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comhcinc
03-05-2007, 07:29 PM
so a friend recorded g4's icon show on frank miller for me. i just got through watching it and well lets not get in to it okay?
my question is when did comicbooks become "graphic novels"? did this happen while i was in iraq? i been watching all the comicbook movies that have come out while i was gone and notice that they all use that term now.
now i have never liked the term, i think it cheapens art form by pretending to be something it isn't.
thoughts?
i also notice that their no more soap operas, now they are day time dramas
Probably started when Manga graphic novels started to sell so well at places like Barnes and Noble, though I can't be sure.
xyzzy
03-05-2007, 07:33 PM
Well, the term has been around for a long time. At least since the 90s. I remember a lot of jokes about it in MST3K. Way before manga became so popular.
I don't disagree that it is sometimes used in an attempt to legimize the form. And that comics shouldn't be ashamed of being comics.
On the other hand, I don't see how it's an innacurate term, particulary when applied in the context of original graphic novels, or OGNs.
Or might be our generations way of making comics "grow up" along with us. We feel it more acceptable to say we are reading or purchasing a "graphic novel" as opposed to comic books. :)
But it might also be the media industry's need to categorize everything. It all must fit into a category! And if you go to a store or even a library then you will have a "graphic novel" category.
But I see what you mean...in fact graphic novel is almost being used today more than "trade paperback". At least that is what I hear more of the time.
mikegraham6
03-05-2007, 07:35 PM
the term graphic novel is used for any comic that is published in book form. a collection of individual comic books is called a trade paperback
i think the term graphic novel is used mainly because the word comic book has a negative conotation in the mainstream. its seen as "kiddy" or "geeky"
comhcinc
03-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Well, the term has been around for a long time. At least since the 90s. Way before manga became so popular.
I don't disagree that it is sometimes used in an attempt to legimize the form. And that comics shouldn't be ashamed of being comics.
On the other hand, I don't see how it's an innacurate term, particulary when applied in the context of original graphic novels, or OGNs.
yeah but i haven't seen very many graphic novels. if it is published in comic form first how can be a graphic novel?
the only graphic novel i own is "a contract with god",but i do own alot of trade paper backs, which is a term that seems to have gone out of style.
paper
03-05-2007, 07:40 PM
i also notice that their no more soap operas, now they are day time dramas
They've always technically gone by that term.
"Soaps" is actually a slang term. When Irna Phillips pitched the idea for Guiding Light, the longest running daytime drama in America, he used a cardstock mock-up of "Springfield" and miniature character figures carved from soap. Word got out about the "soap opera" and the name stuck.
As for graphic novels, I generally go by the rule of thumb that a long-format comic book with a complete three act structure, originally released in a single volume, is a graphic novel. Comics originally published in single issues and later collected into a floppy book are trade paperbacks. If they're collected into a hardcover book, that's an HC collection.
xyzzy
03-05-2007, 07:40 PM
yeah but i haven't seen very many graphic novels. if it is published in comic form first how can be a graphic novel?
the only graphic novel i own is "a contract with god",but i do own alot of trade paper backs, which is a term that seems to have gone out of style.
Well, it's very popular in the community of comic readers. It's not used in the mainstream very much, at least partially because trade paperback means something different when you're talking about books, in general. A trade paperback are those large format paperbacks, as opposed to mass market paperbacks, which are the smaller sized ones that most people think of when they say paperback.
And while it's handy for us to make the distinction between contemporary books that are collections and those that are original material, the further away we get from the original serialized publication, the less it matters how they were originally published. I mean, much of Charles Dickens' work was published serially. Does that mean that we shoudln't call them novels today, and instead call them collections or something?
You say potato...I say potahto...
Graphic novel....Trade paperback.
It is just one of those things that at some point the term used to describe them isn't necessarily being used to describe them as much as it is what they are called.
Like with floppy discs back in the day. There used to be all different kinds of floppy discs....but everyone started calling them all floppy.
Ok...so that might not be the best example..but you get my point.
Mike is right. A trade paperback is a collection of comics. A graphic novel is a work that is initially published in a one-off novel style format
xyzzy
03-05-2007, 07:46 PM
Mike is right. A trade paperback is a collection of comics. A graphic novel is a work that is initially published in a one-off novel style format
That's accurate for terminology within the comics community, but as I stated earlier, more generally, trade paperback actually just refers to the size of the book.
comhcinc
03-05-2007, 07:49 PM
i don't know i still feel the term is disingenuous.
example: during the frank miller icon show(which seemed nothing more than a pug for 300) everyone (expect miller) referred to 300 hundred as a graphic novel. now i own the issues of 300 so i know it did not start out in that form. the show seemed to hint that it did. same with sin city and dark knight.
trust me you don't want comicbooks to become graphic novels.
lol you want to read a graphic novel? read american pycho, now there is a novel that is graphic
Xyzzy:
that's also true. I missed your comment
paper
03-05-2007, 07:52 PM
It honestly doesn't keep me up at night.
And technically, 300 isn't a comic or a graphic novel. It's just 300, and should generally be carried in the Ark of the Covenant when not being read.
xyzzy
03-05-2007, 08:02 PM
i don't know i still feel the term is disingenuous.
example: during the frank miller icon show(which seemed nothing more than a pug for 300) everyone (expect miller) referred to 300 hundred as a graphic novel. now i own the issues of 300 so i know it did not start out in that form. the show seemed to hint that it did. same with sin city and dark knight.
I don't think it's disingenuous in the sense that I don't think that they're trying to deceive anybody. What's to be gained?
trust me you don't want comicbooks to become graphic novels.
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I'd be pretty happy if OGNs were the default format.
comhcinc
03-05-2007, 08:07 PM
I don't think it's disingenuous in the sense that I don't think that they're trying to deceive anybody. What's to be gained?"respect" same thing happen to punk rock. it was cleaned up and made in to new wave. and we all know what happened with that.
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I'd be pretty happy if OGNs were the default format.
well that would keep me from buying alot of comics, bunch of other people too i bet.
xyzzy
03-05-2007, 08:10 PM
well that would keep me from buying alot of comics, bunch of other people too i bet.
Probably. Like I said, I can only speak for myself. I don't like the monthly format. That's why I don't buy it, for the most part.
paper
03-05-2007, 08:16 PM
"respect" same thing happen to punk rock. it was cleaned up and made in to new wave. and we all know what happened with that.
So comic books are The Sex Pistols and Graphic Novels are Kajagoogoo?
And American Psycho is a graphic novel too?
Back in a minute. My dog has to take me for a walk.
jaflanagan
03-05-2007, 08:22 PM
We couldn't come to an agreement. (http://revision3.com/ifanboy/canada)
humphrey-lee
03-05-2007, 08:25 PM
yeah but i haven't seen very many graphic novels. if it is published in comic form first how can be a graphic novel?
the only graphic novel i own is "a contract with god",but i do own alot of trade paper backs, which is a term that seems to have gone out of style.
Well, I think (and this is something I do personally myself too) that the term "Graphic Novel" is now also synonymous with stuff that, yeah, might have been printed earlier in monthly comic book form, but reads all at once in one bound volume, if you get what I mean. A collection of Watchmen has become a Graphic Novel, as is V for Vendetta, From Hell, etc, but Promethea is a series of Trade Paperbacks, as is the Sandman, Preacher, et al.
At least that's how I do it.
comhcinc
03-05-2007, 08:26 PM
So comic books are The Sex Pistols and Graphic Novels are Kajagoogoo?
And American Psycho is a graphic novel too?
Back in a minute. My dog has to take me for a walk.
well the sex pistols were a boy band. i was thinking more of the talking heads and the ramones
and yes american psycho is one of the most graphic novels i have ever read.
conorkilpatrick
03-05-2007, 08:26 PM
trust me you don't want comicbooks to become graphic novels.
The more time goes on, the more I do want that.
alexg
03-05-2007, 08:59 PM
The more time goes on, the more I do want that.
Abandon the issue format all together? I must admit I'd kind of like that idea. I always thought Cross Gen's idea of the anthology volume was cool, but it doesn't seem to have worked for them. This seems to be the way the Japanese get their comic fix. I guess the hard part here would be what do you put together in the monthly volume? All the x-Books together in one volume once a month? I doubt this will happen though.
conorkilpatrick
03-05-2007, 09:04 PM
Abandon the issue format all together? I must admit I'd kind of like that idea.
Yep. I am much happier these days when reading trades and OGNs. I like getting more story at once.
Yep. I am much happier these days when reading trades and OGNs. I like getting more story at once.
I've been wrestling with this for a while now. I'd rather not have these horrid cliffhangers that leave me wondering all month what will happen, but at the same time it's fun. How much worse would it be though if it was six months? Also, I'm tired of issues cluttering my house. I don't really care about floppies anymore. But I hate waiting. This makes no sense. I take both sides.
Really? You don't enjoy the week to week excitement of "52"?
I think it's so book dependant, 100 bullets is nearly impossible to read in issue form. Whereas Geoff Johns used to write some amazin cliff hangers in "the flash" leaving you desperate for the next issue.
ANd satified when they finally did come out.
iSteve
03-05-2007, 09:19 PM
Wikipedia has an interesting article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_novel) on this issue:
Graphic Novel
A graphic novel (GN) is a form of comics, usually with lengthy and complex storylines, and often aimed at mature audiences. In contrast to the familiar comic magazines, a graphic novel is typically bound using materials of more durable qualities, using a light card stock for softcover bindings or a heavier card for the hardback editions, enclosed in a dust jacket. Graphic novels generally are sold in bookstores and comic book shops, rather than on comic books' original point of sale, newsstands. The term can also encompass a short story collection, or collected issues of previously published comic books republished in a single large volume.
Definition
Comic works created and published as a single narrative, without prior appearance in magazines, comic books or newspapers, are called original graphic novels (OGN)...
conorkilpatrick
03-05-2007, 09:43 PM
Really? You don't enjoy the week to week excitement of "52"?
I think it's so book dependant, 100 bullets is nearly impossible to read in issue form. Whereas Geoff Johns used to write some amazin cliff hangers in "the flash" leaving you desperate for the next issue.
ANd satified when they finally did come out.
Of course I enjoy 52 and single issues, I just tend to enjoy the trades more, on the whole.
And I'd much rather have a huge bookcase full of trades than the mass of long boxes I have now.
alexg
03-05-2007, 09:51 PM
If publishers moved to an all trade/no singles format I think the style of the storytelling would change a bit, just as it did when trades started getting popular. When I was a kid, I never thought that a series "read better in trades" because the stories weren't thought of that way. Would people be willing to sacrifice paper quailty to move toward something like the massive japanese phonebooks of comics? (Granted those are b/w)
darron
03-06-2007, 12:03 AM
Of course I enjoy 52 and single issues, I just tend to enjoy the trades more, on the whole.
And I'd much rather have a huge bookcase full of trades than the mass of long boxes I have now.
Amen to that, brother!
It's funny you started this thread, I was watching the show last night, and thought, "This is a show about Frank Miller, and I haven't heard the word 'comic' but once!" I knew it'd be brought up here.
humphrey-lee
03-06-2007, 02:47 AM
Of course I enjoy 52 and single issues, I just tend to enjoy the trades more, on the whole.
And I'd much rather have a huge bookcase full of trades than the mass of long boxes I have now.
Honestly, I do love my monthly fix, but I honestly probably wouldn't care if monthlies went the way of more prompt trades. I already cash in issues for them when a series I really enjoy hits its end, (hell, I've got 250 comics I'm putting on Ebay now to take the money for trades) and it would make me even pickier when it comes to purchasing since you're buying them at a larger investment at a time. No more chaff books, no more keeping myself attached to books that are C-grade quality or less because I've been buying it for 14 years and so on (though I pretty much don't do that anyways).
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 02:54 AM
Honestly, I do love my monthly fix, but I honestly probably wouldn't care if monthlies went the way of more prompt trades. I already cash in issues for them when a series I really enjoy hits its end, (hell, I've got 250 comics I'm putting on Ebay now to take the money for trades) and it would make me even pickier when it comes to purchasing since you're buying them at a larger investment at a time. No more chaff books, no more keeping myself attached to books that are C-grade quality or less because I've been buying it for 14 years and so on (though I pretty much don't do that anyways).
i would do this is if i could bring myself to buy a trade of books i already owned. I have a hard time doing this. Hell i just recently bought the absolute watchmen only because my watchmen trade was being held together by strings and tape. i already shelled out all the cash on the individual books, its hard to pay more money on something i already have.
i also dont like how long it take for DC to put out its trades, marvel gets them out pretty damn wuickly so why does it take DV forever? (excluding vertigo of course)
xyzzy
03-06-2007, 03:11 AM
i would do this is if i could bring myself to buy a trade of books i already owned. I have a hard time doing this. Hell i just recently bought the absolute watchmen only because my watchmen trade was being held together by strings and tape. i already shelled out all the cash on the individual books, its hard to pay more money on something i already have.
i also dont like how long it take for DC to put out its trades, marvel gets them out pretty damn wuickly so why does it take DV forever? (excluding vertigo of course)
DC has explicitly stated that they want people to go to the comic book shops on a weekly basis. That was part of the motivation behind 52 (and Countdown, I guess). I don't think they realize that a lot of people (like me) just stop reading entirely instead of reading a format that we don't like.
comhcinc
03-06-2007, 03:16 AM
It's funny you started this thread, I was watching the show last night, and thought, "This is a show about Frank Miller, and I haven't heard the word 'comic' but once!" I knew it'd be brought up here.
yeah that what i found odd, but i notice it on some other stuff as well the V for Vendetta thing as well never said comic always graphic novel.
it just seems comic is becoming a four letter word.
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 03:17 AM
DC has explicitly stated that they want people to go to the comic book shops on a weekly basis. That was part of the motivation behind 52 (and Countdown, I guess). I don't think they realize that a lot of people (like me) just stop reading entirely instead of reading a format that we don't like.
so, xyzzy, you've given up buying monthlies altogether? i wonder how many people do that now.
i wish i could just buy trades, but i like my weekly fix too much, but i can see how some of the story arcs would read so much better in trade form
comhcinc
03-06-2007, 03:18 AM
so, xyzzy, you've given up buying monthlies altogether? i wonder how many people do that now.
i wish i could just buy trades, but i like my weekly fix too much, but i can see how some of the story arcs would read so much better in trade form
also i am sure teens and preteens still make up most of the buyers and you don't want to mess with your target audience
humphrey-lee
03-06-2007, 03:22 AM
DC has explicitly stated that they want people to go to the comic book shops on a weekly basis. That was part of the motivation behind 52 (and Countdown, I guess). I don't think they realize that a lot of people (like me) just stop reading entirely instead of reading a format that we don't like.
And yet if they realized that if they just put out good books I wanted to read AND timely trades, I'd still be there every week to pick up one or two of them probably.
I really don't think I want the monthly format to go, I really don't, but I think it's more because I probably would give up entirely on books like, say, JSA and JLA or Irredeemable Ant-Man, that are good but not great, but feature characters I really enjoy and do like to keep track of for the most part.
But the monthly format isn't going anywhere, so it's not a big deal. Really, I think what it is overall is having to pay $3 a pop for a monthly but then seeing that a trade collecting six of them is only $13. I'm more than willing to buy both formats for a book that I think is just that good (and there are a many of them) but when I do go over to the trade I feel ripped off. Just like I'm doing now while selling part of my collection. I'm selling my Y: The Last Man's 1-54 in preparation for the series finale, books that cost me roughly $150, and lo and behold, I can go on Amazon and get all those issues back in trade for about, uh, $90. Like, what the hell?
it just seems comic is becoming a four letter word.
no, comi is a four-letter word
jaflanagan
03-06-2007, 03:40 AM
also i am sure teens and preteens still make up most of the buyers and you don't want to mess with your target audience
Wait, are you saying that teens and pre-teens make up the core audience?
Cuz, that's not even close to the case.
humphrey-lee
03-06-2007, 03:44 AM
Wait, are you saying that teens and pre-teens make up the core audience?
Cuz, that's not even close to the case.
Yeah. I think it's what? 68% of comic readers now are between the ages of 21 and 40? It's something way lopsided like that.
comhcinc
03-06-2007, 03:45 AM
Wait, are you saying that teens and pre-teens make up the core audience?
Cuz, that's not even close to the case.
i haven't seen any numbers latter so i could be wrong. if anyone can get some numbers that would be cool.
but the last three times i have been in a comic shop other that the people behind the counter i was the only one who could legally buy smokes.
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 03:51 AM
i haven't seen any numbers latter so i could be wrong. if anyone can get some numbers that would be cool.
but the last three times i have been in a comic shop other that the people behind the counter i was the only one who could legally buy smokes.
i dont know what kind of comic store you go to but i know that at mine the only kids i see there are there to play yu gi oh and heroclix, the guys who buy comics are all older than me (late 30s early 40s... im 24)
jaflanagan
03-06-2007, 03:51 AM
Well, in the last 10 years that I've been buying comics, and going to many conventions and hanging out on here, kids are a minority. Most of these people are dudes like us. Often married in their 20's, 30's and above. My comic shop on a wednesday is all adult dudes. The only time I've ever seen kids in comic shops was to play Pokemon.
Anyone else?
humphrey-lee
03-06-2007, 03:54 AM
Well, in the last 10 years that I've been buying comics, and going to many conventions and hanging out on here, kids are a minority. Most of these people are dudes like us. Often married in their 20's, 30's and above. My comic shop on a wednesday is all adult dudes. The only time I've ever seen kids in comic shops was to play Pokemon.
Anyone else?
I'd say something like, four or five out of the last 50 or so persons I've seen purchase comicy books have been under the drinking age or towing that line.
comhcinc
03-06-2007, 03:55 AM
i'd still like to see some numbers.
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 03:56 AM
Well, in the last 10 years that I've been buying comics, and going to many conventions and hanging out on here, kids are a minority. Most of these people are dudes like us. Often married in their 20's, 30's and above. My comic shop on a wednesday is all adult dudes. The only time I've ever seen kids in comic shops was to play Pokemon.
Anyone else?
i answered that above, but i did get my 13 yr old nephew to start reading comics, i just dont know if he ever goes into a comic store and buys them, but he does ask me for specific trades for birthdays/christmas....
k-dizzle
03-06-2007, 03:58 AM
Well, in the last 10 years that I've been buying comics, and going to many conventions and hanging out on here, kids are a minority. Most of these people are dudes like us. Often married in their 20's, 30's and above. My comic shop on a wednesday is all adult dudes. The only time I've ever seen kids in comic shops was to play Pokemon.
Anyone else? there is a 16 (?) year old kid that comes into my LCS once a week with his dad who is a cop. His dad will usually hang around the shop and bs with everyone for about a half hour. The kid is dressed kinda like a skater kid and a little emo (the acadamy is....... tshirt, is that emo?) and he sits in the corner waiting for his dad to finish talking about civil war witha look on his face like 'my dads a cop and he reads comic books, please kill me'.
jerome
03-06-2007, 04:01 AM
i'd still like to see some numbers.
What kind of numbers are you looking for? It's not like comic shops or bookstores ask you for your age and keep track of that kind of thing. Those are imaginary statistics.
That would be awesome if teens and and preteens made up a majority of the customers again, but its just not true.
there is a 16 (?) year old kid that comes into my LCS once a week with his dad who is a cop. His dad will usually hang around the shop and bs with everyone for about a half hour. The kid is dressed kinda like a skater kid and a little emo (the acadamy is....... tshirt, is that emo?) and he sits in the corner waiting for his dad to finish talking about civil war witha look on his face like 'my dads a cop and he reads comic books, please kill me'.
you just think he wants to be killed because he looks emo
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 04:02 AM
you just think he wants to be killed because he looks emo
i bet you he reads the sandman too.... young punk!:D
i bet you he reads the sandman too.... young punk!:D
You say punk, I use a different word that also starts with pu but has one more letter
just kidding emo kids - don't cry on me now
jerome
03-06-2007, 04:05 AM
strange girl sucks
strange girl sucks
whatever dick
I've never even seen battlestar galactica
:p
jerome
03-06-2007, 04:09 AM
Humberto Ramos > you
:rolleyes:
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 04:09 AM
You say punk, I use a different word that also starts with pu but has one more letter
just kidding emo kids - don't cry on me now
they'll wipe their runny mascara all over you
Humberto Ramos > you
:rolleyes:
My hatred for Humberto Ramos makes me just like Jesus
xyzzy
03-06-2007, 04:12 AM
i'd still like to see some numbers.
There was a thread about it just a little while ago.
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4345
they'll wipe their runny mascara all over you
it would follow that this would be the reaction of a category of people I'd refer to as stains
xyzzy
03-06-2007, 04:17 AM
so, xyzzy, you've given up buying monthlies altogether? i wonder how many people do that now.
i wish i could just buy trades, but i like my weekly fix too much, but i can see how some of the story arcs would read so much better in trade form
No, I still buy the occasional event book because I want to be part of the discussion. And there are 3 or 4 other books I pull monthly (Y:tLM, Runaways, Ultimates for one more issue, anyway. I may pick up Buffy monthly, too, depending on how good the first issue is). But the vast majority of my buying is trades and OGNs.
humphrey-lee
03-06-2007, 04:18 AM
What kind of numbers are you looking for? It's not like comic shops or bookstores ask you for your age and keep track of that kind of thing. Those are imaginary statistics.
That would be awesome if teens and and preteens made up a majority of the customers again, but its just not true.
I wouldn't. I like the maturity level they're written for now, at least as far as mainstream goes because I know I could always go out and buy a Vertigo book or whatever for "adult themes". But if the majority of customers were preteens then the market would be flooded with books like Marvel Age instead of having the level of writing that a Daredevil does. Which is fine, I like the Marvel Adventures stuff and they're pretty cool, but I don't want the market to be flooded with those. They'd be buying the books for just the suit, not really any sort of any story besides "Spidey punch bad guy!".... then again, I guess that wouldn't make things that much different. OH SNAP!!!
But no, seriously, I like it where it's at, I just wish the fans would diversify their damned reading habits.
jerome
03-06-2007, 04:20 AM
whatever dick
I've never even seen battlestar galactica
:p
You should definitey amend this. (seeing battlestar galactica, not the dick part)
and xxyz, i've read Buffy #1 already, its excellent.
You should definitey amend this. (seeing battlestar galactica, not the dick part)
and xxyz, i've read Buffy #1 already, its excellent.
I've considered it. I'm put off by sci-fi. Don't even really know why. I could guess, but why alienate the 2 people I haven't yet here tonight? It took A LOT of convincing to get me to watch Firefly and ultimately I loved it.
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 04:25 AM
I've considered it. I'm put off by sci-fi. Don't even really know why. I could guess, but why alienate the 2 people I haven't yet here tonight? It took A LOT of convincing to get me to watch Firefly and ultimately I loved it.
is firefly better than serenity? cause that movie blew.... <yawn>
i've been meaning to check out the show though
is firefly better than serenity? cause that movie blew.... <yawn>
i've been meaning to check out the show though
yeah, the series was better. I think there's some much stronger opinion about how much around here than I have though.
For me the pitch began: ok, it's space and it's cowboys and I know you hate both of those, but it's really awesome
that crazy bastard was right
xyzzy
03-06-2007, 04:27 AM
is firefly better than serenity? cause that movie blew.... <yawn>
i've been meaning to check out the show though
If you hated the movie, I doubt you'll like the series, though I thought it was great. I think the movie definitely worked better if you were familiar with the source material, but it was good enough to stand on it's own.
mikegraham6
03-06-2007, 04:31 AM
If you hated the movie, I doubt you'll like the series, though I thought it was great. I think the movie definitely worked better if you were familiar with the source material, but it was good enough to stand on it's own.
i liked the first few seasons of buffy, it kinda lost my attention after they graduated high school, never saw angel, but there were things i did like about serenity. mainly the classic whedon dialogue and that's the reason i'll eventually check out firefly (plus the fact they every raves about the damn thing)
jaflanagan
03-06-2007, 04:31 AM
Had I seen the movie first, I would have been like, "what is this shit!?"
I didn't expect to like Firefly, but after about half the episodes, I couldn't help wanting more.
jerome
03-06-2007, 04:32 AM
I've considered it. I'm put off by sci-fi. Don't even really know why. I could guess, but why alienate the 2 people I haven't yet here tonight? It took A LOT of convincing to get me to watch Firefly and ultimately I loved it.
I'm not a big sci-fi guy either but i think this is the show for people who don't like sci-fi much in the way that firefly was. Firefly was really just a western dressed up in different clothes and BSG is very much a military/political drama dressed up as sci-fi. Of course i'm oversimplifiying things but you get my point.
And the series was way better than the movie. You didn't really get a sense of the Cowboys and Western part of the show, and that was the best part.
xyzzy
03-06-2007, 04:32 AM
i liked the first few seasons of buffy, it kinda lost my attention after they graduated high school, never saw angel, but there were things i did like about serenity. mainly the classic whedon dialogue and that's the reason i'll eventually check out firefly (plus the fact they every raves about the damn thing)
Well, if you're open to the premise and you like Whedon's writing then you'll probably enjoy it.
Had I seen the movie first, I would have been like, "what is this shit!?"
I didn't expect to like Firefly, but after about half the episodes, I couldn't help wanting more.
I totally came from the same place on it. I watched it after it was over. By the third episode or so I wasn't making fun of it anymore; I was watching it.
k-dizzle
03-06-2007, 04:34 AM
galactica, star wars, tthese things blow goats. do yall watch it cuz JMS writes it?
galactica, star wars, tthese things blow goats. do yall watch it cuz JMS writes it?
I have pictures
k-dizzle
03-06-2007, 04:38 AM
I have pictures of science fiction films preforming felatio on farm animals? do tell.
of science fiction films preforming felatio on farm animals? do tell.
follow this link (http://www.IHAVENOGOATBLOWINGPICTURES.SORRY)
k-dizzle
03-06-2007, 04:41 AM
follow this link (http://www.IHAVENOGOATBLOWINGPICTURES.SORRY) sweet!!!!!! thanks for the proof. please delete all the information from the site before anyone else can see it.
sweet!!!!!! thanks for the proof. please delete all the information from the site before anyone else can see it.
done
I even unregistered the domain name and erased the .sorry extension from the minds of everyone at ICANN
worried I'm talking too openly about this?
nobody is following it
k-dizzle
03-06-2007, 04:51 AM
done
I even unregistered the domain name and erased the .sorry extension from the minds of everyone at ICANN
worried I'm talking too openly about this?
nobody is following it yes we are pathetic. are you going to read Marvel Zombies/AOD book this week?
I don't think so. I may read it, but it won't be on Wednesday. My stack is already wicked tall for Wed and honestly I think my AOD knowledge has been pushed out of my brain by ****ing Spider-Man continuity
acomicbookgirl
03-06-2007, 05:02 AM
Well, in the last 10 years that I've been buying comics, and going to many conventions and hanging out on here, kids are a minority. Most of these people are dudes like us. Often married in their 20's, 30's and above. My comic shop on a wednesday is all adult dudes. The only time I've ever seen kids in comic shops was to play Pokemon.
Anyone else?
I usually have the older guys... Rarely, i'll see someone even in their 20's..
yes we are pathetic. are you going to read Marvel Zombies/AOD book this week?
Marvel Zombies/AOD preview (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=103918)