View Full Version : Who Should Follow Steve Rogers as Cap?
iSteve
03-09-2007, 02:25 PM
Who would you pick as the new Captain America?
k33k3r
03-09-2007, 02:41 PM
Castle because I would like to see how the hell they would handle that one and how Brubaker would do with the character and how would Castle act as Cap.
kwok_talk
03-09-2007, 02:45 PM
I think Bucky makes the most logical sense (followed by Falcon) in closely embodying the ideals and core of Steve Rogers, but I would be rooting for Punisher being Cap just b/c of how weird and explosive that could be. It’s like those rare occasions in baseball where the team is like “screw it” and lets the outfielder become a relief pitcher for comic relief.
luthor
03-09-2007, 03:09 PM
I'd really like to see someone else take the mantle. Sharon Carter is the first person that came to my mind, but I think a totally original person would work just as well...
iSteve
03-09-2007, 04:19 PM
If only I'd listened to the Colbert Report before posting the poll, I could have added Att. Gen. Alberto Gonzales as an option. That's the WØRD.
mikegraham6
03-09-2007, 05:16 PM
the best scenario i've heard is having frank take up the mantle and go on one of his murderous rampages, punisher style and forcing bucky to take him out and thus taking up the shield himself, that would be a good story...
jimski
03-09-2007, 05:25 PM
I think it should be Cable, based solely on the fact that fifteen years in I still have no idea what the @%#$ he does. Plus, chin.
conorkilpatrick
03-09-2007, 05:30 PM
I predict the new Cap will be some dude with suspiciously dyed jet black hair named Roger Stevenson.
I predict the new Cap will be some dude with suspiciously dyed jet black hair named Roger Stevenson.
Now that's comedy.
iSteve
03-09-2007, 05:39 PM
How about this for a mind-bender - Ronin is the new Captain America.
Bucky all the way
I love Frank, but he's not Cap. I love Falcon but he's not as right for it as Bucky is. I love Fury, but Fury? come on.
Bucky could totally do it and with the shit he's been through over the last few decades there are a lot of stories that they could tell with him.
Bucky, dude. Bucky!
If nothing else, Brubaker totally knows how to write him. I have no doubt it'd be awesome, though I would love to see the Punisher try to don the Captain America mantle and then fail horribly. That'd be awesome.
Or multiple Captain Americas. That'd be cool, too.
(oh my god, in less than 50 words, I used the word awesome twice.)
mikegraham6
03-09-2007, 09:07 PM
i think that its bucky who will replace him just because it would make sense in terms of brubaker's run. he introduced and developed him as a character so it would only make sense in the big picture of brubaker's cap story to have bucky take up the mantle
jimski
03-09-2007, 09:48 PM
I love Frank, but he's not Cap.
I just... the logistics of it in the real world just don't add up for me. Captain America and the Punisher each headline their own titles, one of them new; in which book would these stories take place? What would be going on in the other book? Would Ed Brubaker really write Captain Punisher? Would Matt Fraction, the guy who wrote that Stilt-Man funeral issue, be handed the red, white, and blue?
I'm not saying it's impossible; I'm just saying that, if it does happen, watch out for flying shrapnel that used to be my mind.
I just... the logistics of it in the real world just don't add up for me. Captain America and the Punisher each headline their own titles, one of them new; in which book would these stories take place? What would be going on in the other book? Would Ed Brubaker really write Captain Punisher? Would Matt Fraction, the guy who wrote that Stilt-Man funeral issue, be handed the red, white, and blue?
I'm not saying it's impossible; I'm just saying that, if it does happen, watch out for flying shrapnel that used to be my mind.
It would actually give Frank Castle three monthly titles
conorkilpatrick
03-09-2007, 09:53 PM
Keep in mind that Brubaker and Fraction write together on Iron Fist, so there's a working relationship there...
kwok_talk
03-09-2007, 09:56 PM
For me, the thing about Bucky is that once it was confirmed that Cap was dead, he became the #1 candidate for Ronin in my mind. The logics of Punisher being Cap are somewhat tricky, but for some reason, I keep envisioning some scene in the future where Frank gets to hand the uniform back to Steve, with Steven telling him thanks for keeping the dream alive. But then again, I can dream up some really crazy stuff, so who knows?
watsonglenn
03-09-2007, 11:53 PM
The Falcon has put in his time. He has not been killing people for 40 years. He does not have a bionic arm. He knows the moves.
The only problem is why would he give up the ability to fly and a flying Cap just does not work.
Still I vote for Snap.
xyzzy
03-10-2007, 12:16 AM
Tony Stark, billionaire industrialist and war profiteer. That's what America is all about.
comhcinc
03-10-2007, 02:11 AM
i am going to go against the grain here. bucky is dead. i don't know who this guy is who has you all fooled but bucky was killed by GOD aka Stan Lee. so there is no coming back.
that said i think Shaq is the best choice to replace Cap:D
luthor
03-10-2007, 03:05 AM
I've been thinking and I'm going to throw another wild card out there...
Rick Jones.
Makes sense if you think about it.
comhcinc
03-10-2007, 04:08 AM
i know he is suppose to be in canada now for some reason, but what about U.S. Agent? isn't he the defacto replacement cap?
why hasn't anyone thought about him?
conorkilpatrick
03-10-2007, 04:11 AM
i know he is suppose to be in canada now for some reason, but what about U.S. Agent? isn't he the defacto replacement cap?
why hasn't anyone thought about him?
Because he was an utter crazy disaster the last time he replaced Cap.
comhcinc
03-10-2007, 04:13 AM
Because he was an utter crazy disaster the last time he replaced Cap.
yeah good point there, but i was John Walker, i would feel the need to step in at this moment.
if anything it make a good story
conorkilpatrick
03-10-2007, 04:18 AM
yeah good point there, but i was John Walker, i would feel the need to step in at this moment.
if anything it make a good story
Ed Brubaker said that the whole point of killing Cap would be so they could tell new stories, and having the same guy replace Cap again wouldn't exactly be a new story.
If it's not Bucky I'll be shocked. But then again, Brubaker excels at shocking me.
comhcinc
03-10-2007, 04:26 AM
Ed Brubaker said that the whole point of killing Cap would be so they could tell new stories, and having the same guy replace Cap again wouldn't exactly be a new story.
If it's not Bucky I'll be shocked. But then again, Brubaker excels at shocking me.
and having the sidekick take over is a "new" story?
i think the idea of two or three people deciding to "become" captain america would be interesting. yeah bucky has an interest and so does walker and castle. sharon carter maybe? i mean who is to tell who they can be cap? what if a couple of people decide they are the one for the job?
and you know the government will have a say too? might they come out with their own shield endorsed captain america?
jurassicalien
03-10-2007, 05:36 AM
My Vote...it's gonna be Madelyne Pryor...
I'm pulling for Danny Bonaduce. If he's not Ronin then he should definitely be Cap.
comhcinc
03-10-2007, 05:48 AM
how about deadpool?......just kidding
clint barton........ronin? captain america?
k-dizzle
03-10-2007, 06:25 AM
I voted for Bucky and I dont know why. I would be totally down for an ongoing Winter Solider book. Prblem is the seasons change. Spring soldier would be lame as hell.
conorkilpatrick
03-10-2007, 06:32 AM
and having the sidekick take over is a "new" story?
The reluctant partner (not sidekick; Bucky was his equal according to the Brubaker stories) who has been effectively "dead" for the last 60 years and does not consider himself a hero, rather a bad man who has killed for a foreign government is a lot more original than throwing in the guy who has already been Captain America once before.
So, yes.
comhcinc
03-10-2007, 06:47 AM
The reluctant partner (not sidekick; Bucky was his equal according to the Brubaker run stories) who has been effectively "dead" for the last 60 years and does not consider himself a hero, rather a bad man who has killed for a foreign government is a lot more original than throwing in the guy who has already been Captain America once before.
So, yes.
whatever as stated elsewhere not the real bucky(he's dead and a sidekick)
i'm joking but if this turns unpopular watch marvel change this again. i'm still surpised they let brubaker bring bucky back.
whatever as stated elsewhere not the real bucky(he's dead and a sidekick)
i'm joking but if this turns unpopular watch marvel change this again. i'm still surpised they let brubaker bring bucky back.
I think it took a lot of balls for Marvel to bring Bucky back and I think it's a huge testament to Brubaker's talent that he was able to pull it off. For decades, Bucky was the standard bearer for 'dead is dead'.
jimski
03-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Marvel is usually pretty consistent about who the hero is; I've always been slightly amused by the (DC?) tendency to say "Johnny X is the NEW Captain Powerful!" I keep waiting for the issue where, after a year or so, Captain Powerful shows up and says, "Hey! Who the **** are you?? Gimme back my copyright!" It's hilarious to me that some hero will cease to be and someone else will just go, "You know what? I'll be that guy. I've decided that he's toast, and I've got what it takes."
watsonglenn
03-11-2007, 01:50 PM
I think it took a lot of balls for Marvel to bring Bucky back and I think it's a huge testament to Brubaker's talent that he was able to pull it off. For decades, Bucky was the standard bearer for 'dead is dead'.
Would it also take a lot of balls to bring back Captain Marvel, Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Jean Grey and any other character that died in a dramatic classic story, because if so the writers at Marvel must have more balls than a billiard table?
I like this new Bucky too, but bringing him back makes every death in the Marvel universe from here on out less dramatic, less meaningful.
Death has become a joke with the X-men, even among themselves. Someone dies and its like well that's sad but he'll be back. Colossus is back an no one has even bothered to explain how yet. Siren is supposedly a bit crazy because she won't accept that her dad is really dead but you know what, she's right. Banshee will be back. I'll bet my house on it.
We all just saw Cap with three bullets in him pronounced dead under a sheet with eyes open in the traditional death stare. Thats supposed to be really dead. Thats not like falling in a bottomless pit dead or turning to stone dead that's dead dead.
Does anyone think he is permanently dead? Of course not.
Thats the sort of cynisicm concerning comic book drama that Brubaker is contributing to. But hey at least he got on "Mike and Mike in the Morning."
conorkilpatrick
03-11-2007, 09:09 PM
I like this new Bucky too, but bringing him back makes every death in the Marvel universe from here on out less dramatic, less meaningful.
*snip*
Thats the sort of cynisicm concerning comic book drama that Brubaker is contributing to. But hey at least he got on "Mike and Mike in the Morning."
Do you really think that bringing back Bucky finally broke the camel's back of people's attitudes towards death in comics?
"Oh, Bucky's back? I guess people really don't die in comics... *sniff* I'm so disillusioned."
You're angry they killed Cap. Fine. I even sympathize - I was angry on Wednesday and Thursday. But don't be ridiculous. It's not helping your case.
mikegraham6
03-11-2007, 09:46 PM
Death has become a joke with the X-men, even among themselves. Someone dies and its like well that's sad but he'll be back. Colossus is back an no one has even bothered to explain how yet. Siren is supposedly a bit crazy because she won't accept that her dad is really dead but you know what, she's right. Banshee will be back. I'll bet my house on it.
Death in comics is a joke period. its a serialized medium based on fantasy, death isn't as important as other mediums based more in reality. it also relies primarily on characters who have been around for decades and while there are high quality stories out there, the reason people keep reading during shitty runs is because of the love of the characters. so when a death does happen, you MUST realize that it's the popularity of the character that will bring them back not just company greed (of course there are exceptions, i dont think anyone was clamoring for a captain marvel return). When i told my roommates that cap was killed they said that they thought he'd probably be back later in the story. i agreed with them, he will be back but i corrected them by saying it might not be for a while, thats what makes the story interesting. how long will he be gone for, who will take over, can it last for 20years like the flash???? those are the questions that will keep me coming back.
Listen, superheroes are fantasy and if you can believe that a hero can fly than you can believe that they can come back from the dead. for me death doesn't lose meaning in comics, i do know that my characters will be back, but its still a shock to see them go. its becomes a guessing game on how long they will be gone for and how the writers will tackle the issue of the return.
i just think you have to look at death in comics in a different way. sure its not a meaningful as a movie or even tv (which in some cases has the same problems as comics--soap operas, anyone??) but its still a shock and if anything it sparks reader interest if its done properly.
big-doze
03-12-2007, 12:48 AM
There's no doubt in my mind how this'll go down (Punished becomes Cap, WS lays the smack down, becomes new Cap, Steve takes off Ronin mask in heartwarming scene showing support and pride over Bucky's decision to honor him, and so on), but the fanboy in me cries out for more!
Back when I was first getting into comics, I read a Waid issue of Cap with Steve and Clint Barton (Hawkeye) walking down the street chatting. Of course, they suited up to fight Batroc a few pages later, but I got to thinking: What if soemone just walked up and shot Cap in the head? No warning, nothing, just blam. It's not like they guard there secret IDs very well.
I'd want Clint to take over.
After all the years he's spent giving Steve a hard time, and giving how much he admires him and respects him, that'd be a great story... or it would'a been 5 years ago, when Clint was around. Now it'd just seem outta left field.
Falcon is Falcon. Let him be who he is in his own right. He doesn't need to copy anybody's style.
conorkilpatrick
03-12-2007, 12:54 AM
There's no doubt in my mind how this'll go down (Punished becomes Cap, WS lays the smack down, becomes new Cap, Steve takes off Ronin mask in heartwarming scene showing support and pride over Bucky's decision to honor him, and so on), but the fanboy in me cries out for more!
If Steve Rogers is Ronin I'll do the following Pick of the Week Podcast in my underwear.
THAT is how confident I am that he is NOT Ronin.
If Steve Rogers is Ronin I'll do the next Pick of the Week Podcast in my underwear.
THAT is how confident I am that he is NOT Ronin.
Couldn't you just say that you're in your underwear? It is audio for god's sake
there's no way it's steve
conorkilpatrick
03-12-2007, 12:56 AM
Couldn't you just say that you're in your underwear? It is audio for god's sake
(Shhhhhh...)
(Shhhhhh...)
I'm typing this in my underwear
no wait, I took them off
now I'm naked
iSteve
03-12-2007, 01:10 AM
I'm typing this in my underwear
no wait, I took them off
now I'm naked
Now that's an image. :eek:
iSteve
03-12-2007, 01:13 AM
There's gotta be a term on Wikipedia (like poopsocking) for naked forum posting. :rolleyes:
big-doze
03-12-2007, 01:23 AM
If Steve Rogers is Ronin I'll do the following Pick of the Week Podcast in my underwear.
THAT is how confident I am that he is NOT Ronin.
Make it the video podcast (for verification purposes only, of course) and you're on!
You think it's too obvious? It seems to me with his "death" in his regular book, followed by Ms. Marvel's assertion that he's NOT dead, this is the direction they're heading in.
Of course, it could still be that reformed superpowered female clone of Hitler running around...
conorkilpatrick
03-12-2007, 01:27 AM
You think it's too obvious? It seems to me with his "death" in his regular book, followed by Ms. Marvel's assertion that he's NOT dead, this is the direction they're heading in.
Quesada has said that Ms. Marvel was lying to Spider Woman about Cap being alive and that it was going to come back to bite her later on.
iSteve
03-12-2007, 01:29 AM
Quesada has said that Ms. Marvel was lying to Spider Woman about Cap being alive and that it was going to come back to bite her later on.
On the other hand, he also lied about Cap not dying (not that I think Ronin is Steve). Can't trust Quesada now.
big-doze
03-12-2007, 01:30 AM
Quesada has said that Ms. Marvel was lying to Spider Woman about Cap being alive and that it was going to come back to bite her later on.
Ah, now this I did not know. That actually makes me feel a lot better about the whole thing, oddly enough.
Ok ok, maybe Ronin is Iron Fist, and Iron Fist is Daredevil, while Daredevil is actually Spider-Man, but Spider-Man has actually been Kraven all along.
unnamedfrenchguy
03-12-2007, 01:45 AM
If Steve Rogers is Ronin I'll do the following Pick of the Week Podcast in my underwear.
You mean you don't do all of them in your underwear?
k-dizzle
03-12-2007, 02:10 AM
Quesada has said that Ms. Marvel was lying to Spider Woman about Cap being alive and that it was going to come back to bite her later on.
I didnt hear that from Quesada, but I got that impression from Tony's reaction to Ms MArvels comments. I'm glad it was conveyed that way to me, in the book. My wife read it because it was a hegu media event, and said "why are you so upset, look right here hes not dead" I had to explain to her that Marvel would not bring him back the SAME FRICKIN WEEK!! maybe a year.
conorkilpatrick
03-12-2007, 03:07 AM
From the CBR interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9914) with Quesada:
CBR: One thing that's been going around today was discussion of a sequence in "Civil War: The Initiative" where there was some talk that Cap was still alive. Can you address that for our readers?
JQ: I have not read the actual panels that were published, but the truth of the matter is it's a discussion between Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman or something like that - and I'm about to SPOIL "THE INITIATIVE" STORY for everybody right here, right now, so stop reading if you don't want to know - but what Ms. Marvel is trying to do is she's trying to trap Spider-Woman. She's actually giving her mis-information, none of that is true, but it is an element of the story that eventually gets revealed later on in the story. SPOILER OVER
watsonglenn
03-12-2007, 05:00 AM
JQ: I have not read the actual panels that were published, but the truth of the matter is it's a discussion between Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman or something like that - and I'm about to SPOIL "THE INITIATIVE" STORY for everybody right here, right now, so stop reading if you don't want to know - but what Ms. Marvel is trying to do is she's trying to trap Spider-Woman. She's actually giving her mis-information, none of that is true, but it is an element of the story that eventually gets revealed later on in the story. SPOILER OVER
So Ms Marvel the alcoholic who wants to be a major superhero after the taste of limelight she got in House of M is now reduced to lying about the death of Captain America to a fellow Avenger who has saved her life.
Nice.
I know Marvel's bread and butter is supposed to be that their heroes are not perfect Like Superman. They have flaws like the rest of us. But come on, even I would not go that low.
This makes me vomit. "Oh yeah, Caps not really dead, Surprise!, fooled ya. Now you get to go to jail for saving lives while I get to work with Norman Osborn and Tony Stark. We are about to arrest that ***** May Parker for aiding and abetting.
k-dizzle
03-12-2007, 05:06 AM
So Ms Marvel the alcoholic who wants to be a major superhero after the taste of limelight she got in House of M is now reduced to lying about the death of Captain America to a fellow Avenger who has saved her life.
Nice.
I know Marvel's bread and butter is supposed to be that their heroes are not perfect Like Superman. They have flaws like the rest of us. But come on, even I would not go that low.
This makes me vomit. "Oh yeah, Caps not really dead, Surprise!, fooled ya. Now you get to go to jail for saving lives while I get to work with Norman Osborn and Tony Stark. We are about to arrest that ***** May Parker for aiding and abetting. I didnt think she would lie about it either but she is the new leader of the Avengers and she wants to impress Iron Man. When Tony told Ms Marvel to go get Jesssica drew she didnt want to fail. Im sure this will be a major plot point in the future.
jimski
03-12-2007, 05:58 AM
She could also have been lied to herself. I don't know much about this story yet.
watsonglenn
03-12-2007, 10:58 AM
I didnt think she would lie about it either but she is the new leader of the Avengers and she wants to impress Iron Man.
Well this should do it. Now all she has to do is kill some innocent people and profit from a war and Tony will really be impressed.
Lets take a look at the Avengers team she "leads," and please she is leading nothing. Iron Man is paying for everything, he is on the team. He is the leader. Unless Cap or Thor are on the team he is always the leader.
1. Aries: OK Marvel has a long tradition of putting villains on teams and seeing if they can rehabilitate them. Thats fine. And paying Avengers a stipend is nothing new. And I like the new Aries. But his crass request for $44 an hour is not exactly inspirational.
2. Wonderman: The way this guy bent over for the government during the Civil War due to his tax problems and hunted down other heroes make me sick.
3. Wasp: According to Iron Man she is the "greatest Avenger." I don't see it but she has slept with three Avengers, eight if you count Yellow Jacket, so to Tony, maybe she is the greatest.
4. Sentry: (Bi-polar Superman) When the most powerful Avenger is on the team because he is a 'weapon' and we have to 'keep an eye on him' then your in trouble.
5. Iron Man: Mass murderer, war profiteer and traitor. To be fair he killed all those people by accident, again.
6. Black Widow: I like her. I predict she is only on the team to keep an eye on Tony. She is probably working for Fury.
7. Ms Marvel: I like her and I like the conlficted way she acted during the Civil War. But the reality is she lied about the death of Cap and she is working for a murderer. Her need to regain the fame she had in the House of M is not a very noble motivation.
watsonglenn
03-12-2007, 10:59 AM
She could also have been lied to herself. I don't know much about this story yet.
If Ms Marvel found out Cap was still alive. She would go and see him.