Doctor Whovians, Unite! ** SPOILERS **

[masherscf]

This week's Weeping Angels pt.1 kinda sucked. We pretty much got an idea of "trapped in a cave w/ the angels" from the preview. The episode seemed lacking. 5 minutes of cool stuff at the beginning, the minute or 2 of "angel image" and then the rest was pretty much just walking around until the last 3 or 4 minutes before "to be continued".
Maybe I was expecting too much... but I was left feeling disappointed in this one.

'Tis Part I syndrome. Nothing gets resolved. This is common w/ 2-partner in the Who series'.

[wideawakewesley]

This felt like Moffat doing an Aliens style sequel. Thoroughly enjoyable and looking forward to the conclusion next week. I thought the bit with Amy realising she could close one eye at a time was fab. A touch of The Ring with that part too.

[masherscf]

I think it's nice that Moffet is tapping a lot of classic Who themes. "Doctor Who" has always been Sci-fi with a healthy dose of suspense.

[serenity]

The conclusion of the "Angels" episode made me say...

"Now that's my Doctor Who!"


Much better and I feel like Matt is really starting to fit into the role.

[masherscf]

The conclusion of the "Angels" episode made me say...

"Now that's my Doctor Who!"


Much better and I feel like Matt is really starting to fit into the role.

Yes, Matt seems very familiar. He sort of a cross between David Tenant and Peter Davidson.

[serenity]

Yes, Matt seems very familiar. He sort of a cross between David Tenant and Peter Davidson.

My boyfriend says he's reminded of Tom Baker. I can see that, too.

[nshady]

I enjoyed both parts equally. The 'out' at the start of this episode was perfect and awesome, and I'm really loving the way the season's 'crack in the universe' thread is being doled out so early on. In Davies' reign there were call outs ('Bad Wolf') but the meat was left until the finale. Here it feels like an actual serialised show in many respects, which I think is a great new direction.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

Eh. 8 episodes in and we get the worst one. I loved the series so far so one bad apple isn't that big of a deal... but my goodness this episodes was a snore. It was just terribly written... I just couldn't take it and even shut it off with 6 minutes left just because I just didn't care...

We were pretty much told every dramatic plot point coming up. Are they going to kill the alien? Yes. Is the mom gonna use a gun or a weapon? Yes. Is the doctor going to be put in dramatically moral choice between the humans and sleeping species beneath the earth? Yep.

Snore. Writing so bad even short-shorts and charm couldn't save it... ugh. And it was a two parter! What a waste...

[masherscf]

Eh. 8 episodes in and we get the worst one. I loved the series so far so one bad apple isn't that big of a deal... but my goodness this episodes was a snore. It was just terribly written... I just couldn't take it and even shut it off with 6 minutes left just because I just didn't care...

We were pretty much told every dramatic plot point coming up. Are they going to kill the alien? Yes. Is the mom gonna use a gun or a weapon? Yes. Is the doctor going to be put in dramatically moral choice between the humans and sleeping species beneath the earth? Yep.

Snore. Writing so bad even short-shorts and charm couldn't save it... ugh. And it was a two parter! What a waste...

Just a couple of things.

1. Doctor Who 1/2 part eps are notoriously weak. The follow-ups are usually thr strongest eps.

2. The Silurians are a race that has appeared on several occasions. Indeed, this story is a little derivative. The doctor decends to depths with a peace overture that goes ignored by both Humans and Silurians. War erupts. It's been told.

[serenity]

I'm so on the fence about this season still. It hasn't been consistent (good or bad) at all.
I expected better from the writing, honestly. Moffat's previous episodes were some of my favourite episodes ever. This season just hasn't given me that feeling so far.
I mean really, have any of these been comparable to Blink, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead?! Those were all amazing episodes and after the stink of Russell T Davies farewell episodes I was really prepared for something fantastic.

The Doctor has been fine. He's no David Tennant but I can see him growing into the role. Amy is annoying at times but seriously hot and smart so it's forgivable.

I don't know, I'm just not really feeling it. :(

[nshady]

I'm happy. I think you have to treat this seaseon as a proper season (less standalone than before) and I'm reserving judgment on the arc until the end. That being said, I've been enjoying it muchly.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

I can handle a "little weak" I could handle some kind of build up... but... the writing for this one was so on the nose! Why would the doctor leave the alien with the humans? You're telling me a species capable of living over 20 miles below the surface is stopped by a freezer and stone walled basement? I understand I gotta suspend my disbelief for a show like this... but come on, does he not have 900 years of experience with frightened, sleep deprived humans to know what they're going to do the SECOND he leaves?

I can forgive cheesy stuff with Dr. Who... but with this episode it was just too much. There wasn't any real drama. No one has actually died. Why the doctor wouldn't just bring the alien with him as a "bargaining" chip and leave it with the tired, scared, and soon to be armed humans is just idiotic... ugh. I'm not even upset, I'm just disappointed. Because it's a 2 parter I'll have to sit through the other half...

[masherscf]

I can handle a "little weak" I could handle some kind of build up... but... the writing for this one was so on the nose! Why would the doctor leave the alien with the humans? You're telling me a species capable of living over 20 miles below the surface is stopped by a freezer and stone walled basement? I understand I gotta suspend my disbelief for a show like this... but come on, does he not have 900 years of experience with frightened, sleep deprived humans to know what they're going to do the SECOND he leaves?

I can forgive cheesy stuff with Dr. Who... but with this episode it was just too much. There wasn't any real drama. No one has actually died. Why the doctor wouldn't just bring the alien with him as a "bargaining" chip and leave it with the tired, scared, and soon to be armed humans is just idiotic... ugh. I'm not even upset, I'm just disappointed. Because it's a 2 parter I'll have to sit through the other half...

The Silurians are not Aliens, BTW. They evolved on Earth. They are a native species.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

Thanks. I can sleep tonight knowing that my error has been corrected.... lol

[masherscf]

Thanks. I can sleep tonight knowing that my error has been corrected.... lol

I think that the Internet's primary purpose is to correct small minutia.

[nshady]

I think that the Internet's primary purpose is to correct small minutia.

QFT. Haha.

[tokenuser]

I think that the Internet's primary purpose is to correct small minutia.Is that a redundant statement since by being minutia, it is already small?






;)

[forbizzle]

Just started watching Doctor Who. I'm not sure why I haven't been watching it before, it's exactly the type of show I like. It's got that Star Trek monster of the week formula, with a heavy Douglas Adams flavour.

For some reason I thought I'd have to catch up on all the previous episodes before getting into the show. But I took advantage of the new season to jump right in.

[ruiyo]

Awe. Some.

Up there with the RTD regenerating David Tenant cliffhanger.

[masherscf]

Is that a redundant statement since by being minutia, it is already small?






;)


I see what you did there. :)

[vampjoe]

The last episode was really pretty good and legitimately left me with no idea on how the next episode will go, which is kinda rare for a TV show to stump me on this level of REALLY!? I got nothing.

All in all it seems this season is much more one contained story with adventures in it than last seasons, baring the specials (I still cry at the End of Time). The other seasons were like ISpy with the overarching story and then when you watch it again you go OH OH BAD WOLF BAD WOLF SAXON! This one has definitely made it seem more... together although a lot more episodes were Hit or Miss than other seasons.

[nshady]

Yeah, great episode. I don't think this season has been any more hit or miss than any other of the new series.

[vampjoe]

Maybe it has for me solely because I haven't, I guess, connected with Amy as well as the other companions so when I didn't like the story as much that week I didn't have a good companion to fall back on.

She's seemed a bit one note through out the series to me and when they really had a chance to give her some depth by Rory's death, they made him not exist.

Perhaps it's just RTD's amazing character writing but by now I'm normally fully invested in the companion but when the Amy/Rory scene ended the way it did, I was just like oh no she's going to die instead of OMG NOOOOO AMMMMYYYYYY *tear tear cry cry* like earlier series.

[wideawakewesley]

Perhaps it's just RTD's amazing character writing but by now I'm normally fully invested in the companion but when the Amy/Rory scene ended the way it did, I was just like oh no she's going to die instead of OMG NOOOOO AMMMMYYYYYY *tear tear cry cry* like earlier series.

I think that's more because it's obvious they're not going to kill such a popular companion so early into her tenure. When the pain came in the Tennant era, it was when we all knew there was a real ending there. Excellent writing also, but I think that background knowledge impacts it too.

[masherscf]

I think that's more because it's obvious they're not going to kill such a popular companion so early into her tenure. When the pain came in the Tennant era, it was when we all knew there was a real ending there. Excellent writing also, but I think that background knowledge impacts it too.

Adric? Hello?

[vampjoe]

I think that's more because it's obvious they're not going to kill such a popular companion so early into her tenure. When the pain came in the Tennant era, it was when we all knew there was a real ending there. Excellent writing also, but I think that background knowledge impacts it too.

But if I had saw Martha or maybe Donna get shot I would have felt more than I did for Amy. To me her character has been way too meh-y to grow attached to, her character to me was way better when she was a little kid scared of a crack in her wall.

[masherscf]

But if I had saw Martha or maybe Donna get shot I would have felt more than I did for Amy. To me her character has been way too meh-y to grow attached to, her character to me was way better when she was a little kid scared of a crack in her wall.


Are you joking? Amy is awesome. I like her much better than Martha.

[vampjoe]

Are you joking? Amy is awesome. I like her much better than Martha.

Maybe I need to watch this season and Martha's another time but with Martha she was infatuated with the Doctor but since he still was on Rose you got a nice dynamic between them and you got some good character moments with them. Like in the season finale when Martha treked across the world to tell the story of the Doctor, I can't see Amy doing anything like that.

With Amy, she seems just too flirty with everyone and almost takes Rory for granted until he dies where they just make him disappear and ignore that possibility for character development. She seems like an amalgam of all the other companions but for me it just doesn't work as well.

[masherscf]

Maybe I need to watch this season and Martha's another time but with Martha she was infatuated with the Doctor but since he still was on Rose you got a nice dynamic between them and you got some good character moments with them. Like in the season finale when Martha treked across the world to tell the story of the Doctor, I can't see Amy doing anything like that.

With Amy, she seems just too flirty with everyone and almost takes Rory for granted until he dies where they just make him disappear and ignore that possibility for character development. She seems like an amalgam of all the other companions but for me it just doesn't work as well.

Both the Matt and Amy are very derivative of the series. Christopher and Rose were that last two that were truly original. Martha was a version of Joe Grant and Donna was Romana I.

[nshady]

Okay, so I thought this season was fantastic. What a finale! It was genuinely CLEVER. Maybe compared to previous seasons there was less going on emotionally, but I can live with that. It felt reactionary - they toned down the soapiness and went for a more continuous story. But what an ending! I love a good complicated timey wimey story.

[tehboris]

The bit I failed to understand... how does a person remembering some thing that was caused to have never happened make it have happened again?

[nshady]

Amy lived her whole life with a crack in the universe on her wall. That made her special and able to bring back people erased from time (like Rory) when triggered by leftover remnants of their existence (like the ring box). The Pandorica contains remnants of the uncollapsed universe, and by moving it into the exploding Tardis the universe is reborn ("Big Bang 2") through the Pandorica's powers of restoration (like the Dalek in the museum). The Doctor, being at the eye of the storm is outside of time (i.e. through a crack) and removed from time. The Doctor's final message was coded so that at her wedding in the revived world the phrase 'something old, new, borrowed, blue' would trigger her memory and bring him back too.

[masherscf]

The bit I failed to understand... how does a person remembering some thing that was caused to have never happened make it have happened again?

There's some philosophy here about reality being tied to perception.

[cucumberboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_R5UJGt-g&feature=player_embedded

[vampjoe]

The finale was really good, at first I thought they were going to just kind of cop out and be like Bill and Ted where they just go and say they'll do stuff with the time machine and it would have already been done, but they didn't and it made me love that even with the wibbily wobbily timey wimey stuff they still kept a relatively linear story and only broke the Doctor's rule of not going back in his own time line once.

I'm still on the fence with River, not totally sure if I like her a ton or hate her, but I enjoy what happens when she's around.

And I like Amy a bit more now, and now that we know she (and plastic Rory), will be back next season (it seems) I'm hoping she develops a bit more. I hope they keep Rory plastic soldier-y with his awesome laser gun hand like he is, and don't fandangle a way for him to change back unless it's for a good reason.

[scoparker]

And I like Amy a bit more now, and now that we know she (and plastic Rory), will be back next season (it seems) I'm hoping she develops a bit more. I hope they keep Rory plastic soldier-y with his awesome laser gun hand like he is, and don't fandangle a way for him to change back unless it's for a good reason.

I'm pretty sure that with the world "reset," Rory isn't plastic any more. I'm hoping that they treat him like Rose's Mickey in that he comes along for a few episodes, but then finds a reason to stay behind.

[wideawakewesley]

Ok, great episode...but

How the hell did the Doctor get out of the Pandorica. It made no sense at all. I can forgive Dr Who some sins, but this just seemed a complete and utter fudge of the greatest degree. There is no future self of the Doctor to orchestrate his own escape as he's stuck in the Pandorica.

Am I missing something?

[nshady]

Yeah, it's a predestination paradox. The doctor only escapes because after he's escaped he tells Rory to release him. It's not like it's the first time the show's done it... Bad Wolf, anyone? The Doctor when released by Rory has no clue what's happening. He hadn't even thought about it to set events in motion - it came from the future backward, if you know what I mean.

You can go two ways - try and work it out in-show, or do a fan explanation. I've seen suggestion that last week's "Why do I ever let you out?" from River might be more than just a throwaway line. Or you could speculate that the universe is collapsing and hence space-time is messed up. Or The Doctor is a such an important being that time itself set him free.

[senoj1]

The Doctor cheated with the vortex manipulator. Might as well the universe is collapsing why not break some rules. Loved the finale.

[iccanui]

Wow, what a brillant TV show. A show where the main power of the hero is that he is clever. I took a dive to see if i would like it and i just burned through 1-4 of the david tennant ones and im just now wrapping up on the 2 episodes released after the show ended. Im so sad though. I wish there was more. I plan on going back and watching the old ones, but i think this was my era. I dont know if the newest ones will grab me like these did, they looked aimed at a younger crowd, but you never know. Heck i just bought a pair of chuck taylors ( white, but the red looks real nice ) cause i want to always be able to look down at my feet no matter where i am and remember to be clever lol.


But my question is, what now? Can anyone recommend anything else of this caliber ? I tried torchwood for like 1.5 episodes and it felt like CSI for some reason to me. Im gonna go back now that Dr Who 1-4 is over and give it another try, I have a feeling that itll hold my attention better cause im fully hook on Who ATM, im sure its more then a thought it was. Anyway, i just couldnt think of a better place to look for more of this experience, so thanks for any replies.


BTW, how is the Novel/Novels/Audio Shows ?

Thanks again :)

[nshady]

First: http://www.revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5055

But yes, the show's great. And the fifth (Matt Smith) season is great too. By 1-4 of David Tennant do you mean seasons one to four of the 2005 series? Including Christopher Eccleston?

Torchwood is worth sticking with for seasons two and three. The first season is a bit all over the place but gets better.

[iccanui]

Meh. Merging into a dead thread doesn't help conversations.

Oh well thanks anyway.

[masherscf]

Meh. Merging into a dead thread doesn't help conversations.

Oh well thanks anyway.

It's not dead anymore. This thread gets revived whenever there are new episodes. You're just late to the party. I'd still like to keep all the Doctor Who comments in one place.

[iccanui]

It's not dead anymore. This thread gets revived whenever there are new episodes. You're just late to the party. I'd still like to keep all the Doctor Who comments in one place.


I understand, i can still be whiny though ! ;)

[iccanui]

Just watched the last one " The End of Time".

What a brillant show and experience. I dont know about the old and the new, but the David Tennant Dr Who was awesome. I was actually crying at the end and im planet hoth. I dont know if im just getting old or if this show really sunk its teeth into me, but i cant remember being so engaged in a tale such as this. The weird part was, by the end, as much as i didnt want him to go, i was ready for it too. I think they really wrapped it up good. I dont know how ill feel when the impact passes, but right now this last season knocked off Star Trek as my favorite show of all time. I mean how can you not love that his biggest weapon, the biggest reason he was a hero, was cause he was clever.

Anyway, im not gonna blather on. Im so sad its over and so satisfied by the experience at the same time. What complex beautiful feeling this experience has filled me with. Dont know what else to say but thanks. To this forum for highlighting it and to the makers of the show all the was back to the beginning.

Damn it , still leaking. :)

[tokenuser]

Just watched the last one " The End of Time".

What a brillant show and experience. I dont know about the old and the new, but the David Tennant Dr Who was awesome. <snip> I mean how can you not love that his biggest weapon, the biggest reason he was a hero, was cause he was clever. I am a Who fan ... have been since they were filmed in B&W, and shown as a 5 part x 30min story arc. OK, I'm not that old ... but they were rerun pretty consistently during the 70s and 80s.

"Modern" Who is far less about space travel, and more about things happening on Earth. I think that grounds it more, and gives us an emotional connection that the "Old" Who never did (except The Plant of the Spiders (1974)... that's a storyline still creeps me out).

So - how about Torchwood? If you thought "The End of Time" was good ... hold Torchwood's "Children of Earth" tops it.

[masherscf]

"Modern" Who is far less about space travel, and more about things happening on Earth. I think that grounds it more, and gives us an emotional connection that the "Old" Who never did (except The Plant of the Spiders (1974)... that's a storyline still creeps me out).



It's a cost thing. Earthbound adventures are cheaper to produce. Few special costumes and sets are required. Jon Pertwee's first years as the Doctor were similarly earthbound. The main difference between classic Doctor who and the newer version is audience. Classic Who was always a kids show, much like "The Sarah Jane Chronicles" today. The 21st century's Who is aimed at the adults who had watched Who as children.

[iccanui]

I am a Who fan ... have been since they were filmed in B&W, and shown as a 5 part x 30min story arc. OK, I'm not that old ... but they were rerun pretty consistently during the 70s and 80s.

"Modern" Who is far less about space travel, and more about things happening on Earth. I think that grounds it more, and gives us an emotional connection that the "Old" Who never did (except The Plant of the Spiders (1974)... that's a storyline still creeps me out).

So - how about Torchwood? If you thought "The End of Time" was good ... hold Torchwood's "Children of Earth" tops it.


Wow, there is a torch wood episode thats better then "The End of Time" ? Ok that right there just sold me on giving Torchwood another try. I just watched the first Dr Who of the new series and i have to say, i ended up smiling a lot and seeing a lot i think im gonna like. Thats one of the things i love about this show, i saw the first doctor and got used to him and when david tennant came on i was like .. awl crap, i want my doctor back, who is this new dude? Then i got used to david as the doctor and ended up thinking his performances were so freaking brilliant. Then i saw this guy and im like ... oh no, my doctor is gone, who is this guy, he is too young and im already warming up to him. Killing off the doctor once in a while is a BOLD move and one you don't see a lot in shows. They usually find a fun formula and run it into the ground. Is there another show that has done this as good as doctor who ? It just seems to reinvent itself over and over. Something special if you ask me.

Hmm, one question though, ya think i should stop on Dr Who and just go through Torchwood ? Honestly it might be fun to do that and really stretch out the new DW, since im almost caught up and have nothing to look forward too but waiting on a new episode when i want to see one. Plus i saw how i missed a few things on the previous DW wrap ups by not watching torchwood.


Ill say this though, i learned a lot about my co-workers today. I work in the PC department at a ISP and i thought i would come in and be able to share this with them and got blank stares and " no ive never watched Dr Who". When i told the one dude that i thought was as geeky as me that i ordered a pair of Chuck Taylors so i could look down at my feet and remember to be brilliant, he looked at me like i was mad. Though he did tell me there was some dude that does the exact same thing. He was making fun of him as he told me, but i thought it was awesome that some dude i work with wears chuck taylors because of doctor who lol.

But as far as doctor who being space based or earth based, im finding the major draw to me is that the doctor is brilliant. The whole deal for me isnt that he is a all powerful time lord or every episode we see a new planet or race of people orwhatever, but that his main super power is application of intellect, how cool is that ?

If i have a kid someday, this show is mandatory watching.

[nshady]

I say stop Doctor Who and catch up on Torchwood because there are points where the stories interconnect and it's better to have it a bit fresher in your mind.

[masherscf]

Wow, there is a torch wood episode thats better then "The End of Time" ?

The "Torchwood" miniseries "Children of Earth" is one of the finest Sci-fi series ever put on TV.

[iccanui]

Then its settled. Torchwood ho!

See ya guys next month ;)

[tokenuser]

Enjoy the journey.
I'll let you depart with this word of advice ...

It gets better. The first couple of Torchwood eps were all over the place, but it settled into a writing style and storyline that was much closer to the quality of the Doctor Who "Weeping Angels" episode. I think that the Torchwood eps from midway through season 1 are of an overall higher standard than Doctor Who.

I'll now put on my flame retardant underwear and wait for replies :)

[nshady]

Torchwood definitely starts rough, that's for sure. As for whether it betters Doctor Who... maybe. It's easier for them because they don't have to shy away from the horrible stuff. I've always admired Doctor Who's ability to be engaging for all audiences and still mildly off-putting to kids and even us on occasion.

[iccanui]

Well got through the first 3. The sex addict one was not bad if not low brow. But the shooting and story layout was enjoyable. But if you say it gets to weeping angels, thats i need to hear. That was one of my fav of all the dr who episodes. I got a truly erie feeling during that episode.

On a side note, i got my chuck taylors. Man converse sizing it very different then nike rofl. I think they are full size to big, so im off to by them local this time, which is fine, i think i want the maroon ones anway or maybe a blue pair or both. I was gonna send them back, but then i got a idea.... i wonder how hard it would be and annoying to david tennant, to get him to sign them. Im keeping them on that hope. Im so pissed i missed him at comic-con just last year ! /palm to face

[masherscf]

Well got through the first 3. The sex addict one was not bad if not low brow. But the shooting and story layout was enjoyable. But if you say it gets to weeping angels, thats i need to hear. That was one of my fav of all the dr who episodes. I got a truly erie feeling during that episode.

On a side note, i got my chuck taylors. Man converse sizing it very different then nike rofl. I think they are full size to big, so im off to by them local this time, which is fine, i think i want the maroon ones anway or maybe a blue pair or both. I was gonna send them back, but then i got a idea.... i wonder how hard it would be and annoying to david tennant, to get him to sign them. Im keeping them on that hope. Im so pissed i missed him at comic-con just last year ! /palm to face

There's a fair amount of sexual content to work through...not going to lie.

[iccanui]

Ok, just finished up torch wood.


Over all i liked it a lot, but it really took me until the second season to really start feeling compelled to watch it, missing it and not waiting till i get home so I can see more. Children of the Earth was fantastic, i literally would think about it at work and would turn it back on the second i got home. Though CotE highlighted to me what torchwood's problem was, it's lack of story arc. It had plenty of call backs and stuff, but for the most part it felt to me that each episode was self contained. It wasn't till CotE that I felt the writing really shined. As the story unfolded across the 5 episodes. Plus it would have been nice to see the doctor once or twice, but at the same time I respect it's insistence to stand on it's own two feet. That made up for not seeing the doctor even though we see plenty of Jack in dr who.

Over all I'd have to agree. Picked up midway 1st season and just picks up steam right up till the end. I can't wait for the 2011 release. It'll be interesting to see where the writers go. I mean torchwood of season 1 is decimated practically. I like that though, I like to see growth in my shows.

But still, it was no doctor who. ;)

Thanks for pointing me too it, it was well worth the ride.

[wideawakewesley]

If you have kids, you have to watch The Sarah Jane Adventures. My 4yo son just got into it and I have to say I'm loving it. If you don't have kids, just watch the Death of the Doctor two parter, which features Matt Smith quite heavily. It's great!

[masherscf]

I think that "The Sarah Jane Chronicles" is closer to the old school "Doctor Who" formula from the sixties than the actual 21st century "Doctor Who". The transmutation of the older grandfather/mentor doctor into the young/bachelor/action hero doctor was very consistent and only interrupted by Sylvester McCoy's and Sophie Aldred's likable turn as the wise Doctor and young adult chemistry enthusiast companion Ace.

Nevertheless, this original recipe still works great in "Sarah Jane."

[iccanui]

I don't have kids. Sarah Jane still worth it? I was gonna check it out, but it looked like it was a kids show, I only saw one adult.

[satori]

Sarah Jane is completely for Kids. Unless you're a die hard fan of the 70s shows (which I am), I really wouldn't bother with it, you'll just be disappointed. I have a 6 (turning 7) year old son and some of the story lines are still too old for him, but the dialogue is on his level. I'm not sure who this show is really for in terms of demographics. I'm guessing 8 or 9 at this point, but I will have to gage this as he grows older... for the rest of the world I would say you'd probably have more luck watching the 70s doctor who on netflix, it's much better, even if the budgets are somewhat lacking. The acting in those older ones is always top notch as they would typically hire actors who were classically trained for Shakespeare. It's probably why you could see these guys on Doctor Who one week, and then Master Piece Theater the next.

[iccanui]

Sarah Jane is completely for Kids. Unless you're a die hard fan of the 70s shows (which I am), I really wouldn't bother with it, you'll just be disappointed. I have a 6 (turning 7) year old son and some of the story lines are still too old for him, but the dialogue is on his level. I'm not sure who this show is really for in terms of demographics. I'm guessing 8 or 9 at this point, but I will have to gage this as he grows older... for the rest of the world I would say you'd probably have more luck watching the 70s doctor who on netflix, it's much better, even if the budgets are somewhat lacking. The acting in those older ones is always top notch as they would typically hire actors who were classically trained for Shakespeare. It's probably why you could see these guys on Doctor Who one week, and then Master Piece Theater the next.



Ok thanks. I guess I'll go back to the 70's. There is a few on netflix so that's easy.

Although I'm allowed to watch the new doctor who's now :-)

So scratch that. Moving forward before I go back.

[satori]

Honestly I strongly suggest watching the old first, not only is it a great way to get the back story straight, it may be hard to go back and watch the old ones once you've seen the new ones, the production value jump is massive.

Also, they have tons of them on Netflix, as in 4 to 6 episodes of each story, the new ones are mostly single episode stories.

[nshady]

I skipped all of Sarah Jane except for the two Doctor cameo episodes. If you haven't already, go back and watch season three's Sarah Jane's wedding episode because it features David Tennant's last appearance as the Doctor (he shot it after End of Time, but it aired first).

[satori]

I found a good place to watch some Doctor Who that has Sarah Jane in it when Tom Baker was playing the Doctor. This is more for those that haven't watched any of the old episodes. It gives you the back story on the creation of the Daleks as well and gives you some insight on the Galifraens
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x96fl3_genesis-of-the-daleks-part-1_shortfilms

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After just watching the entire series (2005-present), I can't believe TRS hasn't taken the time to actually review this show. Even though I'm not a sci-fi person in the least bit, the first four seasons just blew me away.

I only started watching it because I would catch bits and pieces on BBC America before or after Top Gear, and it took me a while to get interested b/c Matt Smith's stupid face made me not like it, lol. However, after going back to square one with Eccleston and Tennant, I've only re-affirmed my disdain for Smith; he's such a wanker. It makes me mad that all of the work the other two Doctors put into the series was pretty much erased from the Who-verse with the current Doctor. I'm sure it has a bit to do with Russell T. Davies leaving as well; it seems like Moffat has sculpted it into an X Files homage, even down to the title sequence fonts. And I thought Donna Noble was annoying, but Amy Pond blows her out of the water in terms of sheer nebish stupidity and narcissistic screen presence. Within the first three episodes I was already fed up with her complete disregard for following the Doctor's orders, and just acting like a smart ass.

Anyway, I've only got like 4 more episodes to get caught up and ready for the new ones airing at the end of the month. The only things I'm interested right now is River Song's character/arc and the impending "death of the doctor" which they're using as the main focus for the remaining season's trailers. I really hope they incorporate more "traditional" aspects of the series instead of all this Earth-history-centric stuff.

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Doctor Who: two long-lost episodes uncovered
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2011-12-11/doctor-who-two-long-lost-episodes-uncovered
Hopefully they'll make them available to the public soon.

[satori]

I really like that the BBC iPlayer is available in Canada and we can watch all the episodes pre-relaunch... sadly nothing post relaunch is available.