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luthor
03-03-2007, 02:17 AM
From Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon/2007/DCNation.html):
"Green Arrow will end with #75, Winick said, adding that the very last page of the issue features Oliver Queen offering an engagement ring to Black Canary. With that issue, Winick said, he’ll be off the series and character."
iSteve
03-03-2007, 02:19 AM
Say it ain't so, Joe!
we actually talked about this last week in another thread whose name I can't remember. It's being relaunched as GA/Black Canary with a new creative team
humphrey-lee
03-03-2007, 02:59 AM
we actually talked about this last week in another thread whose name I can't remember. It's being relaunched as GA/Black Canary with a new creative team
Hopefully one that can make me care again. This was one of my favorite books four years ago, but I dropped it two years back.
luthor
03-03-2007, 03:24 AM
we actually talked about this last week in another thread whose name I can't remember. It's being relaunched as GA/Black Canary with a new creative team
They say in that article it's going to be a mini, and Winick won't be involved.
They say in that article it's going to be a mini, and Winick won't be involved.
that sucks
stupid article
watsonglenn
03-03-2007, 03:46 AM
From Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon/2007/DCNation.html):
"Green Arrow will end with #75, Winick said, adding that the very last page of the issue features Oliver Queen offering an engagement ring to Black Canary. With that issue, Winick said, he’ll be off the series and character."
Of course he is. Two heterosexuals, whats the fun in that?
I kid because I love. I've followed Winick since his Real World days. Did he ever marry that nice looking Asian doctor?
how is that relevant? you talk about how nobody wants to hear your real opinion, is it because your real opinion includes ridiculous non-sequitors like this one?
mastap
03-03-2007, 04:38 AM
Really just syked for another Andy Diggle and Jock comic
watsonglenn
03-03-2007, 04:42 AM
how is that relevant? you talk about how nobody wants to hear your real opinion, is it because your real opinion includes ridiculous non-sequitors like this one?
Whoa there cowboy. It was a joke. Winnick is know for his gay characters see, and he is quitting GL when GL marries a woman. See? Funny ha ha. Now if GL was marrying Speedy I bet Judd would stay on.
Geez!
paper
03-03-2007, 05:08 AM
It's obviously a very funny joke that went over our heads.
Wokka. Wokka. Wokka.
***
This thread made me think of those great Justice League Unlimited episodes where Green Arrow and Black Canary teamed up. There were at least two, one of them with Wildcat. I remember the animation being really strong on that one.
jaflanagan
03-03-2007, 05:19 AM
I'm sensing feuding. Settle down everyone. There's no point in baiting and bickering with each other. That's what Newsarama is for.
Yes, Judd married Pam by the way.
I wonder if they'll drop that whole mayor thing. You know, I feel bad for Scott McDaniel in this. He was finding his stride I thought.
jgg0610
03-03-2007, 05:19 AM
Have they announced who the team will be on the relaunch?
paper
03-03-2007, 05:33 AM
Have they announced who the team will be on the relaunch?
Doesn't look like. Who do we think'd be good on it?
It's a different dynamic with a married couple.
Or is this just a way of easing the characters out of the limelight? We've got Red Arrow now, right?
jaflanagan
03-03-2007, 05:42 AM
I can see putting Roy in the JLA, but they spent all that effort bringing Ollie back...it just seems like a waste to shelf him like that. I can't believe the sales on the book are so low. Sucks. It's funny, I don't even buy it, but I don't like that it's ending. The character has too much history.
mastap
03-03-2007, 06:06 AM
I can see putting Roy in the JLA, but they spent all that effort bringing Ollie back...it just seems like a waste to shelf him like that. I can't believe the sales on the book are so low. Sucks. It's funny, I don't even buy it, but I don't like that it's ending. The character has too much history.
Same feeling made me pick up Firestorm again, i was going to drop in when moore leaves, but when i heard it was getting cancelled, i felt bad and picked it up... actually it was just as good as always, they even kept all the plot threads
conorkilpatrick
03-03-2007, 10:27 AM
I Am Drunk (thanks, James Sime And Adam Beechen) Right Now But I Vow To Get To The Bottom Of This Mystery Tomorrow At Wonder Con! I Will Corner Dan Didio And/or Judd Winick And Find Out What's Up.
This, I Declare!
acomicbookgirl
03-03-2007, 11:25 AM
I Am Drunk (thanks, James Sime And Adam Beechen) Right Now But I Vow To Get To The Bottom Of This Mystery Tomorrow At Wonder Con! I Will Corner Dan Didio And/or Judd Winick And Find Out What's Up.
This, I Declare!
I hope you find out something.. Also, what book Judd Winick will do.. Have fun!
watsonglenn
03-03-2007, 01:09 PM
To me it interesting that both GA and BC have undergone a power-up of sorts. Both have spent a lot of time getting more skillfull as fighters. I wonder who is better now BC or GA.
iSteve
03-03-2007, 04:00 PM
WONDER CON '07: DC NATION PANEL
(http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon/2007/DCNation.html)
Green Arrow will end with #75, Winick said, adding that the very last page of the issue features Oliver Queen offering an engagement ring to Black Canary. With that issue, Winick said, he’ll be off the series and character.
Newsarama Note: In clarifying his comment, Winick later told Newsarama: " I'm done, and DC is as well, with the monthly book Green Arrow. I'm not done, and DC is not done with Green Arrow. And that's all I say."
that sounds more like what I was expecting
acomicbookgirl
03-03-2007, 07:35 PM
So what? Winick is done with DC and Green Arrow? :confused:
paper
03-03-2007, 08:00 PM
So what? Winick is done with DC and Green Arrow? :confused:
Based on the last quote it looks like Winick might still be doing the Green Arrow writing, but not under that title (because it won't exist anymore). So, he could be doing the Green Arrow/Black Canary book.
No he said (http://revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=71375&postcount=20)he wasn't done with Green Arrow nor was DC, but they are both done with the present monthly GA book
paper
03-03-2007, 08:07 PM
This is where an audio recording of the interview or possibly a time machine might be helpful.
The initial statement was too broad. The second one, the direct quote, is the one to pay attention to.
If he's not done with Green Arrow, and he's not doing the Year One mini, it only makes sense that he'd be doing the GA/BC book. Unless he's talking about coming back to the character after some kind of hiatus.
iSteve
03-03-2007, 08:10 PM
I've enjoyed the stories for GA and I would like to see Winick continue with GA/BC.
I've enjoyed the stories for GA and I would like to see Winick continue with GA/BC.
I've enjoyed GA and while the GA/BC relationship isn't why I have, I'd still buy a GA/BC book.
acomicbookgirl
03-03-2007, 08:15 PM
I've enjoyed the stories for GA and I would like to see Winick continue with GA/BC.
I hope so too. I'm getting disappointed with his Ousiders. I never thought I would say that out loud..
iSteve
03-03-2007, 08:19 PM
I hope so too. I'm getting disappointed with his Ousiders. I never thought I would say that out loud..
I agree. The Outsiders has lost something.
acomicbookgirl
03-03-2007, 08:31 PM
I agree. The Outsiders has lost something.
What is it 40 some odd issues now? Pre-Infinite Crisis, I was not disappointed, Post-Infinited Crisis/OYL, its inconsistent. At least to me.
iSteve
03-03-2007, 08:39 PM
What is it 40 some odd issues now? Pre-Infinite Crisis, I was not disappointed, Post-Infinited Crisis/OYL, its inconsistent. At least to me.
It's the OYL make-up of the team. The dynamics changed when Roy Harper (Arsenal/Red Arrow) left the team.
acomicbookgirl
03-03-2007, 08:45 PM
It's the OYL make-up of the team. The dynamics changed when Roy Harper (Arsenal/Red Arrow) left the team.
Why can't they bring him back? This is might sound disturbing but I want to see what will happen between Grace and Thunder. I want to see what Winick will do with that.
mikegraham6
03-03-2007, 08:47 PM
im happy that winick is leaving. i like his run early on, i only just recently dropped it. But i stuck on through some real shitty storylines mainly cause i enjoy the character. OYL has been particularly weak considering the story ideas. Making Ollie mayor was a very interesting concept, especially considering his far left opinions are what i like about him, but i wasn't used at all! i just think its time for someone else to take the reins.
im also weary of the whole GA/BC angle, i liked how womanizing ollie was and this takes away that part of him. ill be keeping a close eye on this book and depending on who they get to write it, i might pick GA up again, but other than that, ill probably wait to see what you guys think of it before i check it out.
iSteve
03-03-2007, 08:52 PM
=i liked how womanizing ollie was and this takes away that part of him.
Betcha his womanizing days are not through. Too much a part of Ollie's character. There's no happy ever after for him.
mikegraham6
03-03-2007, 08:54 PM
Betcha his womanizing days are through. Too much a part of Ollie's character. There's no happy ever after for him.
never satisfied eh?
iSteve
03-03-2007, 08:58 PM
never satisfied eh?
Ollie and BC fall in love again. Ollie gets bored, can't keep it in his pants and has an affair. Ollie and BC get divorced. Un-happily ever after. It's predictable.
mikegraham6
03-03-2007, 09:01 PM
Ollie and BC fall in love again. Ollie gets bored, can't keep it in his pants and has an affair. Ollie and BC get divorced. Un-happily ever after. It's predictable.
RETCON!!!!
cammyknoxville
03-03-2007, 09:38 PM
Awww, I'll miss Green Arrow. Suppose if the Connor Hawke mini-series does well enough, they'll give him his own title?
lindseyd
03-04-2007, 07:25 AM
I'm so down for the year-one minis, and hope they won't be terrible.
GA/BC would be amazing- I love their dynamic together and this could be really awesome; how many married couples are doing the superhero thing together right now? It's an interesting angle at least.
Mostly I'm glad they're finally tying the knot after that whole Archer's Quest cocktease where he collected all that stuff for her ring and then couldn't because it "just wouldn't have been right". Honestly I loved that arc in all it's emotional pornography, but that pissed me off.
I'm so down for the year-one minis, and hope they won't be terrible.
GA/BC would be amazing- I love their dynamic together and this could be really awesome; how many married couples are doing the superhero thing together right now? It's an interesting angle at least.
Mostly I'm glad they're finally tying the knot after that whole Archer's Quest cocktease where he collected all that stuff for her ring and then couldn't because it "just wouldn't have been right". Honestly I loved that arc in all it's emotional pornography, but that pissed me off.
I love the phrase emotional pornography. It's amusing and when I think back to that story it really fits.
iSteve
03-04-2007, 03:16 PM
I love the phrase emotional pornography. It's amusing and when I think back to that story it really fits.
Good morning, Fred.
Good morning, Fred.
well hello steve
jgg0610
03-04-2007, 04:11 PM
I love the phrase emotional pornography. It's amusing and when I think back to that story it really fits.
You can use that phrase to describe a lot of whats out there right now. Strangers in Paradise would certainly fit into that category as would the Walking Dead.
iSteve
03-04-2007, 04:13 PM
You can use that phrase to describe a lot of whats out there right now. Strangers in Paradise would certainly fit into that category as would the Walking Dead.
I don't know if I would go that far with TWD. It's just good story-telling.:)
jgg0610
03-04-2007, 04:23 PM
Before I read it, everyone kept telling me that TWD wasn't about zombies at all, it's much deeper than that. Not being much of a zombie person, I put off reading it for awhile. Finally picked it up not long ago and it's all about relationships. It's what Kirkman does. He just uses different trappings to tell very emotionally impactful stories. In the end, the trappings don't matter, it's the impact that the characters have emotionally that he's really trying to get across.
iSteve
03-04-2007, 04:28 PM
Before I read it, everyone kept telling me that TWD wasn't about zombies at all, it's much deeper than that. Not being much of a zombie person, I put off reading it for awhile. Finally picked it up not long ago and it's all about relationships. It's what Kirkman does. He just uses different trappings to tell very emotionally impactful stories. In the end, the trappings don't matter, it's the impact that the characters have emotionally that he's really trying to get across.
Agree with you 100%. It is an emotionally evocative book.
I was going to respond to all this TWD emotional pornography thing with something like:
The porn I enjoy usually doesn't involve dead people
Then I remembered this story (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=22746&in_page_id=2) and I thought this was much funnier
iSteve
03-04-2007, 04:41 PM
I was going to respond to all this TWD emotional pornography thing with something like:
The porn I enjoy usually doesn't involve dead people
Then I remembered this story (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=22746&in_page_id=2) and I thought this was much funnier
Ohhhhhh Fred! :eek:
dude didn't only **** his girlfriend's dog
but it was dead
roadkill
from 4 or 5 days before
and he did it in a field next to a day care center
and he ran away after a scuffle with animal control
crazy people
can you imagine the letters the day care center had to send home with the kids?
well, there was an 'incident' at the school today...... someone apparently ummm... well... damnit there's no nice way to say this. Your child(ren) watched a sicko bang a dead dog on the lawn today
our bad
jgg0610
03-04-2007, 09:39 PM
I was going to respond to all this TWD emotional pornography thing with something like:
The porn I enjoy usually doesn't involve dead people
Then I remembered this story (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=22746&in_page_id=2) and I thought this was much funnier
Talk about really going off topic.
My point about TWD and other comics, especially those written by Kirkman is that the emotional connections between the character is what he's really writing about, not somebody out there killing zombies. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just pointing out that there are a lot of common examples of this in comics today.
conorkilpatrick
03-05-2007, 02:40 PM
Just to back up my drunken bravado, we did talk to Judd and he did give us the same quote he gave at the panel, which is that Green Arrow is done but he and DC are not done with Green Arrow.
Judd is wily.
horatio616
03-05-2007, 08:14 PM
Of course he is. Two heterosexuals, whats the fun in that?
Oh snap!!!!!
benjaminsimpson
03-20-2007, 03:58 AM
The original Green Lantern book became Green Lantern/Green Arrow at #76, I'd hope DC would continue that by making Green Arrow into Green Arrow/Black Canary at #76 of that book.
conorkilpatrick
03-20-2007, 04:10 AM
The original Green Lantern book became Green Lantern/Green Arrow at #76, I'd hope DC would continue that by making Green Arrow into Green Arrow/Black Canary at #76 of that book.
Excellent point.
I'm going to change the name of the thread because Winick is clearly not done with the character,
acomicbookgirl
03-20-2007, 01:25 PM
Who's going to write the miniseries? :confused:
baxter
03-20-2007, 01:51 PM
Green Arrow and the Outsiders. I'm calling it.
Does anyone else think Winnick writes Ollie too angry? After he took over the book it seemed like it was all rage to me.
conorkilpatrick
03-20-2007, 02:22 PM
Does anyone else think Winnick writes Ollie too angry? After he took over the book it seemed like it was all rage to me.
His city was destroyed.