason. Perhaps part of that reason is the deep cover they assumed. Another can be their status among Cylons.

The Cylons don't know exactly who the final five are. But that may not necessarily rule out a larger Cylon plan. For all their reverence regarding the final five, the Cylons seemed to be awfully hesitant to find out who they were.

This is one of the things that makes me so curious as to who or what activated Tigh and the rest. Were they designed to active as they approached Earth or was there a predestined timetable?

Lampkin could be one of the five but if he was off ship when the others convened or not- we don't really know yet. Suppose, Lampkin was a Cylon, whose mission was to set into motion a series of events that would lead to the activation of the final five?

A lot to chew on till this is resolved next year.

[tokenuser]

What if the five aren't cylons at all? Given the nature of the other cylons created, it makes sense that the skin jobs didn't evolve by themselves.

What if (in an "intelligent design" sort of way) the 5 are humans responsible for the creation of the skin jobs, and the ones behind the cylon war. True, they would be older by now, but could be cybernetically enhanced. Adama fought in the original Cylon wars, so they would be at least his age if not older.

I think there are going to be lots of theories between now and next year.

Damn I hate this show.

[labor_days]

Tigh and possibly Tyrol could have fought in the first Cylon War. Anders and Tory don't seem that old though.

What's the definetive time frame between the start of S1E1 and the end of the first Cylon War?


useless observation #256: Cylon or not, Rekha Sharma (http://www.greymattermedia.com/prisoners/images/RekhaSharmaHead.jpg) (Tory Foster) is smoking hot.

[tokenuser]

Tigh and possibly Tyrol could have fought in the first Cylon War. Anders and Tory don't seem that old though. According to the wiki entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(TV_miniseries)#Cast) the war was 40 years prior to the attack on Caprica. BSG was 50 years old and being decommissioned into a museum, and both Adama and Tigh had been Viper pilots in the final stages of the war.

That means they were either very young, or are now both over 60. It is because of the long time Tigh/Adama connection that I have my doubts that he is a Cylon.

[masherscf]

You guys are just getting lead down the primrose path by those writers. I don't think any of them are Cylons anymore...

[conorkilpatrick]

You guys are just getting lead down the primrose path by those writers. I don't think any of them are Cylons anymore...

Why......?

[masherscf]

Why......?

Because, it's all too easy. The characters hear some music for an episode of two then suddenly, WHAMMO, we're all Cylons now? There's been no other foreshadowing. There hasn't been a hint. It's also completely out of character for at least two of them. I don't buy it. The shared music is something else. The writers are just fracking with you guys.

Besides, I'm with T/U. The final five aren't just Cylon skin jobs. They're something else. Maybe they're actually unique individuals.

[conorkilpatrick]

Because, it's all too easy. The characters hear some music for an episode of two then suddenly, WHAMMO, we're all Cylons now? There's been no other foreshadowing. There hasn't been a hint. It's also completely out of character for at least two of them. I don't buy it. The shared music is something else. The writers are just fracking with you guys.

Besides, I'm with T/U. The final five aren't just Cylon skin jobs. They're something else. Maybe they're actually unique individuals.

I think they have foreshadowed heavily with Chief. That whole mystical connection to the temple now makes perfect sense.

And unless they were outright lying (which is always entirely possible) the producers said that we'd learn the identities of more Cylons in the season finale, so...

The bottom line for me is that I think they are Cylons but if they're not I wouldn't be surprised but I'd feel totally ripped off.

[tokenuser]

Besides, I'm with T/U. The final five aren't just Cylon skin jobs. They're something else. Maybe they're actually unique individuals.Pans out ....

Carl Sagan
Rick Deckard
Anakin Skywalker
Buck Rogers
Gene Roddenberry

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[masherscf]

Pans out ....

Carl Sagan
Rick Deckard
Anakin Skywalker
Buck Rogers
Gene Roddenberry

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did anyone else expect to see "Don't Panic" printed across the screen in large freindly letters.

[masherscf]

... I'd feel totally ripped off.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be pissed too. But, I think that funny sound in the corridors of the Galactica just might be an immense ripping sound...

[conorkilpatrick]

Did anyone else expect to see "Don't Panic" printed across the screen in large freindly letters.

For a second or two when the camera pulled out through the universe I thought we were going to pull all the way out to find them inside Bob Dylan's eyeball.

Seriously.

(I watched it at 1am - I was somewhat loopy)

[tokenuser]

Did anyone else expect to see "Don't Panic" printed across the screen in large freindly letters.Actually, someone spray painted it across the bow of the Galactica ... you can see it as Kryton comes in for a landing in the starbug.

It just occurred to me that Adama has experience hunting skin jobs (http://brmovie.com/Profiles/BR_Char_Gaff.htm). He knows the drill. Tigh can't fool him.

"ASK HIM THE TORTOISE QUESTION!"

[jerome]

Don't get me wrong, I'll be pissed too. But, I think that funny sound in the corridors of the Galactica just might be an immense ripping sound...

if they're just frakking with us that would dissapoint me in a way that this show has never dissapointed me. like "miss my ballet recital" dissapointed.

... i mean, baseball game.

[JAFlanagan]

I think the show keeps people on their toes so much that we refuse to beleive anything, even if it's right there in your face.

Seriously though, how about Lee's acting chops? He's not just a ridiculously defined jawbone people. He can read pages of dialog!

[mister-s]

Wait, Josh are you serious or not? I can't read your sarcasm...

[JAFlanagan]

I've had that problem before. I shall clarify.

I'm serious. I think Lee did a great job. They started out the season with him all fat (which was AWESOME), and now they gave him all this material to chew on and created this meaty character.

[conorkilpatrick]

Lee Adama - From Fat to Meaty

[drwally]

Everytime I see this thread, I want to chime in, but I'm about 5 episodes behind...this thread keeps looking at me, enticing me, but I know it's total "Spoilers on the DRETIS, Commander..."

So I'm just going to FTL my way out of here... carry on.

[labor_days]

Tigh and the others being Cylons is too big a revelation for it not to lead to something equally as big.

I don't think their being Cylons is "too easy" either. The sleeper agents were revealed logically and it didn't seem forced at all to me. Surprising? Yes.

[conorkilpatrick]

Battlestar Galactica Show Runner Ron Moore Dishes on Starbuck, Slobber and Those Secret Cylons
By Kristin Veitch
Mar 26, 2007 12:13 PM


Note: Do not read this if you haven't seen the season finale of Battlestar Galactica!

Frakkin' A! How frakkin' good was that season finale?!

If you watch Battlestar Galactica (and if you don't, you are so missing out!), your jaw is still on the floor following the revelation of four more Cylon models, not to mention the return of someone very special whom we thought we had lost.

To help you recover from the shock and regain your bearings (it's so hard to make intergalactic treks without bearings), I rang up Battlestar Galactica show runner Ronald D. Moore to find out what the frak is going on—and asked him to answer some of your burning questions.

And by the way, after last night's season finale and from the interview you're about to read, I'm convinced the "D" in Ronald D. Moore stands for "diabolical genius."

The identities of the four Cylons are so shocking! Tory's always been a little iffy, but the loyalties of Anders, Tigh and the Chief seemed beyond question, and they led the resistance on New Caprica. None of them were the usual suspects. Is there any sort of relationship between that sort of human loyalty and their Cylonity?
I don't know that it's directly connected. If you're asking if that was part of the plan to have them take that cover, then no. They're very much unaware of how they could be Cylons, they're confused by the knowledge, and they don't have an agenda. It's not the same as when Sharon was a Cylon—they haven't been to the Cylon parties. All they really know is they're Cylons. They have this revelation to themselves of what their true nature is, but beyond that they have no idea what the agenda is or if they have an agenda or how this could have happened. They're very much in the dark, much like the audience is.

And just because there will be debate, can you confirm that they are Cylons?
Yes, they're Cylons.

Will we meet the fifth Cylon eventually, and when?
Yes, I think we will eventually reveal the fifth Cylon. "When" is a tougher question to answer, because we haven't really decided ourselves.

And you won't tell us this if you know what's good for you, but have we met that Cylon before?
Oh, I can't answer that.

I have questions that were emailed from readers. The first one is from Alesia: "In one of the podcasts, you said 'Maelstrom' [where Starbuck dies] was the beginning of the third act of the series. What would you say was the break between the first and second acts?"
Oh, that's an interesting question. I would say it was the year's leap forward that was the end of the first act. The story of New Caprica—that, to me, was the second act of the show.

Now, Starbuck seems to be back, but is Katee Sackhoff contracted to do season four? Is there more Starbuck story to tell?
Yes, Katee will be back with us for season four. We couldn't let her go.

Does Kara Thrace's special destiny have anything to do with the identity of her father?
Of her father? No.

What does it mean for fans of the show that Katee and Tricia are both shooting pilots?
They are shooting pilots, but they're not going to be regulars on those shows, so it's nothing to worry about.

Another fan Q, from Terai80: "If and when they reach Earth, which Starbuck says she has done, would we see the survivors of the colonies interacting with the earthlings?"
I think it really depends when in our history they arrive, but that's one of the questions we're holding off on for now.

Do you personally believe that the prophecies are true in this universe, and if so, is Laura Roslin necessarily the dying leader?
She's not necessarily the dying leader, but she's probably the dying leader. That'll be one of the issues that'll get wrestled over in the fourth season, and the prophecies, as we've seen, have a great deal of relevance to the people of Galactica. But at the same time, that doesn't mean every single one will come true or every single one is relevant to their story.

Here's a big one that I'm personally quite invested in. Kmags wants to know: "Will Roslin and Adama ever get together?" And I think she means in the traditional, make-out, slobber-all-over-each-other sense.
[Laughs.] I don't know if we'll ever get to that point. We're moving that relationship forward into the fourth season, whether it actually gets to actually swapping saliva, I’m not sure.
[B]
Another reader, David Fouse, asks: "Is Hera the first human-Cylon hybrid, or were there maybe other ones before her?"
Uh...I don't think I'll answer that one.

From Menamarie: "Are the Cylons all working to a larger goal, or are there different factions with their own agendas?"
I think we've started to suggest that some might have their own agendas. D'Anna certainly had her own agenda, and it ended up getting her boxed. I think there are divisions within the Cylon nation itself, and I think those divisions and fissures will only grow as the fourth season goes on.

Do those factions have leaders? Cavil seemed to be a little bit more knowing...
I think certain leadership will start to develop on both sides of the divide.

And what can you tell people to tide them over in the long, lonely months between this finale and the beginning of next season?
Well, they'll certainly have enough to chew on. I expect there will be a whole range of reactions to this finale. I suspect they'll either love it or hate it. The reaction when people see the finale should certainly carry us along for a while, and then I'll just try to make a concerted effort to blog more and go on message boards a bit more and keep contact with the fans and give stuff for them to chew on.

What can you tell us about the "special two-hour extended event that will air during fourth quarter 2007 and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter"?
You're not by chance reading from a press release, are you? We think of it essentially as two extra episodes, and it will not pick up directly from the huge cliffhanger we have at the end of season three with the revelations of Cylons and Starbuck. The extended episodes will essentially go back and tell a story about the Pegasus. We'll deal with events in the past that we've never shown before, but those two eps will also set up some things that will pay off in the fourth season.

And Michelle Forbes might be in there somewhere?
Yes, exactly.

Kbroxmysox asks: "Do you watch Veronica Mars or The Office, and how do you feel when they name-check your show?"
I don't watch Veronica Mars, even though I know I should because everyone talks about it. And I do watch The Office. I love it when they do the shout-outs! I'm usually directed to them when they happen, and I'll find them on YouTube or someone will send me a clip, and they're very, very cool.

(Quick, someone send this man some frakkin' Veronica Mars DVDs! Plus, check back later for the chat, where we'll have even more from Moore! Yes, it's an embarrassment of BSG riches...Can you stand it?)

—Additional reporting by Jennifer Godwin

[labor_days]

And just because there will be debate, can you confirm that they are Cylons?
Yes, they're Cylons. Well, I guess that clears up a part of the post-season speculation. There's just no credible way the writers could back down from the reveal of the final four Cylons after that episode.

[conorkilpatrick]

Hmmm....

Here's more from AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32045):

In an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s Rob Owen, Moore reveals that, yes, Galen Tyrol, Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Tory Foster are indeed four of the “final five” Cylons. But Moore also cautions that they are “fundamentally different Cylons.”

I'll say! Bill Adama and a lot of others in the colonial fleet witnessed Saul Tigh serving in Cylon War I 40 years ago. He may have even been around before the “invention” of the toaster centurions!

Which begs the question, “What are Cylons”? The opening of the show each week tells us that they were “created by man” and that they “evolved” and that they “have a plan.”

But. The Final Five Cylons were lurking in the Eye of Jupiter, an edifice supposedly built by human ancestors (or gods, or something) 3,000 years before the toasters were supposedly “invented.”

The proposed “Caprica” prequel series, set 50 to 70 years before “Galactica,” would center on civil rights attorney Joseph Adama (Bill’s dad) and his opposition to the early Cylon-creating efforts of somebody named “Greystone.” So was Greystone a Cylon? Was he somehow influenced or directed by Cylons all those years ago to create these robots? And if so, why?

And how long ago did the Final Five Cylons “evolve”? And how long has “the plan” been in place?

SciFi programming exec Mark Stern once told Owen that the “Caprica” pilot script ends with an explanation of how the Cylons were named:

"Cybernetic, something, organism" was as much as Stern could remember.

(If anybody has a copy of that “Caprica” pilot script, there are - needless to say - a few of us over here who sure would be keen to read it!!)


More in the link.

[jerome]

The Caprica show is definitely something i'm looking forward to, especially if the rumors about season 4 being the last season are true.

[conorkilpatrick]

The Caprica show is definitely something i'm looking forward to, especially if the rumors about season 4 being the last season are true.

There are also rumors that the Caprica show is on hold, possibly indefinitely.

[cam-]

OH hey so I JUST watched the season finale after weeks trying to get together with my BSG friends to watch it on PVR.

AND DAMN so awesome, so so awesome.

BUt here's the thing. If the cheif is a Cylon...and he's got a baby with what her face (you know who I mean) what's the big deal about Hera?

THere's already a human cylon baby kicking around.

Just a thought, but what a show. Love it. Can't wait for more.

[conorkilpatrick]

BUt here's the thing. If the cheif is a Cylon...and he's got a baby with what her face (you know who I mean) what's the big deal about Hera?

THere's already a human cylon baby kicking around.

That is true. There would be multiple hybrid babies. Matbe it's the new race, or a solution to the Cylon/Human conflict.

Unless Callie is the Fifth. Which I doubt.

Meanwhile, "It's in the frakkin' ship" has become the new catchphrase around the iFanboy offices.

[labor_days]

Perhaps the sleeper Cyclons are wholly different in design from the type Boomer/Sharon is. I really think there is something profoundly different about them from the skin-jobs we've seen so far.

Unlike Lampkin, Callie was clearly still aboard Galactica when the four sleepers met. If she were a Cyclon she would have been in the little room with Tigh & company.

[cam-]

That is true. There would be multiple hybrid babies. Matbe it's the new race, or a solution to the Cylon/Human conflict.

Unless Callie is the Fifth. Which I doubt.

Meanwhile, "It's in the frakkin' ship" has become the new catchphrase around the iFanboy offices.

For a minute there I thought the President was the fifth, but then thought why would her assistant ALSO be a cylon. Still, her ability to communicate with cylons in dreams makes me squirm a little. Chaulk it up to half cylon blood I guess.

And No wonder Saul led the charge to throw humans out the airlock. HE'S a CYLON!! I'm still wrapping my head around it...

[ilse]

I still have a hard time believing Tigh, Chief, Samuel T Anders, and Tori are cyclons. When they first went down to New Caprica, couldn't the cylons have taken them and made cyclon copies of each person? Maybe the real Tigh, Chief, Sanuel T Anders and Tori are still on New Caprica and when Battlestar Galactica rescued everyone, the cyclon copies of the four came on board. I just have a very hard time believing that they would reveal 4 cyclons at once. They insist that these four really are cyclons. Okay, so they are, but they're not the real Tigh, Chief, Samuel T Anders, and Tori.

[conorkilpatrick]

I still have a hard time believing Tigh, Chief, Samuel T Anders, and Tori are cyclons. When they first went down to New Caprica, couldn't the cylons have taken them and made cyclon copies of each person? Maybe the real Tigh, Chief, Sanuel T Anders and Tori are still on New Caprica and when Battlestar Galactica rescued everyone, the cyclon copies of the four came on board. I just have a very hard time believing that they would reveal 4 cyclons at once. They insist that these four really are cyclons. Okay, so they are, but they're not the real Tigh, Chief, Samuel T Anders, and Tori.

Welcome to the forums!

Why don't you think they are cylons? Especially Anders and Tori, who we basically know nothing about.

[six-gun]

Welcome to the forums!

Why don't you think they are cylons? Especially Anders and Tori, who we basically know nothing about.

I clicked here accidentaly, and have now had this season ruined (I'm slowly catching up via DVD's and now iTunes) oh well. It's the ride, no tthe destination right? Right?... anybody?

[jimski]

Here's the good news: it'll be so long before anything else happens, you'll have forgotten this whole conversation.

[r0blaw]

I still have a hard time believing Tigh, Chief, Samuel T Anders, and Tori are cyclons. When they first went down to New Caprica, couldn't the cylons have taken them and made cyclon copies of each person? Maybe the real Tigh, Chief, Sanuel T Anders and Tori are still on New Caprica and when Battlestar Galactica rescued everyone, the cyclon copies of the four came on board. I just have a very hard time believing that they would reveal 4 cyclons at once. They insist that these four really are cyclons. Okay, so they are, but they're not the real Tigh, Chief, Samuel T Anders, and Tori.

From all that I have heard on websites and on Ron Moore's podcast they are really cylons. But they're a different kind of cylon. And they wouldn't have made copies because they didn't know who the final five were either. Remember what Caprica Six told Baltar back in season 2 on Kobol. "This has all happened before, and it will happen again". I think these 4 and the final unknown Cylon will have a lot to do with that part. I don't see them letting anyone else know what they are.

[ilse]

They can't be. Lee Adama and Gaeta are cyclons. Don't remember male cyclons name, but he told Roslyn that Adama was a cyclon. He's just not the type of cyclon that would lie! I don't think he meant Commander Adama. It's got to be Lee. Different subject, Can't remember which season, but remember when they showed Lee Adama floating on water and then it shows him going under. What's that? Did he try to commit suicide. Didn't Tigh also try to commit suicide. And what about Chiefs dreams about jumping. Wasn't he also dreaming that he was commiting suicide. Is there a connection? Probably not? I love Battlestar Galactica but it makes me suspicious of every little thing. Someone else mentioned a scene right before Boomer shoots Adama. Gaeta approaches Boomer and congrats her on blowing up cyclon base. Camera shows mid bodies of both and it looks like he's handing her something. Either he extended his hand to congratulate her or he handed her a gun to shoot Adama with. I've watched this in slow motion and it looks like Boomers gun is still in her holster. The gun she used was in her hand hidden behind her back right before she shot him. Everything I just mentioned probably means nothing, but that's the fun of watching Battlestar Galactica. We're always guessing. Wouldn't it be a kicker if at the end we find out they're all cyclons! Take a slow motion look at Gaeta and Boomer right before she shoots Adama. Tell me that doesn't look suspicious. The other four probably are cyclons, and I'm just being stupid. I really believed Lee Adama and Gaeta were cyclons, but I guess the writeres make it up as they go!

[conorkilpatrick]

They can't be. Lee Adama and Gaeta are cyclons... I really believed Lee Adama and Gaeta were cyclons, but I guess the writeres make it up as they go!

There is one more cylon still unidentified so one of them still could be(though I don't believe that either one is, personally).

[conedude13]

There is one more cylon still unidentified so one of them still could be(though I don't believe that either one is, personally).

Was i the only one that caught the last episode of season three? Starbuck is the fifth. She was killed in the storm then was reborn on Earth. It was the last scene in the last episode of season 3.

[conorkilpatrick]

Was i the only one that caught the last episode of season three? Starbuck is the fifth. She was killed in the storm then was reborn on Earth. It was the last scene in the last episode of season 3.

Either that or she wasn't actually killed before. We never saw a body. We don't know yet.

[cam-]

Either that or she wasn't actually killed before. We never saw a body. We don't know yet.

Plus she was reaching ever so hard for that eject...if you can't trust starbuck who can you trust?

[cam-]

Don't remember male cyclons name, but he told Roslyn that Adama was a cyclon. He's just not the type of cyclon that would lie!

I totally disagree, he's the cylon I trust LEAST of all.

[six-gun]

Okay, I've only watched up to Exodus pt. 2, but my theory is that Earth is the Cylon homeworld.

[r0blaw]

I have gotten several people into Battlestar, including Mister S, all from my love of the Crap-tacular original 1978 version(which was two years before I was born). I think I peed my pants a little bit when I first heard about the new mini-series, and I know I peed myself when they made that into this great series.

[jason-h]

Was i the only one that caught the last episode of season three? Starbuck is the fifth. She was killed in the storm then was reborn on Earth. It was the last scene in the last episode of season 3.

Dude, i don't know...If lee is a Cylon it might be a hallucination like 6 and baltar. They did get it on.

[cam-]

Hey all, just saw on the internet thing here, that Battlestar is OVER!!!

The Forth Season will be the last with the show ending in 2008.

Creators say they listened to their internal voices and want to end the show on their own terms.

Nifty.

[cam-]

Here's a link

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/TV_Guide/TVNews/Articles/070604_battlestar_GD

MSN yeesh...

[six-gun]

Hey all, just saw on the internet thing here, that Battlestar is OVER!!!

The Forth Season will be the last with the show ending in 2008.

Creators say they listened to their internal voices and want to end the show on their own terms.

Nifty.

My initial reaction was kind of angry, but now. I'm happy that the show's creators are going to get to end their show the way they want to!

[cam-]

Yeah, I felt the same way, still, nice to have the show end on the creators terms instead of being dragged on and on at a producers whim.

I mean does anyone remember the Robert Patrick years of the X-files? I don't cause I couldn't watch them.

It's interesting, in thinking about Sci-fi books for the prose thread I realized the similarities in Battlestar to Foundation. Mainly the two isolated settlements at either end of the Galaxys concept...

[kwok_talk]

I mean does anyone remember the Robert Patrick years of the X-files? I don't cause I couldn't watch them.


When I first read that, I was like “When did that happen?” Then I remembered. One point for Cam.

[r0blaw]

Hey all, just saw on the internet thing here, that Battlestar is OVER!!!

The Forth Season will be the last with the show ending in 2008.

Creators say they listened to their internal voices and want to end the show on their own terms.

Nifty.

I'm not really surprised. It took them forever to announce that they would even get a fourth season. And when it was announced it was about half a season. But they bumped it up to the most episodes of any season, so I saw the writing on the wall. But I would rather have Ron Moore do it his way. This isn't a show that could last a decade. But it's my favorite show on at the moment.

[conorkilpatrick]

I'm not really surprised. It took them forever to announce that they would even get a fourth season. And when it was announced it was about half a season. But they bumped it up to the most episodes of any season, so I saw the writing on the wall. But I would rather have Ron Moore do it his way. This isn't a show that could last a decade. But it's my favorite show on at the moment.

Also, the viewership is way, way down.

I'm not shocked at all. Besides, a show like this needs to have a definite ending. You don't want them on the run in space forever.

[mikegraham6]

Forgive me if this was brought up already, but im catching up on BSG on DVD and i'm not going to be looking at any of the posts above mine to avoid spoilers.
i just finished watching the season 2.0 dvd and i can't believe how amazing the Pegasus episode was.
Up until this point, this show was good but not really great. but this episode brought it to a new level. i love how the writers make the audience feel so conflicted about the cylon prisoners (they're robots, but do they have human rights?) and the military standoff at the end just blew me away. Again the viewer is conflicted, it's a time of war and the Pegasus crew are merely following military protocal, while Adama and his crew have adapted to the new situation that the Cylon attack brought about. Both sides are understandable and while i sympathize with the BSG crew (since they are the ones we have been following) you can understand where the Pegasus crew are coming from.
Still, i can't believe that this show has gone as dark as it has, the rape scene would only be hinted at in most shows, but here it's shoved down your throat, forcing the audience to deal with it.
And from what i hear, it only gets better from here on out. I just hope it continues to challenge the viewer like it did me with this episode.

So to retread old ground here guys, i know this thread is called BSG season 3, but i just had to mention this somewhere and this seemed like the most appropriate place.

[cam-]

THe Pegasus episodes are awesome!!! Glad you're digging the show Mike.

On the darkness thing, uhhh, it only get darker so I hope it doesn't bother you too much. The beginning of the third season was particularly rough. Who knows what the fourth has in store.

Interestingly, the original Pegasus episodes are great too!! Lloyd Bridges plays the Commander of the Pegasus in a more serious role than his Airplane stuff. Great 70's cheese.

Much better than the "Enemy Mine" style episode where "Face" befriends a Cylon he names "Cy".

[mikegraham6]

Im loving the dark drama of this show. I had heard that one of the complaints about the series was that there was too much character drama and not enough action. But for me as someone who doesn't really enjoy sci-fi, its all about this character drama, thats what i love. The only time i think they go a bit overboard is with the Gaius/number 6 relationship. Its good in small doses, but it never really seems to be going anywhere (in most cases anyway).

Is the original series any good? i hear it's really campy and nothing like this series at all (except for the character names of course)

[jerome]

mike, if you really enjoyed the pegasus episodes, you'll be glad to hear that they're doing some sort of special before the start of season 4 that revisits the crew of the pegasus before they met up with galactica. I'd look for the link, but i'm lazy :)

[mikegraham6]

mike, if you really enjoyed the pegasus episodes, you'll be glad to hear that they're doing some sort of special before the start of season 4 that revisits the crew of the pegasus before they met up with galactica. I'd look for the link, but i'm lazy :)

do you know when season 4 starts? or when the 3rd season comes out on dvd for that matter? im going to start watching the 2.5 dvds tonight before the hockey game, and i'll probably be done by friday...

[jerome]

the pegasus special is gonna be airing in november and season 4 is supposed to start early 2008 as far as i've heard.

[mikegraham6]

this season's been good then? im only watching it on DVD. While i felt it started stong and then kinda petered out, the finale of season 3 kinda broke my brain. crazy stuff

EDIT: i do have one question though, do they explain the song that was sung at the end of the episode? you know which one im talking about, that was f'ed up

[gungadin]

this season's been good then? im only watching it on DVD. While i felt it started stong and then kinda petered out, the finale of season 3 kinda broke my brain. crazy stuff

EDIT: i do have one question though, do they explain the song that was sung at the end of the episode? you know which one im talking about, that was f'ed up

The season started off really slow, but it's really, really picked up really fast... It's a lot of exposition and setting up where people are going to go and relationships and how they're going to play out... But as of about the third episode it's good and last week's was just excellent.

If you want to catch up, go to Hulu (http://hulu.com)and check it out. You've still got time...


Edit: No, they haven't answered "the song" question... But if we're to believe what Moore's said about it, it's part of the larger picture of the show and where it's going and the larger mythology behind Earth and the final five.

[mikegraham6]

If you want to catch up, go to Hulu (http://hulu.com)and check it out. You've still got time...

Like all good American Internet sites, this is restricted to Americans only. BOO!

Edit: No, they haven't answered "the song" question... But if we're to believe what Moore's said about it, it's part of the larger picture of the show and where it's going and the larger mythology behind Earth and the final five.

As long as it gets answered i'll be happy, that, for me, was the single most interesting part of the finale

[gungadin]

Like all good American Internet sites, this is restricted to Americans only. BOO!

Sorry, dude :(

SciFi.com might have it all...

As long as it gets answered i'll be happy, that, for me, was the single most interesting part of the finale

Yeah. They'll answer it... If you listen to the "Frak Party" Q&A on the BSG podcast they did after the season three finale (which was awesome... Listening to them talk about the show and what's up with him and everything was frakkin brilliant) he talks about how the song itself has been wrapped in his mind for years and the incorporation of an "Earth song" has been something he's wanted to do since first season on Caprica but didn't feel right until now. They've got an answer... All we're doing now is playing the waiting game...

[horatio616]

this season's been good then? im only watching it on DVD. While i felt it started stong and then kinda petered out, the finale of season 3 kinda broke my brain. crazy stuff

EDIT: i do have one question though, do they explain the song that was sung at the end of the episode? you know which one im talking about, that was f'ed up

The lyrics to the song "All Along the Watchtower" supposedly make vague refrences to the "final five" Cylons. I believe I heard Moore say on the episode podcasts that it was important that the version used in the show not be Dylan's version so that viewers wouldn't make connections to a specific time. It's more about the meaning behind the song rather than the song itself being relevant to the plot. A wink at the audience, I guess. Ugh. Did any of that make sense at all? I'm not very coherent today.

[mikegraham6]

basically the only reasoning i can think of behind it is the fact that radio and television waves continue beyond our atmosphere into space and the cylons probably picked it up and implanted it in the final 5. Now it takes centuries for these signals to leave our galaxies so im willing to bet that by the time BSG reaches earth it will be a future version of earth and not our present day one.

Sorry for directing the BSG chat here but i don't want to TOUCH that BSG thread for fear of spoilers. and besides this isn't technically BSG Season 4 talk anyway ;)

[mikegraham6]

The lyrics to the song "All Along the Watchtower" supposedly make vague refrences to the "final five" Cylons. I believe I heard Moore say on the episode podcasts that it was important that the version used in the show not be Dylan's version so that viewers wouldn't make connections to a specific time. It's more about the meaning behind the song rather than the song itself being relevant to the plot. A wink at the audience, I guess. Ugh. Did any of that make sense at all? I'm not very coherent today.
there are differences lyrics wise between the dylan and the hendrix version?

[gungadin]

basically the only reasoning i can think of behind it is the fact that radio and television waves continue beyond our atmosphere into space and the cylons probably picked it up and implanted it in the final 5. Now it takes centuries for these signals to leave our galaxies so im willing to bet that by the time BSG reaches earth it will be a future version of earth and not our present day one.

But we can't make that claim. One of the mantras of Battlestar Galactica is the phrase "All this has happened before and will happen again." The song could be like an earlier version of the Bob Dylan song, forgotten but now played through again this time the story plays out. Leoben says it to Kara in the first season: "We'll go through this again, but the pieces will change. Maybe you'll be in my seat and I'll be in yours." The rendition of the song might not have anything to do with the Earth version, radio waves or no... It could be coming from the distant past and the story's playing out in the present. We really just don't know.

[mikegraham6]

But we can't make that claim. One of the mantras of Battlestar Galactica is the phrase "All this has happened before and will happen again." The song could be like an earlier version of the Bob Dylan song, forgotten but now played through again this time the story plays out. Leoben says it to Kara in the first season: "We'll go through this again, but the pieces will change. Maybe you'll be in my seat and I'll be in yours." The rendition of the song might not have anything to do with the Earth version, radio waves or no... It could be coming from the distant past and the story's playing out in the present. We really just don't know.
now if that is true, that would be one helluva mindfuck

[horatio616]

there are differences lyrics wise between the dylan and the hendrix version?

I don't know about all that, but I think he was saying the Dylan version was so iconic and identifiable and he wanted something more ethereal. I may have that all wrong, so I'd have to give the podcast another listen.

I really don't think that by using the song he's making any specific reference to time. He's really just winking at the audience. Time will tell, though.

[mikegraham6]

oh i get what you're saying, it's not so much a comparison between those two versions as it is the new version they played during the dogfight in the finale. that was definitely a different more ethereal cover of the song.

[gungadin]

now if that is true, that would be one helluva mindfuck

I think that's the point. We see the Battlestar and we think. "Okay. They're going to Earth, and Earth should be like them with the technology..." But we don't know ANYTHING about Earth. All we know is two things: 1) It's a myth told only through religious scriptures that are turning to be more and more true and 2) That it actually does exist.

Beyond that, we know nothing. Only that this story has happened before and there's strong evidence that it will happen again... So when are we? No frakkin clue.

[gungadin]

I don't know about all that, but I think he was saying the Dylan version was so iconic and identifiable and he wanted something more ethereal. I may have that all wrong, so I'd have to give the podcast another listen.

I really don't think that by using the song he's making any specific reference to time. He's really just winking at the audience. Time will tell, though.

Yeah... it's something like that... it was more than lyrics (although if you listen to it and listen closely, the song is about more than the Final Five. You could even, for example, apply it to Lee and what's he's about to go through) and more to do something radical. it's the first time they've ever played a "real" song on BSG and it was supposed to be shocking because most people (not me, I'm not a music crazy person) recognized the song right away. It's supposed to jump out at you and say "Boo! There's more here than you think." You're supposed to identify it as Earthly. When? That's the big mystery. But you're supposed to notice it and think about it, like an intentional digital watch appearing as an anachronism in a movie about Ancient Egypt.

[horatio616]

oh i get what you're saying, it's not so much a comparison between those two versions as it is the new version they played during the dogfight in the finale. that was definitely a different more ethereal cover of the song.

Yeah, he didn't want to take people out of the story with an iconic version. He didn't want people to say, "hey, that's Dylan! WTF?" He wanted people to say, "hey, I know that. Where have I heard that? Okay, now what does this mean?"

[horatio616]

It's kind of uncool to post season 4 spoilers in a thread about season 3 that was jumpstarted specifically to avoid season 4 spoilers.

Uhm, to use the term "spoilers" VERY loosely. I mean to post that actually on the season four thread. I'll do that.