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drwally
03-08-2007, 07:20 PM
The ultimate sexifier?
That's the one thing Reed's emotional maturity (and 50s dad mentality) would be the LAST thing he would think of...
kwok_talk
03-08-2007, 07:22 PM
That's the one thing Reed's emotional maturity (and 50s dad mentality) would be the LAST thing he would think of...
It's #43 on his and Tony's list.
page 9:
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/img009.jpg
page 10:
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/img010.jpg
It's #43 on his and Tony's list.
#44 is learn a joke
drwally
03-08-2007, 07:33 PM
Namor seems to have intense sexual chemistry with himself. I didn’t catch it until they brought it up with iFanboy, but man the way he’s thrusting himself and looking at his junk in CW#6 is really creepy.
So was I the only one that saw that CHECKMATE cover, thought Alan Scott was totally Boss in the story, but WHAT is with the old Green Lantern's UBER woody on the cover? That was so out of place... In the ghetto, about that cover artist, that's we call, "somebody's got some unrolved issues..."
If the artists and writers can't figure themselves out, what the heck are the kids going to think? Loved Alan Scott in Checkmate, sans woody....or maybe he just was happy to have Sasha Bordeaux on the team, or was that a very penis shaped banana in this jock strap? Just weird.
kwok_talk
03-08-2007, 07:36 PM
Haha. Thanks for posting that page. That second to last panel is the clincher. Stop thrusting your man-junk Mr. Namor! It also makes his line on that page even more creepier. Man, I need to get my mind out of the gutter.
I LOVE the last panel
'and it tells a very different story from the lies upon your lips'
drwally
03-08-2007, 07:44 PM
page 9:
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/img009.jpg
page 10:
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/img010.jpg
Once again, my magnificent friends on iFanboy fail to show me anything spectaclar. He's hitting on Sue, what is he supposed to do? Wiggle his pinky finger? And he again makes the point that the only time people are nice to him are when they what something want something for their own selfish reasons, but ignore him when something that matters to him is at stake. And he wants Sue, so what's he supposed to do, show him his sea shell collecion? Penis envy, much? He's got the most "asexual detail free" speedo in the world.
The dudes a hottie, he's a player with the ladies, what do you expect? Now let me dig out that Checkmate cover, That is SO weird and out of context...
drwally
03-08-2007, 08:14 PM
Haha. Thanks for posting that page. That second to last panel is the clincher. Stop thrusting your man-junk Mr. Namor! It also makes his line on that page even more creepier. Man, I need to get my mind out of the gutter.
Apparently Sue has a bit of a different reaction -- funny that Mr. Sexy get's all the negative flack from the fanboys, but explain this:
http://revision3.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=138&stc=1&d=1173387727
WHAT is with the Green Woody? I love Alan Scott characterization in this book, but unlike the Namor scene, this image is totally out of context, has nothing to do with the story, and unlike Namor's pretty "detail free" speedo shot, this one is like HEY! ALan SCOTT! WOODY! Boy, has that character got balls, and unless you you want to take that metephorically, let's just make sure you see WHAT those balls really look like!"
Totally gratuitious and just...weird. Artist: sexually repressed much? Trying to see what he can slip past the editor (who must have been blind as a bat)...this was like "what was the purpose of THIS?" Trying to appeal to Alan Scott's female/queer/daddy chaser readership? Is here one?
Weird. Sexual repression manifesting itself in weird ways...
Am I alone on this?
drwally
03-08-2007, 08:46 PM
holy crap that's blatant
Makes the "infamous Namor scene" look like an episode of "Dawson's creek." Granted, Namor is the "bad boy rebel" of the Marvel U, and and makes him controverisial -- and maybe why all the nice guys can't stand him. It's that "Why do all the girls go for the bad boys" irritated nerve I suspect many fanboys (including me) harbor...
But it's not like that Checkmate cover was "under the radar" --very hyped book, wasn't it? But flew totally under the radar, depite the fact that the Alan Scott in the story was NOTHING like this.
Again, a sexually repressed enviroment creates some pretty outlandish "outbursts" of weird sexual innuendo. Much healthier if its all out in the open, and people take it as "whatever," just part of life. Like Martin Luther King, Jr. said, freedom liberates everybody of any group.
conorkilpatrick
03-08-2007, 09:14 PM
But it's not like that Checkmate cover was "under the radar" --very hyped book, wasn't it? But flew totally under the radar, depite the fact that the Alan Scott in the story was NOTHING like this.
Hyped book? Perhaps by us.
December 2006 - Checkmate was #100 on the sales chart with 23,436 copies sold.
That's why you didn't hear much about that versus Namor's cock thrust* in Civil War which sold about 100k more copies.
*Granted you've only really heard about it here too because one of us (I can't even remember who anymore) found it funny.
You've got to at least admit that it takes a lot of balls to hit on someone so brazenly. I'm fairly confident in my sexual abilities and I don't think I could ever pull that off. I'd start laughing at myself.
drwally
03-09-2007, 04:03 AM
You've got to at least admit that it takes a lot of balls to hit on someone so brazenly. I'm fairly confident in my sexual abilities and I don't think I could ever pull that off. I'd start laughing at myself.
Dude,that is why Namor is THE MAN, dude, everyone else is just jealous...
"infamous cock thrust" -- hey, if the panties got no detail to them, if they are still just basically a featureless speedo, then there ain't no cock. As Namor might say,
"You surface dwellers are pathetic! You know nothing! I could destroy all your cities, hit on your women, and you would be powerless to stop me, especially with your women! And THAT is why you hate me!"
Sue Richards: *swoon*
I'm not jealous. Just pointing it out. It's all about the posture.
BY the way Wally, I listened to an episode of CBQ last night and it was good.
drwally
03-09-2007, 02:22 PM
BY the way Wally, I listened to an episode of CBQ last night and it was good.
COOL! Those guys know their stuff, and are funny, very funny. If it was "just some gay thing" I would never listen, but they really know their comics, love the medium, and the guys are more my generation when it comes to comics. But just as funny and deal with comics as well as iFanboys, and by and for readers no matter who you are. TOTALLY check out WORST COMICS EVER show, I think you would enjoy that one especially Fred, that is so up your alley. Hilarious! It's "heckle heckle heckle" and you will agree.
I've been thinking about this Sue-Namor thing, and I also remember comments on the Podcast about Sue beating down somebody, and how that was the best of the major last showdown battle of CW. I wonder if (reading between the lines) it's not so much a "Namor c*** thing," but people's desire for Sue to finally be her own woman, and stop being the doormat that Reed treats her as, which then causes her to run away (oh so briefly) to bad boy Namor--totally Rudy Valentino in "The Shiek," and Namor was created less than 15 years after Valentino made all those "sweet Sues" quiver and tremble.The "barbarian" with better hygine than the hubby, lots and tons of eye shadow, and "lunges" into the attack, sweeping the girl next door off to forbidden fantasy land...before she goes crawling back to be Harriet to Mr. Fantastic's Ozzie. may sound like a "stretch," (pun totally unintended, really) but....
But again, this is all just ripping off the wise remarks made on CBQ where they take a good look at (with the two guys of Around Comics) some of the major male female relationships in comics history, and Sue Richards is at the TOP of the list. That same person also totally did a great analysis of CW in another episode.
http://comicbookqueers.podomatic.com/entry/2006-12-12T16_05_37-08_00
I think it's sweet Sue has so many men and fanboys that want to stand up for her and defend her honor, but that woman needs to stand up for herself, no more "the invisible doormat."
Basically, it's this -- when you are a guy who has free access to the ladies room because you are sexually neutral on the male-female thing, you really hear what the women say when they know their men are not listening...you would not believe what is said, boys...(totally top secret).
kwok_talk
03-09-2007, 02:24 PM
I've been thinking about this Sue-Namor thing, and I also remember comments on the Podcast about Sue beating down somebody, and how that was the best of the major last showdown battle of CW. I wonder if (reading between the lines) it's not so much a "Namor c*** thing," but people's desire for Sue to finally be her own woman, and stop being the doormat that Reed treats her as, which then causes her to run away (oh so briefly) to bad boy Namor--
Sorry, Wally, but for me, it's just the way he's standing in the panel.
Wally, the one I listened to was the Worst Ever one. I listened to it in the car and I nearly died during the Teen Titans drug spectacular thing. It was so funny.
"I'm 9, so I'm only on angel dust now. It won't be until next year that I start taking pot"
drwally
03-10-2007, 04:41 PM
Wally, the one I listened to was the Worst Ever one. I listened to it in the car and I nearly died during the Teen Titans drug spectacular thing. It was so funny.
"I'm 9, so I'm only on angel dust now. It won't be until next year that I start taking pot"
OH, those guys are so funny. I really rank them in the same class as iFanboys in terms of comic book wisdom, how to do a podcast, what tone to take, and just sheer funny bone. iFanboys I consider my "iFanboy brothers" I admire and respect. CBQ are my sisters, equally respected and equally admired.
Kwok: "Your words say no but your eyes say yes..." (but I kid, you know I kid).
I think the running from Reed who neglects her to sexy namor with the dangerous edge is in fact a storyline pretty much done to death -- who actually reads the regular FF book anymore? It has so passed into being "whatever" when they are basically just replaying the thing Kirby did in FF v.1 #4, yet again. And I thought the Ultimate version of Namor was just lame, actually. Just did basically the same FF v.1 #4 storyline again, but with bad Namor hair, and "oh, well I just lied, I'm really evil, that's why you ran away from your nerdy boyfriend and came off with sexy me..." Whatever. A total 180 on a minor character I can accept, but throwing out 70 years (yes, 70 years!) for that throw away story line was just (whatever). But Namor has been done so bad in the past 10 years I blame nobody for not being impressed. I hear (via CBQ) that Winter Soldier:Winter Kills has a better version of Namor as the only one that remembers Bucky from his WWll days, but I am still working my way through my pile... And arrogant, handsome guys that come on to woman like that...well, ask a woman... nothing very new there... When I hear a guy talk about that kind of thing I hear from women all the time it's like, "Oh, surprised?" But we just have our perspectives depending on where we sit.
"And your lips say no, but your eyes say yes..." (I kid, I -dare I say it- tease).
Anyway, all that can be said about Sue and Reed has been said on the aforementioned CBQ link -- just about a 1 hour podcast, it's in the first 10 minutes, from Kirby to CW, the Reed Sue split, and what will happen next. Check that out, then let me know what you think. I'd be interested to hear, and the two guys from Around Comics provide a contrasting perspective in a very friendly but good humored exchange of contrasting views.