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jimski
04-19-2007, 05:46 PM
Did anyone on any of the 40 other threads mention that the Eisner nominations are out?
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/19/2007-eisner-nominations/
Ed Brubaker is going home happy, one way or another; he's all over the place. The nominations do exist in an alternate universe where Young Avengers is a continuing series.
Did anyone on any of the 40 other threads mention that the Eisner nominations are out?
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/19/2007-eisner-nominations/
Cup Noodle (!)
I don't think they've been mentioned. Thanks for the link jimski. How's the wife doing?
Now that I've looked through it, you're definitely right. Brubaker's going to take a few home.
jimski
04-19-2007, 06:50 PM
Cup Noodle (!)
It is on there! Right next to Stagger Lee! I didn't notice either.
Fred, the wife is applying her workaholic planner tendencies into impending motherhood; a steady stream of furniture I don't remember discussing has been arriving UPS at our house for the last several days. I can only assume I'm putting it together; I'm awaiting further instructions.
It is on there! Right next to Stagger Lee! I didn't notice either.
Fred, the wife is applying her workaholic planner tendencies into impending motherhood; a steady stream of furniture I don't remember discussing has been arriving UPS at our house for the last several days. I can only assume I'm putting it together; I'm awaiting further instructions.
Jimski - a word of advice on the furniture assembly: LIQUOR.
No, I'm kidding.
You will discover that some manufacturers are total assholes who don't know how to sell things that can be assembled by people without a PHD in ****ing engineering.
This is what you do (I learned the hard way with my daughter's stuff and did it right with my son). Put together one thing at a time. Pay attention to the brand and difficulty. By the third item or so you should find one you like. Return all the shit from the dumbass manufacturers and get the good company's stuff.
I won't make recommendations because it's really a personal preference thing, but I will say DAMN YOU GRACO and FISHER PRICE! DAMN YOU TO HELL!
acomicbookgirl
04-19-2007, 09:27 PM
I won't make recommendations because it's really a personal preference thing, but I will say DAMN YOU GRACO and FISHER PRICE! DAMN YOU TO HELL!
I'll remember that if I ever have children.. ;)
humphrey-lee
04-20-2007, 08:13 AM
Yeah, um, no. Some of this makes no sense. Seriously, one, Pride of Baghdad and The Escapists not being represented is a horrible oversight. Seriously horrible. And regardless of quality, All Star Supes should not be there. Putting out less than six issues a year should immediately disqualify you from running, otherwise, what the hell, Planetary put out two issues last year, why not nominate it. Ditto Young Avengers, which put out a whole two issues as well. That doesn't fly.
Otherwise I can dig these. Glad Brubaker is getting his writer nom (and I have to say he has to be a lock for the win). This will finally motivate me to get off my ass and read Fun Home. Loved American Born Chinese, glad it got respect too. I'll have to start amazoning some of this stuff.
drwally
04-20-2007, 11:28 AM
Yeah, I loved Young Avengers, but to call it a "continuing series" is promises, promises, promises...(that tease, I now get the joke "Damn You Alan Heiburg!"). Maybe it's a plea to get him to really come back to comics, but there is no way Brubaker will not win --either he get's it for Captain America or Daredevil. Still, Brubaker has 5 Eisners already, there is that "awards ceremony logic" that may kick in -- "He got so many already, give it to the other guy," despite the obvious case based on merits (Or, OK, one more for Brubaker until the big 2 hire young, fresh talent as good as him that don't run off to Hollywood). I can already hear the screaming masses if the "Well Brubaker already has 5 so..." happens. Yes, Humphrey, terrible oversights, but the ones that are there I think make up for the fact that the big awards fests always overlook somebody who is deserving. I think the oversight is BKV in general -- that's pretty amazing. I don't love his work as much (yet) as others, but still...he is talked about...but apparently not by this Eisner Jury...What, they couldn't give Brubaker one less nomination and put in BKV as a fellow nominee? What happened there?
six-gun
04-20-2007, 02:56 PM
I'll have all of my picks on my column this week. (I'll post it on sunday)
mister-s
04-20-2007, 03:02 PM
McNiven had better not win for Civil War.
McNiven had better not win for Civil War.
It would be funny if he did and they failed to give him the award until next year. Shipping delays and all
Unbeknownst to me, I apparently have critically approved taste in manga – I’ve read, like, three titles ever, and two of ‘em are up for awards: the aforementioned Cup Noodle and Naoki Urasawa’s Monster. The latter is essentially an epic, more twisted version of The Fugitive. Definitely a gateway manga, eschews the cutesy speed-line-y stereotrypes – and it’s highly addictive.
drwally
04-20-2007, 05:47 PM
Unbeknownst to me, I apparently have critically approved taste in manga – I’ve read, like, three titles ever, and two of ‘em are up for awards: the aforementioned Cup Noodle and Naoki Urasawa’s Monster. The latter is essentially an epic, more twisted version of The Fugitive. Definitely a gateway manga, eschews the cutesy speed-line-y stereotrypes – and it’s highly addictive.
I think it may be no small accident. Here in Japan I am surrounded by truck loads of Manga trash, and I think the Manga boom in the US really took off after the distributors on the US side decided to carefully choose what to publish based on quality, rather than just publish anything and everything, as what happened with previous Anime and Manga books in the 90s, where a lot of people on the US side got stuck with tons of junk they couldn't move off their shelves after Sailor Moon and Ghost in the Shell hit and they just picked everything off indiscriminite catalogs "just 'cause its Manga and that's what sells now."
But, it is about time they did accept Manga into the Eisner fold, and seems like you have chosen well. Some crap still seems to get published in the US and one wonders..."why this?"
iSteve
04-21-2007, 09:59 PM
For those, like me, who aren't overly familiar with the Eisner Awards...
From the Wikipedia article on the Eiser Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisner_Award):
The Will Eisner Comic Industry Award is given for creative achievement in comic books. It is named in honor of the pioneering writer and artist Will Eisner, who was a regular participant in the award ceremony until his death in 2005, and includes the comics industry's Hall of Fame. The Eisner Award was created in response to the discontinuation of the Kirby Awards after 1987.
Each category is nominated by a five-member panel, voted on by comic-book professionals, and presented at the annual Comic-Con International convention held in San Diego, California. Jackie Estrada has been the award administrator since 1990.
For previous Eiser winners , click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisner_Award#Best_Single_Issue.2FSingle_Story).
briangilmore
04-21-2007, 10:51 PM
I'm sorry, but if Steve McNiven doesn't win with his Civil War team, I'm going to blow a fit.
Also, I don't know if Ed Brubaker deserves to win for best on going series for Cap and Daredevil. I'll go with Kirkman, for that, but I WOULD go for Brubaker as best overall writer just for this year, if not for anything but for the way he wrote the death of cap. Not the fact that he did it.
(i also interviewed him, in case you want a quick read...it's in my sig...i know, i'm a whore...)
Edit: The only person I think deserves the win over McNiven and his Civil War team is Niko H, who did Pride of Baghdad. Because, JESUS Christ. This man doesn't use a splash page as a cop-out or as a way to take up space, he really just uses them to the foremost and absolute purpose, to show a vast and epic portrait of EVERYTHING that is going on in that moment, and to show how important that moment is...I'm torn due to that opening Civil War splash...hmmm....
jgg0610
04-21-2007, 11:35 PM
I'm sorry, but if Steve McNiven doesn't win with his Civil War team, I'm going to blow a fit.
There's great art and then there's great art in a timely fashion. In my opinion to win an Eisner you have to have both of these qualities and McNiven is seriously lacking in the later. Plus, the lateness of his art had a very negative impact on the book. It certainly didn't show in the sales but most people were just ready for it to be over at the end.
Side note, I agree with you on Henrichon for Pride of Bagdad.
jerome
04-21-2007, 11:46 PM
And regardless of quality, All Star Supes should not be there. Putting out less than six issues a year should immediately disqualify you from running, otherwise, what the hell, Planetary put out two issues last year, why not nominate it. Ditto Young Avengers, which put out a whole two issues as well. That doesn't fly.
I don't think the people who decide these awards put to much stock into lateness/amount of output. Last year's winners for ongoing series and new series? Astonishing X-Men and All Star Superman
jgg0610
04-22-2007, 12:46 AM
I don't think the people who decide these awards put to much stock into lateness/amount of output. Last year's winners for ongoing series and new series? Astonishing X-Men and All Star Superman
McNiven's chances keep looking better and better. But then again weren't both of those series setup to be bimonthly?
conorkilpatrick
04-22-2007, 12:48 AM
McNiven's chances keep looking better and better. But then again weren't both of those series setup to be bimonthly?
I think if you look at the art in the first issue of Civil War and the art in the last issue the drop off in quality is so huge that there is no way Steve McNiven should win.
jgg0610
04-22-2007, 12:49 AM
I think if you look at the art in the first issue of Civil War and the art in the last issue the drop off in quality is so huge that there is no way Steve McNiven should win.
True. It also cracked me up that they only listed one colorist. Didn't he have like 10 on that last issue?
I think it was 52 colorists - I remember that number for some reason
briangilmore
04-22-2007, 12:58 AM
Side note, I agree with you on Henrichon for Pride of Bagdad.
I agree with me too ;) , but I got to thinking. What warrants an eisner more, a person who did their own coloring and pencilling or a collaborative team who brought something to the table and were able to share the same vision in such a way to give us such beautiful and amazingly drawn characters, emotions, and action as those of McNiven? Which one is more valuable?...I think it's subjective to the story that they are trying to tell, personally...
THE SHORT: ...McNiven's work in Civil War warrants a win.
THE LONG:
...WHICH is why, I might be going to the side of McNiven over Niko H...only like 53%, or so though...not a mandate by any means...you could call it a "Bush" victory for McNiven in my mind.
McNiven's art was what brought such an epic nature into the entire series (main title) which was Civil War. He made it what it was, along with his team of COURSE, b/c without those colors, it would NOT have been as great.
I don't blame McNiven for any loss of interest in the series by fans, because personally, I hated the wait, but that does not make him a bad artist. The only way it affected the series in a negative way was that we could not see his art sooner.
His art drove the story, the arc, the individual issues, and the characters themselves into a place I didn't imagine Civil War would go in to, and I think for THAT he deserves his Eisner...if by a HAIR.
If the story got lame or interest was lost, I don't think it was b/c of the art, I think it was b/c of the story...what McNiven contribued to that story is priceless and it's why I think it was definitely worth the wait.
jgg0610
04-22-2007, 01:07 AM
If the story got lame or interest was lost, I don't think it was b/c of the art, I think it was b/c of the story...what McNiven contribued to that story is priceless and it's why I think it was definitely worth the wait.
It was the long wait which was because of the art that interest in the story was was lost. If you're going to have a universe spanning story that's going to hold every other book up, you better make sure that's it out on time otherwise you're going to lose the fans. That's the difference between DC and Marvel over the last year. I'll take 52 over Civil War any day.
briangilmore
04-22-2007, 01:16 AM
It was the long wait which was because of the art that interest in the story was was lost. If you're going to have a universe spanning story that's going to hold every other book up, you better make sure that's it out on time otherwise you're going to lose the fans. That's the difference between DC and Marvel over the last year. I'll take 52 over Civil War any day.
Yeah, but I don't think that, historically, when people pick up the trade and read it all in one shot (as a lot of people I know do) that it will be an issue at all. The art wasn't any less quality because of the timing. Sure, it was inconvenient and downright annoying, but it shows how meticulous he was with the art, how much time he spent on it, and that he didn't want to sacrifice integrity just to get a book out on time.
I'm saying that the book's sales didn't suffer, the fans did a little but, but in the end we got the pay off we wanted (kind of...storywise) artwise and that if you look at the drawings on the page, they are not any worse because of the release schedule and at this point, neither is the story...
...quickness shouldn't be a factor, the completion and communication of the sequential art that is the product, i think, should speak for itself.
:)
jgg0610
04-22-2007, 01:18 AM
I think this is one of those times when we should just agree to disagree. I'm not saying that some of your points aren't valid but there are other factors that heavily color some of the "greatness" of the art.
acomicbookgirl
04-22-2007, 01:23 AM
Seeing who he's competing against... Sorry its got to go to Brubaker... He's got me into Marvel like Johns got me into DC...
briangilmore
04-22-2007, 01:26 AM
I think this is one of those times when we should just agree to disagree. I'm not saying that some of your points aren't valid but there are other factors that heavily color some of the "greatness" of the art.
I could definitely see your point, as I said, I'm not ALLL for it...but if I HAD to make a decision, for this year, I think I would make that one.
Once again, though, if Niko H won, I would not be unhappy at all.
conorkilpatrick
04-22-2007, 01:26 AM
Seeing who he's competing against... Sorry its got to go to Brubaker... He's got me into Marvel like Johns got me into DC...
Steve McNiven's not up against Ed Brubaker....?
jgg0610
04-22-2007, 01:27 AM
Steve McNiven's not up against Ed Brubaker....?
Glad I'm not the only one confused by that comment. I had to pull up the full list again and reread the nominations.
briangilmore
04-22-2007, 01:28 AM
Steve McNiven's not up against Ed Brubaker....?
hahaha yeah. McNiven's up for best artist with his team for Civil War.
I think maybe she was responding for a previous post?...
...Anyway...yeah, I'll go with Brubaker.
acomicbookgirl
04-22-2007, 01:30 AM
Steve McNiven's not up against Ed Brubaker....?
Oops.. My bad... :o
acomicbookgirl
04-22-2007, 01:40 AM
hahaha yeah. McNiven's up for best artist with his team for Civil War.
I think maybe she was responding for a previous post?...
...Anyway...yeah, I'll go with Brubaker.
:o Niko Henrichon is my pick.. If Civil Was was consistent art wise, it would've been up there...
the-screw-on-aaron
04-22-2007, 01:47 AM
I'm with Brubaker all the way in less Mignola gets nominated for something. Though after today I'm sort of warming up to Mark Miller a lot, and Bill Willingham Doesn't hurt at all, he deserves best writer for fables.
mikegraham6
04-22-2007, 04:41 AM
i think brubaker should win every award he's nominated for, this was HIS year, IMO. he blew me away with all his books and i think that Devil in Cell Block D is the best comic superhero story i've read in 5 years, it was jawdropping
humphrey-lee
04-22-2007, 07:53 AM
i think brubaker should win every award he's nominated for, this was HIS year, IMO. he blew me away with all his books and i think that Devil in Cell Block D is the best comic superhero story i've read in 5 years, it was jawdropping
Honestly, I still think BKV had a better year, because he put out PRIDE OF BAGHDAD, and I still think that's going to go down in the same regard as some of the top graphic novels the industry has produced. I would have been fine with Brubaker winning the Best Writer award over him, but he really should have been nominated at the least.
This years noms were all sorts of weird.