Who is your Avengers ‘Dream team’?

[k-dizzle]

Bendis killed my beloved Avengers team and has been rebuilding new Avengers teams . The only good to come from it (in my opinion) is the Avengers becoming Marvel’s flagship title again. Who would be on your Avengers team, and who is your all time favorite Avenger?

[paper]

Returning to comics, one of the first things I picked up was the first New Avengers trade. Previous to that, I had absolutely no exposure to the Avengers. I've yet to read a comic book with the real Thor in it. So, that's where I'm coming from.

I really like the idea that the lineup changes. Because they're really the showcase of the ever-morphing Marvel universe.

That said...

Cap
Beast
Luke Cage
Wasp
Spider-Man
Spider-Woman
Hawkeye

[k-dizzle]

I really like the idea that the lineup changes. Because they're really the showcase of the ever-morphing Marvel universe.



I have always liked the revolving door to the Avengers myself. New members can join, old member can always come back. I like your team becaue it contains my all time fave, Jan.

[creature]

Okay, here we go:

Black Panther (Team Leader)
Quasar (Cosmic Powerhouse)
Spider-Man (Lighthearted, comic, soul of team)
Ms. Marvel (Physical Powerhouse)
Mr. Fantastic (Tech Guru)
Wasp (heart of team, 2nd in command)
Darkhawk (hero in training, Spidey's comedic buddy)

[k-dizzle]

Okay, here we go:

Black Panther (Team Leader)
Quasar (Cosmic Powerhouse)
Spider-Man (Lighthearted, comic, soul of team)
Ms. Marvel (Physical Powerhouse)
Mr. Fantastic (Tech Guru)
Wasp (heart of team, 2nd in command)
Darkhawk (hero in training, Spidey's comedic buddy) Quasar? Didnt see that coming. I am opposed to Spider-man being an avenger unless Aunt May dies, this would give him more time to avenge and also occupy his time.

[will_lund]

This is difficult because every Line-up they've had has been perfect for the stories the writer wanted to tell. I'm a fan of the Busiek (classic) and Bendis (new) teams, but I'll give it a shot.

Cap (THE most capable leader in the Marvel U)
Spider-Man
Hawkeye
Thor
Ms. Marvel
Vision
Luke Cage (I wanted to say She-Hulk, but realized that it was just the old-school fanboy talking)
Songbird (There always has to be someone new to the team)

[jimski]

I'm coming at things from a different direction. Bendis didn't destroy my Avengers; he caused me to read a book about the Avengers. I had picked up Geoff Johns' run before that, but spent half of it going, "Jack of Hearts? Who the...? What the **** is a 'warbird'? 'Earth's Mightiest Heroes,' my ***!"

Just a caveat, there.

My ideal team would probably be:

She-Hulk
Beast, who is magically not a goddamn kitty-cat anymore, Grant
Captain America (it seems unnatural somehow otherwise)
Thor
Wasp
Cap'n Marvel, Nextwave edition
Jessica Jones (I just miss her, all right?)

Even after all this time, it still seems like Spider-Man being an Avenger is a privation of the character. I can't help it.

[watsonglenn]

I like

Captain America as the leader and moral center
Thor as the powerhouse
Vision for the pathos
Wanda as the Deus ex Machina and love interest
Iron Man as the money and the counter to Cap
Quicksilver as the jerk and speedster

I don't like Jan, she seems too B team to me
I don't like Hank. He whines to much.
I don't like hawkeye. He is just too much of a jerk.
I like the Hulk but he just does not fit in the Avengers to me. He is too violent.
Wonder Man I can do without.
Spider-man should never have joined but I did like the stories he and Wolverine were in so yeah I know that's illogical. I guess I just do not like him being treated like an idiot by Wolverine and every other Avenger. He is freaking Spider Man not Ambush Bug. Show him some respect.

[watsonglenn]

Luke Cage (I wanted to say She-Hulk, but realized that it was just the old-school fanboy talking)

Whats wrong with that?

[kwok_talk]

Captain America
Black Panther
Hawkeye
Spiderman
Luke Cage
Quasar

[k-dizzle]

Captain America
Black Panther
Hawkeye
Spiderman
Luke Cage
Quasar
I like Black Panther and Captian America together, and Spiderman is not now and will never be an Avenger.

[k-dizzle]

'Earth's Mightiest Heroes,' my ***!"



my new sig..

[kwok_talk]

I like Black Panther and Captian America together, and Spiderman is not now and will never be an Avenger.

Ok. I'll be sure to black out his images with marker in the New Avengers.

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Outside of the Ultimate universe, Spider-man isn't doing so well on his own. I like him in the Avengers. At least he's written well there.

[jimski]

Outside of the Ultimate universe, Spider-man isn't doing so well on his own. I like him in the Avengers. At least he's written well there.

I actually agree with this, but as a Spider-nerd it just feels wrong to have him on a team. It's essential to the story for Spidey to be a misunderstood loner who everyone else thinks is a creepy weirdo. I mean, he tried to join the FF in the first issue of his own book, but from then on it's always been something he wanted but could never seem to get. Spidey is destined to be in the gutter looking at the stars. To have him be in the Avengers as a legitimate hero is as crazy as, like, having him marry a supermodel or something. I mean, what next, have him go from not being able to make rent to living in a penthouse apartment? What? That happened? My favorite character is ruined? Oh. I see. Never mind.

[paper]

Okay. I was just on the wikipedia page for Avengers, the list of members over the years...

Can someone please explain "Dinah Soar"? Not just as an Avenger, but as a thing created--by a human being, presumably--in a world where people still feel relatively safe to have babies?

[k-dizzle]

I actually agree with this, but as a Spider-nerd it just feels wrong to have him on a team. It's essential to the story for Spidey to be a misunderstood loner who everyone else thinks is a creepy weirdo. I mean, he tried to join the FF in the first issue of his own book, but from then on it's always been something he wanted but could never seem to get. Spidey is destined to be in the gutter looking at the stars. To have him be in the Avengers as a legitimate hero is as crazy as, like, having him marry a supermodel or something. I mean, what next, have him go from not being able to make rent to living in a penthouse apartment? What? That happened? My favorite character is ruined? Oh. I see. Never mind. All the great things I loved about spiderman as a kid are now gone, so he might as well be a totally different character now. New spidey fans love him in the movies because he is true to his Stan Lee roots, but when they read the comic books they dont understand why he is so different and it turns them off to the comic book stories. Spiderman is now an Icon, more than a stable Marvel Character but that can be said about most of the iconic heroes. I think thats why I love Peter DAvids x factor so much.

[jimski]

Can someone please explain "Dinah Soar"? Not just as an Avenger, but as a thing created--by a human being, presumably--in a world where people still feel relatively safe to have babies?

Ha! Wasn't she a Great Lakes "Avenger"? That almost doesn't count, does it?

[watsonglenn]

Ha! Wasn't she a Great Lakes "Avenger"? That almost doesn't count, does it?

I agree, the Great Lakes Avengers do not count, can we all agree on that? I'm going to Wikipedia right now to edit her out of the Avengers.

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I agree, the Great Lakes Avengers do not count, can we all agree on that? I'm going to Wikipedia right now to edit her out of the Avengers.


It's in the Great Lakes Avengers section, cleary removed from the other teams. Don't worry.

[watsonglenn]

It's in the Great Lakes Avengers section, cleary removed from the other teams. Don't worry.

All right then Hrmph Hrrumph, sputter sputter.

[paper]

Seriously, now. Seriously.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/polcapn/Dinah_Soar_2.jpg

That's a pokemon with a balloon and it's on an Avengers team. That did not come from the Savage Land. That came from my 7th grade gameboy, or possibly the wall of a carnival ring-toss game. Either way, that is not rescuing me and my neighborhood from a Skrull.

[jimski]

I think the GLA showed up first in West Coast Avengers. It's been a looooooong time, but as I recall they've never been anything other than a joke. They're just a bunch of people in Michigan who started calling themselves "Avengers" and have been asked to stop it.

The recent minis and one-shots (Dan Slott, I think?) have been pretty entertaining.

[will_lund]

I have to disagree with some of you about Spider-Man on the Avengers. Spidey has always been defined by the public as a misunderstood loner, but his own history has shown that he works incredibly well as a team player. Cap said it so well during the formation of the 'New Avenger'; that he was always impressed by him.

I think of all the team-ups and other moments when Parker has really been able to shine in groups. Black Cat, Human Torch, Wolverine, all the times he's shown up to lend a hand to a team or another street-level character. His unique ability to rescue people, always be a moment away with a rope or net made of web, and detect harm not only to himself but to others would make him a welcome addition to any team I'd ever put together.

[iSteve]

I have to disagree with some of you about Spider-Man on the Avengers. Spidey has always been defined by the public as a misunderstood loner, but his own history has shown that he works incredibly well as a team player. Cap said it so well during the formation of the 'New Avenger'; that he was always impressed by him.

I think of all the team-ups and other moments when Parker has really been able to shine in groups. Black Cat, Human Torch, Wolverine, all the times he's shown up to lend a hand to a team or another street-level character. His unique ability to rescue people, always be a moment away with a rope or net made of web, and detect harm not only to himself but to others would make him a welcome addition to any team I'd ever put together.

Plus, who more than Spider-Man needs a team/community to belong to and with whom he is understood?

[watsonglenn]

Seriously, now. Seriously.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/polcapn/Dinah_Soar_2.jpg

That's a pokemon with a balloon and it's on an Avengers team.


She is not an Avenger shes not shes not shes not.

[will_lund]

Plus, who more than Spider-Man needs a team/community to belong to and with whom he is understood?

Good point.

[watsonglenn]

I have to disagree with some of you about Spider-Man on the Avengers. Spidey has always been defined by the public as a misunderstood loner, but his own history has shown that he works incredibly well as a team player. Cap said it so well during the formation of the 'New Avenger'; that he was always impressed by him.

Cap has liked Spider Man since he put the beat down on Fire Lord. What I don't get is why Peter worships Cap so much. Spider Man could take Cap's lunch money if he wanted to.

[paper]

At this point, for Spider-man to pull the loner card and consider himself an outsider, that's just kind of arrogant. And more than a little super-emo. He's not public enemy number one, and he has plenty of people to talk to.

Daredevil went to jail.

Cap was born in 1917.

The Hulk was banished to another planet.

Those are reasons for angst.

[iSteve]

Here's my dream roster:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Thor
Wasp
Hawkeye
Beast (I also vote for pre-blue fur)
Wolverine
She-Hulk
Namor
Dr. Strange
Spider-Man
Luke Cage

[will_lund]

Cap has liked Spider Man since he put the beat down on Fire Lord. What I don't get is why Peter worships Cap so much. Spider Man could take Cap's lunch money if he wanted to.

I think Spidey definately has Cap in the power dept. But Cap probably trumps him in the skill and strategy area. As far as fighting skill goes, I think the only one that ranks up there with Cap, is Black Panther.

Maybe that's just my opinion. But what the hey, I'm on a message board.

[will_lund]

Here's my dream roster:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Thor
Wasp
Hawkeye
Beast (I also vote for pre-blue fur)
Wolverine
She-Hulk
Namor
Dr. Strange
Spider-Man
Luke Cage

I like the Namor and Winter Soldier additions.

[paper]

Here's my dream roster:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Thor
Wasp
Hawkeye
Beast (I also vote for pre-blue fur)
Wolverine
She-Hulk
Namor
Dr. Strange
Spider-Man
Luke Cage

If I were a villain and I saw this announced on CNN...I'd probably start looking at grad schools.

[k-dizzle]

Here's my dream roster:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Thor
Wasp
Hawkeye
Beast (I also vote for pre-blue fur)
Wolverine
She-Hulk
Namor
Dr. Strange
Spider-Man
Luke Cage You sir are a genius. This is the best Avengers team. I dont like SPider-man on the team but Bendis does. I will call him tonight with the new list and he will re-write the new Avengers for the 5th time.

[paper]

Dude, there's 12 people on that list. That's not the Avengers, it's the Apostles.

Wait. I think I know a way we can get the kids to read The Bible...

[fred]

doesn't matter who you put on the Avengers, kids won't read the bible:rolleyes:

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doesn't matter who you put on the Avengers, kids won't read the bible:rolleyes:

Not even for Wolverine?

Kids love the Wolverine. He'd be great in the Book of Exodus.

"Ramses. Let my mutants go! Thou shall pay for subjecting my people to Weapon Exodus!"

SNIKT!!!

[iSteve]

Namor walking on the water...

[iSteve]

Thor, Noah, and the Flood...

[iSteve]

Beast and the Garden of Eden...

[paper]

Thor's already a god, so he's in.

Hawkeye has proven quite adept at rising from the dead.

the Mark of Beast.

Captain Mesopotamia.

The Gospel according to Luke Cage...


I would drop my Capri Sun, switch my sneakers over to roller shoe mode and grab that scripture like so much manga. Manga from the Heavens.

[fred]

Iron Man could be Judas.......

awwwwww
he'll always go there

[k-dizzle]

Iron Man could be Judas.......

awwwwww
he'll always go there That is offensive. If anyone is going to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind its going to be Spider-Man.

[fred]

That is offensive. If anyone is going to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind its going to be Spider-Man.

the one that died for everyone's sins(allegedly) was Jesus

Judas was the dude that sold him out for 30 pieces of silver

[iSteve]

That is offensive. If anyone is going to die on the cross for the sins of all mankind its going to be Spider-Man.

It looks like another superhero will do the dying for the sins of Marvel U. See internet rumor thread.

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Or in this case, directorship of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[iSteve]

Or in this case, directorship of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Amen, brother, amen.

[fred]

that so better be fake

[paper]

Amen, brother, amen.

Meanwhile, in the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier, 5 miles over Potter's Field...

"Steve...What have I done? The best thing to do probably involves a lot of me being drunk, and right now."

[fred]

why is my mask disappointed in me steve?

[iSteve]

Now that's what I call good comic-booking. Iron Man falls off the wagon. Yes, he actually "metabolizes" the alcohol.

[fred]

Now that's what I call good comic-booking. Cap dies. Iron Man falls off the wagon. Yes, he actually "metabolizes" the alcohol.

hope that mofo metabolizes rat poison

[paper]

"This America-themed shield would make a great serving tray. Ya know...for DRINKS!"

[iSteve]

And you thought Anna Nicole's funeral was over-the-top!

[paper]

I want to script out the whole thing now. Iron Man making ridiculous drunken decisions...that's a great comic book.

[k-dizzle]

I want to script out the whole thing now. Iron Man making ridiculous drunken decisions...that's a great comic book. sort of an Irredeamable Iron Man thing. I think you might have a good pitch here.

[paper]

I don't know a lot about the earlier runs. When he was drunk, did he just stop acting as Iron Man, or did he keep working as a superhero? Were there reprecussions?

It would be interesting to see what a morally superior, guilt-ridden, womanizing, drunk millionaire at the helm of a powerful organization run out of a giant helicopter would do if he really did go off the deep end.

[k-dizzle]

I don't know a lot about the earlier runs. When he was drunk, did he just stop acting as Iron Man, or did he keep working as a superhero? Were there reprecussions?

It would be interesting to see what a morally superior, guilt-ridden, womanizing, drunk millionaire at the helm of a powerful organization run out of a giant helicopter would do if he really did go off the deep end. We are seeing that right now with Iron Man #15. There is a daycare on the helicarrier fer chrisakes.

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We are seeing that right now with Iron Man #15. There is a daycare on the helicarrier fer chrisakes.

I hope it's only beginning.

I bought Iron Man #15 fully expecting to dislike it, but I really enjoyed it. While they still portray him in a heroic light, his crazy behavior is still quite present. I have high hopes for this book.

[fred]

he really needs to fall off the wagon. It's the only way to get me to like him again.

[fred]

sort of an Irredeamable Iron Man thing. I think you might have a good pitch here.

This needs to be written by Kirkman

[big-doze]

‘vengers

Captain America (Leader)

Falcon (Second in Command)

Hawkeye (Awesome, snarky comic relief)

Luke Cage (Certified Badass)

Thor (Awesome-Looking redesigned version, please)

Vision (Young Avengers version)

Songbird (Pleeeeeease!)


And just for fun, to correspond with my other post: The Black Avengers!

Falcon (Leader)

Luke Cage (Second in Command/Powerhouse)

Photon (Nextwave version)

Black Panther (Awesome all the time)

Cloak (New kid/mode of transportation)

Storm (Well, she’s gotta be with her hubby)

Prodigy (From New X-Men in an Oracle-like capacity)

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Cloak (New kid/mode of transportation)



Ha! Cloak needs like one additional power. Otherwise he's just a terrifying SUV.

[k-dizzle]

‘vengers

Captain America (Leader)

Falcon (Second in Command)

Hawkeye (Awesome, snarky comic relief)

Luke Cage (Certified Badass)

Thor (Awesome-Looking redesigned version, please)

Vision (Young Avengers version)



And just for fun, to correspond with my other post: The Black Avengers!

Falcon (Leader)

Luke Cage (Second in Command/Powerhouse)

Photon (Nextwave version)

Black Panther (Awesome all the time)

Cloak (New kid/mode of transportation)

Storm (Well, she’s gotta be with her hubby)

Prodigy (From New X-Men in an Oracle-like capacity)
Damn thats the best(only) Black Avengers team I've seen.

[will_lund]

The Black Avengers!

Falcon (Leader)

Luke Cage (Second in Command/Powerhouse)

Photon (Nextwave version)

Black Panther (Awesome all the time)

Cloak (New kid/mode of transportation)

Storm (Well, she’s gotta be with her hubby)

Prodigy (From New X-Men in an Oracle-like capacity)


But... you forgot Rage...

[kwok_talk]

But... you forgot Rage...

You could also have Lady Rage (the rapper)

[fred]

I rock rough and stuff with my afro puffs
rage, rock on wichah bad self

[kwok_talk]

I rock rough and stuff with my afro puffs
rage, rock on wichah bad self

YES! The Afro puffs must be included!

[kwok_talk]

I think this would be my worst Avengers team

-Gilgamesh
-Jocasta
-Tigra
-Starfox
-Wonder Man

[horatio616]

Whoever didn't say Wonder Man is a liar and a charlatain. The best Avengers team is:

Wonder Man

Other people

[davegraham]

The Avengers: Earth's Angriest Heroes

The Hulk (turned Vegas into the world's largest pile of rubble after he lost a hand of black jack)
Scarlet Witch (rips the universe apart once a month)
Ares (war does not make you Mr. Happy)
Wolverine (the woman he loves dies every other week)
Ant-Man/Giant-Man/Goliath/Yellow Jacket (I won't try to make a jokes about his rage)
Deathcry (I don't know her story, but she looks disturbed)
and who other than Namor could lead this crew into battle?

They are a superhero ragaholic support group. Regular meetings every Tuesday and Thursday nights, down at the YMCA, or get launched into outer space.

[luthor]

I like the idea of the Avengers being Marvel's JLA...so it needs to be big and needs big names:

Captain America
Spider-man
Hulk, Thor or Thing
Hawkeye
Dr. Strange
Beast
Wolverine
Whatever Carol Danvers is calling herself this week
Power-Man & Iron Fist

I've also realized while doing this, I don't like a lot of Marvel Female characters...

[jo-relrollins]

I had seen this topic and had to actually think about. I'm not a huge avengers fan but heres mine:

Hank Pym(Yellowjacket period, i like the a---ole,cunfused Hank)
Human Torch(He'll be hank's punching bag)
Wasp
Rogue(She goes from bashing the avengers to an avenger)
Daredevil
SpiderMan
Black Cat(Shes a fav of mine)
Scarlet Witch
HawkEye(also a fav of mine)

[will_lund]

I had seen this topic and had to actually think about. I'm not a huge avengers fan but heres mine:

Hank Pym(Yellowjacket period, i like the a---ole,cunfused Hank)
Human Torch(He'll be hank's punching bag)
Wasp
Rogue(She goes from bashing the avengers to an avenger)
Daredevil
SpiderMan
Black Cat(Shes a fav of mine)
Scarlet Witch
HawkEye(also a fav of mine)

The Rogue and Black Cat additions are two I never would have thought of. Both are strangely appropriate, too.

[jo-relrollins]

The Rogue and Black Cat additions are two I never would have thought of. Both are strangely appropriate, too.

If your an old avenger Rogue will make you uneasy and Black Cat and Spider Man on away missions (Mary Jane won't like that).