I just got fired!

[decemberfall]

Well I'd gotten another job offer and I went to my boss and supervisor this morning to talk to them, I told them i'd had another offer, and they told me I had to choose this second whether i was taking the other job or staying, and I said if that's the case then i'm putting my two weeks notice in, and was told to pack up my stuff and leave, they wouldn't take my formal 2 weeks notice I was told to send it it.

I had fully planned on working my last 2 weeks, i had projects I wanted to finish and things to teach the new guy before i left the company.

My new employer called and said I can start Monday or take a little time off if I want. The worst part, the job isn't even in the same field, so there was no competition at all.

[shadowbird712]

Well, that's not cool.

[ericjosepi]

That's rough, hon. Serisously. I'm shocked and stunned. At least you have this other one lined up though. I know it's not much consolation, but it's something.

[tokenuser]

More importantly, how does this effect the relationship with the (ex)bosses son? Its not nepotism or fishing off the company pier if you don't work for the same company ...

BTW - You resigned. 2 weeks notice (actually, its one pay period) is a courtesy, not a requirement. Many companies will terminate you early (ie immediately) when you resign for security reasons as much as anything else. They dont want you walking out with a box of paperclips, and know that you will not be effective for the period, so why have you around? Not a good philosophy for a good employee - it doesn't alow for any transitioning of tasks to another person.

Such is life. Enjoy your new job :)

[acidburn]

Well I'd gotten another job offer and I went to my boss and supervisor this morning to talk to them, I told them i'd had another offer, and they told me I had to choose this second whether i was taking the other job or staying, and I said if that's the case then i'm putting my two weeks notice in, and was told to pack up my stuff and leave, they wouldn't take my formal 2 weeks notice I was told to send it it.

I had fully planned on working my last 2 weeks, i had projects I wanted to finish and things to teach the new guy before i left the company.

My new employer called and said I can start Monday or take a little time off if I want. The worst part, the job isn't even in the same field, so there was no competition at all.

You need to protect yourself here. Still put your two weeks notice in writing and deliver it to HR if your supervisor won't accept it.

They have every right to ask you to leave on the spot, but it still sucks.

You have a great opportunity here. Take a week off between jobs and enjoy the spring. Or even take the two weeks since you have the other job secured.

Technically you weren't fired, because you were intending on giving notice so this doesn't have to reflect badly on you. Your boss was just being a jerk and is probably not a very good manager to react to a good employee that way.

Do you like the other job you have offered, even though it is not in your field? Good luck with the new job.

[decemberfall]

More importantly, how does this effect the relationship with the (ex)bosses son? Its not nepotism or fishing off the company pier if you don't work for the same company ...

BTW - You resigned. 2 weeks notice (actually, its one pay period) is a courtesy, not a requirement. Many companies will terminate you early (ie immediately) when you resign for security reasons as much as anything else. They dont want you walking out with a box of paperclips, and know that you will not be effective for the period, so why have you around? Not a good philosophy for a good employee - it doesn't alow for any transitioning of tasks to another person.

Such is life. Enjoy your new job :)
speaking of, he just sent me a text calling me a liar because I guess 3 days ago someone called him asking how he was doing cause they had heard that I was telling people he was upset and crying cause I broke up with him... all completely not true, we were just friends, but it pissed him off bad enough so he's not talking to me, so i guess a fresh start is a good thing...

[samureye]

Sounds like a blessing to me. On to new things!

[xibalba]

Like was said have another job lined up. It still sucks though. As for the friend guy seems like someone out there is trying start something and make you look bad so seems like the best thing to do is avoid him.

[decemberfall]

Like was said have another job lined up. It still sucks though. As for the friend guy seems like someone out there is trying start something and make you look bad so seems like the best thing to do is avoid him.
yep i'm completely done with him, after he called me a liar for something i didn't say, i'm done.

and I just called and i'm starting my new job on Monday!

[tokenuser]

and I just called and i'm starting my new job on Monday!Good luck Monday - I hope the new place has good medical coverage or a lack of stairs :)

[xibalba]

Cool. Hope ya enjoy your new job.
People who believe everything they have been told can be trouble.

[decemberfall]

Good luck Monday - I hope the new place has good medical coverage or a lack of stairs :)
it's a government job, it has both elevators and good insurance!

[decemberfall]

Cool. Hope ya enjoy your new job.
People who believe everything they have been told can be trouble.
yeah someone at work told me he was with a hooker when he was in Vegas last week, which I know wasn't true and didn't even bother him with it, it's just stupid crap, and he fell right into it, and he can stay there, i told him i didn't ever lie to him or about him, and if he doesn't believe that that's his problem not mine.

[samureye]

Hope you have more PC time to keep forums active :p

[decemberfall]

Hope you have more PC time to keep forums active :p
ha ha, i'm gonna be working 35 hours paid for 40, where my old job i was working between 45-50 and getting paid for 40

[xibalba]

Government job huh. Thats just evil even beyond me. :D

[masherscf]

If it doesn't work out you can come work for me.

The bad news is that there isn't really much of a job. The good news, I pay in beer.

[alaskalonewolf]

I can't remember who said it best, something along the lines of: A job is a place where they pay you for your life, a day, a hour, a minute at a time. Some people are workers, that have jobs... some people are craftsmen that have a trade, some are artists... they'd do it for free. Too bad for me, I've only had jobs so far.

[decemberfall]

If it doesn't work out you can come work for me.

The bad news is that there isn't really much of a job. The good news, I pay in beer.
well that wouldn't work for me... i don't like beer :(

[masherscf]

well that wouldn't work for me... i don't like beer :(

You probably like getting paid with real money too.

[bman]

Well I'd gotten another job offer and I went to my boss and supervisor this morning to talk to them, I told them i'd had another offer, and they told me I had to choose this second whether i was taking the other job or staying, and I said if that's the case then i'm putting my two weeks notice in, and was told to pack up my stuff and leave, they wouldn't take my formal 2 weeks notice I was told to send it it.

I had fully planned on working my last 2 weeks, i had projects I wanted to finish and things to teach the new guy before i left the company.

My new employer called and said I can start Monday or take a little time off if I want. The worst part, the job isn't even in the same field, so there was no competition at all.

bomber, thats really crap, but newer job is always good. I saw you post this on myspace, i was like oh shit!

[decemberfall]

You probably like getting paid with real money too.
yeah that would be nice,

i dunno, today i'm just really upset, i mean obviously i made the right decision with the way they acted, but it doesn't make it any easier, and with all the stupid stuff that went on around it. I really know I am going to be better off in the long run, but it just sucks right now.

[decemberfall]

oh yeah, and it really sucked, cost me almost $15 to send the certified letters with my 2 weeks notice in them...

[tokenuser]

The really crappy part is the rumours. Given the realtionship with the bosses son, you know its going to be "She got fired because she was sleeping with him" type of stuff ... and you have zero defense.

Screw them. Move on.

[decemberfall]

The really crappy part is the rumours. Given the realtionship with the bosses son, you know its going to be "She got fired because she was sleeping with him" type of stuff ... and you have zero defense.

Screw them. Move on.
no it's more i got fired cause I broke up with him, which isn't the case, but i think he might have something to do with me being fired, but i don't know for sure, and i guess i'll never know either

[xibalba]

I say good riddance to them all! Ya deserve better.

[rabidbadger]

If it doesn't work out you can come work for me.

The bad news is that there isn't really much of a job. The good news, I pay in beer.

Dude. You hiring? Resume in the mail!!! Mmmmm Beer.

[rabidbadger]

Decemberfall. I wouldn't take it so hard. Take it from R3O'F (rev3 old fart). This is the way companies are trained to deal with such things these days. Has been the trend for ten fifteen years now. They don't tell you this when you are hired for legal reasons, but any employer that isn't a good friend will do the same thing. Everyone reading this, all you young whippersnappers, take this advise. Be Smart Like Decemberfall was! Have your backup job in your back pocket before you even hint you might be leaving your present job.

Silly, sad, just the way it is.

Good luck to you, babe, sounds like things are gonna get better.

[decemberfall]

Thanks everyone for being really supportive, i really need that today, thanks to everyone!

[acidburn]

Decemberfall. I wouldn't take it so hard. Take it from R3O'F (rev3 old fart). This is the way companies are trained to deal with such things these days. Has been the trend for ten fifteen years now. They don't tell you this when you are hired for legal reasons, but any employer that isn't a good friend will do the same thing. Everyone reading this, all you young whippersnappers, take this advise. Be Smart Like Decemberfall was! Have your backup job in your back pocket before you even hint you might be leaving your present job.

Silly, sad, just the way it is.

Good luck to you, babe, sounds like things are gonna get better.

Rabidbadger is right, for the most part you are considered "an employee at will" and that the employer has the right to terminate your employment at anytime, for any reason.

Decemberfall, sounds like you landed on your feet in the face of a bad situation. Good for you and I'm glad everything ended well for you. Good luck at the new job. :)

[ariastar]

If it doesn't work out you can come work for me.

The bad news is that there isn't really much of a job. The good news, I pay in beer.

Where can I sign up?!

[ariastar]

no it's more i got fired cause I broke up with him, which isn't the case, but i think he might have something to do with me being fired, but i don't know for sure, and i guess i'll never know either

You weren't fired for breaking up with him. You actually weren't fired at all. Technically, when you quit and give two weeks' notice, you are saying, "I quit, but will work for two more weeks." In some industries, it makes sense to keep the person. In some, it doesn't.

What wasn't cool was that they wanted a decision that minute. THAT might have had to do with having dated and broken up with the boss's kid. But we DID warn you that it wasn't so wise to date someone so close to the boss.

But at least you have another ("better" - quotes 'cause, hey, it's for the govie!) job to go to right away if you want to start immediately.

[ariastar]

Everyone reading this, all you young whippersnappers, take this advise. Be Smart Like Decemberfall was! Have your backup job in your back pocket before you even hint you might be leaving your present job.

Actually, be willing to take the other job before you bring it up to your current employer in case you find yourself out of a job as of that minute.

(I do know that, at this company, there is no two-week-notice. I do believe they still pay for two weeks for employees, but there's no working. Hell, competitive field. And, actually, a lot of people come back to this company after a while.)

[rabidbadger]

Aria, just saying... Good to see your here again after several day. Sometimes I worry, like I did with Eric, but with you, I never know... You may abandon us because of good things (love,life etc..) or bad (medical issues, bummed out...)

We really have to create a way to deal with out occasional absences.

What if one of us had a serious long term illness, or even death. How would we know? What if one of us got seriously depressed to the point of harming themselves? How could we help?

Seriously concerned, but most probably should be it's own (sticky) thread.

[ariastar]

Aria, just saying... Good to see your here again after several day. Sometimes I worry, like I did with Eric, but with you, I never know... You may abandon us because of good things (love,life etc..) or bad (medical issues, bummed out...)

We really have to create a way to deal with out occasional absences.

What if one of us had a serious long term illness, or even death. How would we know? What if one of us got seriously depressed to the point of harming themselves? How could we help?

Seriously concerned, but most probably should be it's own (sticky) thread.

6509876543 First three are my area code. Of the remaining seven, invert the first and last digits and you have the rest. (People, please don't write it out right online, m'kay? I hate telemarketers and really don't feel like paying daytime minutes to deal with them.

One forum I was on had a sticky where people would post if they were going to be gone a few days. I think it could be good if we had something like that here.

Usually when I leave, it's because I'm sad about something. But it's not forever. Unless I'm dead. And even then, i's just for however long it takes for me to come back to life.

[rabidbadger]

One forum I was on had a sticky where people would post if they were going to be gone a few days. I think it could be good if we had something like that here.


Absolutely. CowGod, are you listening? Please, we are such good friends here, We should figure out something.

[ericjosepi]

I like to think I've come too far to harm myself again but who knows right? The last time I disapeered it was because of booze, emotional issues and a very kind woman who took care of me once the booze wore off. Still though, just check my online indicator thingy. I'm usually lurking. I just haven't had anything that wasn't self-depreciating to say for a while so I really didn't want to say anything,

[rabidbadger]

Eric, you are an awesome human being. You are smart and creative and have a million things to live for. Fug the booze, fug the self-hurt shit, you know, I know, Aria knows, we all know, that you are a worthwhile fellow human who can change the world for the better. Through your writing, through your music, through your soul...

Keep grinding through. This is temporary. I swear.

Been there.

Done that.

Made it through.

-Joel

[ericjosepi]

I know it is, man. I really do. It's just hart to dish out good advice to people when you need it yourself, and some how, for some strange reason, people come to me for a shoulder to cry on and a friendly word. Mostly, I'm happy to oblige and to comfort and console but shit... I'm no better than anyone else here.

Since Aria is brave enough to do it, i'm in... 3063378313... this is a dorm number so don't **** the next person who has it ok? (It's a Canada # so throw a 1 in front of it.) I may not be the cheeriest person at 4:00 am but I'm willing to listen.

[rabidbadger]

Don't feel obligated to help others when you are hurting. It can feel good, and you can learn a lot about yourself in the process. But concentrate on YOU. You need you right now...

Don't let anything interfere with that right now. I will do anything to help right now. But you need a good solid headspace for yourself. I don't know if phnone calls will help cause we could spend hours after expensive hours taklking, but maybe you, me and Aria could do the chat thing that I only do every great once in a while...

I'll catch you when you fall, dude.

I will.

[ericjosepi]

And this is why I feel like I should move out east. There's good people there.

[rabidbadger]

there's good people everywhere. In fact most are good. everyone has their foibles that may rub you the wrong way. But very few people wanna go out of their way to hurt others. very few.

You can be anywhere and be cozy as long as you got three good friends, five others who like you, and at least one who loves you. R3O'F equation O' truth.

gotta run out for smokes. back in a bit.

[rabidbadger]

Changed my mind. Just gonna go to bed instead. (maybe)

Boy are we down a rat hole...

[ericjosepi]

Very very far down it...

[rabidbadger]

Very very far down it...

Still, what I said stands, even if I'm petering out for the night. But if you need to talk, you know ... anytime ...

[ariastar]

Very very far down it...

So far down that I don't know what the hell we're supposed to be talking about. :)

[ericjosepi]

Um... Well, december just got let go even though she was willing to work the last 2 weeks.

[decemberfall]

just an update, my dad and i stopped and got lunch today, and said former friend who called me a liar was there, he's such a tool, i just completely ignored him other than telling my dad to say bye to the biggest tool in the area, and he's now officially dead to me, to never exist again.

[ericjosepi]

Youch! THat's pretty hardcore...

[xibalba]

He sounds like a idiot and jerk anyways.

[rabidbadger]

Sounds like he's not worth the effort to even type crap about him here. Joke him if he can't take a fug... dat's what I say.

[xibalba]

Sounds like he's not worth the effort to even type crap about him here. Joke him if he can't take a fug... dat's what I say.

She is too good for him. Needs to not even think about him write about or anything if she see him don't even look his way.

[rabidbadger]

Yep. sounds like that's what she did too. We're just confirming that for her, I guess...

[xibalba]

We guys should take this off topic and talk about how hot she is and stuff. Sounds like a good idea eh?

[decemberfall]

We guys should take this off topic and talk about how hot she is and stuff. Sounds like a good idea eh?
i believe that's a no...

[xibalba]

Awww your no fun :( ;)

[decemberfall]

I woke up this morning and either my allergies are super bad, or I might have pink eye, and because of my job situation I'm not sure if I have insurance right now, so I'm not sure about what I should do. Oh and did i mention i don't have anymore contacts? I was planning on getting my eyes tested in the last 2 weeks working at Carter, but now, I'm no longer working there... so i'm kinda screwed.

and on top of that the screen wasn't working on my laptop. After going to close it to bring it in to test it on my monitor, as soon as i come close to closing it, it finally comes back on and stays on, but I think i might start shutting the laptop down from now on, cause that was a little too scary.

[decemberfall]

oh and i just got an email from my former supervisor and I had ordered something from his daughter for a school fundraiser and asked how I was going to get it, and he said i'd have to stop by his house to pick it up, so that means, i'm not allowed back in my old place of employment, lovely place isn't it?

[acidburn]

I woke up this morning and either my allergies are super bad, or I might have pink eye, and because of my job situation I'm not sure if I have insurance right now, so I'm not sure about what I should do. Oh and did i mention i don't have anymore contacts? I was planning on getting my eyes tested in the last 2 weeks working at Carter, but now, I'm no longer working there... so i'm kinda screwed.

and on top of that the screen wasn't working on my laptop. After going to close it to bring it in to test it on my monitor, as soon as i come close to closing it, it finally comes back on and stays on, but I think i might start shutting the laptop down from now on, cause that was a little too scary.


Contact HR, you should still be able to use your insurance. Resigned or fired you should still be covered.

[decemberfall]

according to the employee handbook if you are terminated your insurance is terminated as of your time of unemployment, but since i paid it this week i think i should still be covered.

[tokenuser]

You are covered ... its a little thing called COBRA (http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq_consumer_cobra.html).

Until your new insurance kicks in, you are entitled to use your existing group medical. When you get your updated medical cards for the new employer, then show them to you doc and they will update your records then (but that could be about a month from now).

Upside is YOU ARE COVERED. Go get your eyes looked at.

If HR say otherwise, then you might like to suggest that they REALLY take a close look at the labour laws before denying you coverage.

[decemberfall]

You are covered ... its a little thing called COBRA (http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq_consumer_cobra.html).

Until your new insurance kicks in, you are entitled to use your existing group medical. When you get your updated medical cards for the new employer, then show them to you doc and they will update your records then (but that could be about a month from now).

Upside is YOU ARE COVERED. Go get your eyes looked at.

If HR say otherwise, then you might like to suggest that they REALLY take a close look at the labour laws before denying you coverage.
Thanks Token, that makes me feel better, especially since I'm still waiting on the test results from the doctor too. So i may have to get more medicine.

[decemberfall]

and the good times keep rolling, ran over to wal-mart and they don't have a doctor in for their vision center on Sunday, apparently no one does, so that means I will have to go to tomorrow, which means I need to call my new boss and tell her I can't start tomorrow... I swear if I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all...

[ariastar]

Um... Well, december just got let go even though she was willing to work the last 2 weeks.

I was being sarcastic. :)

[ariastar]

You are covered ... its a little thing called COBRA (http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq_consumer_cobra.html).

Until your new insurance kicks in, you are entitled to use your existing group medical. When you get your updated medical cards for the new employer, then show them to you doc and they will update your records then (but that could be about a month from now).

Upside is YOU ARE COVERED. Go get your eyes looked at.

If HR say otherwise, then you might like to suggest that they REALLY take a close look at the labour laws before denying you coverage.


COBRA can be extremely expensive though. Sometimes private coverage is cheaper.

[tokenuser]

COBRA can be extremely expensive though. Sometimes private coverage is cheaper.Yes, but it does guarantee continuous coverage at the rates negotiated by the company for group insurance; so no gaps, no pre-qualify wait periods for existing conditions, etc.

[rabidbadger]

It's great that it is there as stopgap between job changes, but if it's all you got for a long period of unemployment it is stupidly expensive.

/thoughts of making this a rant about universal medical insurance like most other civilized nations have.

[ariastar]

It's great that it is there as stopgap between job changes, but if it's all you got for a long period of unemployment it is stupidly expensive.

/thoughts of making this a rant about universal medical insurance like most other civilized nations have.

The ONLY qualm I'd have with universal is that it would include people who choose to spend their time doing drugs rather than working, then making working people pay for the medical care. Otherwise, something does need to be done to ensure that at least all working people and disabled people have at least some sort of coverage.

[tokenuser]

The ONLY qualm I'd have with universal is that it would include people who choose to spend their time doing drugs rather than working, then making working people pay for the medical care. Otherwise, something does need to be done to ensure that at least all working people and disabled people have at least some sort of coverage.Universal health care is universal - it means that there are no restrictions on who gets serviced.

Of course "supplemental" insurance ensures that you can get bumped up the queue or go to a private hospital if need be as well ;)

To be honest, I have no problem with anyone getting health care. A hospital can't turn a patient away - and that is why the ER is filled with uninsured people there for a runny nose. When I was rushed in on a Saturday night (traditional OD, fight night in the ER - even in a college town), I got bumped to the top of the queue because I had kidney stones, and knew what was going on. That was a US hospital (and of course they verified my insurance first). Back in Australia (with universal health, and supplemental insurance) I was rushed mid week to an inner city hospital, where they didn't believe that I was passing kidney stones (WTF! I just passed out in the bathroom passing the bastard, falling through the plasterboard wall as I collapsed) and instead thought I was tweaking on something (apparently there is a drug OD that has the same symptoms) - and needed to "observe" me until they were certain I wasn't on something and just wanted a heavy does of muscle relaxant and pain mitigation.

So, even in a country with universal coverage, you get screwed sometimes.

[ariastar]

Universal health care is universal - it means that there are no restrictions on who gets serviced.

Of course "supplemental" insurance ensures that you can get bumped up the queue or go to a private hospital if need be as well ;)

To be honest, I have no problem with anyone getting health care. A hospital can't turn a patient away - and that is why the ER is filled with uninsured people there for a runny nose. When I was rushed in on a Saturday night (traditional OD, fight night in the ER - even in a college town), I got bumped to the top of the queue because I had kidney stones, and knew what was going on. That was a US hospital (and of course they verified my insurance first). Back in Australia (with universal health, and supplemental insurance) I was rushed mid week to an inner city hospital, where they didn't believe that I was passing kidney stones (WTF! I just passed out in the bathroom passing the bastard, falling through the plasterboard wall as I collapsed) and instead thought I was tweaking on something (apparently there is a drug OD that has the same symptoms) - and needed to "observe" me until they were certain I wasn't on something and just wanted a heavy does of muscle relaxant and pain mitigation.

So, even in a country with universal coverage, you get screwed sometimes.

I do NOT like the idea of people who don't want to contribute to anything getting everything. That's like Communism. No, wait - in Communist countries, you get thrown in jail if you don't work and are able-bodied.

I especially hate that my aunts and cousins all get free health care because the won't work when I have to pay out the nose to be covered because I have a job. I know many people who work and can't afford insurance, and many who don't but are covered by the government because their income is zero. Those falling through the cracks are the working class. Universal would benefit workers most right now.

[decemberfall]

well i just went to the doctor this morning and found out I DO NOT have medical insurance. They canceled my insurance on Friday when i was "terminated" (they have it that i was terminated and not that i resigned, which also means they will not pay me my vacation that I was due) They said I should get my COBRA information in the mail in a couple weeks and once I get that if I elect to sign up for it, then they will retroactively pay for these last couple weeks, but if I don't sign up for COBRA, I am actually without insurance until my new jobs insurance covers.

[tokenuser]

well i just went to the doctor this morning and found out I DO NOT have medical insurance. They canceled my insurance on Friday when i was "terminated" (they have it that i was terminated and not that i resigned, which also means they will not pay me my vacation that I was due) They said I should get my COBRA information in the mail in a couple weeks and once I get that if I elect to sign up for it, then they will retroactively pay for these last couple weeks, but if I don't sign up for COBRA, I am actually without insurance until my new jobs insurance covers.Wow - you got seriously screwed. What a way to start the day.

[decemberfall]

okay, things are starting to look up, starting my new job tomorrow, they think the insurance starts in 30 days (so i wouldn't have to be on COBRA or gap insurance long) and I got a call from the doctor, my test results came back fine, so no further medicine! I just put my first dose of drops in my eyes and they are feeling a little better, so I think things are going to be better now!

[acidburn]

That's good that the news that the new coverage will kick in in 30 days. You still may want to consider the COBRA to stay covered in the interim.

Glad to hear your eyes are feeling better. Good luck with the new job.

[popltree2]

okay, things are starting to look up, starting my new job tomorrow, they think the insurance starts in 30 days (so i wouldn't have to be on COBRA or gap insurance long) and I got a call from the doctor, my test results came back fine, so no further medicine! I just put my first dose of drops in my eyes and they are feeling a little better, so I think things are going to be better now!

Awesome news! Let us know if we can do anything to help you out and good luck on the new job. We are all eager to hear how it goes.