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psbp516
05-04-2007, 08:09 AM
It was horrible..
johnny-utah
05-04-2007, 08:29 AM
just got back from the midnight show. The movie was so campy and I'm not sure if that was their intent or not. Toby seemed to have packed it in with this performance. Anytime he showed emotion, no one in the crowd I was in bought it. In fact, it caused the opposite reaction, mostly a theatre full of laughs.
I give Church credit however for being the only one who seemed to make to make an effort with his character.
For the most part, Jeff was pretty dead on with his review.
joeleeriepa
05-04-2007, 08:46 AM
The first two acts were fine, very much on par with the first two films.
Then came the dancing, the night club scene, and the absolutely horrendous mess of a third act.
Raimi obviously had no love for Venom, because he is now one of the most squandered opportunities in cinema.
When the lights came up I saw about 300+ looks of betrayal as people left the theater.
This may get more of a revolt then Matrix Reloaded.
Ah, bitter disappointment...
I liked most of it, hated some of it. Overall a good movie, i'm not sure how it will fit in with the entire series. Heres hoping Spidy 4,5, and 6 will be great.
radmax
05-04-2007, 04:07 PM
I liked most of it, hated some of it. Overall a good movie, i'm not sure how it will fit in with the entire series. Heres hoping Spidy 4,5, and 6 will be great.
After this I am not sure I want 4,5 and 6...and Spidey is my fav super-hero.
Sad that in 2, Spidey saved the train only to see it derailed here.
professio
05-04-2007, 04:40 PM
I agree 100% with the review they gave on TRS. 100%. Awesome until his little hair thing.
gi_josh
05-04-2007, 05:20 PM
I just don't understand the utter distaste for this film I'm hearing today. It felt so much like a comic book! The campiness, the origins of sandman and venom, the way the shots were staged and held, and the uber teamups in the end. And I'm not saying the movie didn't have it's issues. The dance number was a bit much. Venom was definitely underutilized. The evil emo hair was a little cheesecake. But all of these things happen in the comic books too. Just look at Stan Lee's old stories. Every sentence ended in an exclamation point, crazy villians crawled out of the woodwork and got pounced in the same issue, and tons of faux paus (sp?) happened all the time, but that's what comics are. They are cheesy, they are campy, and I loved every minute of this film.
afroricann
05-04-2007, 05:49 PM
i thought the movie was just ok.The Something About Mary hair could have been done differently.i would have liked to have seen more of Peter in the black suit.The dancing down the street and night club scenes were hard to watch.It would have been better to have those parts replaced with him waking up in the black suit doing bad things rather than peter i think that would have worked out better.The first 2 movies story and action scenes were put together better than the third part.Lets hope that they make a part four to fix the trilogy.
kahunablair
05-04-2007, 05:51 PM
I liked the movie quite a bit. It was campy (intentionally!) but in a good way, not the bad-guys-on-ice-skates way.
There were a crapload of missed oppurtunities, but I think that this is Raimi's last and he wanted to do as much as he could in the final flick.
As far as Venom being underutilized, that's an understatement. If anyone has read the interview with Raimi, he pretty much admits that Venom wasn't in the script at all. Avi Arad asked him to go back and tweak the story to have him in it. I can totally see if they took out the black costume storyline and just had Parker get pompous from the fame, we would have pretty much seen the same movie.
So all in all it's still a good movie. It's the worst of the Spidey trilogy, but that's like saying its the worst looking hundred dollar bill you've ever been given. Sure it's not the best, but you still just got a freakin' hundred dollar bill!
radmax
05-04-2007, 06:17 PM
I just don't understand the utter distaste for this film I'm hearing today. It felt so much like a comic book! The campiness, the origins of sandman and venom, the way the shots were staged and held, and the uber teamups in the end. And I'm not saying the movie didn't have it's issues. The dance number was a bit much. Venom was definitely underutilized. The evil emo hair was a little cheesecake. But all of these things happen in the comic books too. Just look at Stan Lee's old stories. Every sentence ended in an exclamation point, crazy villians crawled out of the woodwork and got pounced in the same issue, and tons of faux paus (sp?) happened all the time, but that's what comics are. They are cheesy, they are campy, and I loved every minute of this film.
I am getting so sick of this excuse. Ther e are great comics out there that are not campy...some even great Spider-Man arcs as well.
That is like giving someone permission to make a crappy movie.
I pray Tobey does not come back. He was fine for the first one, but you know what? Peter Parker evolved into a richer character.
Sam Raimi is not right for this franchise anymore.
He handled some things very poorly in this. He couldn't even make SpiderMan a dick w/o reverting to some campy montage.
gi_josh
05-04-2007, 06:45 PM
I am getting so sick of this excuse. Ther e are great comics out there that are not campy...some even great Spider-Man arcs as well.
That is like giving someone permission to make a crappy movie.
I pray Tobey does not come back. He was fine for the first one, but you know what? Peter Parker evolved into a richer character.
Sam Raimi is not right for this franchise anymore.
He handled some things very poorly in this. He couldn't even make SpiderMan a dick w/o reverting to some campy montage.
I wasn't makingan excuse for it, I genuinely enjyed the campy feel, and why I enjoy less campy current comics, my heart is with the utter cheesecake-ness that was comics in the 60s-70s. Certain comic movies would suck if they came off as campy as this one, but spidey has never been that heady of a comic character. He likes to keep things light no matter how bad stuff gets, and I thought the movie captured that feel perfectly.
As far as tobey leaving, I really could care less. I explained this to my friend yesterday. I've seen so many artists draw spider-man now, so I've seen spider-man look many different ways. With a new actor as Peter, I would be able to mesh into it perfectly fine because I could look at it as simply an artist swap, so to speak.
radmax
05-04-2007, 06:51 PM
I wasn't makingan excuse for it, I genuinely enjyed the campy feel, and why I enjoy less campy current comics, my heart is with the utter cheesecake-ness that was comics in the 60s-70s. Certain comic movies would suck if they came off as campy as this one, but spidey has never been that heady of a comic character. He likes to keep things light no matter how bad stuff gets, and I thought the movie captured that feel perfectly.
As far as tobey leaving, I really could care less. I explained this to my friend yesterday. I've seen so many artists draw spider-man now, so I've seen spider-man look many different ways. With a new actor as Peter, I would be able to mesh into it perfectly fine because I could look at it as simply an artist swap, so to speak.
That's exactly it.
In the comics spidey does keep it light. He makes the jokes...he isn't constantly the joke like he is in the movies.
He is equal amount smart ass and geek.
rlnewby
05-04-2007, 11:16 PM
I have to agree with Act I and II= awesome to good
But the third act man was that a stinker. I was embarrassed and shamed to be a fan during the walking down the street scene. I think the put it in for a laugh but no one was laughing. That scene is the Jar Jar of Spiderman.
This scene was not campy it was awful. I and know campy(list of favorite campy stuff includes: Original Dr. Who, Batman 60's TV, Red Dwarf and much much more). Camp is something that is trying to be serious but you can't help but laugh and have fun.
Venom what a waste.
divadawg9234
05-04-2007, 11:42 PM
I loved this movie. You can all throw sticks at me, I don't care, but I thought 2 was really boring... I literally fell asleep in the theater when I saw 2. This time around, I was exhausted from a really long hard week of work and rehearsals for the show I'm working on right now, I was soo afraid that seeing a midnight show would cause me to fall asleep in yet another spidey movie (for the record, I own 2 on dvd and have tried to watch it several times, under several conditions and have NEVER made it through without falling asleep or getting distracted by something more interesting) I barely even blinked, let alone fell asleep last night. I'm not the only one either, I went with 20 other people and only two of them didn't like it (and one of those 2 hasn't liked any of them, but wanted to hang out with all of us) I have to see it again before making this statement for realsies, but... I think this was my favourite of the three.
For all of you calling it 'total shit' and whatnot... I'd like to submit to you movies such as Daddy Daycare, White Chicks, Ghostrider... now those "films" are total steamy piles of shit. This one just wasn't what you wanted... get over it! You can't have your way all the time. Stop crying and go see Next ;)
gi_josh
05-04-2007, 11:46 PM
I loved this movie. You can all throw sticks at me, I don't care, but I thought 2 was really boring... I literally fell asleep in the theater when I saw 2. This time around, I was exhausted from a really long hard week of work and rehearsals for the show I'm working on right now, I was soo afraid that seeing a midnight show would cause me to fall asleep in yet another spidey movie (for the record, I own 2 on dvd and have tried to watch it several times, under several conditions and have NEVER made it through without falling asleep or getting distracted by something more interesting) I barely even blinked, let alone fell asleep last night. I'm not the only one either, I went with 20 other people and only two of them didn't like it (and one of those 2 hasn't liked any of them, but wanted to hang out with all of us) I have to see it again before making this statement for realsies, but... I think this was my favourite of the three.
For all of you calling it 'total shit' and whatnot... I'd like to submit to you movies such as Daddy Daycare, White Chicks, Ghostrider... now those "films" are total steamy piles of shit. This one just wasn't what you wanted... get over it! You can't have your way all the time. Stop crying and go see Next ;)
My mom even agrees about this one being more captivating....so....yeah. My favorite of the three as well.
fancyburrito
05-05-2007, 02:18 AM
If Sandman was the only villian I think the movie would have been much better. They could have kept Venom for Spidy 4, I could even seen the post-credits set-up with Eddie and the symboite. I guess the studio didn't think they could sell a movie with Sandman as the only villian so they added Venom, but in turn they missed out on a huge chance to make even more money using him in the next film. It's a shame they did such a wonderful job setting Sandman up as a villian only to drop him completely and rush in Venom towards the end.
I always though the Spider-Man movies were almost great if it weren't for a few flaws and I think 3 kept in line with the other two pretty well even with it's own flaws. I think they really did improve well with the action though. Except for the Sandman Vs. Spidy subway scene, all the action was top notch.
amal8301
05-05-2007, 04:12 AM
Well I saw it at mid-night also, and I have to agree with Alex, which seems to be happening a lot lately which is very VERY odd, I loved it. I went it with no expectations of any sort though. I have found that preconceived expectations only lead to disappointment. It's funny after seeing the TRS review and watching I knew that certain people would hate it. I liked the fact that there were so many villains. I don't think that it would have worked with just Sandman. Especially if they let Peter forgive him and drift off like he did. Anyway I recommend it.
magunwarrior
05-05-2007, 05:00 AM
I enjoyed it, surely it wasn't the best movie ever, but an entertaining afternoon.
I couldn't stop laughing at Peter's emo haircut the entire time, and when he started crying at the end I just burst out laughing.
olpol
05-05-2007, 07:41 AM
We went and saw Spiderman 3 last night. Admittedly we saw a 6:30pm viewing on a Friday night so there were lots of kids and teenagers there and they didn't help the atmosphere of it. We had people walking out during the film and people laughing at the allegedly serious parts (myself included at the emo hair and crying parts).
Even excusing any of the plot holes or parts that required "suspension of disbelief", I thought the movie was a joke.
After the first fight scene which was pretty great, it took ages to get going again. The romantic scenes were uninteresting to me because I really didn't care about the characters. I kept looking at my watch and thinking, "C'mon get going or there won't be any time for anything to happen".
I thought the way they turned him into an emo and a player was laughable and annoying at the same time. From that point on I felt very "outside" the movie and couldn't get back into it.
I went in with high hopes because I always thought the Venom story line to be the best thing about Spiderman. But that bloody Raimi guy who admitted to not caring very much for Venom should not have been a part of this movie if thats the way he felt. They ruined what could have been the best Spiderman movie so far.
wideawakewesley
05-05-2007, 04:34 PM
Well I gotta say I was tempted to go and see it, but the general concensus seems to be negative, so I think I'll keep my money.
popltree2
05-05-2007, 04:55 PM
So the wifey and I went and saw this last night. We walked into without high expectations I am glad we did. But we both were disappointed with the movie for similar reasons and different reasons. My wife liked the ending of the movie and didn't like the first 2/3s. I was the opposite. I felt that, at the end, they were just trying to end the movie without giving it an epic battle. I was happy about the team-up at the end. But why it took Peter so freaking long to figure out what hurt the symbiote is beyond me..
It is pretty common knowledge at this point that Sam Raimi doesn't like the character of Venom and that he was probably forced to put him in there by the studios. This leads to the obvious result of a shitty character in the movie. The fact that Venom is in there for all of 30 minutes and ISN'T a returning character makes him a throw-away character.
Bruce Campbell's cameo = hillarious.
Thomas Hadyen (sp?) Church = amazing. I was really impressed with him in this movie. He made the character incredibly sympathetic. The scene where Sandman is coming into being, I don't know if it was the score or a combination of everything, but I really felt for him. Maybe a return character?
I am happy that we won't have to see emo-Parker any more. Granted the scene with him walking down the street and especially the dance he does when he buys the suit are hillarious, but something should be said about me talking about that and not the "battle within". And yes, I could have done without the nightclub scene.
All and all I feel very "meh" about the whole thing. If you want to see it by all means do. But don't expect a whole lot.
kidvicious
05-05-2007, 05:14 PM
I'm a bit of an anomaly in that I didn't really care for most of the serious parts in the movie, be they from any Act. I also had the most fun watching Emo Peter act so hilariously despite his stupid hairstyle. Bruce Campbell's part was good, and I liked the fact that he was credited in this one. The action was also good, especially the crane sequence.
SPOILERS!!!
However, I felt like they had one too many villains in the movie. Raimi shortchanged Venom/The Symbiote horribly. Its introduction was half-assed and its death was half-assed. How convenient, a meteor with bad stuff in it falls right next to Peter Parker. It feels like Raimi only wanted to use Venom for what it does to Peter, and then close the door on Venom for good.
Also, by doing multiple interweaving stories, I didn't have time to care about anything.
"Hey, didn't that Goblin bomb blow up in Harry's face a while back?"
"Yeah dude, what happened to him? Did he just vaporize or something? None of the other characters seem to think about him at all any more, but when he bumped his head everybody was there."
Maybe I made the mistake of going into this movie with good expectations from the last. But hey, I think Spider-Man deserves my good expectations, because it has the potential to be amazing. We saw how amazing it could be in Spider-Man 2. Maybe I'll like Spider-Man 4 a lot better now that my hopes have been lowered by this movie.
I just got back from seeing it with my boyfriend. I was surprised when there wasn't a long line and the theater was only 1/4 full but when I came out there was a pretty sizable line for the next showing.
There's so much negativity surrounding this film so I went in with zero expectations. I just had to see it because I loved the first two movies. I loved the first 2 acts but didn't like the emo-dancing sequence. It was funny but it felt like a funny short film/outtake/whatever that would be shown after the credits, not actually a part of the movie. The emo hair is ridiculous and I can't believe they actually put black eyeliner on him when he comes to Osbourne's house!
Venom was horribly done. I love the character and I wanted to see more but he was just thrown in the last bit, almost like an afterthought.
The music was a let down too.
But those things said, there are good things about this film. I would definitely recommend that people watch it in the theater. The fight scenes are cool (they're very intricate and fast paced with lots of things going on), Bruce Campbell is awesome as always, I really loved Sandman (even if they overdrew his lips with pink lipstick and made his lips look chapped. Did anybody else notice that?) and Mary Jane actually has a bra on for once.
kbraaten
05-05-2007, 10:50 PM
well when i saw it, the theater was packed, which rarely occurs coming from a small town and i enjoyed the movie to say the least... but the film that they used, during the last third of the movie became terribly out of focus on the left side of the screen which took away from lots of the cg and action sequences, and by the looks of things no one else had this problem... it left a bitter sweet taste in my mouth but i can't wait to see it again without the out of focus bullshit that i suffered through
gm_wil
05-05-2007, 11:48 PM
I didn't think it was that bad because I walked in expecting to be disappointed.
(I don't fault the actors one bit for any of the dissapointment - I thought they were all awesome)
Loved the credits/intro
The movie was too busy, like an mtv video. WAY too much going on. This story, I mean, "these stories" could have been two 3 hour movies. I didn't get moved at any time in the movie, not like the first two. I saw Peter's tears but didn't feel 'em and I was really trying because that's what made the first two so great. (I almost got choked up when he saved the train in 2 and they passed him over head and set him down . . . and then the two kids hand him the mask) The closest I got to feeling anything was when Sandman was talking about his daughter at the end.
Jeff said he hated how sandman was defeated. I loved how he departed the film.
I think the director's biggest mistake was he put in too many shots of people watching the fight and cheering . . . almost like he was replacing the audience. When we, the viewers, are watching people enjoying the fight, what are we left to do? Don't replace the audience with an onscreen one. That's our only opportunity to be a part of the movie so don't take it away from us!
THAT WAS A KICK ASS PAINTING OF DEFOE
I'd be surprised if Toby Mcguire comes back after this one . . . same with Dunst, because there was a bit too much of her being in distress . . . like that's all Mary Jane is capable of. Peter fell in love with MaryJane because of who she is, not because she needs his help every other minute of the day . . . let MaryJane come into her own a little. (after hearing the same scream over and over, it got old real fast - when she was trapped in the cab, I swear the look on her face and the sound of her scream was saying "we've shot 30 takes, ive been screaming all day, how many times do i have to scream to get the shot right?" She looked like she could have been reading a book and screaming in between turning the pages. (that sucks because I like her as an actress)
Again, I don't fault the actors at all for the disappointing stuff.
The whole dance number wasn't that bad. My theater was packed and people were laughing. It was the only real respite from all the other stuff that was going on. We could finally kick back and enjoy a moment that didn't involve a sandstorm, exploding pumpkin bombs, and X-Files ooze.
I was annoyed with the shot of him in front of the flag again. It was awesome the first time he did it, but all of a sudden a big wavy flag comes out of nowhere . . . c'mon. Let the other films have their moments, don't take them away . . . make new ones!
The "everyone having a choice to do the right thing" was a great message . . . I just wish he would have slowed down so the message had time to sink in.
So we saw the "Doc Oc at large" article on jameson's wall . . . so that lets us know he could come back . . .
Maître d’ . . . 'nuff said.
I really really really really REALLY liked how Harry's most devestating blow and the most painful injury he inflicted on Peter didn't involve a flying snowboard or razorblades popping out of his forearms.
I do hope Dunst and Toby come back to make a Spidey 4 . . . and the director learns from this one and gets back to what made the first 2 great - slower with more substance . . . the substance is what makes the fight mean something.
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satori
05-06-2007, 03:19 AM
I didn't hate it.
brian1625
05-06-2007, 03:58 AM
I enjoyed it.. but I had low expectations for Venom, and eh it came out alright. Still to me Venom is a bigger guy... The quarterback of the football team is how I've always seen him.... Spidey vs Venom is like Nerd vs Jock.
And the whole "This was your Uncle's real killer" excuse for a plot was lame.
darknessgp
05-06-2007, 04:50 AM
well, I'm in fairly well agreement with most everyone hear. First 2/3rds were good, last bit needs lots of work.
It utterly pissed me off that they screwed Venom... 'nuff said.
Brian1625, you are correct. Eddie Brock is supposed to be a really buff guy, one of the reason Venom chooses to take him over. Yes, TAKE HIM OVER. As in Eddie isn't in control.
While watching, did anyone else think that Topher Grace would have made a much better Peter Parker? I got that feeling quite a bit.
It should be noted though, that I've read the comics and watched the TV cartoon show. And I was cool with the movie, but it was like they somewhat followed the comics and then at some point in the middle just let it all loose and went in any direction they wanted. It's sure to piss off a bunch of comic book and cartoon show fans, myself included.
Also, me and my friends discussed this and we all feel like they were trying to do like 3 different stories that involved all the same characters all at once. Causing confusion and lack of any connection to the characters. I would definitely say that this is the worst of the 3 Spider-man movies.
divadawg9234
05-06-2007, 04:59 AM
And the whole "This was your Uncle's real killer" excuse for a plot was lame. lame or brilliant, for making Peter all regretful for pushing the other guy to his death...? Ok Brilliant is a bit strong, but I bought it and got the reasoning for it.
gi_josh
05-06-2007, 01:38 PM
(even if they overdrew his lips with pink lipstick and made his lips look chapped. Did anybody else notice that?).
That bothered me te ENTIRE film. what the heck was that?
gojira
05-06-2007, 07:34 PM
I liked this film more than the previous two. It's not a fantastically great film, but I don't think any of them are. My favorite part about the movie was probably the close of the Harry Osborne arc. I could've lived without the Xtreme version of the Goblin though. My least favorite part was how Venom seemed tacked on. I love Venom, and personally would've been fine waiting until #4 to have him as a main villain.
psbp516
05-06-2007, 08:55 PM
I liked this film more than the previous two. It's not a fantastically great film, but I don't think any of them are. My favorite part about the movie was probably the close of the Harry Osborne arc. I could've lived without the Xtreme version of the Goblin though. My least favorite part was how Venom seemed tacked on. I love Venom, and personally would've been fine waiting until #4 to have him as a main villain.
I was thinking about how they were going to handle venom in the next film, and I realized it would be incredibly retarded since all peter has to do is go to a music store or get some random pieces of metal. They ruined venom....
xibalba
05-06-2007, 09:51 PM
was the film better than this? not in english and is 24 mins long. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDh__j3h1qE
popltree2
05-07-2007, 01:00 AM
was the film better than this? not in english and is 24 mins long. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDh__j3h1qE
When did the Power Rangers start attacking Spiderman?
xibalba
05-07-2007, 01:09 AM
I think it is from 1978 I believe
darknessgp
05-07-2007, 03:33 AM
lame or brilliant, for making Peter all regretful for pushing the other guy to his death...? Ok Brilliant is a bit strong, but I bought it and got the reasoning for it.
I'd go with lame. It in no way made me think he regretted killing the other guy, if anything it basically gave me the impression that Peter was mad that he wasn't done with the whole getting Ben's killer. It to me totally came off as a "I killed one guy, time to go get the other one." Even the end where he forgives Sandman to me totally came off as "I can't kill you, so I'll forgive you." I really couldn't connect with Parker as I did in the other movies.
gi_josh
05-07-2007, 12:30 PM
I'd go with lame. It in no way made me think he regretted killing the other guy, if anything it basically gave me the impression that Peter was mad that he wasn't done with the whole getting Ben's killer. It to me totally came off as a "I killed one guy, time to go get the other one." Even the end where he forgives Sandman to me totally came off as "I can't kill you, so I'll forgive you." I really couldn't connect with Parker as I did in the other movies.
I'm not really sure you were SUPPOSED to be able to connect with Peter through most of the movie. He was on a killing warpath, and he was alienating and hurting those that he cares about the most.
brian1625
05-07-2007, 12:47 PM
lame or brilliant, for making Peter all regretful for pushing the other guy to his death...? Ok Brilliant is a bit strong, but I bought it and got the reasoning for it.
He fell backwards, he wasn't pushed :p Just Spidey didn't save him when he probably could have.
But there were NO clues in the first one that someone else may have killed Ben, though it would have been AWESOME if that was so. Have the guy say "I didn't do it, Let me Explain!" Let the story burn until the 3rd one.
darknessgp
05-07-2007, 02:30 PM
I'm not really sure you were SUPPOSED to be able to connect with Peter through most of the movie. He was on a killing warpath, and he was alienating and hurting those that he cares about the most.
True, except towards the end of the movie where he's back to normal and is all apologetic, to both sandman and Harry.
poltah
05-07-2007, 04:08 PM
I am SO disappointed. What kind of crap movie is this?
After Peter and Harry’s initial battle, Harry suffers from amnesia, he regains his memory and resumes his vengeance trip against Parker by leaving Mary Jane with the dilemma of ending her relationship with Peter if she wants him to survive. This makes for a ridiculous scene in which MJ tear-eyed breaks up with Peter, and then continues working at a jazz bar like nothing has happened. Now, why the hell didn’t she just tell Peter about the threat, she knows he can look out for himself, and she doesn’t at all seem traumatized about the fact that her former boyfriend and long-time friend Harry is suddenly a psychotic fruitcake. Useless sub-story that isn’t even brought up later in the movie.
So, Peter gets infected with the symbiote and his behaviour starts changing. How can you see this? He gets a ****ing emo hair-due.
Connor's tell us that the symbiote makes ones feelings stronger. I guess Peter was just one horny bastard before he got the symbiot, because what kind of moviebreakingstupidasscrap scene was that where he's dancing on the street?
I was seriously considering leaving during that scene.
The scenes are retarded, and end with Peter suddenly realizing he’s acting like an idiot, when he accidently shoves Mary Jane. Oh really, shoving her did the trick, but breaking her heart by dancing with Gwen and trying to kill his best friend didn’t? Right.
It might have worked if he'd hit her without the black suit. Because then it would really have been a big deal, here it was just like "The suit did it."
Also, there’s a minor detail about the symbiot that bugged me; in the movie it’s portrayed as if the symbiot has taken over the suit, since it’s become black, and not Peter, since he’s able to take it off. But why does he have to struggle with it in the church? I know it has gripped onto him, it’s just poorly presented.
The whole butler thing was so retarded. One thing you should never do in a story, is to have the bad guy suddenly team up with the good guy to fighter somebody else. Unless you're really skilled, unless you really know what you're doing.
You shouldn't ****ing have a guy hate the hero for two ****ing movies and then suddenly have his butler go "Oh by the way, I know I've only appeared in this movie all of the sudden, and my only function is really to be a very not creative way of making you good. But anyways, I knew all along that Peter didn't kill your father. So you can be a good guy now? How's that for a twist" I'll tell you, a ****ing stupid one.
Naturally Harry goes to help Peter in the final battle against Sandman and Venom, eventually ending up saving Peter and dying himself by jumping in front of his glider, thrown by Venom at Peter. Aftwards you have the typical sunset scene in which Mary Jane and Peter are kneeling at Harry as he dies, and then Sandman explains that his killing of Ben was an accident, and Peter forgives him. ‘Cliché’ doesn’t even cover it.
Why ON EARTH did Sandman want to kill spider-man? He got his ass kicked once, and then suddenly he's all "REVENGE, BWAHAHAHA". That's stupid. He spent most of the movie being all like "I just want to save my daughter". STUPID.
There are a lot of weird coincidences in Spider-Man 3, it seems like they couldn’t really figure out a proper way to explain some parts, or maybe they just didn’t have enough time, the movie is pretty cramped together as it is. Anyway, we have the symbiot conviniently landing (with no further explanation) right next to Peter and Mary Jane, and Flint Marko just so happens to stumble upon an unguarded and unmonitored particle accelerator (happens all the time), the scientists do notice some changes to the contents of the reactor, but “it’s probably just a bird”. Now, come on. Not only would a particle accelerator be locked up, INSIDE, it would also be guarded by something more than a damn fence. And it doesn’t even have any cameras near it. What are they doing with it anyway? Lastly we have Eddie Brock walking into the exact same church as Peter, pff.
Sandman was cool, incredible CGI, cool battles, but my prefered villain in Spider-Man 3 is the New Goblin. Nice outfit, exciting fights, and, contrary to Eddie’s motives, you can understand why Harry wants Peter dead.
If the cliché ending wasn’t enough; we also have a scene of Spidey jumping past a huge American flag before entering the final battle. Similar scenes (in the endings) almost ruined the previous movies for me, and it’s repulsive in this movie as well. Why do they have to compare Peter’s fight to some sort of American patriotism in such an obvious, disgusting way? Like we don’t see enough over-patriotic Americans already.
And WAAAY too many kids and people clapping their hands and yelling "go spidey".
What a stupid movie.
poltah
05-07-2007, 04:22 PM
And what's up with the suit making Peter horny?
gi_josh
05-07-2007, 04:33 PM
Poltah, you mention the symbiote as the suit and Peter can take it off, I can explain that.
You see, Peter wasn't evil to begin with, and he genuinely had good intentions. So, the suit bonded with him and began to amplify agression, but Peter didn't know it was a symbiote at first. The symbiote, a living creature mind you, knew that if it bonded with Peter and refused to come off from the start, if would freak Peter out and it would lose it's host before it's hold on Peter was strong enough to keep Peter from getting rid of it. The symbiote had to play it "lowkey" so to speak and ease its way into Peter's psyche until it could finally show it's true colors, which it never got to do on Peter.
When the symbiote went to Eddie, however, Eddie knew instantly that it was no ordinary suit, and he had all this rage brewing anyway. That's why the suit bonded so well and became very symbiote-like instantly on Eddie, because Eddie embraced it from the very beginning.
poltah
05-07-2007, 04:35 PM
Poltah, you mention the symbiote as the suit and Peter can take it off, I can explain that.
You see, Peter wasn't evil to begin with, and he genuinely had good intentions. So, the suit bonded with him and began to amplify agression, but Peter didn't know it was a symbiote at first. The symbiote, a living creature mind you, knew that if it bonded with Peter and refused to come off from the start, if would freak Peter out and it would lose it's host before it's hold on Peter was strong enough to keep Peter from getting rid of it. The symbiote had to play it "lowkey" so to speak and ease its way into Peter's psyche until it could finally show it's true colors, which it never got to do on Peter.
When the symbiote went to Eddie, however, Eddie knew instantly that it was no ordinary suit, and he had all this rage brewing anyway. That's why the suit bonded so well and became very symbiote-like instantly on Eddie, because Eddie embraced it from the very beginning.
Yeah, I know. It was just illustrated extremely poorly in the movie.
gi_josh
05-07-2007, 05:30 PM
Yeah, I know. It was just illustrated extremely poorly in the movie.
I will agree with you on that, it could have been handled better just by tweaking it slightly...
poltah
05-07-2007, 06:00 PM
I can't think of anything they couldn't have handled better. Except maybe for the scene where we first see Sandman, that was awesome.
But what the heck is up with his origin story? He randomly falls into a democuliziserwhateverthatis and the people that controls the experiment are like "Hmm, the biomass in the chamber has changed. Surely somebody didn't climb our fence and fall in there, it must be a bird. Yeah, it'll probably fly away and let's never look at the monitor again before we begin the experiment".
pissedgodzilla
05-07-2007, 08:48 PM
I can't think of anything they couldn't have handled better. Except maybe for the scene where we first see Sandman, that was awesome.
But what the heck is up with his origin story? He randomly falls into a democuliziserwhateverthatis and the people that controls the experiment are like "Hmm, the biomass in the chamber has changed. Surely somebody didn't climb our fence and fall in there, it must be a bird. Yeah, it'll probably fly away and let's never look at the monitor again before we begin the experiment".
The thing for me in that scene, as i am a scientist In the real world, is why they wouldn't have cameras on the test area. I mean if they are trying to find out some sort of particle work, why wouldn't someone be physically watching the experiment? seriously lame.
That said, I will keep my review short and sweet, the movie is what it is: it's not great, but it was worth me seeing it once. 5 out of 10
gm_wil
05-07-2007, 10:49 PM
You see, Peter wasn't evil to begin with, and he genuinely had good intentions. So, the suit bonded with him and began to amplify agression, but Peter didn't know it was a symbiote at first. The symbiote, a living creature mind you, knew that if it bonded with Peter and refused to come off from the start, if would freak Peter out and it would lose it's host before it's hold on Peter was strong enough to keep Peter from getting rid of it. The symbiote had to play it "lowkey" so to speak and ease its way into Peter's psyche until it could finally show it's true colors, which it never got to do on Peter.
oh my god . . . this just summed up my last relationship!
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gi_josh
05-08-2007, 12:06 AM
I can't think of anything they couldn't have handled better. Except maybe for the scene where we first see Sandman, that was awesome.
But what the heck is up with his origin story? He randomly falls into a democuliziserwhateverthatis and the people that controls the experiment are like "Hmm, the biomass in the chamber has changed. Surely somebody didn't climb our fence and fall in there, it must be a bird. Yeah, it'll probably fly away and let's never look at the monitor again before we begin the experiment".
Nuclear testing is how sandman got his powers in the comics, and while nuclear power wasn't mentioned in the movie, we really aren't sure what was going on there, but it was some sort of test, which is VERY close to what happened in the comics. Yes, normal scientists would have had cameras, but come on, who does dangerous "demolecularizations" in the park blocked only by a cheapo fence either? This isn't real world, this is marvel world.
poltah
05-08-2007, 06:23 AM
Nuclear testing is how sandman got his powers in the comics, and while nuclear power wasn't mentioned in the movie, we really aren't sure what was going on there, but it was some sort of test, which is VERY close to what happened in the comics. Yes, normal scientists would have had cameras, but come on, who does dangerous "demolecularizations" in the park blocked only by a cheapo fence either? This isn't real world, this is marvel world.
But they still have to make the movie believable, and the only believable villain origins in this movie was Green Goblin 2s. Dark Spidey was just like "Hey, random asteroid falling very conviently next to Mary Jane and Peter", and Venom was "By coinsidence Eddie walked into the same church where Peter was fighting his suit."
Sandman, while being a very cool villain, his origin was just so lame. It made absolutely no sense and it seemed like quick and bad writing from the writers part.
mrhaines
05-16-2007, 08:20 PM
I am SO disappointed. What kind of crap movie is this?
What a stupid movie.
This is the first movie in a long time that I thought was so bad I wanted to walk out of it. The actor who plays Peter Parker is absolutely horrible and the whole movie was a big joke. The ONLY thing I enjoyed about the movie was the scene with spiderman sitting on top of the building emptying the sand out of his boots and he says "where do these guys keep coming from?" Other than that, this movie was pretty much crap. Special effects aren't enough anymore...next time invest the money in a good script and better actors.
bobafettjm
05-16-2007, 09:46 PM
Well I really liked it....so :p
gm_wil
05-16-2007, 10:28 PM
I'll always see tobey M as spiderman . . . just like chris reeve is superman and keaton is batman . . . and the dark knight will always be christian bale.
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inhalent
05-17-2007, 12:17 AM
Spiderman 3 killed my childhood. What was once a beloved memory of a favorite childhood superhero is now nothing but an overproduced poorly written cinematic disappointment.
ebisch
05-17-2007, 03:28 AM
There really was nothing fundamentally wrong with the first two and it seemed as though Rami tried a little to hard to stick to that formula, which is illustrated very nicely by Mark Bell of FilmThreat (http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=features&Id=1937)
While the sequences with Sandman were fantastic I whole-heartedly beleive that Topher Grace did the best job he could as Venom and I blame the mockery that is movie Venom more on the producers and Rami than Topher himself.
Also the whole "Badass Peter" while he was walking and dancing around looks like what would happen if Bret Ratner remade Swingers, a horrible sham of a film.
comhcinc
05-17-2007, 03:31 AM
question: how many people here read the comics?
ebisch
05-17-2007, 03:38 AM
question: how many people here read the comics?
While I grew up primarily on the cartoon version I am proud to say that I spent many a Sunday afternoon routing through my dad's boxes of old comics and have read about all there is to read.