TV: Heroes

[tokenuser]

Alex, Dan, Jeff ... I know there has been some discussion about BSG, and coming to the party late ... but if you aren't watching Heroes on NBC you need to be strung up by the short and curlies and subjected to Chinese Opera.

BTW - Why didn't the universe implode in the final scene?? Of all the characters, Hiro should know about temporal paradoxes!!! His dad is Sulu FFS.

[comhcinc]

i've only got to see 3 esp. but i am digging it. is this a limted series?

[tokenuser]

i've only got to see 3 esp. but i am digging it. is this a limted series?It was supposed to be, but has been signed up for another full season.

[comhcinc]

huh, well that makes these last four esp kinda anti-climatic

[sparks]

huh, well that makes these last four esp kinda anti-climatic

Maybe so, but the preview for next week still looked amazing

[comhcinc]

yeah i just wish i could have caught the beginning of the show

[tokenuser]

yeah i just wish i could have caught the beginning of the show*cough* bit torrent *cough cough* ... or wait until August (rumour) when the DVD set will be released (along with an HD-DVD box set as well). These sets are supposed to include the unaired pilot of the show. This is definately going to be a series I buy on DVD (or maybe HD-DVD ... this might be the title that tips the balance for me).

[comhcinc]

*cough* bit torrent *cough cough*

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you think i can run bit torrent on this machine?

[sparks]

you think i can run bit torrent on this machine?

You can even get online? o.O

or maybe you are the Russian chick Wireless and trying to trick us all? >.> (feeble attempt to stay on topic)

[wideawakewesley]

i've only got to see 3 esp. but i am digging it. is this a limted series?

Actually it's in the 24 format, so this series will have a conclusion to it's main plotline and a new plotline will start next series with some but not all of the current cast and some new characters.

Wes

[tokenuser]

you think i can run bit torrent on this machine?No problem. But go for uTorrent, and not Azureus ... I like the features of Azureus, but the resource overhead will kill your machine. The biggest issue with torrents is bandwidth and not CPU.

Now, once you have actually downloaded the series ... watching them could be an issue.

A more legal route is actually via the iTunes store. All the episodes are available there if you want to watch them on a 1" iPod screen.

[comhcinc]

thanks but i'll just wait for the dvd release. funny thing is scifi channel did this marathron a couple weeks back, but it was the weekend that i moved back into my house

[divadawg9234]

It was supposed to be, but has been signed up for another full season.
huh, well that makes these last four esp kinda anti-climatic
What I've heard is that all future seasons will be with completely different heroes coming together... Also, as we learned last night, the explosion does not kill everyone on earth, just part of New York :)

[wideawakewesley]

What I've heard is that all future seasons will be with completely different heroes coming together...

I read there will be new heroes, but it won't just be about new heroes. Some existing characters will be in multiple series.

Wes

[tokenuser]

So long as they don't band together and have some sort of "civil war" then it is all good.

One thing that has bothered me a little about the series. So far all the heroes have some sort of power ... but where are the gadgets? the costumes?? the sidekicks???

Hiro is the only one that knows what being a hero is all about ... he has the costume (black wearng future Hiro with the sole patch), the gadget (his sword of power), and his sidekick (Ando). Pity his vehicle of choice is a Nissan.

[comhcinc]

One thing that has bothered me a little about the series. So far all the heroes have some sort of power ... but where are the gadgets? the costumes?? the sidekicks???


i thought that was kinda the point? superheros for people that don't read comics

[tokenuser]

i thought that was kinda the point? superheros for people that don't read comics

Don't worry - all tongue-in-cheek. Hiro is the only one from the geek counter culture that knows how a "superhero" is supposed to act. Everyone else is learning the ropes, and coming to terms with their powers ... though if Nathan Petrelli wants to go flying, he really should have something more practical than an Armani suit, or boxer shorts and a dressing gown.

[conedude13]

What I've heard is that all future seasons will be with completely different heroes coming together... Also, as we learned last night, the explosion does not kill everyone on earth, just part of New York :)

We also learned last night that there were "heroes" for a long time now (Mr. Linderman said so as well as showed us what he can do). I suspect these old school heroes will now get tied in with the gen-x heroes. I think mommy Petrelli is also one of the old school heroes.

Did anyone else think that EMP was cool?!

[nitelite]

We also learned last night that there were "heroes" for a long time now (Mr. Linderman said so as well as showed us what he can do). I suspect these old school heroes will now get tied in with the gen-x heroes. I think mommy Petrelli is also one of the old school heroes.

Well it has been rumoured that the 2nd season will be titled "Generations" and that it will tie back to all of the current "Heroes" with family ties and such.

Lots of generally good info on wikipedia and if you're into the spoilers, at spoilerfix.com (general stuff is at the bottom, past all the episodes summaries)

First post! Weeee

[tokenuser]

Did anyone else think that EMP was cool?!He has mastered what I have been doing for years - my Electro Static Discharge had me banned from the test lab in dry weather.

I like the "Generations" concept. Lindeman, Angela Petrelli, Kaito Nakamura (Hiro's father - not explicitly mentioned, but he has had a long standing knowledge of the special powers). Claude (invisible man) was older than the others - sort of intergenerational ...

[divadawg9234]

I like the "Generations" concept. Lindeman, Angela Petrelli, Kaito Nakamura (Hiro's father - not explicitly mentioned, but he has had a long standing knowledge of the special powers). Claude (invisible man) was older than the others - sort of intergenerational ...
I like it as well, this show just keeps getting better. I love that it actually answers questions before bringing up new ones, unlike some other shows out there *cough * Lost *cough cough*

[nitelite]

The EMP was definitely cool. I just wonder how HRG had the intimate knowledge of how his powers worked. (burn Bright, not Hot or whatever)

As far as the 2nd season. Returning Heroes are a must. Like 24, Jack/Chloe/WaynePalmer/etc. Added with new characters (Morris/Miles/Doyle/etc) that are interesting, etc.

I kind of wonder, if this is what will happen, how they will handle telling older stories of parents/family. Will it be flashbacks (ala Lost) or complete stories broken up into Arcs (I'd prefer this I think). Like they have in the first season.

Oh and the Peter vs Sylar fight... more of this please!

[professio]

Oh and the Peter vs Sylar fight... more of this please!

The peter vs sylar fight will probably be as epic as the goku vs vegita fight. you all know what I am talking about. :p Regardless, it is going to be bomb.

[rabidbadger]

*Skip to bottom of thread so as not to risk spoilers.*

Love Heroes, but am behind about four episodes, bought them on iTunes, but haven't watched them yet...

Love Hiro, and Peter is both cool and hot...

What a clever concept. and nicely filmed for a tv show. My fave since X-Files.

[wideawakewesley]

My fave since X-Files.

I remember the days I simply couldn't miss the X-Files. It's such a shame it's standards slipped as time went on.

Talking about the X-Files though, I think Sylar is probably one of the creepiest villians we've had on TV since Eugene Tombs.

Wes

[rabidbadger]

Once what's his name from T2 came on board, all downhill. Can't watch. Painful. Even Scully couldn't save it...And she's awesome.

[satori]

Once what's his name from T2 came on board, all downhill. Can't watch. Painful. Even Scully couldn't save it...And she's awesome.

personally I think the show jumped the shark the second it left Vancouver and started filming in California. I get that Duchuvny wanted to be closer to his hot wife and all... but the dark and somber backdrop that is British Columbia was perfect for the show. It was Dark and raining more than half the time. Also the procution crew and extras seemed to work better on the show... It's just sad that such a great show had to be ruined by one guy's demands. Gillian Anderson kind of predicted the downfall just before they moved and I think she nailed it.

[rabidbadger]

Jeeze, I didn't really notice that, hear about it. As long as the writing, acting, directing were good I didn't care.

[magunwarrior]

Ah yes Heroes is one of the best shows on TV, the next episode looks ****ing epic, can't wait.

[tink2112]

Don't worry - all tongue-in-cheek. Hiro is the only one from the geek counter culture that knows how a "superhero" is supposed to act. Everyone else is learning the ropes, and coming to terms with their powers ... though if Nathan Petrelli wants to go flying, he really should have something more practical than an Armani suit, or boxer shorts and a dressing gown.

oh come on! that boxer short/dressing gown is great for the ladies! ;)

[crazy_bag_man]

Ah yes Heroes is one of the best shows on TV, the next episode looks ****ing epic, can't wait.

They're always epic, and more importantly, they always deliver.

[joeleeriepa]

personally I think the show jumped the shark the second it left Vancouver and started filming in California. I get that Duchuvny wanted to be closer to his hot wife and all... but the dark and somber backdrop that is British Columbia was perfect for the show. It was Dark and raining more than half the time. Also the procution crew and extras seemed to work better on the show... It's just sad that such a great show had to be ruined by one guy's demands. Gillian Anderson kind of predicted the downfall just before they moved and I think she nailed it.

I very much agree with the quality change due to location jumping. I thought season 6 (first LA season) was still pretty good, but there is a marked difference between the Canadian and California episodes. Not there is anything wrong with filming in LA when it fits (the Shield baby!!).

[johnnysix]

I a massive fan of BSG, Lost, 24, the Sopranos and Entourage. I'm dig comics and read a lot. But I just can't get past the first 4-5 episodes of Heroes.
Personally, I think it's the split personality chick that throws me off. I mean, she's nice to look at and she's not doing anything acting-wise to throw me off, but I just don't see that as a superpower or ability in the same vein as the other characters. It's not something that can nessesarily be harnessed. I don't know? I mean, I know a lot of people dig it, but I dont feel compelled to watch it like I do the others (24 is really testing me this season though. Thank god for the early Lost boys style throat biting).

[wideawakewesley]

Actually Nikki/Jessica has developed quite nicely as a character, it's just a shame I can't stand to look at her face.

[tokenuser]

I a massive fan of BSG, Lost, 24, the Sopranos and Entourage. I'm dig comics and read a lot. But I just can't get past the first 4-5 episodes of Heroes.
Personally, I think it's the split personality chick that throws me off. I mean, she's nice to look at and she's not doing anything acting-wise to throw me off, but I just don't see that as a superpower or ability in the same vein as the other characters. It's not something that can nessesarily be harnessed. I don't know? I mean, I know a lot of people dig it, but I dont feel compelled to watch it like I do the others (24 is really testing me this season though. Thank god for the early Lost boys style throat biting).Push past the pain (fast forward). But as WWW said above, her character does develop ... its just a lot slower than the others. I am waiting for the whole Nikki/Jessica, DL, Micah to pull into the regular story arc. It crosses the main story line, but is ultimately pretty seperate at this point ... although with lat week's show, it looks like Micah might be the key.

[orlov]

I don't feel that Alli Larder (if thats her name) has that much screen time compared to other character's such as Claire so you should really try to struggle past the first 4-5 eps to get into it, it took me an entire month to get past the pilot and first couple episodes of BSG but I did it and really started to like the show (until they landed on that planet). Heroes has really come along nicely and the clip for the next episode really excites me. If they do all new heroes next season I think that would be the smartest thing to do, I know I would be real interested to start over and meet totally new people with totally new problems than have no closure to this season and continue with the same problems for these characters.

[magunwarrior]

It's always seemed rather odd to me how the Nikki/Jessica story line is still not directly part of the main story arc. (But judging from the promo for next week it looks like that is going to happen eventually)

At least they're not showing too much of Parkman anymore, the guy that plays him just bugs me.

[darknessgp]

... If they do all new heroes next season I think that would be the smartest thing to do, I know I would be real interested to start over and meet totally new people with totally new problems than have no closure to this season and continue with the same problems for these characters.

I completely disagree. I think one of the worst things they can do is scrape everyone and start over. A smarter thing to do is to actually wrap up all the loose ends and keep some of the current Heroes for next season, or perhaps this will be a multi season story arc. The problem with Lost was the only way to have closure was for them to be found or get off the island, something that would definitely be a show stopper and would have probably led to a couple of spin-offs with characters from the show, something I'd rather not see with Heroes.

[johnnysix]

Okay, I'll give it another shot. I know others have said the same thing. Although about BSG, the miniseries took me a bit to get past, but 33 got me.
Is there a specific episode you guys think really grabs hold of you and sets up the series, or were you all in from the get go?

[nitelite]

All in from the get go. Is there any other way to be?

[magunwarrior]

I've seen every episode and have loved all of them.

Except when they would flash to either Parkman or the Nikki/Jessica story line.

[wideawakewesley]

I'm so disappointed that there's no love in the house for Parkman, he rules! I do like the actor though, he was one of my faves on Alias too.

[comhcinc]

which one is parkman?

[joeleeriepa]

which one is parkman?

The ex-cop who can hear peoples thoughts. I know a lot of people don't digg his acting, but if you give him time he ends up feeling like someone you know.

[wideawakewesley]

The ex-cop who can hear peoples thoughts. I know a lot of people don't digg his acting, but if you give him time he ends up feeling like someone you know.

I can totally see myself sharing a beverage with Parkman.

:)

Wes

[tokenuser]

Although much of the plot focuses on Peter, Claire, and Hiro, I like Parkman as well ... a dyslexic cop who hears thoughts? Awesome. Especially when he hears his partner is cheating on him ... and then when he gets hit with feedback from Peter in the interrogation. Again ... awesome.

And now he and the nuclear man (Ted) are teaming up with Mr Bennet (who has been studying the mutants long enough to now coach them - ow cool is that) I think the storylines are getting better and better.

Man I love this show. Can't wait for the DVD so I can do a Heroes marathon with some ... ahem ... less enlightened friends (I got them hooked on Firefly/Serenity as well).

[wideawakewesley]

Can't wait for the DVD so I can do a Heroes marathon with some ... ahem ... less enlightened friends (I got them hooked on Firefly/Serenity as well).

I've never really been into buying DVDs of series once I've watched them. I'll buy a DVD of a series on recommendation to catch up, but never to rewatch.

Am I a freak?

;)

Wes

[tokenuser]

I've never really been into buying DVDs of series once I've watched them. I'll buy a DVD of a series on recommendation to catch up, but never to rewatch.

Am I a freak?

;)

WesThere are some things that need to be purchased to preserve a slice of history. In much the same way that I used to love listening to my mother's Beetles albums on vinyl, and her old 33 and 45 singles, I hope that some day my kids (if/when) will have an appreciation for my tastes in both audio (CDs) and video (DVDs). If that means boxed sets of TV shows - so be it.

[magunwarrior]

I will be buying the DVDs for sure, I usually re-watch each weeks episode two-three times anyway.

God I love this show.

Oh and about Parkman, It's not like I hate the character, the actor just bugs the hell out of me, I don't know what it is, I just have this uncontrollable urge to punch him.

But I do love the nuclear guy (Ted is his name, correct?) I mean a freaking EMP? Epic.

But this pasts weeks episode was missing a lot of Hiro lovin'...a bit disappointed there.

[nitelite]

But this pasts weeks episode was missing a lot of Hiro lovin'...a bit disappointed there.

You won't be dissappointed soon. Hiro will be getting lots of screen time =)

[brian1625]

Ah my first post to TRS.

This is the only reason why I turn on my TV!

I'm GLAD they're not running around as Super Heroes in a typical fashion, I wanted something new and we have it!

How obvious and perfect this is! Comic book writers with control were MEANT for TV and not the movie theater, and it shows!

Don't quote me on this, but I've heard that this show already has enough story to last for 5 seasons if need be. [which is evident based on the comic back stories] So hopefully we won't get a Pokemon like ordeal where they're like "Hey there's more than 150 Pokemon!" and just continue the story under some lame pretense.

My favorites are
Sylar, HRG and Mohinder.

Sylar.. A "watchmaker" that feels he has a purpose, how brilliant is that!? ... For those that are familiar with basic philosophy. Speaking of which the last episode touched on the Free-Will dilemma, in which NOT ONE PAINTING of Issac's has been wrong. So where does this leave free-will?

[magunwarrior]

Well my favorites would would probably be: Claire, HRG, Ted, Sylar (I was sort of shocked to see him as the bad guy, he played a real puss in 24, or from what I remember) and I really liked Claude, and now we're probably never going to see him again. :(

[comhcinc]

good one tonight. they really tricked me.

oh btw what is the blonde's power other than to be a complete psycho b*tch? i missed all the early esp.

[darknessgp]

good one tonight. they really tricked me.

oh btw what is the blonde's power other than to be a complete psycho b*tch? i missed all the early esp.

I'm assuming you mean Nikki/Jessica. Well...

POSSIBLE SPOILER!

















The main rumor I know about that says that Jessica was Nikki's sister who had the power to basically move her spirit/whatever to other people and take control of them. So, supposedly she did that before she died. And Nikki has superstrength, but doesn't know how to actually tap into it.

[magunwarrior]

Do you mean Nikki?

She had a split personality thing, where one of her personalites was all evil and super strong.

Oh and what happend at the very very end, my DVR cut off after Ando said, "I believe in you Hiro!"

Was there anything after that?

[endoftheline]

my first TRS post. was coming on to say how much I love the show, and the guys...

but got sidetracked by the freaking kickass episode of Heroes that was on tonight. it was off the hook. I love this show.

oh and I love the totally rad show too..

[trsjeff]

my first TRS post. was coming on to say how much I love the show, and the guys...

but got sidetracked by the freaking kickass episode of Heroes that was on tonight. it was off the hook. I love this show.

oh and I love the totally rad show too..

Welcome to the forums!

Be sure to watch episode 6 coming out tomorrow, we talk quite a bit about Heroes (although we had to tape before seeing tonight's episode).

-Jeff

[comhcinc]

Do you mean Nikki?

She had a split personality thing, where one of her personalites was all evil and super strong.

Oh and what happend at the very very end, my DVR cut off after Ando said, "I believe in you Hiro!"

Was there anything after that?

i believe you got it all

[crazy_bag_man]

i believe you got it all

They also ended up making it back to the past before to explosion

[slowmy]

wow, last nights ep was great, and i found myself suprised at a lot of the plot twists... i do think that next weeks ep will be better though, with the many revelations the previews showed...

[tink2112]

wow, last nights ep was great, and i found myself suprised at a lot of the plot twists... i do think that next weeks ep will be better though, with the many revelations the previews showed...

what was in the preview?? i had to watch it online and they dont air the preview. help?

[magunwarrior]

SPOILERS





I saw the Sylar as Nathan thing coming a mile off to be honest, and Peter was such a goddamn bad ass.

But did anyone think that scar looked kinda goofy?

[professio]

But did anyone think that scar looked kinda goofy?


I actually thought the scar looked pretty bad ass and wish i had one myself, haha. but i was more curious on how he got it since he has the power of regeneration he sould have been able to heal any cut he got on his face. Regardless, peter is super tight.

[magunwarrior]

Yeah, that scar is really perplexing.

I'm watching it again right now, and it doesn't appear be all that deep, I guess we'll find out.

[tokenuser]

Yeah, that scar is really perplexing.

I'm watching it again right now, and it doesn't appear be all that deep, I guess we'll find out.I dont think we will see the scar happening. That was an alternate future. Future Hiro had jumped back in time and changed events (Future Hiro on the Train with Peter). In FH's time line, the cheer leader died. But in Hiro's time line, she had been saved, and he knows that he is the one that needs to kill Sylar ... he saw it in the comic book.

I like the future time line thing. Nice tip of the hat to Back to the Future.

[magunwarrior]

Yeah I was going to say something like that, just couldn't phrase it very well.

[sparks]

My theory on the scar

He blew up, had to leave a mark somewhere

[hoaznod]

I was checking the forum to comment on how awesome trs is, and this thread caught my eye.

It was actually very surprising Dan and Jeff liked Heroes as I thought they were better than that :/

then Jeff said that he thought the battle between Sylar and Peter was awesome and I laughed my ass off because that's ridiculous.

I don't know why so many people thought that this episode was good, because it was one of the worst episodes of a mediocre show in general. There was so many things wrong with the show all listed here...

http://www.jatsmedia.com/reviews/tv-shows/heroes-back-id-rather-play-pokemon

sorry to link to another site but it's easier than rewritting everything :x

[joeleeriepa]

I like the future time line thing. Nice tip of the hat to Back to the Future.

More like the X-men's 'Days of Future Past', and about a billion other comic book's alternate futures.

Heroes is a fun show, but if you are a comic reader then everything on that show is something you've read many times before.

[sugarsickness]

I dont think we will see the scar happening. That was an alternate future. Future Hiro had jumped back in time and changed events (Future Hiro on the Train with Peter). In FH's time line, the cheer leader died. But in Hiro's time line, she had been saved, and he knows that he is the one that needs to kill Sylar ... he saw it in the comic book.

I like the future time line thing. Nice tip of the hat to Back to the Future.

Unless there are no alternate time lines and everything always has and always will happen the way it is supposed to regardless.

I really do not want that bomb to be stopped.

Heroes is a fun show, but if you are a comic reader then everything on that show is something you've read many times before.
You really don't have to be a comic book reader to see that the shows actual overall story is nothing new at all (And most of the powers aren't new, and there are too many "invincible characters" and so forth). The reason the show is so great and compelling, for me at least, is how the story is told and shown to us. That scene before Hiro and Peter meet, when Peter is in Isaac's apartment and gets a phone call from Hiro and Isaac says that it's just some wrong number and then Peter answers and tells Hiro to save the cheerleader even though he didn't know who Hiro was or who Claire was yet was simply awesome.

The day the latest episode aired I was playing through Tribes: Vengeance, a favorite of mine. The game is told from multiple people's points of view from different time periods. So you would play a bit in the past, then the "present" and you would see people die or how their relationships turned out - but you don't yet know what events led to those circumstances and so it provokes a lot of thought about the possibilities of what happened in between. While the story is a typical underwhelming video game story I thought telling it from both the beginning and end simultaneously was ingenius and made me not just skip the cut scenes to get to the action.

And then Heroes aired with an episode that takes place 5 years in the future and raises a number of questions. I thought it was great.

[magunwarrior]

I was checking the forum to comment on how awesome trs is, and this thread caught my eye.

It was actually very surprising Dan and Jeff liked Heroes as I thought they were better than that :/

then Jeff said that he thought the battle between Sylar and Peter was awesome and I laughed my ass off because that's ridiculous.

I don't know why so many people thought that this episode was good, because it was one of the worst episodes of a mediocre show in general. There was so many things wrong with the show all listed here...

http://www.jatsmedia.com/reviews/tv-shows/heroes-back-id-rather-play-pokemon

sorry to link to another site but it's easier than rewritting everything :x

Go jump off a bridge.

Thanks.

[radmax]

I dont think we will see the scar happening. That was an alternate future. Future Hiro had jumped back in time and changed events (Future Hiro on the Train with Peter). In FH's time line, the cheer leader died. But in Hiro's time line, she had been saved, and he knows that he is the one that needs to kill Sylar ... he saw it in the comic book.

I like the future time line thing. Nice tip of the hat to Back to the Future.

but dude...she was alive in that future. everyone just thought she was dead.

here is my theory....

future sylar gets future claires power. future sylar beats future peter. future sylar then finds future hiro's body and opens up is brain to see how his power works...making him a time traveler.

future syalr goes back to our time...with claire's power. present day hiro stabs future sylar..thinking it is present day hiro. he is able to heal and is immune to hiro stopping time...since he has the power too.

the save the cheerleader thing came up because if sylar could heal then he will be a b*tch to kill. so they saved her, but it was in the future where sylar got her power...not on homecoming night.

but the whole problem is the future hiro was working under the assumption sylar was the explosion...nobody knew it was peter. future hiro is trying to stop it but he is wrong about what caused it.

i think a lot of people see this as a stand alone episode, but i really think this is the most important episode to the plot.

[radmax]

i also think peter got the scar when he was around the hatian.

some people say he got it because he never got the power to heal, but since claire was alive in this future he was there to save her at homecoming.

claire also knows nathan is her father. this leads me to believe that everything that has happened on the show so far will still lead to the this future.

there is no way hiro leaped into an alternate future. this is still the future from the time he leaped. if something they already did changed the future then hiro would have went into that future.

now when he goes back he can shift it, but this is the future where claire was saved at homecoming and all of that.

whatever stops this from happening hasn't occured yet.

[maltese-falcon]

The future is weird. Claire is alive, but Peter never met her or else he wouldn't have a scar. If he didn't meet her she must have been saved some other way. And if she was saved some other way, why would future Hiro go back and tell Peter to save her? Future Hiro said he stabbed Sylar in his past, but he was able to regenerate. How would that be possible seeing as Future Sylar just got Claire's power in Future Hiro's present? Time travel sucks, in my honest opinion.

And what's with Peter's voice? Trying to talk all dark or whatever. Came off as lame to me.

I like the show though. Most recent episode was good. I liked when Peter saved future Hiro from the gestapo, when he first came in and knocked the one guy down with telekinesis. That looked so Jedi, with the hand wave and all.

[joeleeriepa]

Unless there are no alternate time lines and everything always has and always will happen the way it is supposed to regardless.

I really do not want that bomb to be stopped.


You really don't have to be a comic book reader to see that the shows actual overall story is nothing new at all (And most of the powers aren't new, and there are too many "invincible characters" and so forth). The reason the show is so great and compelling, for me at least, is how the story is told and shown to us. That scene before Hiro and Peter meet, when Peter is in Isaac's apartment and gets a phone call from Hiro and Isaac says that it's just some wrong number and then Peter answers and tells Hiro to save the cheerleader even though he didn't know who Hiro was or who Claire was yet was simply awesome.

The day the latest episode aired I was playing through Tribes: Vengeance, a favorite of mine. The game is told from multiple people's points of view from different time periods. So you would play a bit in the past, then the "present" and you would see people die or how their relationships turned out - but you don't yet know what events led to those circumstances and so it provokes a lot of thought about the possibilities of what happened in between. While the story is a typical underwhelming video game story I thought telling it from both the beginning and end simultaneously was ingenius and made me not just skip the cut scenes to get to the action.

And then Heroes aired with an episode that takes place 5 years in the future and raises a number of questions. I thought it was great.

And that's why I continue to watch the show. It is very entertaining, and it does tickle a comic book reader's comic bone. I've just met too many people who gush about how amazing the show's ideas are, and I have to point out that there is a source the writers are getting these arcs from.

[radmax]

The future is weird. Claire is alive, but Peter never met her or else he wouldn't have a scar.

Or like I said he did save her and the Hatian (who can nulify ppl's powers) was around when he got cut. Or...maybe he actually blew up and all his parts had to crawl back together...maybe it took so much out of him he never healed all the way fom it....or he is still healing from it. maybe is is taking him this long to heal from a blast like that.

Future Hiro said he stabbed Sylar in his past, but he was able to regenerate. How would that be possible seeing as Future Sylar just got Claire's power in Future Hiro's present?

Like I said...maybe he got Future Hiro's power to time travel. Future Hiro was shot and killed. It would be very easy for Future Sylar to go in there open his skull and get his power....THEN he goes back in time and Future Sylar is the one Present Hiro stabs.

Then that leaves two Sylars in the presnt...the Present Sylar and Future Sylar. What would happen if Present Sylar...hungry for more power...kills Future Sylar? Sure he would be giving himself a 5 year death sentence, but he would have all those powers. He is so blindsided for power I can see him doing that.


Really...time travel isn't that complicated. =)

[magunwarrior]

The space time continuum makes my brain hurt.

[tokenuser]

The space time continuum makes my brain hurt.You need beer and peanuts ... and know where your towel is.

[magunwarrior]

You need beer and peanuts ... and know where your towel is.

Haha nice.

[slowmy]

You need beer and peanuts ... and know where your towel is.

of course, where would i be without my wonderful towel.

i like the movie too, dont judge me.

[magunwarrior]

i like the movie too, dont judge me.

Half with you there, but it still didn't do as much justice as I would of liked.

[slowmy]

Half with you there, but it still didn't do as much justice as I would of liked.

no, but thats because the book is fairly short... and it seems they threw in some extra plotlines to fatten the movie up. you have to admit though, some parts were spot on... and bill nighy as slartibartfast was perfect (although he does remind me of neil from 'young ones')...


anywho, back to heroes, im suprised that jeff, being the comic book guy, didnt rip on the fact that the ep they reviewed totally was a "watchmen" rip off....
not that im bashing, i love this show.

[brian1625]

Apparently now we have to add Molly to the equation.

What trips me out is that they're bringing back a character that hasn't got much mention from episode 2 and 3! [Parkman saves her from Sylar in episode 3]

[kii]

Five Years Gone was amazing. Sadly, because of the Canadian trailer, I already had a suspicion that Sylar was impersonating Nathan.

The scene that totally blew me away was when Peter came to Ando and Future Hiro's rescue.

[darknessgp]

Apparently now we have to add Molly to the equation.

What trips me out is that they're bringing back a character that hasn't got much mention from episode 2 and 3! [Parkman saves her from Sylar in episode 3]

well. Perhaps she plays a bigger role in this then any one could have thought. Remember, the episode was set 5 years into the future. We have no idea what had happened in that 5 years and if they can be changed or not...

POSSIBLE SPOILER...





Future Hiro gave the message to save the cheerleader, save the world. Under the assumption that Sylar healed himself and that Sylar was the one that blew up... In this recent episode we find out that Claire is alive and somehow the future didn't change. i.e. Claire's power was a non-issue when the bomb goes off. This could lead to 2 possibilities. A) Future Sylar travels back in time and gets stabbed, saving his past self. And he heals now that he has Claire's power. B) Hiro really stabs Peter, and may not know it is Peter at the time.

[olpol]

So, there was a discussion on TRS Ep 6 about Heroes. The two episodes of Heroes before the 4 week break (Guys in America, what's the deal with that anyway?) were really good and even tugged at the heartstrings a little. But then as mentioned on TRS, the first episode back wasn't really all that great.

However! The latest episode "Five Years Gone" was great! I guess it must be the whole time travel factor but I think Ep 10, "Six Months Ago" and Ep 20, "Five Years Gone" (is a pattern forming?) are two of the best episodes so far. And I think Ep 20 was even cooler than Ep 10. Finding out how the characters had advanced (particularly Peter and Cylar), what future Hiro's timeline had been like, and how "goodies" turned into "baddies" and vice versa was really cool. There were a few little plot holes but that's always hard to avoid when dealing with time travel stories.
I'm hoping the next few episodes are up there with this one in terms of quality.

What did you guys think?

[ramshaw]

I think that both episodes since the hiatus have been great but I think Five Years Gone is the best episode of the season.

[wideawakewesley]

Like I said in the Lost thread, this week's Heroes and Lost were two of the best hours of TV I've watched in recent times.

Wes

[darknessgp]

... There were a few little plot holes but that's always hard to avoid when dealing with time travel stories.?

Like what specifically, cause I think it all made sense...

[olpol]

Like what specifically, cause I think it all made sense...

Well if you REALLY want to get into it then...

Like when Hiro gets arrested and Ando and Future-Hiro escape outside. Future-Hiro says they'll need to break Hiro out and send Ando and Hiro back to kill Cylar.

I think Future-Hiro could have just gone back 10 minutes into the past and told them all to get out before the cops arrived.
OR
Future-Hiro could have gone back 5 years and killed Cylar instead of saying that they'd need to send Hiro back to do it. Clearly Future-Hiro is more experienced with his powers and with his sword than Hiro so he'd be able to kill Cylar more easily than Hiro.
OR
Future-Hiro could go back 6 years into the past and kill Cylar before he had any powers.

etc etc.

[gi_josh]

I'm lovin' Heroes since it came back, and the time travel episode was so rad. However, speaking of that hiatus...what the HECK! Have you guys noticed that almost all of the popular shows on TV have done this as some point or another throughout the season? I recall Heroes, Lost, and House doing it, I'm sure there are more. What is the reason of this? Are they just trying to stretch the season out longer?

[tokenuser]

What is the reason of this?One word: ratings. They want the rating season to start on an high (season premier), and end on a high (season finale). Thats what helps the networks set the prices they can charge for advertising in a particular timesloit and for a particular show. Are they just trying to stretch the season out longer?Its all about the benjamins.

[sparks]

Are they just trying to stretch the season out longer?

In the case of Heroes the season has going to be much shorter, but when it became a hit they moved it up to a full season, so they had to take some time to shoot the new episodes

and when 24 took a 6 week break in the middle of season 3 it was because Kiefer got into a bar fight and had a black eye

[professio]

If I recall it was originally ABC's idea to do it with LOST because people were upset about having to watch repeats, by going on breaks there has never been a repeat on lost yet the season still started in Fall and ends in Spring.

[gi_josh]

One word: ratings. They want the rating season to start on an high (season premier), and end on a high (season finale). Thats what helps the networks set the prices they can charge for advertising in a particular timesloit and for a particular show.Its all about the benjamins.

This makes perfect sense, but it feels like they are raping their loyal fans just for a few bucks. They need to find a way to make cash without making it's core fan base kinda angry at them.

[kahunablair]

This makes perfect sense, but it feels like they are raping their loyal fans just for a few bucks. They need to find a way to make cash without making it's core fan base kinda angry at them.

Well they may be raping us, but quick question. Are we still watching?
If they can get away with pissing some people off with out losing them, and still make a buck, what should they do?
They could make a show that is 45 minute commercials and 15 minute actual show, and people would be pissed they'd stop watching. They might make some cash, but lose any future chance of making more.

So this situation may stink but it's the best option out there for the current model of television business. That being said, with Tivo, iTunes, and other non-traditional ways to watch shows, this model is in for a HUGE shift within the next few years. Nielson's ratings aren't going to be good representations of who watches what for much longer.

When they go away, so will Sweeps weeks and the long breaks (the money making ones, not the Keifers-Gotten-a-black-eye one).

[kahunablair]

Well I apparently killed the thread with my negativity so now I'm bringing it back...

What was everyones feeling towards last nights episode? Good stuff? Filler? What?

I personally liked it a lot. Not as good as some of the others, but it was still pretty darn good.

In case someone hasn't seen it yet I'll just say I loved the Linderman scene!

[stopikingonme]

Yea, nothing better than getting a "fist-in-the-brain". D.L. obviously lived though, did anyone else see in in the "Next time on Heroes.." during the credits?

I loved Hiro finally getting all badassed up in the scene with his father. Speaking of George Takai, did you know the first time we saw him he got into a limo and the license plate said NCC 1701http://i19.tinypic.com/2e1bns1.jpg

[kahunablair]

Of course DL lives, Sylar needs his power! Haha

I forgot to mention Bennett become a total hard @$$! Damn, he was harsh or what?

[wideawakewesley]

Heroes Introduces New Heroes

Tim Kring, creator and executive producer of Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming season finale will introduce new characters that will become central to the story in the second season. "There are several new characters coming in the immediate future," Kring said in an interview. "The idea of the show from the start was always to basically honor the origin story of the first sort of blush and discovery of these powers. And so, in order to do that, new characters will have to be cycled into the show. And by extension, older characters will cycle out of the show."

While the first year of the show was subtitled "Volume One: Genesis," the second season will be called "Volume Two: Generations."

"The idea of multiple generations has started to crop up on the show," Kring said. "And in the second season we will deal with that more, hence the title, 'Generations. ... The idea was that we wanted to make it easy for viewers to be able to come on in the second season. And we thought if we wrapped the show too tightly around itself so that you had to watch 23 episodes before, I would be harder for new viewer to find the show. And we always want to be a show that has the barrier of entry low enough so that new viewers can join if they want."

Kring confirmed that the show will indeed end on a cliffhanger, but one that hopefully won't be frustrating for the viewers. "No, I think it'll be intriguing more than frustrating," he said. "The idea was to end one idea of the show, one story, and then slingshot you into the next season."

---

'Heroes' Expands Universe with 'Origins'
Stand-alone episodes will help NBC cut down on repeats
By Rick Porter
May 14, 2007


Tim KringNEW YORK -- You want more "Heroes"? NBC is going to give you more "Heroes" next season.

The network has hit upon a way to keep the show repeat for nearly the entire season, ordering more episodes of the show and embarking on a quasi-spinoff called "Heroes: Origins." Combined, the shows will account for 30 original episodes next season.

"We've got something I call the 'bulk-up challenge' for next year, which is trying to stay more consistent in our scheduling for the audience," NBC chief Kevin Reilly told reporters Monday at a press conference announcing the network's 2007-08 schedule. "We asked ['Heroes' creator] Tim Kring to come up with an idea, and what I love is not only did we bulk up with 30 hours next season, but also a whole new idea which I think is going to take the show to the next level."

The "Origins" series will consist of six stand-alone episodes, with each one introducing a new character and telling his or her back story. They'll take place within the "Heroes" universe but won't be tied into the main arc of the series, although one or two regular characters may pop up.

It will also carry an interactive element: After all six "Origins" episodes air, viewers will be able to vote on which character joins the main show the following season.

The idea for "Origins" springs from positive fan reaction to several side characters introduced this season -- Reilly cites Charlie (Jayma Mays), the waitress with the perfect memory, as an example -- and a desire to avoid momentum-draining breaks like the one the show took earlier this spring.

"I don't think the audience minds taking a week off, particularly during the holidays," Reilly says. "It's just the long hiatuses or weeks worth of repeats where we get in trouble."

Just how the "Origins" episodes will be scheduled along with the main "Heroes" storyline has yet to be worked out. The most likely scenario, Reilly says, will be to have "Heroes" start its second season in the fall and run more or less straight through its 24 episodes, with perhaps a short break during the holidays. "Origins" would then follow at the end of the season. Another option would be to run "Origins" "as a chunk" in the spring, before the concluding episodes of "Heroes."

"I'll tell you one thing you won't see is 'Origins' peppered throughout," he says. "I think that would be difficult for the audience to navigate."

[kahunablair]

Last I heard that "Origins" was going to be made to take the Heroes timeslot, when the show takes it's hiatus for the spring.
I was under the impression the whole reason the show came about was to keep the veiwers in the Heroes mood, and not have the drop off Lost did.

[conedude13]

The show is currently slated for 6 episodes. The premis behind it is you see brand new heroes and how their power is both learned and controled, I guess to get you to connect with them more some how. Then, there is some sort of voting system. Vote for the heroe you like the most and you will see him/her in the regular heroe show when it returns next season.

Seems fun to me. I do like the voting aspect behind it. It should also give the writers a feel for what the general public likes. Hopefully it wont be as bad as the show that took over the Lost time slot during the Lost break.

[tokenuser]

BUMP: Because tonight is a big night.

Will Peter out power Sylar?
Will Hiro save Ando?
Will DL survive the gunshot?
Will Candice (the cute brunette who alters perception) reveal herself to be a big black woman?
Will Hiro kill Sylar?
Will Peter get the scar across his face?
Will Nathan step up to the bat and help out?
Will Molly survive and join Mr Bennet?
Will Parkman do anything remotely useful?

[kahunablair]

Will Peter out power Sylar? He friqqin better!

Will Hiro save Ando? Probably won't catch up to Ando in time

Will DL survive the gunshot? Yeah, he'll phase and the bullet will fall or something like that.

Will Candice (the cute brunette who alters perception) reveal herself to be a big black woman? Nope, she's a big old man. Hence the comic books. He's a geek with self esteem issues. The ultimate in cross dressing.

Will Hiro kill Sylar? Nope, he'll stab him and weaken him enough for Peter to take him out

Will Peter get the scar across his face? Nope, I doubt it will happen at all now

Will Nathan step up to the bat and help out? I'd like to think so. I think Nathan is actually going to save the day.

Will Molly survive and join Mr Bennet? She's gonna survive. They aren't going to kill a kid on network tv like that.

Will Parkman do anything remotely useful? Outside of being a tool for Bennet or Mohinder use? Probably not.

[sugarsickness]

why the parkman hate :[

[sparks]

why the parkman hate :[

I like Parkman, in the current timeline he seems like a great guy, but you have to admit he did turn into an ass in the future

[magunwarrior]

Will Peter out power Sylar?
Hopefully we get a bad ass battle between the two.
Will Hiro save Ando?
If Ando does try to kill Sylar, then no.
Will DL survive the gunshot?
I really really really really hope not.
Will Candice (the cute brunette who alters perception) reveal herself to be a big black woman?
My guess is Michael Jackson
Will Hiro kill Sylar?
Well if they wanted to finish the story arc then yeah.
Will Peter get the scar across his face?
I say no.
Will Nathan step up to the bat and help out?
He can fly, how exactly can he help, what is he going to do ram into Sylar?
Will Molly survive and join Mr Bennet?
See below
Will Parkman do anything remotely useful?
He'll accidentally fire his gun at Molly, he thinks bullets are made of candy.

[kahunablair]

Ok Here's how I think the Nathan's going to end up the hero.

Peter's going to start to go Nuclear, Nathan is going to try and talk him down. When he's not able to stop Peter, he's going to grab him and fly straight up.
The "Bomb" still goes off, but it does so miles up so the damage is minimal. Since Peter was the bomb, he won't be hurt, but Nathan will die.

[kahunablair]

why the parkman hate :[

The character was a lacky at the beginning of the series. When he discovered his powers he started to become a take control kind of guy. The past few episodes he's reverted back to following Ted's and Bennet's orders.

I personally really like the part, and the actor, but he really hasn't been much more then a tool these past few episodes.

[rickweasel]

I expected tokenuser to say same bat time, same bat channel. hahaha

[tokenuser]

I expected tokenuser to say same bat time, same bat channel. hahahaOK,OK ....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/CSBG/batman_dark_tomorrow_pow.jpg

Feel better now??

[magunwarrior]

Gah one more hour, I can't wait, letting 24 finale record. While the last few episodes have somewhat redeemed this season, still really disappointing, especially since season five was so awesome. But that's a rant for another day I suppose.

I will be pissed if we don't get a battle longer than 30 seconds from Peter and Sylar.

[kahunablair]

I'm really not getting my hopes up for the Sylar/Peter battle. It's not going to be able to meet the expectations they are setting up for it.

[magunwarrior]

Still Parkman and DL must die! I command it!

[magunwarrior]

I'll wait till tomorrow to start posting a spoiler review, just incase people haven't completly finished it.

But let me say, episode had some cool moments, but it was pretty meh.

[comhcinc]

i enjoyed it. good set up for the next season.

[magunwarrior]

i enjoyed it. good set up for the next season.

I agree very nice set up, at least there were no big ass cliffhangers.

[comhcinc]

yeah it wraps everything up, while giving you enough of a teaser to make you look forward to next season.

the ending reminded me of evil dead 2

[gojira]

It was good, but not great. I mean nothing really happened.

[magunwarrior]

I mean nothing really happened.

I'm not even going to address what's wrong with that statement.

[jivetrky]

I'm not even going to address what's wrong with that statement.

Yeah, nothing besides give us all the answers to which we were looking! :)

***SPOILER ALERT***











Oh and good call to the person that said Nathan would fly Peter away and save the day!

I LOVED the show...I thought it finished things just right. No annoying cliffhangers like most other shows will. And the teaser for next season was also perfect! (and who thinks that the lone guy on the horse [with the Heroes Symbol flag] is Sulu? (Hiro's dad) It sure looked like it in the eyes...and it would really make sense on why his Dad told him the stories about this guy when he was a kid and why he teleported there.

[comhcinc]

i was thinking more like that was Hiro's ancestor.


so is sylar dead? what do you think?

[magunwarrior]

i was thinking more like that was Hiro's ancestor.


so is sylar dead? what do you think?

Well the trail of blood leading to the sewers says no for me, he died in such a ***** way, they aren't going to kill him off that quickly.

[kahunablair]

Good season finale. Not great, but good. All in all, I'd say this was a pretty good first season for a new show.
Some thoughts...
-Everyone is agreed that Peter isn't dead right?

-Definitely Sulu in the Samurai ending scene. It makes the whole "I've waited a long time for a Nakumura to ascend" line from last episode make sense.

-So Molly is Mohinder's Cerebro unit huh? I kind of like that idea.

-Not to nitpick, but after all that happened, would you forget to mention that there should be a dead body sitting next to the manhole? How could Sylar have slipped away?? Haha, sometimes it's hard to suspend that much belief.

[sparks]

i was thinking more like that was Hiro's ancestor.


so is sylar dead? what do you think?

Nope, he is alive and semi-well in the sewers of New York

[comhcinc]

maybe he didn't slip away. maybe something took his body. and i really hope peter is dead. he blow up for ****'s sake

[magunwarrior]

Good season finale. Not great, but good. All in all, I'd say this was a pretty good first season for a new show.
Some thoughts...
-Everyone is agreed that Peter isn't dead right?

-Definitely Sulu in the Samurai ending scene. It makes the whole "I've waited a long time for a Nakumura to ascend" line from last episode make sense.

-So Molly is Mohinder's Cerebro unit huh? I kind of like that idea.

-Not to nitpick, but after all that happened, would you forget to mention that there should be a dead body sitting next to the manhole? How could Sylar have slipped away?? Haha, sometimes it's hard to suspend that much belief.

I know, I would think Bennett would get rid of that ****ing corpse and incinerate the ****er, and yes Peter is alive of course. Oh and Parkman got ****ing owned, I laughed so hard.

[kahunablair]

and i really hope peter is dead. he blow up for ****'s sake

Well there is a problem with that. Remember how no one was worried about Peter because he'll just use Claire ability to heal anything that happens to him? Plus Ted, never got hurt himself when he used his powers.

I'm pretty sure Peter is fine. It's Nathan I wonder about. I was thinking about it before this episode tonight, maybe he threw Peter, or dropped in and sped away in time.... just thinking.

[comhcinc]

yeah i know doesn't mean i like it. to me if you blow up you blow up. dead the end.

[jivetrky]

yeah i know doesn't mean i like it. to me if you blow up you blow up. dead the end.

Well I don't think he exactly blows up...more like he creates a nuclear blast.

I was kind of curious how the non healing people weren't getting burned or at least sick in some way when they were standing next to Peter as he was glowing.

[comhcinc]

i just think he is too powerful as a good guy. it's more interesting to me when the heroes have to work at beating the bad guys. once peter get to understand his powers he is pretty much unstoppable

[jivetrky]

i just think he is too powerful as a good guy. it's more interesting to me when the heroes have to work at beating the bad guys. once peter get to understand his powers he is pretty much unstoppable

Oh totally....he could be more powerful than Superman.

I'm curious about next season's bad guy. I wonder if it'll be this person the little girl said she didn't want to think of because he could see her. He sounds potentially ominous :)

[comhcinc]

yeah and i am sure we haven't saw the last of sylar

[jivetrky]

Hiro should have pulled a Highlander and hacked off his head after stabbing him!

[comhcinc]

not good for the story

[darknessgp]

Oh totally....he could be more powerful than Superman.

I'm curious about next season's bad guy. I wonder if it'll be this person the little girl said she didn't want to think of because he could see her. He sounds potentially ominous :)

My first guess as the old black man or the Petrelli's mother. But, I'd actually say that that is doubtful, it seems more likely that they will introduce him later. Could be the Petrelli father. Most likely it'll be one of the older group that "turned evil."

Anyone know why Peter couldn't fly himself?! Hello, absorbs people's powers when they are close enough.

Also, anyone else find it very anti-climatic when Mr. Bennet just came out and said "call me Noah"?

[comhcinc]

okay lets see. the black guy is dead, i don't see the mother as evil. i thought he could fly too, and no.

[sugarsickness]

Also, anyone else find it very anti-climatic when Mr. Bennet just came out and said "call me Noah"?

I really don't see how that was supposed to be some sort of big, dramatic moment anyway. While his lack of first name up until that point was interesting it was never really made out to be anything secretive or particularly important so it's delivery was probably only to make people go "Ahhh" and not "Ohhh!"

I liked the episode for the most part. It had some particularly bad, cheesy moments with horrendously stupid dialog but if it didn't then it wouldn't be a Heroes episode.

A question: When Peter was talking with Simone's father it wasn't really explained what was going on there. I assume that while Peter was lying on the ground he went into the past using Hiro's power and that is how he listened in on the conversation with his mother and stuff. This however doesn't explain while Simone's father could see Peter while invisible (Unless he has the power of invisibilty or some other power that allows him to see invisible people - which may also explain why him and Peter had that shared dream once?) or why he was still on the ground and 'woken up' by Bennet. The "You could do this all along" thing just seems like some sort of unnecessary Deus Ex Machina or something. I am confused. Peter's predictive visons of the future aren't explained either, he had those since the beginning too, and those were all non-interactive.

I always liked Nikki and now that she has learned to use her super human strength when her sister is 'away' I like her more. I just want a more clear cut definition of her sister's power because that isn't even hinted at, we really only have the fact that she is inside Nikki to make guesses on.

That ending scene had some of the worst dialog. "You saved the cheerleader... so we could save the world." I nearly vomited but it tasted like the hotdogs i had for dinner so I just swallowed it back and watched the ending. Isaac's paintings and Peter's visions were both wrong.

The "sneak peek" made me instantly think of Ninja Turtles III. I can't wait for Hiro to take some ancient Japanese people to the future and have them started eating pizza and playing arcade games and then not want to go back.

It was really good. I'm nots ure aobut this spin off business but I hope it is as entertaining.

[comhcinc]

A question: When Peter was talking with Simone's father it wasn't really explained what was going on there. I assume that while Peter was lying on the ground he went into the past using Hiro's power and that is how he listened in on the conversation with his mother and stuff. This however doesn't explain while Simone's father could see Peter while invisible (Unless he has the power of invisibilty or some other power that allows him to see invisible people - which may also explain why him and Peter had that shared dream once?) or why he was still on the ground and 'woken up' by Bennet. The "You could do this all along" thing just seems like some sort of unnecessary Deus Ex Machina or something. I am confused. Peter's predictive visons of the future aren't explained either, he had those since the beginning too, and those were all non-interactive. i think it was the old man that did that not peter

I always liked Nikki and now that she has learned to use her super human strength when her sister is 'away' I like her more. I just want a more clear cut definition of her sister's power because that isn't even hinted at, we really only have the fact that she is inside Nikki to make guesses on.
she is the Hulk. i think they messed her up in the espisode

[endoftheline]

Anyone know why Peter couldn't fly himself?! Hello, absorbs people's powers when they are close enough.

Peter's power isn't proximity based. He has on several occasions used powers when no where near the original source. (ie: in his training with Claude he was thrown onto the taxi and healed, while Claire was in Texas. not to mention he constantly goes invisible, with Claude no longer around. Ted's dead and he can still use his radiation....)

I think the reason he did not just fly up himself is because the overload of Ted's power weakens him.. or perhaps he can't use more than one power at a time. (although I can be proven wrong on this, but as far as we have seen I don't think he's used multiple powers simultaneously.)

As for the whole Peter being dead. Peter is my favorite character because he has the most potential, but I've always pretty much believed that if Sylar dies, Peter will die. Because the two balance each other and the sides of "good and evil". So you can't have one without the other or you throw the scales. well, perhaps not right now since Sylar's so crazy strong and Peter's still learning. (which I totally didn't buy Sylar's lame defeat...)

As of right now Peter is nowhere near the level Sylar is at... He must not of read too many comic books growing up because he totally under uses his abilities... he's really not very imaginative with his abilities. I mean any of us comic book geeks would have freaking unleashed the minute we found out we had powers, you know test the limits, try all the cool shit you'd read in comics. I totally would have become a Sylar, all power mad and crazy. sorry tangent.

But my point was since Sylar is possibly still alive, I'm pretty sure Peter will survive the explosion. Nathan's pretty much gone though.

[comhcinc]

you make a lot of good points




)(which I totally didn't buy Sylar's lame defeat...)

a sword through the gut is a "lame defeat"? let me stick you and let's see how well you get along.

[sugarsickness]

i think it was the old man that did that not peterAh, ok. That makes much more sense although I suppose it may also raise other questions. Simone had no known ability, but it seems that any child with a 'special' parent had an ability. Maybe you need two special people and her mother didn't have one. Or something. Not that it really amtters now I suppose :P

But my point was since Sylar is possibly still alive, I'm pretty sure Peter will survive the explosion. Nathan's pretty much gone though.Well, in the alternate future where Hiro isn't there to stab Sylar Peter was the bomb and he still survived so I think it is safe to assume he survived in the 'present'.

I agree with Peter's under use of his powers. Hell, until he read Claire's mind in the car I had forgotten he could do that.

Sylar's defeat was not lame at all. Swords are kewl. Plus he is very obviously alive. The cockroach on the sewer cover indicates that. Sylar can fake his death, he did it when he was captured earlier and faked death on that doctor guy.

[gojira]

Nobody died and they didn't kill Sylar. That's what I mean by nothing really happened. They stopped Sylar temporarily, and the bomb didn't go off in the city. For me, that really isn't season finale content. Nathan probably sacrificed himself, but who didn't see that coming. And he could still live since they didn't show him die. It was a very safe finale if you ask me. I'm not saying it sucked, it just merely good not great.

[gi_josh]

I was really let down by the whole episode. Do you guys remember early on when Peter had a vision of the bomb, and he saw a crowded NY street, during the day, with Suresh getting out of a Taxi and people everywhere running away from a freakin' exploding man? That felt epic. What they gave us here was a back alley open square, no street, no pedestrians, and not as much multiple-hero-working-together. it almost felt like someone pussied out and decided not to show NY under a possible "terrorist" attack, thinking it might hit too close to home...so instead of a NY street we get generic plaza that could be in any city in the world.

Also, There were several large plot holes for me. One, why does Nathan have to fly Peter up in the sky? If he had just let Claire shoot him, Then only Peter would have gotten put down, and Nathan would have been fine. There was no need for him to sacrifice himself. Also, even if Claire shot him, Peter wouldn't have actually died because he has Claire's ability. You could just shoot him to diffuse the bomb and everyone would still be good.

If you ask me, the writers wrote themselves into a corner with several of the characters (which made for good TV up until now) and they didn't know how to resolve their plights and get them to the big bomb in time. That's why we had too muck Nikki and DL and why Mr. Bennet felt strangely out of character this whole episode. I know that a lot of stuff had to be thrown in to set things up for next season (Peter's visit to the old black man, Sylar's
"escape", Hiro at the end, Molly teasing about a man that can see her when she thinks about him) but it felt like those teasers came at the expense of a great season finale.

[tokenuser]

I'm curious about next season's bad guy. I wonder if it'll be this person the little girl said she didn't want to think of because he could see her. He sounds potentially ominous :)That got me wondering as well ... then they showed the conversation between Peter and Deveraux <? - black guy that Peter looked after as a nurse>. Kinda sorta matches.

So - to my questions ...

Will Peter out power Sylar?
Will Hiro save Ando?
Will DL survive the gunshot?
Will Candice (the cute brunette who alters perception) reveal herself to be a big black woman?
Will Hiro kill Sylar?
Will Peter get the scar across his face?
Will Nathan step up to the bat and help out?
Will Molly survive and join Mr Bennet?
Will Parkman do anything remotely useful?Yes, Yes, Yes, No (thank God), Maybe (but that image of the cockroach? Ever stabbed a roach? those things survive anything - did Sylar absorb someone power to turn into an animal?), Not that we saw, Yes, Yes - Probably, Not so much.

[originalmagneto]

Peter has to have his "claire healing power" on when he dies, otherwise he cannot regenerate. And also I think that he can use only one power at a time (maybe his powers will evolve someday...) When he uses Ted`s power, he cannot use Claire`s power, so when she would have shot him, he would die for good...i think. So that is why the writers had to come up with something else... :p

[radmax]

a sword through the gut is a "lame defeat"? let me stick you and let's see how well you get along.

it is a total lame defeat for someone like Sylar....he is too powerful to go down like that. Sylar can stop bullets and tons of other types of attacks. Are they saying he can't stop Hiro when he actually has time to say "You?"? I mean Hiro didn't do anything different from the last two attacks...in fact he did less by not even stopping time.



Oh and someone mentioned they weren't sure if Peter can use more than one power at once...I know he has been invisible and used telekenisis.


Over all this is one of the lamest episodes I have ever seen of a show that has such high potential of being great.

There are so many plot holes with the future episode now it is not even funny. I take it the "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" refered to Claire showing Nathan there is always a choice....but Claire was alive in that future...so Nathan would have been convinced in that future's past and Sylar would have died since Claire did turn out to be how he survived Hiro's attack.


I have loved this show from the get go, but I am now wondering if I am even going to watch it next season.

[comhcinc]

it is a total lame defeat for someone like Sylar....he is too powerful to go down like that. Sylar can stop bullets and tons of other types of attacks. Are they saying he can't stop Hiro when he actually has time to say "You?"? I mean Hiro didn't do anything different from the last two attacks...in fact he did less by not even stopping time.
well Sylar was dealing with alot of stuff and Hiro caught him by surpise. how would you kill him?



Over all this is one of the lamest episodes I have ever seen of a show that has such high potential of being great.
i see this alot. people pump themselves up for something and then it never lives up to what they had in their mind. take some friendly advice and learn to tune out all the "buzz" that's why you never see me taking part in all the speculation that goes on here. not for real.
There are so many plot holes with the future episode now it is not even funny. I take it the "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" refered to Claire showing Nathan there is always a choice....but Claire was alive in that future...so Nathan would have been convinced in that future's past and Sylar would have died since Claire did turn out to be how he survived Hiro's attack.

we didn't see that whole storyline, so we don't know what did and didn't happen. what we do know is that Nathan is dead and Sylar is pretending to be him.

[godmode]

This was a completely lame season finale. NBC has been teasing the Peter vs. Sylar fight almost all season, and they end like this?

p.s. Nikki storyline sucks and should not return next season.

[radmax]

well Sylar was dealing with alot of stuff and Hiro caught him by surpise. how would you kill him?

Dealing with a lot of stuff? Really? That's not an excuse. The dude was able to stop bullets like Neo. I am pretty sure he could have handled Hiro running at him.

How would I have liked to see him die? Wel,l I would have liked to have seen a better fight between Sylar and Peter. It's not about what I expect...they built this one moment up to be such a turning point and then they drop the ball.




i see this alot. people pump themselves up for something and then it never lives up to what they had in their mind. take some friendly advice and learn to tune out all the "buzz" that's why you never see me taking part in all the speculation that goes on here. not for real.

I really didn't have any expectations other than some of the great episodes this show has had. I really don't talk to anyone about this show and I really don't hear much hype on it at all.

It's unfair to take an opinion of something being really...really bad and chalk it up to high expectations.

Crap is crap.


we didn't see that whole storyline, so we don't know what did and didn't happen. what we do know is that Nathan is dead and Sylar is pretending to be him.

We didn't see the whole storyline, but what we did see doesn't pan out if you really look at it. The whole thing with Claire being alive in that future throws everything else off.

Time travel is a hard thing to pull off in fiction and the writer's didn't do it well at all. I seriously think they didn't have this all planned out and they made it up on the fly...and it shows.

When Hiro saw the bomb go off it was broad daylight...last night it took place at night.

If Claire died then HRG and Ted would have never went to that building to stop the tracking device. Peter and Sylar would have never gotten Ted's powers. The bomb wouldn't have gone off at all.

[comhcinc]

Dealing with a lot of stuff? Really? That's not an excuse. The dude was able to stop bullets like Neo. I am pretty sure he could have handled Hiro running at him.

How would I have liked to see him die? Wel,l I would have liked to have seen a better fight between Sylar and Peter. It's not about what I expect...they built this one moment up to be such a turning point and then they drop the ball.


i dont know who neo is but it was shown that sylar had to concentrate to pull this stuff off. more to the point for me it just seemed like he was surpised to see Hiro. it's like he had every thing planned out, but he had already wrote Hiro off. very Dr. Doom





It's unfair to take an opinion of something being really...really bad and chalk it up to high expectations.

you might not be doing it but people do it all the time.


We didn't see the whole storyline, but what we did see doesn't pan out if you really look at it. The whole thing with Claire being alive in that future throws everything else off.

Time travel is a hard thing to pull off in fiction and the writer's didn't do it well at all. I seriously think they didn't have this all planned out and they made it up on the fly...and it shows.

When Hiro saw the bomb go off it was broad daylight...last night it took place at night.

If Claire died then HRG and Ted would have never went to that building to stop the tracking device. Peter and Sylar would have never gotten Ted's powers. The bomb wouldn't have gone off at all.
you are assuming to much. who knows how many things changed.

[radmax]

i dont know who neo is but it was shown that sylar had to concentrate to pull this stuff off. more to the point for me it just seemed like he was surpised to see Hiro. it's like he had every thing planned out, but he had already wrote Hiro off. very Dr. Doom

Neo is the main character in The Matrix.

Sorry, but I think bullets flying at you will catch you off guard more so than a guy running at you with a sword.

Concentrate? Him stopping the bullets was a reflex...and if your reflexes are able to do that then a dude running at you will give you plenty of time to "concentrate".

Why would he have written him off? Is Sylar retarded? Hiro totally pulled one over on him when he saved Ando.

Sylar saw the comic book..so he should be extra aware of a dude that can teleport and stop time.



you are assuming to much. who knows how many things changed.

Assuming too much? I am just going by what they have been saying and showing us all season. All the events that happened and the future that may or may not still happen don't add up to eachother.

When you watch the Future Episode you don't have to read into anything to see that writer's don't have a grasp of the "web of events".

Most time travel stories are full of plot holes...this series is just one of the worst ones when it comes to it though.

[comhcinc]

Neo is the main character in The Matrix.

Sorry, but I think bullets flying at you will catch you off guard more so than a guy running at you with a sword.

Concentrate? Him stopping the bullets was a reflex...and if your reflexes are able to do that then a dude running at you will give you plenty of time to "concentrate".

Why would he have written him off? Is Sylar retarded? Hiro totally pulled one over on him when he saved Ando.

Sylar saw the comic book..so he should be extra aware of a dude that can teleport and stop time.
you forget a key element of sylar. he is arrogant. and like all super powerful evil dudes his arrogance is his downfall.

[radmax]

you forget a key element of sylar. he is arrogant. and like all super powerful evil dudes his arrogance is his downfall.

totally agree,but i just think it was a weak way to end this volume in many...many ways.

[tokenuser]

totally agree,but i just think it was a weak way to end this volume in many...many ways.Perhaps ... but then again LoTR was a pretty weak ending, but set things up for Two Towers ... and you have to admit that the teaser beginning of volume 2 looks great :)

Not a strong episode, but it wrapped up a lot of loose ends, and leaves you wanting more ... unlike the 2 hour 24 finale ... which had me going "meh, are we going to have wandering Jack being found in a bar in Utah" in the next series.

[unfettered1]

Could the invisible man be who she was talking about? In a past "dream", he was present when the bomb goes off and laughing....maybe not. The dreams were not accuarte anyway.

[gi_josh]

Molly talking about the "one man" she can't see because he can see her was almost painful to watch in its blatant setting up for next season...ridiculous. I was happy When Bennet finally was like "Ok, so about that Sylar fellow"

[radmax]

Perhaps ... but then again LoTR was a pretty weak ending, but set things up for Two Towers ... and you have to admit that the teaser beginning of volume 2 looks great :)

Not a strong episode, but it wrapped up a lot of loose ends, and leaves you wanting more ... unlike the 2 hour 24 finale ... which had me going "meh, are we going to have wandering Jack being found in a bar in Utah" in the next series.

Actually the fact that I invested so much time into watching the season to have such a poor payoff makes me not really care about next's season's TMNT 3: Turtles in Time.

[johnnyswift]

I would have to agree with some of the people here: the season finale was a bit of a anti-climatic disappointment. It just seemed so rushed. Perhaps a 2 hour finale would have worked better? Then maybe we could have seen a decent ending standoff.

As for the build up for next season...meh. It didn't show enough to get me excited.

Like someone said - it reminded me of Evil Dead 2. So in many ways that's pretty cool.

I enjoyed the first season enough to invest my time to watch the second. I just hope it ends with a bang and not with a whimper like the first.

[endoftheline]

it is a total lame defeat for someone like Sylar....he is too powerful to go down like that. Sylar can stop bullets and tons of other types of attacks. Are they saying he can't stop Hiro when he actually has time to say "You?"? I mean Hiro didn't do anything different from the last two attacks...in fact he did less by not even stopping time.

Oh and someone mentioned they weren't sure if Peter can use more than one power at once...I know he has been invisible and used telekenisis.

Thank you this is precisely why I feel his defeat was lame. Yeah sure I like katanas as much as everyone else, but the fact that Hiro had time to walk up to him at a leisurely pace and run him through.. while he was even facing him.. okay not believable to me. Not after everything Sylar displayed so far.

If it were done over I think they should have done more with the multiple attacks. Thereby making it believable that he was distracted. Like have Peter, or even Jessica, hit him with some objects, use some TK or something then as he is in mid-fall or whatever have Hiro appear and run him through. (in a split second too, and maybe even just from behind... because that's probably the only way I'd believe Sylar would be caught off guard by a sword.)

About RadMax's comment on Peter using both telekinesis and flight.. when was that exactly... because if you are talking about the scene with claude. He stops the tasers with TK... THEN throws Claude off the building and uses flight. but not both at the same time.

[comhcinc]

Thank you this is precisely why I feel his defeat was lame. Yeah sure I like katanas as much as everyone else, but the fact that Hiro had time to walk up to him at a leisurely pace and run him through.. while he was even facing him.. okay not believable to me. Not after everything Sylar displayed so far.

arrogance. he's a cocky bastard. that's how General Zod was beat, that's how Dr. Doom is always beat.

[darknessgp]

I think Peter couldn't fly by himself because he was so focused on stopping himself from blowing up that he couldn't tap into that power. and basically he can use people he's come into contact with indefinitely. Remember in the 5 years later episode he still uses Ted and Claude's power.

[kahunablair]

The reason Peter couldn't fly is the same reason why he couldn't turn off Ted's power. He needs to relax and not freak out. Remember the whole Claude training him episodes? He kept telling him he had to calm down and use the powers when he needs them. I'd like to think that if he was able to calm down, then maybe he wouldn't be having a problem not going nuclear.

[radmax]

About RadMax's comment on Peter using both telekinesis and flight.. when was that exactly... because if you are talking about the scene with claude. He stops the tasers with TK... THEN throws Claude off the building and uses flight. but not both at the same time.

I am pretty sure when he is fighting Isac (before Simone is shot) he is using multiple powers at the same time. I know he is invisible and I am pretty sure he is doing other things, but he could just be throwing stuff and we can't see that.

The thing is...it doesn't matter because the writer's will do what they want...even if it doesn't hold up to previous actions.

[comhcinc]

The reason Peter couldn't fly is the same reason why he couldn't turn off Ted's power. He needs to relax and not freak out. Remember the whole Claude training him episodes? He kept telling him he had to calm down and use the powers when he needs them. I'd like to think that if he was able to calm down, then maybe he wouldn't be having a problem not going nuclear.

good points.

[radmax]

arrogance. he's a cocky bastard. that's how General Zod was beat, that's how Dr. Doom is always beat.

There is a difference between being cocky and not doing anything when someone is running up to you with a sword and there are multiple things you can do stop him...and you have stoped him before (even with time frozen)...and you saw a comic in which you are depicted as being killed by a guy with a sword.

The thing is..I don't even think he is dead.

[kahunablair]

The thing is..I don't even think he is dead.

Of course he's not dead! He just slid his bleeding butt down into the sewer. Plus any other doubt can be even futher dashed with the Cockroach being the last shot. The cockroach was mentioned before during one of the Mohinder opening monolouges. It was pretty much to the effect that they'll never die, always survive, darwinism, blah blah blah.
Plus the cockroach has always popped up in the Sylar storyline. The main one that comes to mind is him on the floor of the Primatech in the coma. The cockroach was crawling all over him.

[carbon-eclectic]

Compared to the episode where Hiro and Ando went into the future, the season (or volume) finale was calmer than a comatose kitten.

http://www.shedonist.net/photoWeek/cat_nap_4209.jpg

[kahunablair]

I've been thinking about the finale, and I think I understand why it all played out the way it did. Now I'm not saying I think it was a good idea (I still am not that happy with it) but here goes...

They're trying really hard to make this a "REAL" super hero show, no spandex, no capes, nothing to over the top. So I think they didn't want a huge fight scene on purpose. No one could really join in and help Peter because they wanted it to seem like a "Real" fight.

Imagine you're outside of a bar and see a couple of guys fighting, and everyone else standing around watching. Maybe one or two of the one guys buddies might try to stop the fight but more likely everyone is just going to sit back and watch. So no Justice League-esque action here.

It's almost like the writers were so worried about going over the top that they never really left the ground.

[carbon-eclectic]

It's just a shame that the season goes out on such a "meh" note (minus the feudal Japan tease).

I was expecting to see an epic battle like the one they hinted about when Sylar and Peter were fighting all ice vs. fire style in the future.

[magunwarrior]

Well that brings us to the reason it was so meh.

"Five Years Gone" was probably the best thing I've seen on television this year.

After that episode, how could the finale top it?

[jasonb]

Well with the finale finally aired what is everyone's thoughts on it??

[tokenuser]

Why doesn't Peter just grab Sylar's "figure out how it works by slicing open the skull" power .... and slice open Sylar's skull.
I suspect Grandma Petrelli (well, she is Claire's grandmother) is going to play a bigger part in the future.

[magunwarrior]

I'm very interested to see how she is really involved and what her power is. She seemed to be more of the brains behind the operation.

[darknessgp]

Why doesn't Peter just grab Sylar's "figure out how it works by slicing open the skull" power .... and slice open Sylar's skull.
I suspect Grandma Petrelli (well, she is Claire's grandmother) is going to play a bigger part in the future.

Peter already has Sylar's telekinesis,which is what Sylar uses to cut skulls open. It makes no sense for Peter to get Sylar's stealing ability. As A) no need for it and B) No one knows how it really works, but just that he gets access to the brain and gets it.

I think with the next Volume (Season) being called Generations that it'll be about the older group that supposedly had a split and all.

[magunwarrior]

Yeah, my theory is that Hiro will gradualy travel through time each episode and slowly chronicle Linderman's group.

Oh and I'm pretty sure Sylar just eats their brain.

[unfettered1]

Maybe Claire's gandmother is really a man.....I'm really interested how the spin-off is going to work. I'm glad though that some characters will go into the 2nd main season.

[magunwarrior]

Well from what I understand, sometime in June or July, there will be a six episode miniseries you could call it, then viewers vote for the ones they like.

No Parkmans this time okay?

[kahunablair]

I don't think that Sylar's real power was the ability to eat brains. So I doubt thats what Peter would take from him. Sylar's main ability is to see how things work and to see how they can be "Fixed" or made better. He then uses that to see what makes the other people's powers tick and somehow eats the brain/disects it/whatever to get their power. So his main power isn't eating the brains, that's just the after effect.

[jasonb]

Ok there are ALOT of theories already spreading around about season 2 and what might be rought from it. With Hiro accidently, or maybe on purpose, went back to the time of Kensei. This would account for what future Hiro said in the episode "5 years past" where he admited he was a 5th level bushido master. (or something to that effect) His story will probably learning that his lineage, or that lunar eclipse, is the cause of his powers in his family line. (obviously his dad has powers as well but we dont know what)

I dobut Tim Kring would explain the Linderman group as easily as letting Hiro have a first hand veiw of what happened during its formation, rather im sure it will slowly come to light over time. Claire's grandmother might even begin to enact a new plan in season 2. Knowing characters that have gone through as much trouble as Lenderman there is always a plan B. Something disasterous that will unite and heal the world. Its hard to understand what other plans Lenderman might have, or what other secret pantings Issac painted before his well foretold death.

The future in and of itself is now up in the air. With the bomb averted claire heading back to odessa, texas. Niki and Dl heading for home, and Parkman and Suresh taking care of Molly. Peter and Nathan, well Peter is most definatly alive; nathan....that all depends. He could have surived by flying high enough to save the city throwing Peter away from him and booking it the hell out of the blast radius. Chances are if that is the case he will be a horribly burned across his entire body.

Finally who is this other villan, stronger than sylar and has the ability to stare right back at molly when she wants fo find him. Thats a powerful villan, definatly one you dont want to piss off. Could it be one of the member of Lenderman's group that has gone astray, could they have formed their own secret society to try and twist the world's events to their own end. Or perhaps Lenderman has been the villan all along trying to control the most powerful nation in the world by controling its leader. Only time and Tim Kring will tell.

Also I like how the creators always keep you guessin the series. You thought that because of the inference by the heroes the future might be diverted, heading in a different direction. But then Lenderman, the future episode, an the eventual turn of Nathans character made it always look like that the bomb would be going off the only question was who it was going to be, peter or sylar.

[magunwarrior]

Well Linderman is probably dead, DL phased through his skull and probably crushed his brain, so I doubt the person Molly was talking about was him.

[darknessgp]

...
Finally who is this other villan, stronger than sylar and has the ability to stare right back at molly when she wants fo find him. Thats a powerful villan, definatly one you dont want to piss off. Could it be one of the member of Lenderman's group that has gone astray, could they have formed their own secret society to try and twist the world's events to their own end. Or perhaps Lenderman has been the villan all along trying to control the most powerful nation in the world by controling its leader. Only time and Tim Kring will tell...

I don't think it was Linderman... Has to be someone with a psychic ability, I'm guessing someone we have yet to see. And who said that he is stronger than sylar? Molly just said she was scared of him cause he could see her when she looked for him. She never said that he actually did anything... It could very well be Peter and Nathan's dad. We know that he was at least financially involved with Linderman, so at the least I bet we will see him if they do a Linderman's group storyline. Anyways, all theories. I just can't wait until next season.

magunwarrior, it very well could have been Linderman. Remember molly says she doesn't like to think about him because he could see her... so she wouldn't know if he was gone or not, but I don't think it is him - see above paragraph. Also, just because Molly said it doesn't mean it has any meaning or will be played out, although with the way things have been going with Heroes its more likely than if it was a different show.

[magunwarrior]

Yeah, Linderman really doesn't seem evil too me though, maybe misguided and deluded, but not really evil.

[kahunablair]

Linderman's misguidedness is what actually made him great villain.
Take Magneto for instance. He's one of the best villains ever, just because his background is tragic, and you can see where his outlook actually could be good in his eyes. The best Villains are the ones that under another circumstance, they'd be the hero.

[magunwarrior]

It's kind of sucks he died so soon, after all this lead up of hearing about him as this uber mobster, he gets killed by the second lamest character in the show.

[kahunablair]

Well the things is, I think they were planning on him dying from the beginning. After all, you could have him being a "Good" bad guy, or you can have Mama Patrelli being a "Good" bad girl. There will be more tension this way.

[unfettered1]

Damnit, I wish they killed Sylar and move on. I wanted Hiro to tear him up....then chop his cap off. Yeah, not very Hiro like

[jasonb]

I think you guys have missed the point of what i meant. The man that molly sees is obviously a villan. However if you listen to a few of Lenderman's speeches he does mention that there was a considerably larger group of other heroes who went astray with their powers. So he decided to try and heal the world though the bomb going off.....and then have nathan gather the world together.

As for it being peter and nathans dad.....he's dead. That was the whole reason nathan was in the position he was in at the begging of the series. He died in the 6 months prior episode that occured around mid season. Most likely the villian is some forgotten memeber of the group that split apart at some earlier time.

[unfettered1]

could Molly be talking about the Haitian?

[psbp516]

I thought that it was pretty obvious that the evil guy is one of the japanese warriors from the past....actually that was incredibly obvious.

plus this show is disappointing as hell....

[unfettered1]

yeah...comes back with Hiro but can't see how Molly would be able to track him. That would need a hell of an explaination.

[psbp516]

yeah...comes back with Hiro but can't see how Molly would be able to track him. That would need a hell of an explaination.

he's immortal. don't you read the comic!

[unfettered1]

nope...got pissed with its overly small or overlyhuge screen size...and diggnation and trs take up my off-work time.

[gi_josh]

It's kind of sucks he died so soon, after all this lead up of hearing about him as this uber mobster, he gets killed by the second lamest character in the show.

Second lamest? I'm pretty sure DL cound be counted as the lamest...who's your first lamest?

[tokenuser]

Second lamest? I'm pretty sure DL cound be counted as the lamest...who's your first lamest?The guy that could recite Pi to 100000 places was pretty lame. I am almost glad that he was one of the first Sylar hit.

[stopikingonme]

I like the hero that can put her whole fist in her mouth. To me that's what a hero is all about.

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[gi_josh]

I like the hero that can put her whole fist in her mouth. To me that's what a hero is all about.

jyYcrSsru3A

That's awesome. But I totally want to be able to do that straw playing thing, that was badass.

[carbon-eclectic]

Haha, is there any more?

Head kicking guy in the mirror....classic.

[radmax]

I thought that it was pretty obvious that the evil guy is one of the japanese warriors from the past....actually that was incredibly obvious.

plus this show is disappointing as hell....

Dude...How is it "incredibly obvious" that it was one of the japanese warriors from the past?

We just saw a group of them and then finally the guy who looks like the guy Hiro has grew up hearing about from his dad...who I think actually is his dad.

How would Molly be talking about the japanese warriors?

[radmax]

i dated a girl that could put her fist in her mouth...ubber hot.

[stopikingonme]

i dated a girl that could put her fist in her mouth...ubber hot.

Well I'm glad someone got my intended inuendo ;)


Also, I went to watch my TIVOed Heroes and was engrossed in it up until the ending when the screen went to Volume II....and I though,"Oh man this is going to be awesome". And then the TIVO went straight to "playback over". It frakken cut the end off!!!

[kahunablair]

You really didn't miss much. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube or something.

[stopikingonme]

You really didn't miss much. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube or something.

The ending clip just made front page on digg. THank you internet.....thank you.

[tokenuser]

Well I'm glad someone got my intended inuendo ;)


Also, I went to watch my TIVOed Heroes and was engrossed in it up until the ending when the screen went to Volume II....and I though,"Oh man this is going to be awesome". And then the TIVO went straight to "playback over". It frakken cut the end off!!!I have had the same problem on my cable DVR ... the program schedule changes and suddenly a show that was from 9:00-10:00 goes from 9:00-10:02 ... and it doesn't get recorded, or it clips the last 2 minutes. I do a check on upcoming programs every couple of days now to make sure that doesn't happen.

[darknessgp]

I thought that it was pretty obvious that the evil guy is one of the japanese warriors from the past....actually that was incredibly obvious.

plus this show is disappointing as hell....

incredibly obvious? You read the comics, when I'm guessing it came out and told you who he is, powers, etc. It isn't obvious to anyone not reading those damn online comics. (personally I don't like them because at least the first ones would have characters going against what you think the show's characters were)

[kahunablair]

Hey guys, I was just reading a reveiw of Claremont's issues of Exiles, and what did I read?
The Bladesmith from Hiro's story, was none other the Chris Claremont himself?
I googled it and there are a few sites mentioning it, but nothing 100%. The one picture I was able to find online, wasn't very good, but I could see how it may be the same guy.

Anyone hear anything about this? It seems if it was him, it would be appropriate since it feels like the majority of story lines for the show are taken from his run in XMen.

[magunwarrior]

Second lamest? I'm pretty sure DL cound be counted as the lamest...who's your first lamest?

As far as main characters, here's my hierarchy of awesomeness

1:Sylar
2:Peter
3:Hiro
4:Claire
5:Claude (probably will never see him again, I really liked him though)
6:Ted (Only because he looks like those cavemen from the Geico commercials)
7:Nikki
8:Mica (Or however you spell the little mouth breather's name)
9:Nikki
10: DL
11:Parkman (I hope he dies, I don't want to see him anymore, I'm tired of him and his lame story arcs.)

[kahunablair]

I'm pretty much in agreement except for Parkman. I really like the actor, but hate how theyv'e used him these last few episodes.

Here's mine, I added Candice and combined Nikki and Jessica

1:Sylar
2:Peter
3:Hiro
4:Claude
5:Parkman
6:Candice
7:Claire
8:Nikki/Jessica
9:Ted (The guy was pretty much a glorified plot device)
10:Micah
11:DL

[jivetrky]

I only hope that Peter gets good at using his powers...then he'll be number one on the list. He has the potential to be incredibly powerful. Luckily they've made him out to be someone with great heart and stuff...so hopefully he never turns bad. If he did though he'd be one incredible, almost unstoppable badguy :)

[magunwarrior]

That's why I put Sylar on top, because he is what I wish Peter was. Eventually when he really learns how to learn his powers, we'll get some bad ass moments like when he busts throught the door and storms Homeland Security in the future episode, but this time in the actual story arc.

[tokenuser]

"Traditionally" :

Every hero needs an arch enemy - Peter has Sylar.
Every hero needs a journey of discovery - Hiro had his journey.
Every hero has internal conflict - Jessica has Nikki / Nikki has Jessica
Every hero has a secret past - Claire is discovering her past.
Every hero has trusted "non hero" in danger because they know their secret - Ando and Noah (I am glad we now know his name:) )
Every hero has a doctor trying to unlock the secret of their ability - Saresh.
At the heart of every hero is someone looking for acceptance - Parkman will do what ever any asks (GROW A SPINE MATT!)

So, we have one super villain, a couple of minor ones (known or hinted at), and an ensemble cast of heroes that borrow from popular comic culture like a caricature - exaggerating the particular hero quality they embody so that is almost a parody of what it means in "traditional" hero culture.

Great first volume, setting up the series for a much longer arc. Took a long time for the threads to start coming together, so I hope that new heroes can be added as readily as new villains.

[terraindown]

Ok sorry if i'm saying things people have already said but i've not read all the posts.. not that i'm not interested lol its just that i wanted to say this :) i'll read them all when i have more time!

Ok dokie.. Heroes Volume One was TOTALLY RAD lol i only wanted more fighting between Peter and Syler but other words awesome!

Volume two looks to be good.. the guy on the horse I think IS Hiro's Dad! That would make sense because his Dad is a sword fighter! And prolly has the same timetravler abilites as Hiro!

One of the next bad guys i think is the man that Molly spoke of before she located Syler! The guy who can see her when he thinks about her who's worse that the "boogie man"!

They showed us Syler has escaped into the sewers so that leads me to believe that Syler will be in Volume 2.. there were also various other things that was set up... we have yet to see Hiro face a dinosaur! :D

[kahunablair]

we have yet to see Hiro face a dinosaur! :D

Welcome to the thread my man.
The Hiro/Dinosaur scene already happened. The dinosaur was a fake one in the museum, but it still was the same scene as the painting.

The one Issac drawing/painting that hasn't happened yet is posted below. I'm pretty sure that's Hiro. So when is this one going to happen? Is this the new Big Bad that Molly is so afraid of?

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/23/f_uluru1m_5aa564c.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?srv=img03&img=/8/5/23/f_uluru1m_5aa564c.jpg)

[velho]

First post. I have avoided online forums like the plague, but Heroes and the sanity of this thread have drawn me out......so here are my thoughts:

Sylar (woah, almost like Skylar- never noticed that before) - the way he got "killed" was lame. He had serious control of his powers so a bul lrush doesn't seem like it would work.

What I would have liked to see was Hiro in a Nightcrawler kind of attack - pop pop pop all over, spinning Sylar around until he got the money strike through the gut. Maybe with that happening at the same time as Peter attacking.

Peter - If he gets control of the powers (and secure in himself), he will be too powerful (kind of like Phoenix (at least how I recall her from reading X Men 15 years ago - too bad ass to realistically stop). "Luckily" he can't control it all that well. That seems to me to be the reason he didn't fly away himself. He's doesn't have the strongest constitution or is all that savvy (which is why we have Nathan) so I'm not sure he even thought of it.

Even is Claire had capped him, it would have only been a temporary stop/defusal. Since he can't control it, he may have blown some other time, so let's get it taken care of now (a bit lame, I agree, but hey.....)

An open question I have on him is that, since he exploded, and Claire'd himself back to health, does he still have Ted's power? or is it gone?

Kitty Pride + Initiative = DL. Nice way to take Linderman out though. If they weren't on network TV, they could have gotten real creative with that (take his heart hand it to him).

Kinseo = Sulu

Zeroes parody in previous post of the thread was funny.

Overall, I thought the finale was pretty good. Much better than the Mars finale. That much is for sure.

My $0.02.

[magunwarrior]

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/23/f_uluru1m_5aa564c.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?srv=img03&img=/8/5/23/f_uluru1m_5aa564c.jpg)

Possibly just an allegory to Hiro standing up to Sylar.

Or maybe the new baddy Molly was referring too.

[unfettered1]

1:Hiro
2:Peter
3:Claude
4:Clair
5:Sylar( I hated Sylar, the character. Powers were way better then 6-11, but again he was rather annoying)
6:Ted
7:Parkman
8:Candice
9:Mica
10:Nikki
11:DL

[inhalent]

Possibly just an allegory to Hiro standing up to Sylar.


Thus far everything Issac has painted has been mirrored almost exactly in an episode. So I wonder how this is going to play out..

[unfettered1]

well, besides the bomb going off...

[magunwarrior]

well, besides the bomb going off...

Well it did go off, and did Hiro ever actually fight a dinosaur? No but he stood in front of one.

[unfettered1]

dang it..that was stupid...err I meant the bomb going off in New York killing half the population.

[magunwarrior]

It's not like the painting said that people would die, it only showed an exploding man, and another showing an explosion will happen in New York.

[inhalent]

dang it..that was stupid...err I meant the bomb going off in New York killing half the population.

well the bomb DID go off in dream sequences, im not saying the paintings have happened in the actual storyline, im just saying they have always matched an actual scene. It seems...

[unfettered1]

Still wish they killed off Sylar...good actor though because I hated him.

[magunwarrior]

Bah, he'll always be little Adam Kaufman from season 3 of 24 to me.

[unfettered1]

hmm, I don't remeber him being in 24..I've seen every episdode but it has been a long while since I have seen anything from season 3.

[magunwarrior]

hmm, I don't remeber him being in 24..I've seen every episdode but it has been a long while since I have seen anything from season 3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kaufman

[magunwarrior]

Back to how Sylar acquires powers, I found a short interview with Tim Kring and...

Does Sylar (Zachary Quinto) get his power by eating brains?
''That's the popular speculation,'' laughs Kring. ''There is a connection between the poewrs and the brain — and Sylar has found [it]. Early in season 2, you'll find out what he's been doing with the brains.''

[unfettered1]

Thanks. I didn't think someone would make a wiki page about a minimal character. I think might remember him..jerk to Chloe.

About the interview. Sweet! Sounds cool, but I never though he ate the brains though.

[terraindown]

Hey folks thanks for the welcome btw.. also i can't remember the bit with the dinosaur.. but maybe its just my memory :)

I think Syler rocks but Peter's power is much better because he just needs to think about the person and boom he has their powers!

We'll just have to wait and see.. urg everything has ended now :eek::( 24 and heroes.. what will I do now lol :)

[wideawakewesley]

Guys,

Am I right in thinking that we don't know if Peter is dead?

Wes

[magunwarrior]

Guys,

Am I right in thinking that we don't know if Peter is dead?

Wes

Of course he isn't dead, he can use Claire's powers to regenerate from anything.

[radmax]

Hey folks thanks for the welcome btw.. also i can't remember the bit with the dinosaur.. but maybe its just my memory


Okay...this should settle it once and for all everyone. =)

http://heroeswiki.com/images/d/d1/Painting_hiro_dinosaur.jpg


http://heroeswiki.com/images/6/6f/Museum_hiro_dino.jpg

[wideawakewesley]

Actually, I'm not so sure on that. It looks like he has a weakness in the back of his head, like an achilles heel. There's also the question of is he exploding, or is he just giving off a huge pulse of energy. If he's exploding I'd say he's pretty dead.

Personally, I'm sure he's alive, but I don't think he's invulnerable and it could go either way from the writers.

Wes

[radmax]

seeing as how when Ted used his powers he didn't explode, I would say Peter is alive.

[magunwarrior]

Well still, they have Molly, so they can find him and pull something out of the back of his head.

But I think Peter is 100% alive, because he exploded in the future right? And he was still alive there.

[radmax]

Well still, they have Molly, so they can find him and pull something out of the back of his head.

But I think Peter is 100% alive, because he exploded in the future right? And he was still alive there.


ummm..what?

edit: oh wait..you mean the future that they changed where he did blow everyone up...yeah. that's a very good point.

[wideawakewesley]

*chuckles* gotta love time travel stories

So has everyone been reading the free graphic novels?

Wes

[professio]

Actually, I'm not so sure on that. It looks like he has a weakness in the back of his head, like an achilles heel. There's also the question of is he exploding, or is he just giving off a huge pulse of energy. If he's exploding I'd say he's pretty dead.

Personally, I'm sure he's alive, but I don't think he's invulnerable and it could go either way from the writers.

Wes

I though he died there, as claire died during the attempted rape, because something was lodged in there head. I just assumed that they can not regenerate when there is something in there brain that may stop them from regenerating.

plus they can die, claire died in issac's painting...

[darknessgp]

I though he died there, as claire died during the attempted rape, because something was lodged in there head. I just assumed that they can not regenerate when there is something in there brain that may stop them from regenerating.

plus they can die, claire died in issac's painting...

Did she? Are you sure we saw Claire dead? I'll refresh your memory...
http://heroeswiki.com/images/e/ee/Painting_claire_murdered.jpg

Looks like a Cheerleader. Could be Claire or it could be the cheerleader that actually died. It's hard to tell.

That's partly true, they can't heal if something is blocking it, i.e. a piece of glass in skull, that piece of wood in Claire's head, even when she was making the attempts to kill herself should would have bones sticking out that would hinder the healing process. on the side of them actually dieing, it goes along with the something blocking the healing. It's kind of hard to heal something that is no longer attached to the body or has been removed in the case of Sylar stealing brains for powers. Claire is cool because aside from getting something chopped off or perhaps drowning she is nearly invincible.

I thought the fight were Nikki joined in and then Peter took over was really cool. Mainly because it was basically Peter seeing that Nikki has super strength and then him going directly into using it. I liked that it lacked that normal "I've got a new power that I can't control right now" feel to it that every other power he's gotten had.

[endoftheline]

What I would have liked to see was Hiro in a Nightcrawler kind of attack - pop pop pop all over, spinning Sylar around until he got the money strike through the gut. Maybe with that happening at the same time as Peter attacking.

This would have been freaking sweet, but I don't know if Hiro would have been able to advance to such a level in such a short amount of time. Maybe if they made that training session with his father take place outside the boundaries of time. (which may have been possible, but not so much obvious or apparent in the show) Like have Hiro stop time for him and his father, and have them be training for months in what seems like seconds.... then he could come back all freaking bad ass like that... alas more to the lists of what ifs.

___

My list based on power potential not so much what the characters have done so far with them...

1: Peter
2: Sylar
3: Hiro
4: Candice
5: Claire
6: Mica
7: Ted
8: Parkman
9: Eden
10: Claude

[gi_josh]

Okay...this should settle it once and for all everyone. =)

http://heroeswiki.com/images/d/d1/Painting_hiro_dinosaur.jpg


http://heroeswiki.com/images/6/6f/Museum_hiro_dino.jpg

Dammit!!! That means no dinos in season 2, just samurai japanese dudes...which is cool, but not as cool as dinos....

[gi_josh]

My list based on power potential not so much what the characters have done so far with them...

1: Peter
2: Sylar
3: Hiro
4: Candice
5: Claire
6: Mica
7: Ted
8: Parkman
9: Eden
10: Claude

Could someone refresh me on who Eden and Claude are?
And if we are talking about power potential, Ted should be number three or four....I mean, come on, the dude is a walking nuclear reactor.

[tokenuser]

Could someone refresh me on who Eden and Claude are?
And if we are talking about power potential, Ted should be number three or four....I mean, come on, the dude is a walking nuclear reactor.

Eden: Killed by Sylar. Worked for the company. Was the chick who befriended Mohinder in his father's apartment - has (had) the ability to influence people by what she says. Its not mind control - she needed to say what she thought to control though.
Claude: The Invisible Man (and former time traveller ;) ). Former company man as well. Trained <?> Peter on how to control his powers.

[terraindown]

Thanks for showing the image of hiro and the dino.. still can't remember it.. will be buying it on DVD though when it comes out that's for sure, so I'll be able to recap on the things i missed/didn't see at the time!

[magunwarrior]

Thanks for showing the image of hiro and the dino.. still can't remember it.. will be buying it on DVD though when it comes out that's for sure, so I'll be able to recap on the things i missed/didn't see at the time!

I will be too for sure, anyone here know when that's supposed to be out?

[hakukaji]

Could someone refresh me on who Eden and Claude are?
And if we are talking about power potential, Ted should be number three or four....I mean, come on, the dude is a walking nuclear reactor.

What about Linderman? He was pretty powerful.

[terraindown]

I will be too for sure, anyone here know when that's supposed to be out?

I just checked Amazon.com and they said its coming out August 28, 2007!

But its not on Amazon.co.uk yet :eek::(

[magunwarrior]

Cool, I have to get BSG season 3 before that though, they'll probably come out around the same time.

But I do want to watch through volume 1 of Heroes in a couple sittings before volume 2 starts.

[terraindown]

But I do want to watch through volume 1 of Heroes in a couple sittings before volume 2 starts.

Yesh yesh i totally agree!! There is itunes ;) but i wonder what the special features or what not there will be on the DVD :)

[magunwarrior]

Yeah I want some special features, and I know a lot of people that didn't watch it, so I want to sit them down and force them to watch it.

Namely both my parents.