Spider-Man 3

[gi_josh]

Ok, I had to create a topic about Spidey 3 because I am so darn pumped about this movie!! I can't wait to see the symbiote costume, it looks so BA. So, who's gonna see the midnight showing late thursday/early friday? *raises hand* And the best part is I have class the next morning :)

[poltah]

I'm actually watching Spider-Man 2 right now. And it sucks. The action is cool, the rest is horrible.
Terrible movie.

Spider-Man 3 looks cool, but I'm afraid it'll be the same. Cool action, rest sucks.

[gi_josh]

I'm actually watching Spider-Man 2 right now. And it sucks. The action is cool, the rest is horrible.
Terrible movie.

Spider-Man 3 looks cool, but I'm afraid it'll be the same. Cool action, rest sucks.

I'm glad we are not in the same room, because physical violence may ensue... :)

[professio]

I loved one, loved two, and seeing the midnight showing of three, can't wait! Spiderman movies have been some of my favorite movies.

[enemybrick]

I thought 1 was lame. 2 was terrible, and 3 doesnt look like it'll be much better. BUT OMG A BLACK SPIDER SUIT!!!! whatever..

[popltree2]

All I can say is that I am really hoping it doesn't turn out like Batman & Robin, but I have a feeling it will.

[poltah]

Rant:

Spider-man 2 was TERRIBLE. And here's a couple of reasons.

1) You don't start out Spider-Man 2 with spider-man delivering pizza's. We got that part of the character from spidey 1. You start him out fighting Rhino or some other c-class villain, let him defeat him and that's that.

2) Doc Ock is EVIL! He's not controlled by his f'ing arms, he's not made mad by some stupid chip in the back of his head. He's EVIL! And he doesn't turn good in the ending, what kind of crap ending is that?! Jesus christ, that was stupid.

3) Spider-Man losing his powers because he stops believing in himself most be the stupidiest thing I have ever heard of. Why in the world would his powers have anything to do with his desire to be normal, or him not believing in himself. He didn't believe he had powers in the first movie, how did he get them to work there? Awful!

4) Probably the worst scene in a movie ever. The horrific train scene. Firstly, how did the mask get from the top of the roof into the train cart? Well, that's a small problem, the big thing is this.
When Spider-Man is in that train, beaten and without his mask on, the people react like this: "Spider-man! He's just a kid. Trust us, we won't tell anybody about your secret identity".
BULL! The first thing those people would've done was to whip out their camera phones, delete all their pictures, and then fill it up with then thousand billion pictures of spider-man without his mask on. What kind of touchy feely mushy scene was that? That scene was movie-breaking.
I hold the scene where spidey gets knocked in the head with bags a close second, becuase what was that?

I could go on, but I won't.

Rant off.

[lrsk]

I thought 1 was lame. 2 was terrible, and 3 doesnt look like it'll be much better. BUT OMG A BLACK SPIDER SUIT!!!! whatever..

Completely agree!

[trsjeff]

Be sure to watch episode 6 ;)

[wideawakewesley]

I thought 1 was lame. 2 was terrible, and 3 doesnt look like it'll be much better...

I'm in total agreement!

The Spidey films are one's I really wanted to like, but they're sh*t! Raimi couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag, Toby and Kirsten couldn't act their way out of one and the FX team should just be shot.

Wes

p.s. Superman Returns sucked too.

[poltah]

I actually think Kirsten Dunst is a pretty good actor. Maguire just seem to smile all the time.

Superman Returns was aweful, just awful. So painful to watch. Mostly because it had a lot of potiental. I mean, the effects were great, the casting was spot on, the acting was good, the directing was very cool. It just had one of the worst script ever.
And a bad cript ruin every movie.

I wouldn't call Spider-man bad, it was okay, but it wasn't a good movie.

[darksyns]

I enjoyed 1 & 2 but I honestly think they are just trying to stuff too much into this movie. Having the The Green Goblin 2 or as they have it on imdb "New Goblin", Sandman annnnnnd Venom is just entirely too much. How long is the movie isn't supposed to nearing 3 hours?

[joeleeriepa]

I gotta say I thought Spider-Man 1 was pretty spot on. It wasn't perfect, but it was obviously made with care, and had a level of filmmaking that did justice to the character. It wasn't a quick make-a-couple-bucks production like Daredevil, Punisher, or Ghost Rider.

Spider-man 2 was a bit of a disapointment. It kind of rehashed some of the stuff already covered in part 1, and in the end wasn't as important and epic as it could have been.

Both movies suffer some Raimi-isms, which I assume will carry over to 3.

I think 3 may really let a lot of people down. That first trailer was amazing, it gave us a lot of hope. But I guarantee Venom will get shorted, and everything will be a bit of a mess.

Thursday night will tell all...

[shadowhelm]

I think the problem with most superhero movies today is Hollywood. They don't respect the characters and feel they have to change their motivations to make the general public accept them. I think you really see this in the abomination that was the Hulk movie. They tried to turn it into some kind of dramatic tragedy where it really should have been 2 hours of Hulk smashing stuff. You also see it fairly strongly in Spiderman 2. Doctor Octopus was not an evil character in that movie and he should have been. In trying to come up with character driven story, the filmmakers completely lost the nature of the character.. This pattern is repeated again and again. I won't even go into Batman and Robin.

So look at one film that worked. "Superman The Move" did just about everything right. Lex did not have to have a back story where he was bullied as a kid or something. No, he was just an evil dude. That's all you ever needed to know and it worked. Sure Gene Hackman played him a little campy and the Ned Beatty character was over the top, but isn't that what made it fun?

I would just like to see superhero movies that aren't trying to be Oscar winners.

[popltree2]

I think the problem with most superhero movies today is Hollywood. They don't respect the characters and feel they have to change their motivations to make the general public accept them. I think you really see this in the abomination that was the Hulk movie. They tried to turn it into some kind of dramatic tragedy where it really should have been 2 hours of Hulk smashing stuff. You also see it fairly strongly in Spiderman 2. Doctor Octopus was not an evil character in that movie and he should have been. In trying to come up with character driven story, the filmmakers completely lost the nature of the character.. This pattern is repeated again and again. I won't even go into Batman and Robin.

So look at one film that worked. "Superman The Move" did just about everything right. Lex did not have to have a back story where he was bullied as a kid or something. No, he was just an evil dude. That's all you ever needed to know and it worked. Sure Gene Hackman played him a little campy and the Ned Beatty character was over the top, but isn't that what made it fun?

I would just like to see superhero movies that aren't trying to be Oscar winners.

Every time I hear about evil people just being evil without a rhyme or reason, I am reminded of one character: Iago. For no real reason, he turns on Othello. This has been the source of a million papers, essays, debates, etc.

[poltah]

I don't think Spider-Man was spot it, they didn't get the character and the comics.

One of the biggest things with spider-man, at least in the early comics, was that he wasn't trusted by the public. In the movies he's loved, they actually try and fight the green goblin, and they block Doc Ocks path.
And I promise, nobody would ever do that, not that many people. Sam Raimi clearly has no idea about what motivates people, and people are generally egoistical and don't help other people like that.

Of course there are men and women who do, but not that many. It was so stupid, and not believable at all.

[alex]

Jeff I don't think people noticed your post so... Spiderman 3 you say, hope you enjoy the next episode of TRS. Too subtle?

[gi_josh]

No idea I was gonna open this can of worms... :)

Anyway, I disagree with a lot of what you guys are saying. First, I LOVED the Raimi-isms and in jokes in the two movies. Sure, you had to read into them and know a little back history, but it was cool. As far as Doc Ock being evil, I really enjoyed the "he's really good but his arms are doing it" thing. First, it makes the character so much more tragic, and it makes us truly care about Otto instead of just screaming "Get 'im Spidey!" Secondly, it makes Peter's plight, and his unwillingness to continue as spidey and believe in himself, much more believeable. His new best friend, this amazing person who has a super nice wife and who shows Peter true kindness and generosity, turns into a supervillian out to kill Peter. If that can happen to Octavius, OF COURSE Peter is going to question his motivations and things. It all comes around beautifully to "with great power comes great responsibility" and Peter continues to struggle with that.

Oh, and I believe that Venom will indeed get shorted this time around, but that won't be a short coming but rather a plot device. I may be wrong, But from the trailers it seems that they are setting us up for Spidey 3. In this movie, we'll meet Eddie Brock, set up his hatred for Peter/Spidey, and have that brewing the whole time. At the very end, once Peter gets rid of the symbiote (remember, we can't see venom until AFTER the costume is gone from Peter) we will see the symbiote go to Brock and he'll become Venom. I think the brunt of the Venom story will be told in Spidey 4. I may be way off on this, but that's how I HOPE it goes, and it seems like it would have too, with two other villians.

Anyway, that's my (very long) two cents.

[gi_josh]

Jeff I don't think people noticed your post so... Spiderman 3 you say, hope you enjoy the next episode of TRS. Too subtle?

No, that's not too subtle. I have no idea what you could possible be hinting at :) /sarcasm

[poltah]

I didn't care about Otto at all. The main thing a superhero needs besides a cool hero, is a cool villain. And when the villain isn't even a villain, but just some dude controlled by METAL ARMS, that's just stupid.

And the latest Spidey trailer really gave away waaay too much. You can totally tell what's going to happen in this movie, it's really too bad. The only surprise left there is gonna be where the symbiote is from, although I suspect they'll make it something science-related and tie it into the creation of sandman.

[tokenuser]

I am a sucker for this type of movie.
Yeah - it "breaks the Spidey mythos".
Yeah - the Spidey fanboys will be up in arms over the deviation from Stan Lee's vision.

No big deal - check your brain at the door, and enjoy the movie.

Spiderman 1 and 2 were enjoyable in and of themselves. They weren't horrible movies ... they just didn't follow the backstory to the letter. I also enjoyed FF (and look forward to FF2), and XMen (1/2/3) ... not because they were great adaptations of comics, but because they were enjoyable escapism that looked great on the big screen (I watch most movies on DVD these days - it has to be an actin movie to get me to the theatre these days).

[poltah]

I don't mind them changing stuff. Organic webshooters, I don't care.

But when they change stuff that makes the movie worse, not because it's different from the comics, but because it makes the movie a worse movie than it could've been, I got a problem with that.

[afroricann]

im disappointed that they didn't let the Fantastic Four get the black suit off.They could have put that part in FF2. That could have just about guaranteed that the Spiderman 3 movie watchers will go see FF2. or have the Fantastic Four get the suit off in Spiderman 3.for me that would be Totally Rad.
On another note, another (air quotes) Rad idea would be if they took three of the most popular what if? comics and made a movie out of that...yeah i come up with a lot of Rad ideas just call me a Radologist.Host of T.R.S. consider that a freebie

[gi_josh]

im disappointed that they didn't let the Fantastic Four get the black suit off.They could have put that part in FF2. That could have just about guaranteed that the Spiderman 3 movie watchers will go see FF2. or have the Fantastic Four get the suit off in Spiderman 3.for me that would be Totally Rad.
On another note, another (air quotes) Rad idea would be if they took three of the most popular what if? comics and made a movie out of that...yeah i come up with a lot of Rad ideas just call me a Radologist.Host of T.R.S. consider that a freebie

In one of the previews I seem to remember a scientist saying the symbiote seemed to like Peter...Was that Curt Connors? It indeed would have been pretty cool if Reed from FF made a cameo to diagnose, but they've been building the Connors character...

[joeleeriepa]

I think the problem with most superhero movies today is Hollywood. They don't respect the characters and feel they have to change their motivations to make the general public accept them. I think you really see this in the abomination that was the Hulk movie. They tried to turn it into some kind of dramatic tragedy where it really should have been 2 hours of Hulk smashing stuff. You also see it fairly strongly in Spiderman 2. Doctor Octopus was not an evil character in that movie and he should have been. In trying to come up with character driven story, the filmmakers completely lost the nature of the character.. This pattern is repeated again and again. I won't even go into Batman and Robin.


I have to disagree with that. The Hulk (in the comics) is a incredibly tragic character, and Ang Lee was right to use that in the film. 2 hours of smashing with no purpose would be the abomination. Look at what is happening in the comics right now- Hulk is about to return to earth to kick an insane amount of ass, but without the reason, without that set-up and character development (and if you're reading the comic you know there is a massive set up, and motivation for what is about to happen) then the smashing would be just plain stupid. Destruction for the sake of destruction.

I think the Hulk film gets unfairly shafted by most. The set-up may be a bit over-long, but when the Hulk gets going in the end, and the reasons behind it, make a spectacle matched by few other comic films, or any film for that matter.

P.S.- There is a great divide between Batman & Robin and the comic films of today, I'm not sure the comparison sticks.

[joeleeriepa]

Oh, and I believe that Venom will indeed get shorted this time around, but that won't be a short coming but rather a plot device. I may be wrong, But from the trailers it seems that they are setting us up for Spidey 3. In this movie, we'll meet Eddie Brock, set up his hatred for Peter/Spidey, and have that brewing the whole time. At the very end, once Peter gets rid of the symbiote (remember, we can't see venom until AFTER the costume is gone from Peter) we will see the symbiote go to Brock and he'll become Venom. I think the brunt of the Venom story will be told in Spidey 4. I may be way off on this, but that's how I HOPE it goes, and it seems like it would have too, with two other villians.

Anyway, that's my (very long) two cents.

Don't count on that.

I thought the same thing when I first saw the teaser, and I wish that was the direction they were going, but I would bet Venom is pretty much tied up by the end of the movie.

Remember- Raimi never wanted Venom, but Avi and Sony did. Raimi wasn't planning on Green Goblin 2, but Laura Ziskin was. Raimi wanted Sandman, and got him, but also had to find room for GG2 and Venom. I expect some serious shoe-horning and uneveness.

[joeleeriepa]

I don't think Spider-Man was spot it, they didn't get the character and the comics.

One of the biggest things with spider-man, at least in the early comics, was that he wasn't trusted by the public. In the movies he's loved, they actually try and fight the green goblin, and they block Doc Ocks path.
And I promise, nobody would ever do that, not that many people. Sam Raimi clearly has no idea about what motivates people, and people are generally egoistical and don't help other people like that.

Of course there are men and women who do, but not that many. It was so stupid, and not believable at all.

Yes, the public generally doesn't like Spidey, but I firmly believe comics should evolve, so people not hating spidey is no big deal, plus it's happened in the comics.

You also have to remember you are dealing with (particularly in part 1) a post-911 New York mentality. The movies are definitely reflecting the times.

[tokenuser]

You also have to remember you are dealing with (particularly in part 1) a post-911 New York mentality. The movies are definitely reflecting the times.Anyone else remember the pre-911 promotion posters with the web strung between the two towers?

[gi_josh]

Anyone else remember the pre-911 promotion posters with the web strung between the two towers?

Yeah, I remember those, I also seem to remember watching early trailers on youtube featuring the towers...weird stuff.

[rlnewby]

I am looking forward to Spiderman 3. Because they get about 1/3 of the message and that is more than most movies.

I really wished that left the web slingers mechanical. Where the hell are the spider tracers and other gear? That to me showed how much of a genius Peter is. In the movies he is suppose to be smart but never does anything with it. A smart line doesn't cut it. Peter just comes off as a dorky guy with cool powers. He is defiantly not Nerdy enough.

But I guess that is just my vision of spiderman and the reason he is my favorite hero

I still haven't finished watching Hulk. I fell asleep all 3 times I have tried to watch it. Now that was a bad movie

[shadowhelm]

joeleeriepa: First, you are absolutely right about when you say today's comic based movies are in a different league than Batman and Robin. I think we are all grateful for that. Batman and Robin was one of the first movies my future wife and I went to together and I actually apologized for dragging her to it after it was over.

Now then, the Hulk is a tragic character for sure. However, it just did not work in the Hulk film for whatever reason. I personally think it is due to the film producers, writers, etc. trying to take the comic book element out of the character. I think when you do that you loose something fundamental to the nature of the story and thus one of the reasons while the Hulk was a failure.

[comhcinc]

i really enjoyed the hulk

[joeleeriepa]

joeleeriepa: First, you are absolutely right about when you say today's comic based movies are in a different league than Batman and Robin. I think we are all grateful for that. Batman and Robin was one of the first movies my future wife and I went to together and I actually apologized for dragging her to it after it was over.

Now then, the Hulk is a tragic character for sure. However, it just did not work in the Hulk film for whatever reason. I personally think it is due to the film producers, writers, etc. trying to take the comic book element out of the character. I think when you do that you loose something fundamental to the nature of the story and thus one of the reasons while the Hulk was a failure.

I can understand that. Not forgetting the 'comic book' element of a comic book movie is definitely necessary.

Let me ask you though- once the Hulk got going, and was being dogged by the military (the tank fight, helicopter fight, the fighter jet scene), did you enjoy it?

I ask because I thought that the Hulk had some of the best comic book-esque action of all the recent super hero films. His massive leaps, dragging down helicopters, ripping open tanks, the fighter jet trying to take him up into the atmosphere... It's the type of larger then life action I was hoping for, whereas the Spider man films had some moments, but nothing as inventive.

[poltah]

Oh, I think Reed Richards in the spider-man movie would have been retarded. It would make sense to people and would be a very bad choice from the writers. It serves no purpose, storywise, to put Reed Richards in there to get the suit off. They should used an established character, or let Peter figure it out by himself.

[psbp516]

haha. You people didn't like spiderman because it didn't stick with the comic books? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Let me explain to you how comic books work. You have the general mythos of the character, you exploit it to make as many possible mediums/ storylines for the character, people find the stories good they get into it. Complaining that a movie version of the spiderman storyline is horrible and doesn't represent the comics is like saying that icecream is bad because it's not vanilla flavored (yes my analogies kick ass). There are MANY different versions of the spiderman story line, and tons of them are good. It's the exact same thing with every comic book hero and or character in general. Each artist represents the character in their own way. Imagine if Jerry Robinson's batman was the same as Tim Burton's batman, or Frank Miller's Batman. IT WOULD BE ****ING BORING!!! (and we would still be stuck with the lame homosexual 50's batman). Sam Raimi's Spiderman might have a SLIGHTLY (emphasis on slightly, because it's barely enough to even ****ing matter) different motivations, hes still the same ****ing character. When I watched Spiderman 1 and 2 I knew I was ****ing watching spiderman, the character bled through all the "hollywood crap". So **** you and your pompous "it's not the same as the comics...", well it's not ****ing supposed to be. Spiderman 1 and 2 were excellent movies and to bash them for stupid ****ing reasons like those stated is just a loss for you.

[poltah]

Actually most of the people in here liked the movie, some didn't like the movie, and I can think of one guy who didn't like it because it wasn't like the comic.

[gi_josh]

haha. You people didn't like spiderman because it didn't stick with the comic books? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Let me explain to you how comic books work. You have the general mythos of the character, you exploit it to make as many possible mediums/ storylines for the character, people find the stories good they get into it. Complaining that a movie version of the spiderman storyline is horrible and doesn't represent the comics is like saying that icecream is bad because it's not vanilla flavored (yes my analogies kick ass). There are MANY different versions of the spiderman story line, and tons of them are good. It's the exact same thing with every comic book hero and or character in general. Each artist represents the character in their own way. Imagine if Jerry Robinson's batman was the same as Tim Burton's batman, or Frank Miller's Batman. IT WOULD BE ****ING BORING!!! (and we would still be stuck with the lame homosexual 50's batman). Sam Raimi's Spiderman might have a SLIGHTLY (emphasis on slightly, because it's barely enough to even ****ing matter) different motivations, hes still the same ****ing character. When I watched Spiderman 1 and 2 I knew I was ****ing watching spiderman, the character bled through all the "hollywood crap". So **** you and your pompous "it's not the same as the comics...", well it's not ****ing supposed to be. Spiderman 1 and 2 were excellent movies and to bash them for stupid ****ing reasons like those stated is just a loss for you.



I'm liking the emotion here though... :) And I loved the movies. Midnight Showings FTW (can't wait still)

[shadowhelm]

I don't think anyone here is saying that superhero movies have to be like the comics. That would be impossible actually because of the wealth of material written about the characters. The mythologies surrounding most comic characters are too large to be able to say that a certain vision is THE definitive vision. Every team brings something different to the characters and thus all incarnations are different. Some better, some worse. My original point was simply that if you dork around with the formula too much then you tend to forget who your audience is and end up with something that doesn't speak to anyone. I still think the Hulk is the perfect example. It didn't strike the right balance between emotional story and Hulk Smash-iness. But that may be just me.

[popltree2]

Don't count on that.

I thought the same thing when I first saw the teaser, and I wish that was the direction they were going, but I would bet Venom is pretty much tied up by the end of the movie.

Remember- Raimi never wanted Venom, but Avi and Sony did. Raimi wasn't planning on Green Goblin 2, but Laura Ziskin was. Raimi wanted Sandman, and got him, but also had to find room for GG2 and Venom. I expect some serious shoe-horning and uneveness.

Interesting. I didn't know that about Raimi. But was he just not wanting Venom for this movie or did he not want Venom for any of the Spidey movies? Because I think I speak for everyone here when I say that, if you are going to do a Venom movie, make him the only villain. The story is rich enough and could probably fill a few movies.

[joeleeriepa]

Interesting. I didn't know that about Raimi. But was he just not wanting Venom for this movie or did he not want Venom for any of the Spidey movies? Because I think I speak for everyone here when I say that, if you are going to do a Venom movie, make him the only villain. The story is rich enough and could probably fill a few movies.

Absolutely; A Spider-man film with Venom as the sole villain would be a dream. S3 seems to set this up, but my sources say this is not the case, particularly with Raimi most likely jumping ship for the Hobbit. I'll know in about 48 hours :)

Oh, and it seems Raimi as a general distaste for Venom.

[gi_josh]

I am looking forward to Spiderman 3. Because they get about 1/3 of the message and that is more than most movies.

I really wished that left the web slingers mechanical. Where the hell are the spider tracers and other gear? That to me showed how much of a genius Peter is. In the movies he is suppose to be smart but never does anything with it. A smart line doesn't cut it. Peter just comes off as a dorky guy with cool powers. He is defiantly not Nerdy enough.

But I guess that is just my vision of spiderman and the reason he is my favorite hero

I still haven't finished watching Hulk. I fell asleep all 3 times I have tried to watch it. Now that was a bad movie

Agreed on the gadgetry, as long as it doesn't get to the spider-mobile. ;)

[gi_josh]

Ok, Spider-Man 3 was amazing. I am at a loss for words as to how good it was. It felt so much like a comic book.....like when the meteor with the symbiote hits, the normal movie tendency would be to overexplain that, but it felt more comic-y because we could just accept the fact that it happened and move on to let awesomeness asue. Sandman rocked the house, bests effects I've ever seen. Evil Peter was cool (except of course for the piano and dance number....I have no idea what that was). Bruce Campbell rocked. Stan Lee's cameo was AMAZING. The audience cheered for him at my theatre. All in all, I am still way pumped after seeing it...and I can't wait to see it again.

By the way, we had a "trivia question" at my theatre before the movie, and out of all the people in the theatre, I was the first one to get it right, so I won a movie poster and a spider-man hanging thing. It just completed an amazing movie and an amazing night.

[zcondren]

I didn't like it, I thought the editing was terrible, most of the effects are sub-par. The crane scene in particular looked like a pre-viz animatic at best. The sound design was unremarkable as well. For $500 million I expected much better.

[radmax]

I was VERY dissapointed with the movie,

I hope a new batch of people tackle it next time, because I am not certain Sam Raimi gets Spider-Man as much as I used too.

[gi_josh]

Wow.......How did everyone else feel? Because I thought it was amazing.

[masherscf]

I can't effuse enough about how much I loved "Spiderman 2".

There is at least one scene that I think comes close to motion picture perfection. It's a scene that could not have been achieved in comic, novel or stage production. It was unassumingly divine.



I think that anyone whose movie experience is going to be spoiled by deviations from established graphic adaptations should steer clear of motion picture adaptations of comics altogether. Faithful adaptations of comic to screen are almost never going to work.

For example, I don't think that Doc Ock works on screen as the same kind of villain in the comic book. Also, it's more important in cinema to establish life as "Spidey the pizza-guy" than to stage a non-sequiter set-piece where he battles a random villain.

Crafting a movie based on comic book characters is harder than just replaying the panels into moving frames. The films where this works well, like "Sin City" or "300" are pretty stylized. It would be a mistake to assume that treating every graphic novel that way would work.

Now, if the fun the comic-movie is to ***** about it later, I think that's fair.

[radmax]

I can't effuse enough about how much I loved "Spiderman 2".

There is at least one scene that I think comes close to motion picture perfection. It's a scene that could not have been achieved in comic, novel or stage production. It was unassumingly divine.



I think that anyone whose movie experience is going to be spoiled by deviations from established graphic adaptations should steer clear of motion picture adaptations of comics altogether. Faithful adaptations of comic to screen are almost never going to work.

For example, I don't think that Doc Ock works on screen as the same kind of villain in the comic book. Also, it's more important in cinema to establish life as "Spidey the pizza-guy" than to stage a non-sequiter set-piece where he battles a random villain.

Crafting a movie based on comic book characters is harder than just replaying the panels into moving frames. The films where this works well, like "Sin City" or "300" are pretty stylized. It would be a mistake to assume that treating every graphic novel that way would work.

Now, if the fun the comic-movie is to ***** about it later, I think that's fair.

There is a huge difference between a shot by shot copy of a comic and not staying true to the world it is set in.

[zcondren]

I Did think the opening Title Sequence was very well done!

[gi_josh]

I can't effuse enough about how much I loved "Spiderman 2".

There is at least one scene that I think comes close to motion picture perfection. It's a scene that could not have been achieved in comic, novel or stage production. It was unassumingly divine.



I think that anyone whose movie experience is going to be spoiled by deviations from established graphic adaptations should steer clear of motion picture adaptations of comics altogether. Faithful adaptations of comic to screen are almost never going to work.

For example, I don't think that Doc Ock works on screen as the same kind of villain in the comic book. Also, it's more important in cinema to establish life as "Spidey the pizza-guy" than to stage a non-sequiter set-piece where he battles a random villain.

Crafting a movie based on comic book characters is harder than just replaying the panels into moving frames. The films where this works well, like "Sin City" or "300" are pretty stylized. It would be a mistake to assume that treating every graphic novel that way would work.

Now, if the fun the comic-movie is to ***** about it later, I think that's fair.

What scene in 2 did you think reached perfection?

[divadawg9234]

Wow.......How did everyone else feel? Because I thought it was amazing. I agree with you, but I've learned that if I voice an unpopular opinion around some of these people I get called stupid, so I'll just leave it at that.

[radmax]

I agree with you, but I've learned that if I voice an unpopular opinion around some of these people I get called stupid, so I'll just leave it at that.

like i said...it was a joke...i'm sorry. i thought we were kidding around.

i never in my life thought you were actually stupid.

[gi_josh]

I agree with you, but I've learned that if I voice an unpopular opinion around some of these people I get called stupid, so I'll just leave it at that.

Oh, come on, you've gotta fight the man! I am!

[radmax]

Oh, come on, you've gotta fight the man! I am!

yeah i would rather have her fight me than not talk to me at all.

i don't want to be in a world where she isn't my friend.

[divadawg9234]

yeah i would rather have her fight me than not talk to me at all.

i don't want to be in a world where she isn't my friend.:confused: DISGRUNTLED KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love the RadMax

[psbp516]

Spiderman 3 was total shit. I'm sorry for my original post. no I'm not. This movie goes against everything I said (or well thought...I really didn't say much) but yeah I'm pissed...