Venom photos...nice [Archive]

darron

03-14-2007, 03:40 PM

I'm not. I think this'll be a good book-end for the series.

So no more Tobey and Kirsten, eh? Well screw 'em. I think there's a much, much, MUCH better guy out there to play Spider-Man anyways (All Maguire's Parker dialoge feels forced, IMO). It's not like they'd have to come back and redo the origin story if they kept making films (which I hope they do, even if it means having a new team behind the camera as well).

mister-s

03-14-2007, 03:51 PM

My only thought about 3 is "trust in Sam."

I think Tobey is pretty good though. Kirsten, however, is unremarkable in every possible way.

darron

03-14-2007, 03:52 PM

I didn't notice before.....Venom has black webbing. That's a cool touch.

jurassicalien

03-14-2007, 03:59 PM

Worried why?

Well, because (this might be spoiler...I don't know...so...)

I read a few things on line that indicate Venom (not Brock, but Venom) is only in the movie 20 minutes in the end.

And I kind of wanted a full out Venom movie, but that's me, so it's a minimal worry at best, like 1%. The rest of it, is "HOLY CRAP CAN'T WAIT!" so I'm sure it'll be a great film, I have no doubt in that, I'm just a venom fan boy, and I think there's alot of potential beyound 20 mins.

Of course this isn't confirmed, the movie hasn't come out yet, so this is all rumor, so that's why it's just worry.

k33k3r

03-14-2007, 04:29 PM

Well, because (this might be spoiler...I don't know...so...)

I read a few things on line that indicate Venom (not Brock, but Venom) is only in the movie 20 minutes in the end.

And I kind of wanted a full out Venom movie, but that's me, so it's a minimal worry at best, like 1%. The rest of it, is "HOLY CRAP CAN'T WAIT!" so I'm sure it'll be a great film, I have no doubt in that, I'm just a venom fan boy, and I think there's alot of potential beyound 20 mins.

Of course this isn't confirmed, the movie hasn't come out yet, so this is all rumor, so that's why it's just worry.

I've heard the samethings and am worried as well. But I guess we'll have to wait to see. I have a feeling Marvel knows better than to allow this to happen.

mikegraham6

03-14-2007, 04:58 PM

I've heard the samethings and am worried as well. But I guess we'll have to wait to see. I have a feeling Marvel knows better than to allow this to happen.

i'd pefer to have an entire flick devoted to him and i also think they have a few too many baddies in it. but i do have faith in raimi, the first 2 were amazing (spectacular???) and in certain the 3rd will be as well, im just a little let down...
but still hyped, can't wait to see it at midnight opening night (on IMAX!!)

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 05:05 PM

jurassicalien

03-14-2007, 05:26 PM

It kinda does seem like there are too many bad guys/plotlines going in this one, but I trust in Raimi.

Of course, I am one of the few who really don't care for Venom being in the movie. I'm quite fond of the classic villains. I'd rather Venom not come in and muck things up.

What can I say, I'm a product of the 80's comics world, I love me the Venom (well did, they mucked him up BAD over time...real bad...ugh)

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 05:30 PM

What can I say, I'm a product of the 80's comics world, I love me the Venom (well did, they mucked him up BAD over time...real bad...ugh)

Venom, to me, is one of the represntatives of the bad old days of comics in the 90s - take an interesting character that fans love and over capitalize on that popularity and drive it into the ground.

I'd much rather see Spider-Man face off against Electro or The Lizard or Rhino in the movie.

k33k3r

03-14-2007, 06:16 PM

Also a valid point. It even seems that they are trying to cash in on Venom with this movie. The the sound of his name and people are all a buzz over SM3. I would have rather seem some different villians as well. Hopefully this will be the last of Harry in the movies... If there are anymore after 3

horatio616

03-14-2007, 07:04 PM

These just hit the web today, and I have to say, pretty sweet pictures, though now seeing that he actaully is in the movie and not just a flash in the end...I have my worries.

I never thought Venom wasn't going to be in the movie. They showed the bell tower in the very first preview, unless I'm losing my mind.

horatio616

03-14-2007, 07:09 PM

My only thought about 3 is "trust in Sam."

I think Tobey is pretty good though. Kirsten, however, is unremarkable in every possible way.

I disagree, and so do many others. Tobey isn't what makes the movie; it's the chemistry between Tobey and Kirsten. Without it, you have Ghost Rider or Daredevil or Superman Returns. It's integral to the series' success.

mikegraham6

03-14-2007, 07:33 PM

i can't stand kirsten dunst. i dont think she can act, she has ugly teeth and she laughs at comic books, so BOO to her :p

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 07:36 PM

i can't stand kirsten dunst. i dont think she can act, she has ugly teeth and she laughs at comic books, so BOO to her :p

Who cares what she thinks about comic books?

kwok_talk

03-14-2007, 07:40 PM

i can't stand kirsten dunst. i dont think she can act, she has ugly teeth and she laughs at comic books, so BOO to her :p

I don't think she's mind-blowing, but does the job and when she was announced as MJ, I thought it was believable.

Who would you have cast?

mikegraham6

03-14-2007, 07:46 PM

Who cares what she thinks about comic books?

i dont really, its was more a joke than anything, but now that you brought it up i think you can have your own opinions about comics/superheroes but if your starring in a/THE superhero movie you probably should'nt say negative things about it in interviews, its just not good for the movie

mikegraham6

03-14-2007, 07:47 PM

I don't think she's mind-blowing, but does the job and when she was announced as MJ, I thought it was believable.

Who would you have cast?

Scarlett Johanssen, but in all honesty, i'd cast her in anything:D

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 07:54 PM

i dont really, its was more a joke than anything, but now that you brought it up i think you can have your own opinions about comics/superheroes but if your starring in a/THE superhero movie you probably should'nt say negative things about it in interviews, its just not good for the movie

Nothing she says in the press* will stop Spider-Man 3 from printing money.

I find her to be quite appealing, although she is the latest victim of the "I look like a skeleton, aren't I so hot?" young starlet syndrome.

* Short of some sort of Mel Gibson/Michael Richards type meltdown, and even then I suspect it wouldn't have any effect.

darron

03-14-2007, 08:02 PM

If I remember correctly (unfortunately, I don't have the time to look and find the actual article), I read that Venom was kinda "forced" onto Raimi by Sony....hence, why he's not the main villain.

mikegraham6

03-14-2007, 08:04 PM

Nothing she says in the press* will stop Spider-Man 3 from printing money.

I find her to be quite appealing, although she is the latest victim of the "I look like a skeleton, aren't I so hot?" young starlet syndrome.

* Short of some sort of Mel Gibson/Michael Richards type meltdown, and even then I suspect it wouldn't have any effect.

Well conor, i think you should prepare yourself for the worst because i have a really funny feeling that raimi is gonna pull the old switcheroo on us. i think he is going to kill of MJ and have gwen stacy be the new love interest. Dunst has said she isn't interested in making anymore spider-man movies (i know tobey said the same thing after the first one, but she is less interested than he is). and doing this would be a great twist to the story, it would even throw us comic geeks for a loop! i think it would be a great twist and give us a new love interest for the next movie (because there definitely WILL be one)

Plus Bryce Dallas Howard is a cutie!

iSteve

03-14-2007, 08:11 PM

Well conor, i think you should prepare yourself for the worst because i have a really funny feeling that raimi is gonna pull the old switcheroo on us. i think he is going to kill of MJ and have gwen stacy be the new love interest. Dunst has said she isn't interested in making anymore spider-man movies (i know tobey said the same thing after the first one, but she is less interested than he is). and doing this would be a great twist to the story, it would even throw us comic geeks for a loop! i think it would be a great twist and give us a new love interest for the next movie (because there definitely WILL be one)

Plus Bryce Dallas Howard is a cutie!

It'll never happen. Goes to much against the Spider-Man "canon." Though I have to admit, it would be an interesting twist.

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 08:13 PM

It'll never happen. Goes to much against the Spider-Man "canon." Though I have to admit, it would be an interesting twist.

I actually am almost positive that's what's going to happen. Spider-Man cannon? It doesn't matter in the movies.

darron

03-14-2007, 08:16 PM

I'm with Conor. If they can make it to where Sandman is actually Uncle Ben's killer, I can see 'em offing M.J. in favor of Gwen.

horatio616

03-14-2007, 08:16 PM

Scarlett Johanssen, but in all honesty, i'd cast her in anything:D

She's already in everything, and vice-versa!

Dunst doesn't have great teeth, but they're at least hers. Practically every Hollywood actor has full crowns. It's kind of refreshing actually.

mikegraham6

03-14-2007, 08:16 PM

It'll never happen. Goes to much against the Spider-Man "canon." Though I have to admit, it would be an interesting twist.

Organic webshooters? c'mon, sony will change whatever they want as long as it fits with their long term goals (eg dunst leaving the franchise)

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 08:21 PM

She's already in everything, and vice-versa!

Dunst doesn't have great teeth, but they're at least hers. Practically every Hollywood actor has full crowns. It's kind of refreshing actually.

This from the dentist!

horatio616

03-14-2007, 08:30 PM

This from the dentist!

Everytime I watch a movie with her, I say: "Damn, I'd like to get ahold of those teeth."

I said 'teeth', not teats! Sheesh!

If you've ever seen Extreme Makeover, you may have seen one of the dentists on there, Dr. Bill Dorfman. He does a lot of work on celebs and at a seminar showed before and after photos of one of the girls from Baywatch. Her name escapes me. Also had a humorous anecdote about Matthew Perry getting last-minute crowns for a movie role after realizing his teeth would be on a 90-foot screen.

drwally

03-14-2007, 08:52 PM

Organic webshooters? c'mon, sony will change whatever they want as long as it fits with their long term goals (eg dunst leaving the franchise)

Guess what, here is the final nail in Dunst's coffin. First, a few reminders for those that think Sony is a Japanese company and the U.S. market is the only film market:
1) Sony's CEO is American, spends 6 months in the US, 6 months in Japan, Sony is truly a global company, and whoever is in charge of their film division, probably knows Sony is having big problems in all areas of their business. Spiderman is one of their few success stories recently.
2) 50% of any film's profits are expected to come from overseas; if they don't, then it's not considered successful in Hollywood. "Overseas" does not mean just Japan, but its a pretty big part of the world market.
3) Spiderman movies are almost the only American superhero movies that do well in Japan, because Spiderman has name recognition and some history in Japanese media here. Basically, the character themes of Peter Parker (everyman, etc.) in particular has appeal here.
4) Spiderman is the ONLY superhero movie (except maybe Batman) that was released simultaneously all around the world ---almost every other movie was released in Japan 2-3 months after the US release (including Superman Returns and X-Men).

Finally, on Dunst in particular:
Most Japanese I talk to (and I talk to a lot in my job) say this about Spiderman: "I really liked that one, the only comic movie I saw, except that girl in the movie, what's her name? She was really not very interesting, not very pretty, not very...anything." I hear this all the time. Keep in mind that the "date movie" thing (boy takes girl to movie) is a HUGE aspect of the market here, so the romantic interest aspect is critical.

That may all equal: Kiss of Death, Kirsten Dunst. When Japanese film goers who don't care for American comic heros but like Spiderman movies, AND agree with most fanboys about Dunst, that's not a good sign (for Dunst).

Venom? My impression from the trailer is that it won't be "Sandman here, Venom there," but rather all woven together in a narrative that flows together. But we'll see...(I'm sure as hell buying a ticket...)

jimski

03-14-2007, 08:54 PM

I actually am almost positive that's what's going to happen. Spider-Man cannon? It doesn't matter in the movies.

I've already read the story where MJ and Peter get married. Something different would be interesting.

I've been thinking about this question for years (and writing about it at much greater length elsewhere (http://jimski.nopaper.net/2004/09/04/adaptation/)) but I still cannot wrap my head around why we as humans want to see movies based on things we have already read. If I go see Daredevil and they do it all wrong, it's like a knife in my heart. If I go see 300 and they copy frame-for-frame a book I've already read... how is that a victory for me, or an enjoyable experience? "Hooray! They did Sin City exactly right! Now I don't have to use my imagination anymore!"

And I mean, everyone does it. The Harry Potter people; the Lord of the Rings people; anyone who ever saw the Super Mario Brothers movie. I just can't figure out why. I feel like a four-year-old: "Daddy, tell me The Transformers again. Exactly like last time."

horatio616

03-14-2007, 09:07 PM

I've already read the story where MJ and Peter get married. Something different would be interesting.

I've been thinking about this question for years (and writing about it at much greater length elsewhere (http://jimski.nopaper.net/2004/09/04/adaptation/)) but I still cannot wrap my head around why we as humans want to see movies based on things we have already read. If I go see Daredevil and they do it all wrong, it's like a knife in my heart. If I go see 300 and they copy frame-for-frame a book I've already read... how is that a victory for me, or an enjoyable experience? "Hooray! They did Sin City exactly right! Now I don't have to use my imagination anymore!"

And I mean, everyone does it. The Harry Potter people; the Lord of the Rings people; anyone who ever saw the Super Mario Brothers movie. I just can't figure out why. I feel like a four-year-old: "Daddy, tell me The Transformers again. Exactly like last time."

People want a wider audience to experience what they did in a new medium. If something is changed and there's a negative reaction to it, they feel a disservice has been done to something they hold dear. If it's changed and is actually good, well, you don't hear so much about it.

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 09:08 PM

Spiderman... Spiderman... Spiderman... Spiderman... Spiderman... Spiderman

Spider-Man!!!

:D

(I'm not picking you Wally, I've seen it all over the board and it irks me - we're supposed to be learned comic readers!)

Finally, on Dunst in particular:
Most Japanese I talk to (and I talk to a lot in my job) say this about Spiderman: "I really liked that one, the only comic movie I saw, except that girl in the movie, what's her name? She was really not very interesting, not very pretty, not very...anything." I hear this all the time. Keep in mind that the "date movie" thing (boy takes girl to movie) is a HUGE aspect of the market here, so the romantic interest aspect is critical.

I think you overestimate the audience reaction to Dunst and underestimate her own desire to leave. The director seems to like her, the star seems to like her, the audience reaction is mixed (unklike with Katie Holmes) and the box office has not sufferred one inch. I really think it's all about her contract being up and she not wanting to do it anymore. Plain and simple.

jimski

03-14-2007, 09:14 PM

Spider-Man!!!

Wait, are we not talking about Woody Allen's new romantic comedy, Loving Noah Spiderman?

I've been posting in the wrong thread.

conorkilpatrick

03-14-2007, 09:18 PM

Wait, are we not talking about Woody Allen's new romantic comedy, Loving Noah Spiderman?

I've been posting in the wrong thread.

Mort Spidermen?

That was a great Friends joke.

fred

03-14-2007, 09:21 PM

I was thinking about Kirsten Dunst the other day and it's pretty crazy. She made her first movie when she was 7. She made Interview with The Vampire when she was 12 and since then she has arguably been a relatively big star. It's so rare that she's continued to work and even get bigger into her 20s. Christina Ricci has done it too, but it seems that there are a lot more people like Gary Coleman, Emmanuel Lewis, Haley Joel Osment, Todd Bridges.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/osmentmug1.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9905/09/plato.obit/link.bridges.jpg

fred

03-14-2007, 09:22 PM

Mort Spidermen?

That was a great Friends joke.

And John Stewart did it as Irving Spiderman on The Daily Show

kwok_talk

03-14-2007, 09:22 PM

Haley did not age well.

darron

03-14-2007, 09:22 PM

Haley Joel Osment....ah, that picture makes my day every time I see it. He never saw dead people, he was just stoned.

fred

03-14-2007, 09:23 PM

Haley Joel Osment....ah, that picture makes my day every time I see it. He never saw dead people, he was just stoned.

You'd have to be. How sick of that line do you think he is?

EDIT: It's his 'What you talking bout Willis'

darron

03-14-2007, 09:26 PM

Honestly, that flick has probably gotten him more booty than he could ever know what to do with, so I don't care how sick of that line he is.

*Claps* DYN-O-MITE!

fred

03-14-2007, 09:28 PM

You don't think The Country Bears gets him laid?

darron

03-14-2007, 09:31 PM

No more than Jungle Book 2 did.

jurassicalien

03-14-2007, 09:38 PM

Dunst was never a draw for me, but she also was never anything that pushed me away from the films. I have more of a middle ground, take it or leave it with her.

Now Bryce Howard....good times, and if they kill off MJ to go with Gwen, I won't complain, not a bit, not a single peep.

fred

03-14-2007, 09:49 PM

No more than Jungle Book 2 did.

how about Edwurd Fudwupper Fibbed Big (http://imdb.com/title/tt0255980/) ?

kwok_talk

03-14-2007, 09:55 PM

This might be worse

http://www.digg.com/celebrity/Remember_the_kid_from_Terminator_2_What_the_hell_h appened

fred

03-14-2007, 09:59 PM

HOLY CRAP. I'm posting the pic to save people clicking on the link

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/03/0309_edward_splashnews.jpg

jimski

03-14-2007, 09:59 PM

Mort Spidermen?

That was a great Friends joke.

Oy! If I'd known the joke had been made that often already, I'd have left it alone. I feel like Milton Berle now.

("Milton" would've been a better name for Mr. Spiderman.)

I worry about Dakota Fanning. Not, like, actively, but it seems like that True Hollywood Story could not end well for anybody.

fred

03-14-2007, 10:03 PM

Oy! If I'd known the joke had been made that often already, I'd have left it alone. I feel like Milton Berle now.

("Milton" would've been a better name for Mr. Spiderman.)

I worry about Dakota Fanning. Not, like, actively, but it seems like that True Hollywood Story could not end well for anybody.

I know exactly what you mean. How the hell could her parents let her make a movie where she's brutally raped, even if she shot her scenes alone? In the interest of full disclosure, I haven't seen it yet. As the father of a daughter though, I don't feel like that matters.

drwally

03-14-2007, 10:30 PM

Spider-Man!!!

:D

(I'm not picking you Wally, I've seen it all over the board and it irks me - we're supposed to be learned comic readers!)

I think you overestimate the audience reaction to Dunst and underestimate her own desire to leave. The director seems to like her, the star seems to like her, the audience reaction is mixed (unklike with Katie Holmes) and the box office has not sufferred one inch. I really think it's all about her contract being up and she not wanting to do it anymore. Plain and simple.

OH, Spider (hypen) man...that is embarrassing. But cut me some slack. It's now 6:30 AM Tokyo time, my mind is fading... Hard to keep up with you fresh youngsters on EST (so what's their excuse?)

I don't think I overestimate the audience reaction to Dunst, but I do think you're right that Dunst is "in" with Raimi and McGuire and others on the set. And a 3 year contract is a pretty long contract in Hollywood, I was amazed they got McGuire to agree to that... He's not exactly a "newbie" to Hollywood...

fred

03-15-2007, 12:30 AM

OH, Spider (hypen) man...that is embarrassing. But cut me some slack. It's now 6:30 AM Tokyo time, my mind is fading... Hard to keep up with you fresh youngsters on EST (so what's their excuse?)

I don't think I overestimate the audience reaction to Dunst, but I do think you're right that Dunst is "in" with Raimi and McGuire and others on the set. And a 3 year contract is a pretty long contract in Hollywood, I was amazed they got McGuire to agree to that... He's not exactly a "newbie" to Hollywood...

It's morning here - WAAAAAAAAH :p

drwally

03-15-2007, 03:25 PM

It's morning here - WAAAAAAAAH :p

I meant it's morning here as in "It's 6:30 AM in Tokyo and I been up all night." I know people who work with computers are really good with the mathematics, but they have this problem when it comes to visualizing the idea that "Gee, not everyone in the world exists in my time zone, therefore if they are posting at the same time as me, I have to add 17+ hours, my time + 17 hours, and do they have daylight savings time in Japan?"

System failure. Waaaaah.:rolleyes:

Fred: I go online at about midnight, you tend to get up early and get online early in the in the morning before work. "52" is composed of 52 weeks. Japan is not on the same side of the world as the Boston and surrounding area, the world is round, the sun goes around the world, not everyone lives in America, just one country. Going too fast?:p

fred

03-15-2007, 03:27 PM

I'm just picking on you. I get the time zone thing.

drwally

03-15-2007, 04:49 PM

I'm just picking on you. I get the time zone thing.

I know, I think in a previous life we were best friends at age 10 that argued all those "who would win if (your favorite character) fought (my favorite character), which we resolve by a good round of spit ball fights. I hooked up with a friend from Jr. High 20 years after we graduated, and we both have fond memories of us chasing each other up and down stairs with suction cup dart guns. He remembers he got me good with a dart that stuck to my glasses, I dispute that.

I'm sure you would take his side....:p