Totally Rad It Is Not

[gerbrecht]

Well, I gave it three episodes. I even got episode 4 and 5 onto the ipod, but I couldn't make myself watch it. Why you may ask? Well Alex is great. He's funny on Diggnation, funny here. He makes me want to watch. Jeff, he's new to me, but I like listening to him. Great ideas and oppinions. Dan... What to say about Dan...

I'm going to go with what mom always said. If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Who am I kidding. I will not watch the show while he is on it. His oppinions are worthless, his delivery is sub-par at best, and the best argument I have heard in my circle of friends for keeping him is this. Remember the nerdy kid that you used to let hang out with you in high school since he made you look cooler than you really were? I don't remember that. Heck I probably was that nerdy kid. But I can not stand to watch the show while Dan is on it.

I'm sorry Alex and Jeff, but as good as you guys are, he just drags the show down. I may come back when the line up changes, but for now, I'm not interested.

[casework]

Gerbrecht?

Is this Alex's evil twin that is plotting to kill Dan?

[satori]

I may come back when the line up changes, but for now, I'm not interested.

Well I know I for one am truly broken up. Your input into our community has been truly prolific, and I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say later hotdog. Now go before you catch us all crying.

[wideawakewesley]

You know I watched the first episode and I'll be honest and admit I had similar feelings, but the more I watched the more I've come to really like the whole lineup. It works for me, because it's just a group of friends, everything is comfortable, fun and natural.

Wes

[kowgod]

I may come back when the line up changes, but for now, I'm not interested.

I guess we won't be hearing from this guy ever again.

[weebl]

I guess we won't be hearing from this guy ever again.

I hope not...

[zombi]

Well, I gave it three episodes. blah blah blah
Good for you?
I dont get why anyone is trying to rationalize with this guy.

[ramshaw]

Disagree...

[psbp516]

and the best argument I have heard in my circle of friends for keeping him is this. Remember the nerdy kid that you used to let hang out with you in high school since he made you look cooler than you really were? I don't remember that. Heck I probably was that nerdy kid. But I can not stand to watch the show while Dan is on it.

Humanity is so ****ing disgusting.

[imagineer99]

Dtracht knows his $hit...

[masherscf]

I'm going to go with what mom always said. If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.



Your mom was sayin' all sorts of nasty things to me.

[popltree2]

Boy, it's a good thing he posted a thread about this. Otherwise how would the rest of us have known how he feels?

/sarcasm

It appears he created the account just to prove to us how big of a...nevermind. It's not worth my typing.

[masherscf]

Boy, it's a good thing he posted a thread about this. Otherwise how would the rest of us have known how he feels?

/sarcasm

It appears he created the account just to prove to us how big of a...nevermind. It's not worth my typing.

It's called trolling. He was just trying to disguise it as legitimate criticism. However, a close reading of his critique doesn't show much redeeming value.

He talks about Danny's opinion being worthless, but never describes what is worthless about them. He says Danny's "delivery" is sub-par, like he's the pizza guy who doesn't get there in 30-minutes or less.

He describes the geek-stereotype analogy that is rambling and barely coherent.

In the end, the guy just wanted to take a pot shot and Danny.


I bet it's Danny trying to get some validation.

[phineas]

I for one welcome our troll overlord.

[slowmy]

thanks for your opinion, but obviously, we dont care. we're here to celebrate and discuss the show, not bash the people in it. every one of those guys is a host of the show and if you cant respect all of them, please dont post here and make negative remarks about them.

thank you.

[radmax]

thanks for your opinion, but obviously, we dont care. we're here to celebrate and discuss the show, not bash the people in it. every one of those guys is a host of the show and if you cant respect all of them, please dont post here and make negative remarks about them.

thank you.

what she said.

[comhcinc]

I for one welcome our troll overlord.

ha! i like a person who always hedges their bet.

and really everyone knows that alex is the weak link.



j/k

[dannyt]

now I know who I'm bringing into a firefight...

[tokenuser]

now I know who I'm bringing into a firefight...Someone that you can use as a human shield? :)

[radmax]

i actually think this person must be the lady in your avatar....she's back...with vengance.

[kowgod]

and really everyone knows that alex is the weak link.





The real one to look out for is Steve. You know, if he turns off the camera, they all DIE!!

[comhcinc]

valid point

[masherscf]

now I know who I'm bringing into a firefight...

I got your back Danny... In a strictly platonic way, of course....

[senoj1]

dan is where its at. he knows his shit and is fun to watch. the learning to drive a stick made me laugh for hours. the lineup is perfect and a great show.

[gerbrecht]

Nice, three pages in under 24 hours.

Ok, here goes with post #2

First, I did not create this account to become a troll in the forums. I had been discussing this issue with a friend of mine since episode 3, and I happened to come to the forums last night.

Second, I have a sinceer issue with Dan. Not as a person, obviously I do not know him. Just in the way he presents himself on the show. At the request of a friend I did watch episode 5 today, to look for specific examples of what I meant. Unfortunately, I really couldn't pin anything down as a good example, but I still just cringed any time he was talking. I did actually ask someone I know to look into TRS this weekend (he has never seen it before, nor did I tell him what my issue was. I asked him to watch as much as he could and let me know what he thinks)

Third, Slowmy, I think your post in response to my comment is one of the most damaging. Not to me, but to Revision 3. You said the following, "thanks for your opinion, but obviously, we dont care. we're here to celebrate and discuss the show, not bash the people in it. every one of those guys is a host of the show and if you cant respect all of them, please dont post here and make negative remarks about them." Having watched the show, we have seen that the stars of the Revision3 shows are active in the forums (yes I saw your post Dan, thanks for jumping in) If we are not allowed to criticize the shows, and what we think are drawbacks to it, how are they supposed to know what needs to be changed.

If I had had issues with Jeff or Alex, I promise I would have mentioned those, but for me and the group that I am in, our main issue is with Dan's performance. Is that to say that Dan can't improve? No, of course not, but unfortunately be it Geekdrome (yes I watched that, and had many of the same issues) or TRS, he hasn't changed.

I want to watch TRS, I am the target demographic for this particular show. (30 years old, male, into games, movies, etc) (If the male part offends any of you ladies, I am sorry, I am only talking about the target group, not individuals)

Finally, one thing that I think Slowmy forgot to realize is that Revision3, like a television network, is a business. I was very excited to read over in the forums for Ctrl+Alt+Chicken about it being looked at for a regular television show. I believe this is either the goal of all shows at Rev3, or to get to a point where there is more to be made in sponsorships for the "podcasts" to continue with the show. But for me, until there are some changes to make it such that Dan annoys me less (sorry Dan, but I don't know how else to say it), I probably will not watch the show. Now while I may be one person, we are all just one person each. But like most podcasts/viral promotions, if someone is willing to spread the word about your material, you get more viewers. You get more viewers, you get more sponsors. More sponsors, more money. (need I go on?)

So in conclusion, I will ammend my statement from "Dan must go" to "Dan must change" Sorry for no specifics, I will try to go back to the older episodes and get examples, but I just don't have any.

[tink2112]

Nice, three pages in under 24 hours.

Ok, here goes with post #2

First, I did not create this account to become a troll in the forums. I had been discussing this issue with a friend of mine since episode 3, and I happened to come to the forums last night.

Second, I have a sinceer issue with Dan. Not as a person, obviously I do not know him. Just in the way he presents himself on the show. At the request of a friend I did watch episode 5 today, to look for specific examples of what I meant. Unfortunately, I really couldn't pin anything down as a good example, but I still just cringed any time he was talking. I did actually ask someone I know to look into TRS this weekend (he has never seen it before, nor did I tell him what my issue was. I asked him to watch as much as he could and let me know what he thinks)

Third, Slowmy, I think your post in response to my comment is one of the most damaging. Not to me, but to Revision 3. You said the following, "thanks for your opinion, but obviously, we dont care. we're here to celebrate and discuss the show, not bash the people in it. every one of those guys is a host of the show and if you cant respect all of them, please dont post here and make negative remarks about them." Having watched the show, we have seen that the stars of the Revision3 shows are active in the forums (yes I saw your post Dan, thanks for jumping in) If we are not allowed to criticize the shows, and what we think are drawbacks to it, how are they supposed to know what needs to be changed.

If I had had issues with Jeff or Alex, I promise I would have mentioned those, but for me and the group that I am in, our main issue is with Dan's performance. Is that to say that Dan can't improve? No, of course not, but unfortunately be it Geekdrome (yes I watched that, and had many of the same issues) or TRS, he hasn't changed.

I want to watch TRS, I am the target demographic for this particular show. (30 years old, male, into games, movies, etc) (If the male part offends any of you ladies, I am sorry, I am only talking about the target group, not individuals)

Finally, one thing that I think Slowmy forgot to realize is that Revision3, like a television network, is a business. I was very excited to read over in the forums for Ctrl+Alt+Chicken about it being looked at for a regular television show. I believe this is either the goal of all shows at Rev3, or to get to a point where there is more to be made in sponsorships for the "podcasts" to continue with the show. But for me, until there are some changes to make it such that Dan annoys me less (sorry Dan, but I don't know how else to say it), I probably will not watch the show. Now while I may be one person, we are all just one person each. But like most podcasts/viral promotions, if someone is willing to spread the word about your material, you get more viewers. You get more viewers, you get more sponsors. More sponsors, more money. (need I go on?)

So in conclusion, I will ammend my statement from "Dan must go" to "Dan must change" Sorry for no specifics, I will try to go back to the older episodes and get examples, but I just don't have any.

strange.... i think there's a difference between a criticism and downright pointing out how much you dislike a host for no reason. you keep saying you don't know what it is about him you don't like. maybe when you come back with CONSTUCTIVE criticism he can work on it to get up to your expectations but until then he is who he is, and from what i read on these boards, the majority of people like that. so unless you find a lot more people that share your opinion and have them write about it here, i don't think this business is going to change the format of a show for one person.
that is all :)

[liquidsdagron]

The real one to look out for is Steve. You know, if he turns off the camera, they all DIE!!

i think Steve is a figment of their imagination..i would like to see him on camera :D

[sugarsickness]

So in conclusion, I will ammend my statement from "Dan must go" to "Dan must change" Sorry for no specifics, I will try to go back to the older episodes and get examples, but I just don't have any.

When Alex joined TechTV I hated him. I was soooo annoyed by him and, now, I can't even recall why. When I found Revision3 at first I didn't even watch Diggnation because I remembered that Alex bothered me and figured it probably wouldn't be something I could appreciate. So I watched Geekdrome and Infected.

When I eventually gave Diggnation a chance, however, I realized Alex didn't bother me any more and I enjoyed his part of the show and now Diggnation is one of the podcasts I never miss.

I really don't think that one of the hosts getting on your nerves (When you can't even articulate why) is a valid criticism, in fact, it is insulting to just say "Dan must change because, for some reason, I don't like him." For one thing, he really doesn't have to do anything and another... what is he supposed to do? While Revision3 has similarities to a television station it also has a community with direct contact to the hosts/producers/writers of each show to talk to and give criticism/praise to. But if you can't even provide any information or opinions as to why you are put off by the show then what is the point of saying anything?

[divadawg9234]

can we just let this thread die already?! I mean really...

[comhcinc]

all i know is i don't like american idol. it's all that singing of covers that get to me. they need to change that.

[magunwarrior]

can we just let this thread die already?! I mean really...

NEVER!!!!!! /caps

[slowmy]

Nice, three pages in under 24 hours.

Ok, here goes with post #2

First, I did not create this account to become a troll in the forums. I had been discussing this issue with a friend of mine since episode 3, and I happened to come to the forums last night.

Second, I have a sinceer issue with Dan. Not as a person, obviously I do not know him. Just in the way he presents himself on the show. At the request of a friend I did watch episode 5 today, to look for specific examples of what I meant. Unfortunately, I really couldn't pin anything down as a good example, but I still just cringed any time he was talking. I did actually ask someone I know to look into TRS this weekend (he has never seen it before, nor did I tell him what my issue was. I asked him to watch as much as he could and let me know what he thinks)

Third, Slowmy, I think your post in response to my comment is one of the most damaging. Not to me, but to Revision 3. You said the following, "thanks for your opinion, but obviously, we dont care. we're here to celebrate and discuss the show, not bash the people in it. every one of those guys is a host of the show and if you cant respect all of them, please dont post here and make negative remarks about them." Having watched the show, we have seen that the stars of the Revision3 shows are active in the forums (yes I saw your post Dan, thanks for jumping in) If we are not allowed to criticize the shows, and what we think are drawbacks to it, how are they supposed to know what needs to be changed.

If I had had issues with Jeff or Alex, I promise I would have mentioned those, but for me and the group that I am in, our main issue is with Dan's performance. Is that to say that Dan can't improve? No, of course not, but unfortunately be it Geekdrome (yes I watched that, and had many of the same issues) or TRS, he hasn't changed.

I want to watch TRS, I am the target demographic for this particular show. (30 years old, male, into games, movies, etc) (If the male part offends any of you ladies, I am sorry, I am only talking about the target group, not individuals)

Finally, one thing that I think Slowmy forgot to realize is that Revision3, like a television network, is a business. I was very excited to read over in the forums for Ctrl+Alt+Chicken about it being looked at for a regular television show. I believe this is either the goal of all shows at Rev3, or to get to a point where there is more to be made in sponsorships for the "podcasts" to continue with the show. But for me, until there are some changes to make it such that Dan annoys me less (sorry Dan, but I don't know how else to say it), I probably will not watch the show. Now while I may be one person, we are all just one person each. But like most podcasts/viral promotions, if someone is willing to spread the word about your material, you get more viewers. You get more viewers, you get more sponsors. More sponsors, more money. (need I go on?)

So in conclusion, I will ammend my statement from "Dan must go" to "Dan must change" Sorry for no specifics, I will try to go back to the older episodes and get examples, but I just don't have any.


to let you know, ive been a revision3 member for over a year now (ive switched screen names, jokingly, because of a mispronounciation on a host's part, and this has become somewhat of a nickname here and with my online friends and community) i know how it works and i am a fan of multiple podcasts. obviously you did not realize that my comment was meant to make a statement about people bashing the hosts. if you have a valid criticism for the show, im sure no one will get on your case for it, but when you post a comment stating that one host annoys you and you have no other particular criticism to bring up, that, in my opinion, is bashing the host, not the show. im sorry you dont like dan, but we do.
my comment was not meant to be demeaning to you in any way, but to point out that we really dont appreciate bashing.

[comhcinc]

long winded bashing any way

[magunwarrior]

All of the hosts roxxorz my soxxorz, you can't beat logic like that.

[dain]

For the most part I agree with the creator of this thread. Dan seems to be extra baggage on his own show and as such he lets Alex and Jeff take control of most of the discussion. During the opening sequence he doesn't look into the camera, he barely talks, and he looks like he doesn't want to be there; during the review part of the show, again he looks distracted and absent when Jeff or Alex are talking. When he finally speaks, he has difficulty articulating what he wants to say and because of this ends up with fragments of ideas and the word "****ing" scattered throughout.

I have nothing against Dan personally, but he is a host of a show, as such he should have the ability to engage the viewer in both his verbal and non-verbal language. I felt the same way about Dan when he was on Geekdrome, although with one less host to stomp all over him he asserted himself and was more apt as a host than he is on TRS.

[gerbrecht]

I think Dain hit on an issue I was thinking of last night, and I agree with him. I know my other posts weren't as "enlightened" we'll say, but the comment about "extra baggage" seems to hit the nail on the head. If you think about other hosted programs, or groups that you hang out with, when you add a third member, someone usually gets left out. Because of that, Dan does come across as just being along for the ride.

Is it possible to change this based on the dynamics of the show, I'm not sure. It does seem very unscripted (one of the best points if you ask me), and because of that, if you aren't able to articulate your position very well it can drag down the rest of the show.

[klitzy]

Anyone else think dain and Gerbrecht know each other?

Personally...How about you guys just get off the forum then? Go away. No one likes you and no one wants to hear your shit. Everyone is so politically correct saying that they want to hear "constructive criticism" and its "alright to criticize the show" but honestly...no one wants to hear your shit and they shouldn't have to. You are a lone rider here. No one else agrees. Its as simple as only the candidates for presidents that people agree with (for the most part) are able to participate in the debate. In this case, you are the candidate that no one agrees with or even knows about.

So....Just go away.

[gerbrecht]

Klitzy,

There is a real easy way to not hear what I have to say. Don't read it. I have made no one listen to what I have to say, everyone has done it willingly.

As for Dain, I have no idea who he is. Really

[radmax]

if dan or anybody changes because of douchebags like this i won't watch the show.

everyone in forums thinks their thoughts are so important. get over yourself.

so you don't like certain aspects of the show. eith ger over them or stop watching. they don't need to have advice on how to run a podcast or a company from some tool with a keyboard.

like the saying goes...opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and they are usually full of sh*t.

[radmax]

Klitzy,

There is a real easy way to not hear what I have to say. Don't read it. I have made no one listen to what I have to say, everyone has done it willingly.

As for Dain, I have no idea who he is. Really


actually we have to read it before we realize what you said is retarded.

that's how reading works. you find out the information after the fact.

[satori]

this truly is the flame bait thread isn't it.

[masherscf]

You also have to admit that Gerbrecht tried to make his point instead of just saying "Dan Suxors" and leaving it at that. And props to Dan for even reading this whole thread, I'll admit he takes criticism like a man.

He didn't try to make any point.

The OP was hardly more poignant than "Dan Suxors."

Saying "Dan Suxors" would have at least been entertaining.


Just so we agree. Constructive criticism is not necessarily negative. Negative comments alone about a host or a show are not helpful and therefore may not be constructive. If a person cares enough about a host or show they will take the time to organize their less flattering comments in a manner that are more positive.

For example, before you launch into a unorganized and non-specific condemnation of DannyT, try saying something nice. What do you like about Danny. Then you can talk about what he can do for you to like him more.

A laundry-list of non-specific flaws is not a critique and it is in no way constructive. It's just someone on the internet who decided to be nasty to someone else. That is lame.

Helpful commentary is cool, especially when it is honest. However, honesty was never meant to be an excuse to be mean.

When you find yourself unable to suppress negative comments, you really need to make twice the effort to be nice about it. It's called courtesy. It helps the subject of negative comments to be more receptive anyway.

As a college professor, I spend my life telling people what is wrong with their work as well as getting told what is wrong with my work. I learned a long time ago what is valid criticism and what is not. There is a fine art in doing it properly.

[satori]

I just went back and read a bunch of these posts... notice how eveyone that comes chiming in to gerbrechts defence is on post number 1. :D

[klitzy]

You also have to admit that Gerbrecht tried to make his point instead of just saying "Dan Suxors" and leaving it at that. And props to Dan for even reading this whole thread, I'll admit he takes criticism like a man.

You dumb mother ****er.....He didn't make a point. He just said "Dan Suxors" in about 2 paragraphs. And then...we asked him to make a point...And he said "I couldn't find any" so what the **** are you talking about?

[mormonrage]

First, I did not create this account to become a troll in the forums.
Looks like you failed.

[klitzy]

Yeah, he makes his point as well as Dan does on the show. As far as this being my 1st post, or 2nd for this one...everyone started with a first post. If I post a thousand times before does that change what I am saying now? Satori, you have only posted 1447 times, does that make your opinion count less than Magunwarrior who has over 3000 posts?

Go away...If you don't like the show don't watch.

[comhcinc]

i just can't see having the balls to ask a show to fundamentally change a core part of it. i would get it if you thought the movie section went on too long for example. but to ask to get rid of a show host just doesn't make sense. if you don't like it don't watch it.


and yes post count does mean something. i piss people off all the time. i'm sure alot of people don't like me but i have proven that i am not here just to troll by taking part in alot of discussions. you want people to take you seriously you need to part of the community.

[masherscf]

and yes post count does mean something. i piss people off all the time. i'm sure alot of people don't like me but i have proven that i am not here just to troll by taking part in alot of discussions.

If you can push 3000 posts and not get banned. Chances are, you're okay.

[tokenuser]

What are the chances that one guys come in with a new account and trolls, and then ANOTHER person comes in as a newbie to their defence?

What are the chances they are the same person when their subnets BOTH end in ph.ph.cox.net and the tracerts both time hit the same router (chnddsrj01-ge610.0.rd.ph.cox.net) before going off into DNS assigned address subnet land?

Gerbrecht and Shag1379 are one and the same.
Please stop feeding the trolls.

Thread locked. Accounts banned.