Doctor Whovians, Unite! ** SPOILERS **

[Cirdan]

lol yeah some aspects of it demeaned me to turn off my logic matrix, but all things considered the show did rock I loved how the Sontarans started to chant and the music picked up very well done, is it just me or does this show hardly have a bad episode? I mean look at LOST,BSG they are all good shows but they have a few episodes that just leave ya with nothing. I have yet to experience that with Doctor Who :D

[wideawakewesley]

Loved this week's episode, best of the series so far, which has shocked me considering it has Martha and Donna in it!

Sontarans rock!

Wes

[wideawakewesley]

Bloody hell, the Doctor's got a daughter and she's hot!

The 2nd part of that Sontaran episode was cracking and the trailer for the next episode was even better!

Wes

[Rokov]

Well, the first Doctor's companion was his granddaughter, so it stands to reason that he has kids out there somewhere.:p
Haven't seen the ep. yet, still waiting for it to hit the torrent sites.

[icapants]

Bloody hell, the Doctor's got a daughter and she's hot!

The 2nd part of that Sontaran episode was cracking and the trailer for the next episode was even better!

Wes

And she's played by.... The (5th) Doctor's Daughter!


For some reason, I'm not really into the stories that they've done so far this year. I'm even a bit wary of the whole daughter thing, but it could be really good.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

No one caught who was silently screaming on the TARDIS' monitor right before the Doctor cut in?

No one?

[Rokov]

No one caught who was silently screaming on the TARDIS' monitor right before the Doctor cut in?

No one?

Didn't notice her the fist time so I just watched that part again, nice catch. :D
It looked like she might have been screaming "Doctor!", maybe trying to contact him.

[Brumjo]

I enjoyed this latest two parter, when I saw last weeks episode the voice of the lead Sontaran was familiar, after a few mins it clicked, it was the guy who played Mike in the classic Young Ones :)

[wideawakewesley]

No one caught who was silently screaming on the TARDIS' monitor right before the Doctor cut in?

No one?

Yep, I noticed.

[peterhorner]

Yep, I noticed.

I noticed too.

Great episode last night. Classic. Next weeks "The Doctors Daughter" looks awesome.

[wideawakewesley]

Also, is it just me or does the effects budget look like it's been increased? The Sontaran makeup and armour were fantastic!

:)

Wes

[Brumjo]

Bloody hell, the Doctor's got a daughter and she's hot!

Wes

Turns out she's the real life daughter of the 5th doctor, Peter Davison. I wonder if they'll work that into the script as she was born during his time as the doctor.

[keithnl]

Looks like the Doctors Daughter might be gay, definately looked like she snogged a chick through some bars during that clip. Probably some variety of sexual ominvore like Captain Jack.

Anywho Im guessing clone, just to simplify things. Anyone else notice the bubbling hand, I think it'll be nice for the doctor to have multiple companions again for awhile.

I honestly though boy genius was gonna join the team sort of a modern day Adric, it be a nice change to give the doctor a companion that no one likes not even the Doctor.

[Godlesswanderer]

Looks like the Doctors Daughter might be gay, definately looked like she snogged a chick through some bars during that clip. Probably some variety of sexual ominvore like Captain Jack.

It looked like a guy to me. He/She looked very similar to Joe Dempsie (Chris in Skins).

[wideawakewesley]

It looked like a guy to me. He/She looked very similar to Joe Dempsie (Chris in Skins).

Correct, it was Chris from Skins.

Also, latest episode, utter crap, save for being Catherine Tate's least annoying performance.

Other Who news:

Doctor Who guru Davies steps down
Russell T Davies is to step down as executive producer of Doctor Who, the BBC has announced.

Davies is credited with breathing new life into the show which he brought back to television screens in 2005.

Bafta-winning writer Steven Moffat will succeed Davies as lead writer and executive producer of the fifth series of Doctor Who.

Moffat said that the whole of his career had been "a secret plan to get this job".


DAVIES' CAREER HIGHLIGHTS
Children's Ward (1993-1995)
Touching Evil (1997)
Queer As Folk (1999)
Casanova (2005)
Doctor Who (2005-2008)
Torchwood (2006-2008)

BBC Fiction controller Jane Tranter said the past four series of Doctor Who had been "brilliantly helmed" by the "spectacularly talented" Davies.
"As lead writer and executive producer, he has overseen the creative direction and detail of the 21st century re-launch of Doctor Who and we are delighted to have his continued presence on the specials over the next 18 months," she added.

Davies will remain in charge of four specials to be shown in 2009.

The fifth series, with Moffat at the helm, is scheduled to be broadcast on BBC One in Spring 2010.

Moffat has already written some of the most memorable Doctor Who episodes of recent times, including The Girl in the Fireplace and The Empty Child.


MOFFAT'S CAREER HIGHLIGHTS
Press Gang (1989)
Coupling (2000)
Jekyll (2007)
Doctor Who (2005 onwards )
Tintin (2008 onwards)

Earlier this month, he picked up the best writer Bafta for the Blink episode of series three which featured terrifying weeping angels.

Moffat said: "I applied before but I got knocked back 'cos the BBC wanted someone else. Also I was seven.

"Anyway, I'm glad the BBC has finally seen the light and it's a huge honour to be following Russell into the best - and the toughest - job in television.

"I say toughest 'cos Russell's at my window right now, pointing and laughing."

Doctor Who's return after a 16-year break from the screen received praise from critics and fans alike.

Speaking after the first series of the revamped show in 2005 - which starred Christopher Eccleston as the Time Lord - Davies said Doctor Who had been in desperate need of regeneration.


I applied before but I got knocked back 'cos the BBC wanted someone else. Also I was seven
Steven Moffat

"I love Doctor Who and I love the old Doctor Who," he said.

"But, even with all that love, you have to admit that the name of the programme had become a joke and its reputation had become a cheap joke at that - you know, rubber monsters and shaky sets."

He added: "It's been everything we planned and more, and it's very rarely in life you get the chance to have that happen."

The programme, complete with time machine the Tardis, originally ran from 1963 to 1989.

In that time, the lead role was played by eight different actors with writers taken advantage of the Doctor's ability to regenerate his body.

Eccleston and current Time Lord David Tennant take that number to 10.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7411177.stm

[icapants]

I am beyond excited that Moffat is taking over the series. His episodes always end up being my favorites (or at the very least, really really good.)


Also, Eurovision? SERIOUSLY? :(

[wideawakewesley]

I am beyond excited that Moffat is taking over the series. His episodes always end up being my favorites (or at the very least, really really good.)

Also, Eurovision? SERIOUSLY? :(

Don't diss Eurovision, it's wicked if you get a load of friends together and make a party out of it. I'm going to just that kind of party on Saturday!

:D

Wes

[4fingers]

In other Steven Moffat related news I just checked on the wiki that the next two episodes will be written by him.
I loved Blink and the The Girl in the Fireplace so I am looking forward to the next episodes.

[4fingers]

The episode that was meant to be shown on Saturday 24th was canceld due to erovision. Instead they seemed to have released a special preview of what's to come from the rest of Doctor Who Series 4.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPqlscQ-LI
Which looks really exciting and can't wait.

[gobo]

Damn it, not available in Canada

[neverendingwhitelights]

I'm debating possibly catching up to this for this summer. I watched a few episodes a while back and it put me at unease. I knew there was all this backstory and possible things I wasn't getting or understanding, and only saw like 3 episodes maybe, the one with that planet about to die was the last one I think I saw.

I enjoyed what I saw pretty decently, it just was offputting to me. Is there anything anyone can say that will get me to watch it? Does it get better or what?

(I'm talking about the relaunched version of course)

[wideawakewesley]

Damn Stephen Moffat is a bloody good writer. The last Dr. Who episode was awesome!

Wes

[Rokov]

Next to Blink, this was probably my favorite episode so far. I just can't wait to see how it all wraps up.

[satori]

oh, if only Donna Noble would stay saved

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

I looooooooooooooooo (gasp) oooooooved it.

Everything about it! I watched it twice! The security camera! The scroll work of the banisters and the rug in the girl's house! Everything!

[satori]

it was obvious that the set people had just played bio-shock.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

it was obvious that the set people had just played bio-shock.

or... gone to a library.

[satori]

or... gone to a library.

not only did they use the same cross of Deco with Nouveau flairs, but they also used the same font. I'd love to see all of the local library buildings to you that look like this.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

I guess I'm just lucky, but my local library the local college and the new satellite library across town all have the same hardwood and bookshelf decor.... I'm sorry but when I saw it I didn't go "Bioshock!"... maybe it was all the books.

[mikecosentino]

It was a great episode, and I can't wait for the second part.

While I enjoy every Doctor Who episode, I find myself enjoy the more-sci-fi ones a lot more than the Agatha Christie type episodes.

[satori]

I guess I'm just lucky, but my local library the local college and the new satellite library across town all have the same hardwood and bookshelf decor.... I'm sorry but when I saw it I didn't go "Bioshock!"... maybe it was all the books.

and that's cool... but can you link me to pics of these library buildings? I'm a huge fan of both design styles and I'd love to see these places. The early 90s was the closest I saw of a come back to this design style.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Wow.

Moffat is a freaking genius.

Bringing back the "everybody lives" line from the first season was so perfect. I got shivers all over again. I'll just paraphrase (butcher) and I don't know the exact episode but it was the one with the boy with the gas mask and at the end the doctor is saving everyone and says something to the point of: "Just this once Rose, everybody lives..."

The last 4 minutes "...one last run..." and all that just made me get that "humpf" at the pit of my stomach.... She knew is name and... and... wow... this is my favorite show, frack BSG....


/finger snap

[kaysindre]

Doctor Who is simply brilliant!

I love everything about it, from the smiles the doctors have when they say "Brilliant!" to the stories that these writers come up with ;)

*going to see the next episode*

[RickFedor]

The Library was definitely an amazing episode(s)... "I'm The Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe... look me up"

[kaysindre]

Omg! That end was just the best ever.

What an END!

"IM VERY GOOD!!"

[4fingers]

Great episode there and something to look forward to:
http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/primetime/doctor_who_4
Details of the final three episodes of series four are being kept under wraps, with creator Russell T Davies offering just a hint of what's in store for our time-travelling hero. "We've got a huge climax to series four planned," he says. "People were saying: 'I can't believe you've done that'!"
I just can't wait.

[icapants]

Right so, Turn Left? Who else has a broken brain? The last five minutes killed me.

[Rokov]

When Rose showed up earlier this season, I had a feeling that Bad Wolf was going to be back. Great episode, I can't wait for next week.:D

[gobo]

I think this has been my favourite season of Dr. Who, man I've loved every episode!

[dr-nix]

I 4x11 was great, can't wait for the season finale. Seems that it will be a crossover (Torchwood & Sara Jane Chronicles (or whatever that series is called))

[ZombiErin]

May I be the first to say

HOLY CRAP

:eek::eek:

[icapants]

There are not adequate words or emoticons to express how I'm feeling right now.

Esentially: AOIFWPOEIRUWPOIIUWTFOMGBBQ?!?!?

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

I'm kind of let down by the whole thing...

**Spoilers, Obviously!**

I'm sorry guys I'm trying really hard to not be "that guy" but I just... well I just don't care about this story. Rose coming back, Martha being all milliant (what does a medical doctor know about teleportation?) aliens stealing the earth right out from the Doctor's nose - literally. (Darleks... again? Really?) Donna being "special" but nothing at all this season showing that she is except a weird drumming (Sam Tyler eh?) in her head...

It all seemed rushed to me, and I don't mean like I wanted the story to be more drawn out at all, it anything parts of it seemed to take forever for anything to happen, but when it did it was all a blur with no style or anything. It was so uneven... so... bad.

(Interstellar bees? You're just gonna throw that at us? Whut?)

I want to like this finale I really do... but its not very good.

[icapants]

I want to like this finale I really do... but its not very good.

There actually seem to be a lot of people who feel the same way as you. And honestly I think the thing that will really make or break it is how next weeks episode plays out. This episode was a whole lot of setup and not a lot of substance. It's an episode that can't stand on it's own.

Unless you're like me have been waiting for weeks for the Doctor and Rose to reunite, and really don't care about the Earth being stolen and the thing on Donna's back and the freaking Daleks. (Who have been overused, yes, but their appearances have all made sense. Except for the whole Daleks in New York thing. That was just bad.)

[Rokov]

*******Spoilers********Spoilers********Spoilers*** *****

That was amazing. I loved all of the references to previous episodes and was actually cheering aloud when Harriet Jones showed up. The fact that he's now a fugitive from The Shadow Proclamation will give them some great fodder for the next series. I also had a feeling that Donna's loss was going to be The Doctor's next regeneration since David Tennant has said that this would be his last series. I was going to say that my only complaint was that Mickey didn't come back, but I just read that he'll be in the series finale. Does anyone know who the next Dr. is going to be? (here's hoping for Richard Coyle)

[RickFedor]

*Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers*



It will be interesting to see how this finale plays out... I do agree at the moment it seems like they are taking a kitchen sink approach to fan service, but I have faith. I believe that Tennant is contracted for a series of Doctor Who specials during 2009 so it'll be interesting to see how this regeneration resolves itself. Also... Davros's line of "I have my children Doctor, what do you have" leads me to believe that the Doctor's daughter is going to be popping up again.

[tehBoris]

Doctor who is playing too much towards the kids. The mobile phone thing anoyed me.

[icapants]

*Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers* *Spoilers*



It will be interesting to see how this finale plays out... I do agree at the moment it seems like they are taking a kitchen sink approach to fan service, but I have faith. I believe that Tennant is contracted for a series of Doctor Who specials during 2009 so it'll be interesting to see how this regeneration resolves itself. Also... Davros's line of "I have my children Doctor, what do you have" leads me to believe that the Doctor's daughter is going to be popping up again.


Yes, there have been set reports of Tennant filming the specials.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

According to Mr Wiki, he's said he's sticking around...

That been said, I know I'm not making a friends when I say this but...

I hope he leaves the show.

Don't! Don't shoot!'

I have such a man crush on David, I really do! I'd love to see him become a huge star but I think if he sticks with Doctor Who that'll never happen. I'm fine with that... but... well... you get what I'm saying right?

Carry on...

[bakhox]

Can't. Find. Words.

Should. Have. Sent. A. Poet.

[Cirdan]

I hope they don't replace david Tennant, to me he is the Doctor, funny and witty. As for this episode I agree it was alot of setup but not substance. I do like the fact that Davros is back, and yes the Daleks have been over used but come on they were the doctors main enemy back in the original series; What I would love though is to see the time war and get a little bit more information from it, like "how do you fight a time war?" Also come on TRS do a review of this show!! Alex has stated a few times on the show that he watches it. Come on Alex do the whovians a favor and review the show!

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Okay the second half of the finale was... better.

But now I feel kind of pissed, I mean the whole regeneration thing was just a big publicity stunt and I find that to be pretty piss poor writing. I mean I'm all for cliff hangers and drama but... that was just poor taste.

Goods:

Mickey.

I hope he's on Torchwood, I really do.

Doctor Donna.

That was such a hoot to watch they should of had her stick around like that for a bit. Through the specials or something... having her be as smart as him but a bit more clever was awesome.

Doctor Two

Good idea, but shaky writing to get him. Glad he saved the Tardis and all but I was still a bit bitter about the whole cliffhanger/regeneration crap to really like him. Love the idea of a darker Doctor though...

Rose:

She gets her Doctor, and gets to live happily ever after... until the season finale of series 90 when they SHE'S BACK even more kick ass as ever! Or she's the villain... or... something else that's suppose to be shocking but been done a millions times before.


Bads:

Darleks.

Time for them to get some new bad guys. I just can't take them seriously anymore.

Donna "Dying"

Stupid. Pointless. They found away around the Doctor dying from a "exterminate!" ray, but there's no cure for someone being super smart other than wiping her mind? Sorry. I just can't let myself get behind that. They had 3 people as smart as the Doctor, they could drag the entire earth back home, but finding a way to keep Doctor Donna without undoing her entire life... blah... I'm just bitter. At least Martha left because of her own free will, the Doctor just dropping her off on her family seemed... well... dumb. And he does it with a Vulcan mind meld? I felt like they were just phoning in an epilogue...

All and all, it was good, better that the first half. But I still found it cheesy and subpar at times. Still a fan, looking forward to Christmas... well kind of... I mean its another rehash of old baddies. The whole "you wiped them out before, but now they're back worst than EVAAAAARRR!" approach to Doctor Who is getting a bit predictable and boring to me, but I love it still.

Am I being too critical? Am I alone with my thoughts? Anyone agree?

[giggleloop]

I am glad that Rose got her "Doctor" (wonder if he'll go by John Smith in that universe?), but it didn't resonate with me as much as the end of "Doomsday" did, and that saddens me. Although I was still teary, don't get me wrong.

Donna's ending just absolutely broke my heart. SO unfair. :(

I wonder if Jack'll invite Martha AND Mickey to Torchwood now...?

How awesome that the Doctor asked Gwen about the Cardiff family connection?! I just noticed that again the other day that 'Gwyneth Cooper' was the girl in the Dickens episode -- awesome continuity. Too bad they can't mention that Tosh was in the Aliens Over London episode. *sniffle*

Sooo.... did anyone see the Christmas teaser after the credits?! I couldn't believe that! Everything I've heard has been that there would be no new Who or Torchwood until 2010! (That is, until they announced the whole 5 episode upcoming season of Torchwood) But I guess they think that Christmas episodes don't count? Also, Cybermen? Really? Again? Talk about needing some new villains. Geez.

[icapants]

Sooo.... did anyone see the Christmas teaser after the credits?! I couldn't believe that! Everything I've heard has been that there would be no new Who or Torchwood until 2010! (That is, until they announced the whole 5 episode upcoming season of Torchwood) But I guess they think that Christmas episodes don't count? Also, Cybermen? Really? Again? Talk about needing some new villains. Geez.

They're supposed to be doing a couple Who specials next year... four of them I think.

[wideawakewesley]

They're supposed to be doing a couple Who specials next year... four of them I think.

Correct, we get the usual crappy Christmas special and then four longer special episodes, think TV movies.

Chiming in on the finale, I thought it rocked. It was cheesy as hell, but better than the first half. However the best thing that could ever happen to Dr. Who happened in that episode, Donna is gone! Not dead unfortunately, but thankfully not his companion anymore!

Now can we please have some talented acting eye candy to take her place.

Wes

[Rokov]

Overall, I was pretty disappointed by the finale. I was hoping for a new Doctor (nothing against Tennant, but it's long past time for some new blood), the whole multiple doctors thing was way too deus ex machina for my tastes and as soon as Davros said that one of them was still going to 'die' I knew that it was going to be Donna since keeping her around in that state would have been horribly redundant. I was also hoping for more of The Shadow Proclamation, since they went to the trouble of showing them last time.
On the positive side. I did like was how Davros showed The Doctor his true nature and that they finally explained why he's called The Destroyer of Worlds. Hopefully this really is the last we see of the Daleks. I'm all for fan service, but it was getting a bit ridiculous.
Btw, I wonder if that 'regeneration' counts as one of his 12.

[gobo]

That was wonderful and I'll miss Donna terribly, I think she was a great companion!

It was heartbreaking seeing Rose have to leave again, seeing Donna back to how she was and seeing the Doctor alone again (albeit certainly temporarily)

I'm sure Mickey and Martha are going to be joining Torchwood which is awesome in my books. I hope we see more development about the archaeologist from this season in the upcoming specials and/or next season.

All in all, wonderful and brought me to tears. It goes to show you don't need amazing special effects to tell a compelling science fiction story, good writing overcomes any cheesy effects.

[Mier]

I was luke warm on this episode as well. It was sad to see Donna lose it all but she was a weak version of Bad Wolf Rose so the Doctor didn't have regenerate.

I hope Tennant stays on for at least 1 more full season then they'll have to figure out how to "reset" his regenerations or get that guy to sign a multi-year contract to play the Doctor.

What I really didn't like was this pacifist preachy shit they keep throwing in. We've tried that thing of placating it in our past and it didn't work out too well. The likes of Davros and the Cybermen are evil without remorse, there is one judgment for them and it must be carried out. I liked that this "other Doctor" killed all the Daleks I hope Davies can keep them in the grave because it would really turn me off to see them back AGAIN. Hell the Rani is unaccounted for dig her butt up and throw her in.

How many of you think Rose will still pine for the original Doctor? I saw that as viciously bittersweet. I try and picture the two of them in their own parallel universe righting wrongs and solving mysteries on Earth, but that's the romantic in me.

[OwlBoy]

Long live The Doctor-Donna :(

[Mier]

Long live The Doctor-Donna :(

Actually I bet we see her again. Dalek Conn said "One will still die." Now I'm sure everyone took it to be Donna when she had her memories removed. But I bet it's more literal than that. Some future episode Donna will be brought back when the Doctor is incapacitated and they'll activate her memories, solve the problem and then she dies. Of course, at that moment we get another gloomy shot of the Doctor being told the bad news.

[satori]

I was watching my old 1965 Peter Cushing version of "Doctor: Who Invasion Earth 2150" Video Tape and suddenly realized that Donna's father is played by Bernard Cribbins who was also in Invasion Earth playing the part of Tom Campbell the Bobby. WOW!!!! I so wish they could of made him a companion at the end of the new series, even for one ep would of been great.

what a great ep. I'm honestly a little sad that Donna was killed off after they finally fixed her character. I mean the reason I found her so annoying was that she was just an idiot. Actually giving her a brain made her 100 % better

[applie]

I agree with those who said the 'regeneration' was cheap. Although watching Dr. Who Confidential last week, I got the impression from RTD there wasn't going to be a new doctor. Also the advertising for the show didn't say "Tune in Saturday to find out who the new doctor will be".

Donna's farewell was well done, IMO. Unlike a lot of people, I enjoyed the fact she wasn't Rose-lite (read Martha), and wasn't swooning over the doctor all the time. I also liked the way her arc played out over this season finishing with her being able to use everything she learnt from the doctor and her experience to save reality.
I also liked the way Davros showed the doctor his soul. Dr. Who works best, IMO, when the enemies point out the Doctor's frailties and failings. And we saw them beautifully reflected in all his companions over the 2-parter.
The only bad thing was the extra doctor, which I didn't buy from beginning to end. He came alive, he was like Donna for a bit, then they forgot about that. Then he saves the universe and did what the Doctor would have done without Rose (really?! - have we ANY evidence for this). It just seemed like a tired way to write themselves out of a hole. (i.e. how can Rose not be in the show anymore, since she'd never leave the doctor?) I think it would have been better just to kill her outright, or else give her a reason to go back to that universe. Oh and where was her father in all this? - not even mentioned once!

[wideawakewesley]

Apparently, the odds on favourite to be the new Doctor is now David Morrissey, who has been confirmed as starring in the 2008 Christmas Special:

http://www.eyeofhorus.org.uk/images/photo/10tennant/series-05/christmas-special/david-morrissey-railings.jpg

I'm not convinced myself, I'm sure I've read that Tennant will feature in at least some of the TV specials next year.

[4fingers]

I'm not convinced myself, I'm sure I've read that Tennant will feature in at least some of the TV specials next year.
http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/news/3612
[David Tennant] will star in a Doctor Who Christmas special this year and another three specials next year, but is not confirmed for the next series in 2010.
Also 47% of everyone with a tv in the UK thats 9.8 million people watched the series finale.

[Mier]

So Tennant is going to play Hamlet next year and maybe decide on coming back. I wonder if during the final dueling scene when mom drinks the poison and all that back and forth we'll get that "WHAT! What? WHAT! What" going.

[nshady]

Holy crap! Finale just aired in Australia... wow.

I loved the episode. I can understand how some people can see it as a fan service/kitchen sink thing, but it didn't bother me at all. I never had a problem with Donna at all - really couldn't get into the Catherine Tate show, but thought she was a great actor. One loose end - who was controlling Davros? If he was a pet, who was the owner? That, and the Shadow Proclamation, are some good starting points for the fifth season. I hope his daughter doesn't make a return, though.

God, it's so bitterly heartbreaking. Rose has a Doctor but not the Doctor. Much worse is Donna's fate, though. She gets nothing. She will never remember anything that happened to her, live an okay life, never accomplish anything else. Terrible (in a good way).

Wow.

I'll miss Donna, I really will.

Good news is that Steven Moffat is awesome and will no doubt do an amazing job at running the show in 2010.

[aerodash84]

Not sure if anyone in the Chicago area is going but there is a bit of a Doctor Who convention going on in November. I already have a ticket for the Saturday. Just wanted to mention in case anyone in the IL area might be interested. Here is their store link http://www.alienentertainmentstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=A&Category_Code=DWS and I'm sure if you contact them they can give you the details as well. I just heard about it through their display at Chicago Wizard World and wanted to share.

[wideawakewesley]

Bugger, David Tennant has quit Dr. Who...only four more Tennant episodes left http://is.gd/59Ol

Wes

[boldfire]

Shame he made a good Doctor. But as he said in that interview it's about the right time to move on for his career and to keep the show fresh. I think if David Morresey is infact Time Lord and not just a red herring they are perhaps 'testing the water' and see how he goes down with the audience.

But they always cast the Doctor very well and the character is very flexible which is one of the things that makes the programme so great.

[SirPopey]

I think it'll be a good thing for the show, though Tennant has been one of the best Doctors I think Steven Moffat deserves a new actor to build stories with and not RTD's left overs.

It is a shame though.

[joeyrock]

Just saw tenant make the announcement one the awards show, (luckily it was before the Simon Cowel dick sucking, otherwise I would have switched over and missed it)

I think it was fairly obvious he was out. They had alluded to it a few times. Is David Morrissey is going to be the new one? He's on Mark Kermode's film podcast and they've questioned him about it. He was cagey then. He's a great actor with loads of presence. I'm sure he would make a good doctor. Much more serious than the last two. Which is a very good thing I think.

Since there are four episodes and he's in the first one, then it might be that he gets a try out for this christmas episode. Or maybe Tennant goes into his own future and meets a future self a good time before he regenerates. They've never done that, it would be a cool introduction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-561218/David-Morrissey-star-Doctor-Who-Christmas-special-featuring-deadly-Cybermen.html

[aerodash84]

Sad to hear but I think he did it for all the right reasons.

[nshady]

Well that sucks.

[Rokov]

Tennant sai from the beginning that he was only going to do two series, so I'm not surprised. I'm not familiar with David Morrissey's work (I was hoping Richard Coyle would be the next Doctor), but hopefully he'll do well.

[terryscss]

so this means that he'll still be around for the three specials, right? so it probably won't be clear what's going on until the end of the spring.

[pl8to]

Check out this story from IGN: http://tv.ign.com/articles/925/925449p1.html

Looks like Tennant will be doing the movies, and the writers are determined to make them an incredible farewell. I think that's very appropriate - he's been an amazing doctor and he deserves a big sendoff.

The article mentions James Nesbitt as a frontrunner, which would blow my friggin mind! Doctor Hyde anyone! That could blow my mind!

Bizarrely, they also mention the actor who played the Master as a contender. How would that work? Do Time Lords only have a few dozen human forms and they eventually overlap?

[ZombiErin]

Bill Bailey for elevensies!

[nshady]

James Nesbitt would be amaaaazing.

[straylightrise]

Me wanty David Morrissey!

Go check out State of Play if you want to know why he should be the next Doctor!

[wideawakewesley]

The frontrunners to be the next Dr. Who:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7699513.stm

Wes

[nshady]

I couldn't see Tovey as the Doctor. He did a decent job in the Voyage of the Damned episode, but he doesn't seem to have the necessary charisma for the role. James McAvoy was a good one I hadn't thought of, but my top pick would still be Nesbitt even if he's supposedly not interested. Simon Pegg might be able to pull it off too. I'd like to see him playing a more serious role, but then again he's already been a (admitedly minor) villain in the show already. And what's with all the John Simm suggestions, that just seems stupid.

[straylightrise]

I think that Moffat will pick a good Doctor and have some absolutely amazing writing. I have full faith in the Doctor Who crew. They have done a great job. I know they will do good with these specials. I hope that David Tennant returns to TV and movies soon.

I just don't think anyone who has been on the show will be chosen to be the Doctor - Moffat has been very good on plot continuity when he writes episodes so having an actor come back to play the Doctor when the audience has already seen them as another character would be off-putting.

Yes Martha was in the Second Series but again - RTD was writing then and he's always been a bit odd.

[nshady]

Yes Martha was in the Second Series but again - RTD was writing then and he's always been a bit odd.

I had to laugh in the finale when they explained it by saying that there's a generational genetic imprint or something that meant she looked exactly the same as the character in the Victorian era.

[tokenuser]

Doctor Who could be a woman, says David Tennant (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24599085-23109,00.html)

[4fingers]

Doctor Who Christmas Special 2008 Preview
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5NYRO-q4GTM

This should work if you live outside the UK
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q3tEK20uluw

[nshady]

Not long to wait now!

[joeyrock]

Hmmmmmm I'm starting to think David Morrissey is a double bluff.

[wideawakewesley]

Hmmmmmm I'm starting to think David Morrissey is a double bluff.

Yeah, I don't think it's him.

Wes

[terryscss]

so a little off topic, but has any of you Brits out there seen Tennant in Hamlet, I'm guessing it has to be amazing, but I'd love to hear it from one of you guys.

[straylightrise]

yea it is a bluff - the Doctor primarily doesn't advertise to random people that he's a Time Lord. I would believe that Morrissey is a brainwashed Companion or something like that. However:

HOLY MOLEY THAT WAS AN AWESOME CLIP!

[satori]

wow, if that's a bluff then I don't get the point.

As an aside, I wish the BBC would make a greater effort to sell the special so it was aired in the same general time as it's released in the UK, rather than push us to torrent it.

[tokenuser]

yea it is a bluff - the Doctor primarily doesn't advertise to random people that he's a Time Lord. I would believe that Morrissey is a brainwashed Companion or something like that. However:

HOLY MOLEY THAT WAS AN AWESOME CLIP!Time Lords also detect other Time Lords ... provided their presence isn't masked ... and someone announcing that they are a Time Lord means they probably aren't masking thier presence.

It is odd. I wonder who wrote the episode?

[4fingers]

Time Lords also detect other Time Lords ... provided their presence isn't masked ... and someone announcing that they are a Time Lord means they probably aren't masking thier presence.

It is odd. I wonder who wrote the episode?
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_Doctor) Russell T Davies himself

[ZombiErin]

The 11th Doctor is going to be announced tomorrow!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/news/090102_news_01

[joeyrock]

Place your bets then... I think it's going to be Johnson from Peep Show. A black Doctor....

[satori]

why oh why could I of not read this tomorrow. I'm never going to get to sleep tonight now, it's like Christmas all over again.

[nshady]

When I wake up tomorrow morning it will have been announced... yay!

[tokenuser]

WTF? Ashton "Where's my TARDIS" Kutcher??

I guess the BBC decided that the Doctor didn't need to be from the UK to be a Time Lord.

[joeyrock]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpYWy89yVU

[Murphy1d]

WTF? Ashton "Where's my TARDIS" Kutcher??

I guess the BBC decided that the Doctor didn't need to be from the UK to be a Time Lord.

You're not serious, are you? I don't watch Doctor Who, but even I would be scratching my head saying WTF???

[satori]

I loved him in Jekyll and Hyperdrive I think Paterson Joseph is a great choice.

[joeyrock]

It's not Paterson Joseph...

It's a 26 year old nobody called Matt Smith... not a pretty boy like what's his face from Robin Hood, and he seems quite a good actor. Hmmmmm, we have a year to wait any way. He'll be older then.

[wideawakewesley]

From what I remember of Matt Smith, he was quite good in the BBC adaptation of Phillip Pullman's Ruby and the Smoke:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/medialibrary/images/home-promo/topmain/eleventh_doctor_2.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/news/latest/090103_news_01

Wes

[satori]

It's not Paterson Joseph...

It's a 26 year old nobody called Matt Smith... not a pretty boy like what's his face from Robin Hood, and he seems quite a good actor. Hmmmmm, we have a year to wait any way. He'll be older then.

by the vid you posted I thought it was him... I have to see something with him in it I suppose. I can't watch Robin Hood for longer than about 5 minutes before it drives me nutty. I find the revisionism a little over the top and not a little awkward.

Also Matt Smith should invest some eye brow toupe action.

[joeyrock]

yeah I posted the video cause I thought it was him.. he would have been a good choice. Alas no.

Some eyebrows would help Matt. He looks a lot like a young Crispin Glover as well. In the Ruby in the Smoke he did quite well, I only watched the first episode of that, but I can remember him in it, so I guess he did well enough to leave a lasting impression.

If RTD had picked him it might have been a bit more worrying, but I trust Steven Moffat enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[ZombiErin]

Colour me intrigued!

[Rokov]

I haven't seen anything he's done and at first I thought he was way too young (then again, I thought the same about David Tennant at first). Now, after seeing him on Confidential, I think he could be quite good. There was a certain sort of geeky eccentricity that he had in the interview segments that I really hope he brings to The Doctor. I'm still a little bummed that it didn't g to Richard Coyle, but given that Steven Moffat is doing the casting, I doubt he'll ever be considered.

[masherscf]

Wow, David was already one of the youngest Doctors ever. I'm not sure if I approve of this tack. But, as they say, the proof will be in the pudding...

[tokenuser]

I am real disappointed that it wasn't Ashton. That would have been an inspired choice.

[satori]

I am real disappointed that it wasn't Ashton. That would have been an inspired choice.
? what ?

[jonnywb]

I can't say that I'm disappointed at anyone not getting the role, I just hope that this new guy's as good as the rest. I Have really enjoyed having David Tennant as the Doctor, but I know it's time for him to move on soon. Just a shame we have to wait a year or so... :/

[satori]

I just heard that people were pushing for Russel Brand to get it, but after that phone call debacle I guess that couldn't happen. Too bad because he's another one that would of been great.

[pl8to]

I don't know how I feel about this - this fella is going to have to rock the socks off the role. I wonder why they went so young? Hoping to keep someone for more than two years? For a role that can easily (and, in fact necessarily) be done by a series of actors, is there a reason not to take a tour of fantastic candidates who may only be able to donate a year? Or even a special? I would have loved to see just one episode with Russell Brand, for instance.

[Rokov]

I wonder why they went so young? Hoping to keep someone for more than two years?

That's a very good possibility. Unless they're going to find a way around the regeneration limit (and jump the shark), there can only be two more Doctors after Matt Smith, so the producers will probably want to keep each of them around as long as possible.

[terryscss]

It really shouldn't be a surprise that he's so young, I mean they seem to be getting younger, Tennant was the youngest doctor before this new guy.

[wideawakewesley]

It really shouldn't be a surprise that he's so young, I mean they seem to be getting younger, Tennant was the youngest doctor before this new guy.

Peter Davidson was 29 when he became the Doctor. So it's no great suprise. I'd love to see them do a really old Doctor sometime, like the original.

Wes

[jonnywb]

hmm yeah, I think an older guy might have been good to have back again, we'll just have to see how this plays out.

...and honestly, I really don't like Russel Brand so I'm glad he didn't get it.

[tokenuser]

hmm yeah, I think an older guy might have been good to have back again, we'll just have to see how this plays out.

...and honestly, I really don't like Russel Brand so I'm glad he didn't get it.Are you thinking Jon Pertwee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Pertwee) old?

I think the current generation of TV viewers demand a more "action hero" Doctor than a "Sherlock Holmes" Doctor. Not saying old guys can't be an action hero, but I think that an older Doctor would slow the pace of the show down.

[AlaskaLoneWolf]

Yeah I disagree too. I think this is an incredible move. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

[jonnywb]

Are you thinking Jon Pertwee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Pertwee) old?

I agree with what you said, so maybe not as old as that, but I'm not really sure... I'm probably just being silly!
I did like David Tennant a lot, so maybe going younger is a good idea. We'll just have to see!

Might have been helpful if I'd seen anything of this new guy's work in the past.
-Not that it helps, after all, I'd never really seen David Tennant much before he appeared on Doctor Who.
-Also a good thing... so im not thinking "yes! it's that guy from.....etc."

I just hope it doesn't start going cheesier than it already is (which isn't actually that cheesy - it's just right if you ask me...) but with all the young actors that we have on British TV who (some of them - I think) can turn anything 'cheesy', I'm just not sure what to expect.

I'm still looking forward to it as ever though!

[joeyrock]

Anyone watch the special? It was okay. Best bit was Michelle Ryan in spandex. Worst bit was the lame ending.

[masherscf]

Anyone watch the special? It was okay. Best bit was Michelle Ryan in spandex. Worst bit was the lame ending.


Lame? Doctor Who has always been a little cheesy like that.

I loved see Michelle Ryan in something that didn't suck. It kinda should the "The Bionic Woman" was a not her fault. After all, she was awesome in "Jekyl."

I'm going to cry like a baby when Tennant hangs up the old Sonic Screwdriver. But, four years is about the average tenure for Doctor Who incarnations.

[joeyrock]

Lame? Doctor Who has always been a little cheesy like that.

I loved see Michelle Ryan in something that didn't suck. It kinda should the "The Bionic Woman" was a not her fault. After all, she was awesome in "Jekyl."

I'm going to cry like a baby when Tennant hangs up the old Sonic Screwdriver. But, four years is about the average tenure for Doctor Who incarnations.

Yeah Michelle Ryan was good in Jekyl. Her posh accent wasn't too good with this Doctor Who character.. so that was a bit distracting.

I'm okay with cheesy. I just hate Russell T Davis' crap writing. The stuff with the Bus and the "clamps" (not wanting to spoil anything) was utterly stupid. The bus was trapped and had to be moved.. it was a lateral thinking problem and no effort was put into working out that problem for the end of the episode. It's really lazy writing. I've just got to wait out these specials until Moffat takes over next year... then we can get some proper TV.
I like these new Dr Who's (mostly), but you can see how amazing the show COULD be without that RTD shaped weight around it's neck.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Spoilerage!





I like these new Dr Who's (mostly), but you can see how amazing the show COULD be without that RTD shaped weight around it's neck.

Why I do agree with you in every aspect... This special felt different. Light hearted? I dunno. It was fun. But you could almost hear RTD walking into a room of writers and going: "I want to make a red double decker fly! Write me something where that happens!"

It was pretty cool (in the 8yr old inside me fist bump way) to see it fly. But your right it was uber cheesy and usually I'm the first one off the cheesy train, but somehow this one didn't seem so bad to me.

[Serenity]

I enjoyed it. Loved seeing Michelle Ryan - I didn't know who to be more jealous of when they kissed, lol.

I live in fear for the day my Doctor is gone and that stupid kid takes over. :(

[masherscf]

I live in fear for the day my Doctor is gone and that stupid kid takes over. :(

Hey, my doctor is Tom Baker and David is "The Kid." But, I'm open to change.

[Serenity]

Hey, my doctor is Tom Baker and David is "The Kid." But, I'm open to change.

You wouldn't be if David were your Doctor. He's very hard to lose! :P

<----- Serenity... not so good with change.

[masherscf]

You wouldn't be if David were your Doctor. He's very hard to lose! :P

<----- Serenity... not so good with change.

We lost Doctor who in 1989 and never thought we see him again. I'm happy to have him in whatever form they bring. But, David is great.

[EverybodyStalking]

Tennant is going to be hard to lose because for a lot he is now their "first" Doctor (forget Eccleston please). That's gonna make it especially hard on some.

I for one think it's going to be interesting having a Doctor who's roughly my age (appearance-wise) and Moffat has written some of my favorite episodes in past seasons, so I'm excited for him to take over too.

Allons-y, I say.

[masherscf]

Tennant is going to be hard to lose because for a lot he is now their "first" Doctor (forget Eccleston please). That's gonna make it especially hard on some.

I for one think it's going to be interesting having a Doctor who's roughly my age (appearance-wise) and Moffat has written some of my favorite episodes in past seasons, so I'm excited for him to take over too.

Allons-y, I say.


In some ways, Eccelston's rendering was more original, more interesting, richer and in some ways superior. As popular as Tennant has been in the role, his interpretation is much more derivative of the other Doctor Who incarnations. Indeed, this is probably responsible for the extraordinary resonance that Tennant has struck.

However, if anyone is interested in seeing an utter failure, they need look no further than Colin Baker who is arguably the worst Doctor ever.

In any case, the Doctor changes, it's one of the hallmarks of the series. It was originally a plot device to allow them to recast Patrick Troughton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Troughton) or the aging William Hartnell, but it has grown.

[tokenuser]

Why did this thread not get bumped yesterday to catch "Planet of the Dead" on BBCA last night??

And WHY did they not make Michelle Ryan a permanent companion. Could have been an intriguing character.

I like the way UNIT are being worked into the show more - both on Doctor Who and Torchwood. Could it be that Torchwood is being dismantled and a UNIT based spinoff is in the works to replace it?? Almost leans that way after the "Children of Earth" Torchwood episodes.

[masherscf]

Why did this thread not get bumped yesterday to catch "Planet of the Dead" on BBCA last night??

And WHY did they not make Michelle Ryan a permanent companion. Could have been an intriguing character.

I like the way UNIT are being worked into the show more - both on Doctor Who and Torchwood. Could it be that Torchwood is being dismantled and a UNIT based spinoff is in the works to replace it?? Almost leans that way after the "Children of Earth" Torchwood episodes.


I think because David Tenant is leaving and being replaced with a younger doctor, the next companion may also be younger.

[tokenuser]

I think because David Tenant is leaving and being replaced with a younger doctor, the next companion may also be younger.Michelle Ryan is young (25?). Oh well. I guess we'll only see her spin on wires or run though an alien spaceship in reruns now.

And where DID she hide that shovel?

[masherscf]

Michelle Ryan is young (25?). Oh well. I guess we'll only see her spin on wires or run though an alien spaceship in reruns now.

And where DID she hide that shovel?

Her ass is transcendentally dimensional.

[tokenuser]

Her ass is transcendentally dimensional.TARDASS?

[joeyrock]

Don't worry the new assistant is more attractive than Michelle Ryan and most likely a better actress, ie. She didn't learn her 'craft' in a soap.

Doctor on the left and the new assistant in the middle..... :p

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6203/mattsmithkarengillan.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/mattsmithkarengillan.jpg/)

Here's her drunk....

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/MrMorningstarr/tv-programmes/doctor-who/karen-gillan-drunk.jpg

And here's her "in motion".. only thing I could find.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0mGWoH5uM

[masherscf]

She looks like the girl I used to know in grad school.

[joeyrock]

Actually found another video.. her in a bikini, bonus :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irlc6uqUR04

Ignore Kevin Bishop, everyone in this country thinks he's a twat.

[masherscf]

Any clue when they're going to shoot the new series?

[joeyrock]

Any clue when they're going to shoot the new series?

Shooting it now.. there were pictures of the new Tardis on a beach.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5508/doc11andamy.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/doc11andamy.jpg/)

Good place for DW news here (http://doctorwho.relativedimensions.com/Content/75/more-day-one-set-pics.html)... including Comic Con trailer for Christmas special 2, due end of November I believe!

Note the "newness" of the Tardis... the rumours are that this isn't a "new" doctor either ;) Which if true is very very cool. No other TV show can do that and not break it's own rules. Epic stuff.

[satori]

wow, a new TARDIS? I hope that's only on the outside, I was kind of liking the quasi Steam punk innards.

[joeyrock]

There are rumours the inside is different and more they used to be.. 50's b-movie-ish.. is that a good way to describe the old Tardis inards? Don't really remember what they looked like.

[masherscf]

There are rumours the inside is different and more they used to be.. 50's b-movie-ish.. is that a good way to describe the old Tardis inards? Don't really remember what they looked like.

The Tardis has been renovated several times. Nothing is sacred with Doctor Who, refreshing the formula seems to be a theme.

Anyhoe, once you've seen Colin Baker's outfit, you'll take anything.

[satori]

sorry dude, the Tardis has looked like this nearly it's entire time.
http://www.zetacity.com/insidethetardis/gallery/tardis7.jpg
for a year during the Baker years, it was then changed back to this. When the Movie was made they finally changed it for good.
here's a pictoral history http://www.zetacity.com/insidethetardis/images.aspx?category=1&categoryname=TARDIS_Interior
The last 5 pics are from the re-boot and the 6th was from the movie.

[masherscf]

sorry dude, the Tardis has looked like this nearly it's entire time.

for a year during the Baker years, it was then changed back to this. When the Movie was made they finally changed it for good.

The basic shape stayed the same. I don't expect it to be changed now.

[joeyrock]

Don't think it's going to be that 70/80's scifi tardis in the picture... more 50/60's Forbidden Planet-ish.. which I think is much cooler than steam punk. Plus the doctor is dressed 50's and the police box design was from the 50's.

.. all of that leads me to think. Maybe we get to see how the chameleon circuit broke, which would be awesome :p

[satori]

that white minimalist design is 60s, 70s, 80s. Not sure how I'd feel about a 50s style, guess I'd have to see it.

[tokenuser]

Older episodes seemed to use the inside of the TARDIS as a set you'd see in every episode. I am glad the Doctor spends more time outside these days instead of being cooped up in a small blue box.

[loungepotato]

Older episodes seemed to use the inside of the TARDIS as a set you'd see in every episode. I am glad the Doctor spends more time outside these days instead of being cooped up in a small blue box.

I haven't seen all eight, but there's less and less TARDIS time as the series progresses. Maybe that's because I'm still feeling the Third Doctor's withdrawal but there's not that much of the innards in Baker's episodes (so far) and he actually spent a season in a completely new wooden console room for no apparent reason other than it looked cool.

Also, totally stoked for old-fashioned Doctor! The elbow patches are A++.

[joeyrock]

She looks like the girl I used to know in grad school.

Since you said that I've not been able to place who she looks like in this picture..

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6203/mattsmithkarengillan.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/mattsmithkarengillan.jpg/)

But it just twigged. Mira Sorvino...

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7973/mirasorvino2op373x600.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/mirasorvino2op373x600.jpg/)

[satori]

Older episodes seemed to use the inside of the TARDIS as a set you'd see in every episode. I am glad the Doctor spends more time outside these days instead of being cooped up in a small blue box.

Dude, one of the best series was when the Sontarans infiltrated the TARDIS and roamed it's many secret places. To this day I hoped that there would be other episodes that would explore the massive universe that made it up. Since then the best I've seen is change rooms and bedrooms. It's such a great idea to condsider this thing as a vessel that propelled countless previous time lords and hinted or even told the stories of time lords passed. The thing is supposed to be simply massive and all we typically see is the control room.

[hepcat]

OK, somehow my wife missed the movie that was on last Sunday - she just got around to Torchwood last night. are they reairing it at some point?

[satori]

who is they? what country are you in?

[hepcat]

sorry...I forgot the audience. BBC America in the US

[wideawakewesley]

Any Dr. Who fans might want to check out S03E05 and S03E06 of The Sarah Jane Adventures. The good Doctor makes an appearance.

[ZombiErin]

Thoughts on The Waters of Mars??
I LOVED it.

[joeyrock]

Gonna have to disagree. Basically... it was shit, from start to finish.

Crappy dialogue, silly robot, crap music to suck out any chance of tension, silly running (oh so much running) and crap ancillary actors. They can't have a bike because they have to keep the weight down, yet they are running through a colossal, empty steal tunnel?? http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/images/smilies/suspect.gif And Bowie base? ...really RTD? Not to mention the dramatic fire.. on Mars. How does that work exactly on a planet with no oxygen? Moffat can't take over the show soon enough.

[masherscf]

Gonna have to disagree. Basically... it was shit, from start to finish.

Crappy dialogue, silly robot, crap music to suck out any chance of tension, silly running (oh so much running) and crap ancillary actors. They can't have a bike because they have to keep the weight down, yet they are running through a colossal, empty steal tunnel?? http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/images/smilies/suspect.gif And Bowie base? ...really RTD? Not to mention the dramatic fire.. on Mars. How does that work exactly on a planet with no oxygen? Moffat can't take over the show soon enough.

Wow, rough crowd. After reading your post, I went from really enjoying it to hating it utterly... I feel so much cooler now that I can hate things.

[joeyrock]

Wow, rough crowd. After reading your post, I went from really enjoying it to hating it utterly... I feel so much cooler now that I can hate things.

If I didn't like anything, then hating this wouldn't mean much. As I usually like things, something has to be especially crap to switch on my hate-o-metre. From the fact that they are still making cheap bright blue keyboards in 2059 and sending them on the most expensive and important trip in the history of humanity...... to the Doctor's badly paced turn around to "evil" at the end of the episode. This episode had terrible writing and was badly made.

Sorry you "hate" my take on it. I guess it makes you cool to "hate" other people's opinions on things. See what I did there? :p

[masherscf]

Sorry you "hate" my take on it. I guess it makes you cool to "hate" other people's opinions on things. See what I did there? :p

Touche' my friend.

[tehBoris]

Sorry you "hate" my take on it. I guess it makes you cool to "hate" other people's opinions on things. See what I did there? :p

I hate your retort.

[joeyrock]

People usually like my tortes :(

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4589/eastercakegal.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/eastercakegal.jpg/)

[muddi900]

I liked it for all the reasons joey hated it. I'll tell how a fire works on Mars; the same a 1950's police box works as a super powerful time machine that is powered only by something that can only be described as magic.

I had the same nagging feelings you did my man, but there's always have been a contrived deus ex machina ending to the Doctor's adventure. Its just that, in this one, it was the doctor himself.

Did any of you have goosebumps in that evil scene? or was it just me?

[joeyrock]

I liked it for all the reasons joey hated it. I'll tell how a fire works on Mars; the same a 1950's police box works as a super powerful time machine that is powered only by something that can only be described as magic.

I had the same nagging feelings you did my man, but there's always have been a contrived deus ex machina ending to the Doctor's adventure. Its just that, in this one, it was the doctor himself.


All I'm going to say (rather weirdly) is that you need to watch the making of Superman: The Movie on the DVD/Blu-Ray. Richard Donner will explain all. You can have an alien man flying around... but he can't have broccoli growing out of his head and needs to pay passing respect to the laws of physics.

[muddi900]

All I'm going to say (rather weirdly) is that you need to watch the making of Superman: The Movie on the DVD/Blu-Ray. Richard Donner will explain all. You can have an alien man flying around... but he can't have broccoli growing out of his head and needs to pay passing respect to the laws of physics.
Oh Superman the movie is a completely different beast. Dr. Who has never taken itself too seriously. At least the current series hasn't. Never seen the original run. And that's part of the charm. You can't say all the stuff on Waters of Mars was ludicurous, without saying the same about the Sontaran Strategem, or Bad Wolf or any other episode. That's what it's always been.

[satori]

no idea what all this discussion on pastry is about, but I just wanted to say what a great episode that I thought Water's of Mars was.

[satori]

oh... and has anyone else been watching Masterpiece Contemporary on PBS recently? David Tennant has been hosting for about 5 weeks now. It's fun to hear his real accent.

[wideawakewesley]

Oh Superman the movie is a completely different beast. Dr. Who has never taken itself too seriously. At least the current series hasn't. Never seen the original run. And that's part of the charm. You can't say all the stuff on Waters of Mars was ludicurous, without saying the same about the Sontaran Strategem, or Bad Wolf or any other episode. That's what it's always been.

Agreed!

All the ludicrous stuff mentioned bugs me too, but it's Dr Who, it comes with the territory and always has.

[satori]

has anyone seen this, is it worth seeing?
http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51CIZLoebYL._SS500_.jpg

[masherscf]

has anyone seen this, is it worth seeing?


Netflix it.

[muddi900]

Agreed!

All the ludicrous stuff mentioned bugs me too, but it's Dr Who, it comes with the territory and always has.

It doesn't bug me at all. Dr. Who has a set of loose rules that the writers use to tell any type of story possible. And that's where the fun comes from.

The reason Torchwood was devoid of all personality is because it took those same rules and tried to be "adult" with them, which does not work in the Who universe. Of course their definition of adult meant gratuitous sex and sex talk and more sex.

Yes, yes, I know, Children of Earth was awesome, but not awesome enough to redeem what came before.

[masherscf]

The reason Torchwood was devoid of all personality...

Yes, yes, I know, Children of Earth was awesome, but not awesome enough to redeem what came before.

This statement is rather incredible. If anything, good or bad, "Torchwood" has an over-abundance of personality. IMO

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Eh.

I love Doctor Who.... but this seemed uneven. The whole "evil" doctor was so sudden and so cartoonish I was taken out of the moment. Up till then he and her start arguing (why does she care so much about the time line!? Bullocks.) almost to the end I sort of checked out. The flashes to website news articles was interesting. Even ten years ago it would of been a spinning newspaper with black headlines now we're seeing flashes of unwritten websites. Very clever.

I really liked the Doctor taking control, talking fast, and making time his bitch. That was awesome... then not 20 seconds later he's spouting "little people" (He'd never say that.) and the "Who are you to decide!?" crap was all forced... it just didn't fit with the tortured soul that the Doctor is... sorry, it wasn't a very good special.

[wideawakewesley]

It doesn't bug me at all. Dr. Who has a set of loose rules that the writers use to tell any type of story possible. And that's where the fun comes from.

The reason Torchwood was devoid of all personality is because it took those same rules and tried to be "adult" with them, which does not work in the Who universe. Of course their definition of adult meant gratuitous sex and sex talk and more sex.

Yes, yes, I know, Children of Earth was awesome, but not awesome enough to redeem what came before.

I actually prefer Torchwood

[muddi900]

This statement is rather incredible. If anything, good or bad, "Torchwood" has an over-abundance of personality. IMO

"Oh no what is happening!"
"Lets have sex"
"Oh no we have slipped through time"
"Lets have sex"
"My life is meaningless"
"lets have sex"
"WTF?"
"lets have sex"

[masherscf]

"Oh no what is happening!"
"Lets have sex"
"Oh no we have slipped through time"
"Lets have sex"
"My life is meaningless"
"lets have sex"
"WTF?"
"lets have sex"

You should write for Showtime.

[trunolimit]

Is there anyone here who has gotten into this show late and watched every episode till recent ones? is all one huge uber long story line or is it like top gear where it's really pointless to go and watch older episodes (before the show's relaunch) because it was a totally different show back then?

I keep hearing about this show and want to get into it but I really don't feel like watching 754 episodes. (wikipedia gotta love it)

[muddi900]

Is there anyone here who has gotten into this show late and watched every episode till recent ones? is all one huge uber long story line or is it like top gear where it's really pointless to go and watch older episodes (before the show's relaunch) because it was a totally different show back then?

I keep hearing about this show and want to get into it but I really don't feel like watching 754 episodes. (wikipedia gotta love it)
You can start from the 2005 series, with Christopher Eccleston. 4 seasons of awesome sci-fi adventure.
EDIT: Amazon has the DVDs for cheap(er)

You should write for Showtime.

Well that's why I don't watch Californication anymore. Dexter's great though.

[trunolimit]

You can start from the 2005 series, with Christopher Eccleston. 4 seasons of awesome sci-fi adventure.
EDIT: Amazon has the DVDs for cheap(er)



Well that's why I don't watch Californication anymore. Dexter's great though.

I haven't seen season 3 but man I loved season one then season 2 was about absolutely nothing but him trying not to bang chiks then falls off the wagon and bangs everything then hops back on the wagon and doesn't bang everyone.

[muddi900]

I haven't seen season 3 but man I loved season one then season 2 was about absolutely nothing but him trying not to bang chiks then falls off the wagon and bangs everything then hops back on the wagon and doesn't bang everyone.
Season 3 is just the same. Thats the problem when character growth isn't on your agenda. Its like an edgier non-sci-fi version of Heroes.

[ruiyo]

Just watched Waters of Mars. I really enjoyed it, but it was completely ridiculous:

Fire on Mars.
The robot went through a stream of water before getting in the tardis (hence taking the water back to earth).
The most annoying robot sidekick ever.
Etc. etc. etc.

Also, can anyone explain exactly what the watery monsters were doing? They were producing water... but they wanted to go to a planet that already had lots of water... why / for what purpose? And what was the splitting open of the glacier thing all about?

I love doctor who, but can't wait until Russell T Davies is far far away from it.

[muddi900]

"For Gallifrey!"

"For Victory"

"For The End Of Time Itself"

That was pretty amazing!

[Serenity]

I was really disappointed with the latest episode.

I feel like, if "my" Doctor (the best Doctor! :P) has to go, it had better be EPIC and it just wasn't.

There was so much that was ridiculously unrealistic (yeah, I know it's not normally a "realistic" show but they usually try to scientifically explain what they do, at least superficially) that it made the episode cheesier than normal and made it feel cobbled together.

I didn't feel much of anything. I thought the Doctor was still acting completely off character (at least at first) and while I understand why they are going in that direction with him, that doesn't mean it makes sense.

I really, really wish Moffat was doing these last two episodes.

[muddi900]

I was really disappointed with the latest episode.

I feel like, if "my" Doctor (the best Doctor! :P) has to go, it had better be EPIC and it just wasn't.

There was so much that was ridiculously unrealistic (yeah, I know it's not normally a "realistic" show but they usually try to scientifically explain what they do, at least superficially) that it made the episode cheesier than normal and made it feel cobbled together.

I didn't feel much of anything. I thought the Doctor was still acting completely off character (at least at first) and while I understand why they are going in that direction with him, that doesn't mean it makes sense.

I really, really wish Moffat was doing these last two episodes.

The return of the Time Lords isn't epic enough? Again in this same thread, have ever explained the workings of the magical screwdriver that works on everything? I think I have been watching a very different show, because the one I watch has unexplained scientific phenomenon all the time.

[Serenity]

The return of the Time Lords isn't epic enough? Again in this same thread, have ever explained the workings of the magical screwdriver that works on everything? I think I have been watching a very different show, because the one I watch has unexplained scientific phenomenon all the time.

The idea of the Time Lords return was epic but the execution certainly wasn't. I was left knowing I should feel excited and instead just felt bored.

The screwdriver is sonic! Duh. :P
Like I said, they at least *usually* have a remotely plausible superficial explanation.

[wideawakewesley]

Loved the first part of the festive specials, absolutely loved it!

One of the better episodes of the Tennant era for my money and John Simm, was fantastic as the maddened Master.

[muddi900]

The idea of the Time Lords return was epic but the execution certainly wasn't. I was left knowing I should feel excited and instead just felt bored.

Well, I felt pretty excited so we should agree to disagree!

The screwdriver is sonic! Duh. :P

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/Mel_Dawgz/OlamOANOCl15qdhjEFlp0LSeo1_500.jpg

Apparently what you're saying is that if they tell you something, anything, you'll believe it, but you lack the imagination to make one up yourself. Hate to break it to you, but nobody ever takes these pseudo-scientific babble seriously, especially people who work on these shows. Ron D Moore said something like that in a recent interview. I will go google diving tommorow, well later in the day as it is 4am here.

Ciao!

[Serenity]

Well, I felt pretty excited so we should agree to disagree!



http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/Mel_Dawgz/OlamOANOCl15qdhjEFlp0LSeo1_500.jpg

Apparently what you're saying is that if they tell you something, anything, you'll believe it, but you lack the imagination to make one up yourself. Hate to break it to you, but nobody ever takes these pseudo-scientific babble seriously, especially people who work on these shows. Ron D Moore said something like that in a recent interview. I will go google diving tommorow, well later in the day as it is 4am here.


Ciao!

Wow, that was kinda mean. I didn't really want to argue with anyone about it. I was just stating my opinion and then trying to explain it when you needed it clarified.

I'm fine not discussing it anymore with someone who seems defensive about it.

[muddi900]

I am not being defensive just curious; what makes people believe that a magic screwdriver can work and a device that heals everything doesn't? If you do want a vague explaination:

It rearranges the asymtotic particles in the DNA, countering the anomatical hulabalulu causing any illness ever in the history of mankind.

[EverybodyStalking]

Goodbye David. We didn't want you to go either! :(

Sorry, something got caught in my eye.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Spoiler Laden Quick Review of Part 2:

The good: David. The boy can act. Every interaction, every word, look, glance, was precious and so well acted. The sadness... ugh. John and him's scenes were the best. The last 10 minutes were by far worth the campiness of the first 2 hrs.. It was just golden...

The bad: The Time Lords. Totally disappointing.

Random thoughts:

Damn you. He didn't go out happy. He didn't make peace, he didn't say "I've lived a good life and its time... blah blah..." his last words "I don't want to go" were not what I was expecting. It was tough to watch, they didn't give us any help to get over it. They made it hard. But it was good...

I'm excited for Moffat to head the show, but the New Doctor makes me nervous. I watched a trailer for the next season and I like the younger man clashed with the older attire. But... I dunno... he's got a catchphrase. Which is okay... David had one too, but when this guy says it... I sort of cringe.

[Funkjomamma]

But... I dunno... he's got a catchphrase. Which is okay... David had one too, but when this guy says it... I sort of cringe.

Yeah I don't like it either.

[wideawakewesley]

Love "Geronimo", I'm very excited about Matt Smith from the bits we've seen so far.

Loved the final Tennant ep, teared up. Excellent stuff and I hope we got a hint of a new Torchwood series.

[iborobotosis]

Love "Geronimo", I'm very excited about Matt Smith from the bits we've seen so far.

Loved the final Tennant ep, teared up. Excellent stuff and I hope we got a hint of a new Torchwood series.

Were you referring to the part with Cpt. Jack in the Mos Eisley cantina? I don't really see much hope for Torchwood coming back. The only thing I could possibly gleam from that scene was maybe Harkness could go gallivanting through the stars meeting (and screwing) people.

Overall though, I enjoyed the last two episodes with Tennant... and even Davies. I wish the Time Lords were a bit more of a threat though. Now I understand why Davies said it'd be practically impossible to incorporate them into the show. At least I think he said that.

[TNVWBOY]

I hope we got a hint of a new Torchwood series.

Were you referring to Mickey and Martha? I kinda thought that scene was definitely saying something to us fans without actually saying it. My fingers are crossed. Though it'll be tough without Jack.

[muddi900]

Loved it, but there are just too many threads open in this episode, which we don't know will ever lead to anything, since there's a whole new crew.

Also, Torchwood would most certainly come back. Its too popular not to.

[tokenuser]

Also, Torchwood would most certainly come back. Its too popular not to.Torchwood is slated for another 13 episode season.

Don't believe me? Listen to Capt Jack himself (http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/11/john-barrowman-torchwood-is-back.html) ...

[muddi900]

FUN FACT:
Davros worked for Viridian Dynamics.
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo299/muddi900/vlcsnap-2010-01-04-04h19m47s60.png

[wideawakewesley]

Were you referring to Mickey and Martha? I kinda thought that scene was definitely saying something to us fans without actually saying it. My fingers are crossed. Though it'll be tough without Jack.

I was more referring to this...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s8/torchwood/news/a194870/russell-tovey-to-join-torchwood-team.html

[joeyrock]

Ah so, the new Torchwood is going to be in the future.. whatever time that star wars rip off cantina scene was meant to be in. Makes sense, Captain Jack does live for millions of years. Be interesting if an episode of torchwood covers when he loses his body and his head swells to a massive size (as it were).

[nshady]

First half was really cheesy. I liked how the Master and the Doctor sort of gained a respect and understanding of each other. I really liked the way that they showed the Time Lords created his madness. Thankfully, the second half was much better and more poignant. The end was tough to watch. David Tennant really was great. Catching up with the others was good and bad. The Rose scene was great. The Martha and Mickey scene was cool. The Jack scene was worth it (I got the feeling Davies got his 'every creature we ever had' wish from the season four finale fulfilled). But poor Donna. She got a real short shrift. Left to marry some other guy, still not remembering anything or that she has some super energy vent brain power. But hey, she's got money, right? Right!? Still, the Doctor didn't go down without a fight. A worthy end.

[dizavin]

But... I dunno... he's got a catchphrase. Which is okay... David had one too, but when this guy says it... I sort of cringe.

"FANTASTIC!"

come on, if eccleston can get away with that and we're all still cool with it? were pretty much okay.