'Flight of the Hermaphrohawk' - Otherwise Known As General Discussion for 5/9/07

[paper]

The adventure continues.

Morning, everybody.

[fred]

nice title
good morning

[paper]

There was a 'Free Paris' T-shirt sighting on campus yesterday.

I love media saturation!

[fred]

that's awesome. She really needs your support.

[acomicbookgirl]

Morning all..

[kwok_talk]

Morning.

If Hilton was in Brubaker's first DD trade, would she be:
a) Daredevil
b) Punisher
c) Kingpin
d) Bullseye

[fred]

I think she'd be the Vulture

[ekval]

She apparently wrote a letter to the Governator asking to be pardoned....

[k33k3r]

HAHAHA that's quality. How long is she suppose to be behind bars?
I can't believe Daddy didn't pull some strings to get her to walk

[fred]

she was sentenced to 45 days

[ekval]

Doesn't everyone, even her fans at some deep down level, actually want her to go to jail?

I mean, it is only going to make her more popular.

And maybe she can do another film while in there *coughs*

[k33k3r]

The first one was dumb. Oh you aren't talking about her television show...

[alexg]

Morning all--another fine Wednesday--I'm happy, my wallet cries.

Yeah, I kind of agree with Ekval, I think many people take pleasure in watching Hilton suffer a bit. There's a German word for that I believe--Schodenfr-(forget it, can't spell it).

Our media culture is seems to enjoy building people up so that we can take them down. I think I'm guilty of getting enjoyment out of this too.

[iSteve]

Good morning fellow iFanboys,

Love the name of the thread. Hermaphrohawk makes his/her reappearance on the forum.

On the Paris question, I'm not cheering that she's going to jail, but on the other hand, I have no sympathy for her. She's a spoiled heiress. She's famous for being famous. Actually, she's famous for her non-stop partying, showing her who-ha to anyone with a camera, and performing oral sex on boyfriends. I don't think 45 days in a county jail will do her any harm.

[iSteve]

Headlines of the Weird

Unarmed, one legged man escapes cops (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48349&in_page_id=2)

Imaginary friend sold on eBay by real 'friend' (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48180&in_page_id=2)

Man takes driving test drunk, fails (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070508/od_nm/germany_driver_dc)

Doctor finds spiders in boy's ear (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_fe_st/odd_spider_boy;_ylt=ArW7XZF3JGKBphlsImp4r5kZ.3QA)

[k33k3r]

It might sober her up some and put her through widthdrawl.

[fred]

Morning all--another fine Wednesday--I'm happy, my wallet cries.

Yeah, I kind of agree with Ekval, I think many people take pleasure in watching Hilton suffer a bit. There's a German word for that I believe--Schodenfr-(forget it, can't spell it).

Our media culture is seems to enjoy building people up so that we can take them down. I think I'm guilty of getting enjoyment out of this too.

the word is Schadenfreude. it's German for 'pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune'

it's near to my heart

[fred]

It might sober her up some and put her through widthdrawl.

for what? c*ck?

EDIT: Can't believe I had to edit that myself when I can't even say ***** or *****

[fred]

Good morning fellow iFanboys,

Love the name of the thread. Hermaphrohawk makes his/her reappearance on the forum.


hermaphrohawk is always with us

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/fredhosley/DC52Week7-024.gif

[iSteve]

I propose that Hermaphrohawk be adopted as the official superhero mascot of the iFanboy forum.

[k33k3r]

Second that

[fred]

do we have enough here for a quorom?

[iSteve]

Sure we do. All in favor say "aye." "Aye!" Motion passed.

[fred]

nice. a victory for the lgbt superhero community

[horatio616]

Script sample from Hermaphrohawk #1: Double Trouble

Hermaphrohawk: Release the bank president! And put his pants back on!

The Green Fetish: Go f**k yourself, Hermaphrohawk!

Hermaphrohawk: Oh, I plan on it, as soon as you're back behind bars!

Stay tuned for issue 2 where HH battles Red Fetish, Green Fetish's adopted heroin-addled son.

[fred]

I would buy that
can we get john waters to write it?

[horatio616]

I would buy that
can we get john waters to write it?

It would be cool to see Hermaphrohawk eat dog poop.

[fred]

I'm excited for the waters-style origin story

[drwally]

she was sentenced to 45 days

I just got the full Paris news, and she's been bad. Actually, she was driving with a suspended license the first time she got arrested with a DUI, but they missed it. Now I think it's two DUI's, and either one or two driving with suspended liscence, which all spells "I am above the law," which spells, "We are going to therefore make an example of you."

On a brighter note, the whole Paris Hilton event gave the Republican party the diversion it needed to not have its presidential candidate debate become the butt of too many more punchlines...

*sigh*

Ronald Reagan mentioned 19 times, George W. Bush mentioned twice, and Giuliani stood up as a defender of family values. This from the guy who dumped his first wife on TV, didn't he?

[comhcinc]

Waters really should do comics

[drwally]

Waters really should do comics

He really should, he'd be perfect for the medium, especially with the right artist. But Hermaphrohawk?

Hey, from the LGBT reader's view, it's always been about Hawkman's very manly man nipples, no dress, although that's not my thing.

Was that graphic? "Manly Man Nipples."

[iSteve]

DrWally, love the avatar.

[comhcinc]

I just got the full Paris news, and she's been bad. Actually, she was driving with a suspended license the first time she got arrested with a DUI, but they missed it. Now I think it's two DUI's, and either one or two driving with suspended liscence, which all spells "I am above the law," which spells, "We are going to therefore make an example of you."this whole thing is just silly. i mean who really cares? i saw this on kieth oberman(where he was making funny of the fact she couldn't type) the only way this becomes important is if the governor actually takes the time to think about her pardon.i have no problem with him giving her one, i just think he has more important things on his plate

On a brighter note, the whole Paris Hilton event gave the Republican party the diversion it needed to not have its presidential candidate debate become the butt of too many more punchlines...

*sigh*

Ronald Reagan mentioned 19 times, George W. Bush mentioned twice, and Giuliani stood up as a defender of family values. This from the guy who dumped his first wife on TV, didn't he?
the dems didn't have much of a debate either. the scary thing was that out of the ten, three don't "believe" in evolution

[drwally]

DrWally, love the avatar.

"Bah! Just wait until the world is mine!" (the voice you hear is coming from the little radio).

In Earth-Tokyo Continuity (now 12:43 am), I've been either working my tin can ass off or fighting a terrible cold that's going around. My sinus infection is just now clearing up...

[alexg]

the dems didn't have much of a debate either. the scary thing was that out of the ten, three don't "believe" in evolution

Seriously man...I mean, gravity and light are technically theories too. We don't know what gravity is, Newton had ideas, so did Einstein, but does that mean we can choose to disbelieve.

Pope John Paul II even acknowledge the veracity of evolution. But hey, 'believe' whatever you want, free country.

[drwally]

the dems didn't have much of a debate either. the scary thing was that out of the ten, three don't "believe" in evolution

Mark Riley is now the only guy I listen to on AAR as he's the least partisan and most realistic, and one of his guests made the same points -- both the Democrats and Republican candidates are barely scratching the surface on the Iraq issue, while it still rages on, which is tragic. But hey, this far from the election, and with this many candidates, it really is the job of Congress to deal with Iraq. The candidates for President? Talk to me in one year. I thought having the debate at Reagan's library was pretty transparent. Nobody, not even conservatives, are going to buy that one.

Since so many Democrats running for President are actually current members of Congress, how they vote, and if they around to vote, in the next year should be important.

Riley had a funny remark on the evolution thing - he said three raised their hands when asked about believing in evolution, then their "knuckles hit the ground again."

That said, Japanese TV is pretty lame too. They have also refined the art of putting out pap to keep atttention away from real issues. I saw a CNN Asia interview of Prime Minister Abe and his wife, and the interviewer said, "As the First Lady of Japan, they call you the Hillary Clinton of Japan, what do you think of the comparison?"

The old guy behind the Ramen counter and I looked at each other, and were like, "First Lady what? This is the first time we've ever seen the woman's face on TV!"

(BTW, the last earthquake widely reported to have hit Tokyo was actually on the other side of the country...)

DMZ is a REALLY great book though, THAT is my thrilling latest discovery...

[comhcinc]

Seriously man...I mean, gravity and light are technically theories too. We don't know what gravity is, Newton had ideas, so did Einstein, but does that mean we can choose to disbelieve.

Pope John Paul II even acknowledge the veracity of evolution. But hey, 'believe' whatever you want, free country.

for a minute there i thought you were supporting these loons. sorry.

what really gets to me is the useage of the word "believe" you can choose to either accept a theory or dismiss it. but you can't believe in it.you believe in the great pumkin. by allowing religious nutcases to continue to use that terminology we allow them to control the agrument. they want a faith vs faith debate because they feel that they faith will win out.

[drwally]

for a minute there i thought you were supporting these loons. sorry.

what really gets to me is the useage of the word "believe" you can choose to either accept a theory or dismiss it. but you can't believe in it.you believe in the great pumkin. by allowing religious nutcases to continue to use that terminology we allow the to control the agrument. they want a faith vs faith debate because they feel that they faith will win out.

My sympathies on this issue is more with the residents of states like Alabama. People can choose to believe what they want, but all parents of all 50 states deserve the right to have their kids get basic scientific education, not Sunday School class Monday-Friday, as mandated by politicians with religious agenda. Sunday School is great, but great on Sunday, and for those who want to go.

[darron]

Man o man, you guys crack me up. Has Hermaphrohawk been brought up recently, or was 'Flight of the Hermaphrohawk' all paper's idea?

[iSteve]

Man o man, you guys crack me up. Has Hermaphrohawk been brought up recently, or was 'Flight of the Hermaphrohawk' all paper's idea?

It started sometime back when I was trying to explain how the title "Hawkman" had become "Hawkgirl." Fred coined the term, "Hermaphrohawk."

[darron]

Nah good sir, not that. I remember that (and give credit where credit it due*)...I just meant the abundance of Hermaphrohawk talk.

* ;-)

[drwally]

Here's a weird question -- Does Darwyn Cooke and Michael Lark draw more realistic boobies than someone like Jim Lee, or am I just queer?

I was leafing through my copy of Batman: Hush before reading it, just after reading a Catwoman illustrated by Cooke, and I thought a couple of Lee's drawings of Catwoman made me think of the bulbs of those things you use to put in eye drops...

Ditto goes for those pictures advertising Thunderbolts -- Melons, yes. Eggplants even....but not real human...

or maybe I'm just queer...

[comhcinc]

i am sorry but i find this so funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8

[conorkilpatrick]

Yar, Canada is out of luck, me hearties!

Warner Bros. cancels Canada previews

TORONTO - Canadian film lovers hoping to catch an early peek at "Ocean's Thirteen" and the upcoming Harry Potter sequel will be out of luck after Warner Bros. canceled all of its advance screenings and accused Canada of being at the forefront of the piracy market.

Darcy Antonellis, Warner Bros.' senior vice president of worldwide anti-piracy operations, defended the move Tuesday, saying weak Canadian copyright rules have made the country a haven for organized crime syndicates to make and sell illegal DVDs.

It is currently not a criminal offense in Canada to make recordings of movies in theaters for personal use. In order to prosecute a pirate, there must be proof that the copy of the film is being made for commercial purposes.

"Canada does have the highest camcording rate (by individuals in theaters) of any other territory," Antonellis said Tuesday by phone from Los Angeles.

"This is eliminating one of the avenues of leaks that we have already identified."

Warner Bros. said roughly 70 per cent of its releases have been pirated in Canada over the last 18 months.

The studio's ban on advance screenings, affecting roughly a dozen Canadian cities, will begin immediately. Movies affected include the upcoming Brad Pitt-George Clooney film "Ocean's Thirteen" and the hotly anticipated "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix."

The move is less severe than one proposed last year by 20th Century Fox, which threatened to push back the release date of its films in Canada over the same issue.

[comhcinc]

yeah big global corperation! boo canada!

[alexg]

Oh man...I can't tell if that video is funny, scary, or sad...I think it's all of em.

Sorry if my previous post was confusing--I do not support any crazies or extremist of any stripe. Intolerance is the only thing I will not tolerate.

[darron]

I can't tell if that video is funny, scary, or sad...I think it's all of em.

Minus the funny part.

[alexg]

That video has me thinking about what beliefs we try to indoctrinate our kids with in kids programming here.

I would think the average kids program aimed at the same age group that video is aimed at would push tolerance, acceptance, and some basic counting skills. Maybe I'm wrong.

Makes me also wonder how much of the stuff kids see on tv soaks into their brains.

[comhcinc]

.

Sorry if my previous post was confusing--I do not support any crazies or extremist of any stripe. Intolerance is the only thing I will not tolerate.
nah it was my bad. my dander was up and i misread


Minus the funny part.

come on the idea that a bunch of american hating religious extremist best solution for reaching their youth is a guy in a bad mickey mouse outfit isn't funny to you?

[fred]

wow! that's all I can say. wow!

mickey mouse is an interesting choice

[darron]

come the idea that a bunch of american hating religious extremist best solution for reaching their youth is a guy in a bad mickey mouse outfit isn't funny to you?

Not in the least.

[alexg]

I wonder if anyone at Disney has seen that...

[comhcinc]

I wonder if anyone at Disney has seen that...

it doesn't matter there is nothing that can be done. they don't have copyright laws over there

[fred]

I wonder if anyone at Disney has seen that...

can you imagine the showdown? lawyers vs suicide bombers - I can't say that doesn't sound appealing.

[drwally]

can you imagine the showdown? lawyers vs suicide bombers - I can't say that doesn't sound appealing.

Reality Check for US peoples -- Mickey Mouse's copyright protection has expired in all countries except the US. The only reason Disney still has copyright protection (only in the US) is because Disney successfully lobbied the Republican controlled congress for an extremely unusual extension of the life span of the copyright the year it was due to expire, and Mickey was scheduled to become US public domain. Before being voted out of power, the past Congress gave Disney special copyright protection.

Disney is now officially screwed in Japan because even their movies which are over 50 years old have lost copyright protection. 50 years is the standard timespan intellectual property is given before it becomes public domain. Small time sellers can sell bad copies at the cheapest of prices, and not pay Disney a single yen in royalities, totally legit.

You decide: "The Road to 9/11," the ABC documentary which claimed it was based on the 9/11 Commission's report but was condemned by the same Commission as being full of factual errors and political bias, came out the same time as Mickey got his special copyright protection. ABC is owned by Disney.

That Hamas is using Mickey DOES seem pretty funny to me, in that people with extreme political agendas have this continual ability to be blatantly transparent and ridicuolous in their propaganda. In a way, it's kind of the M.O. of groups like that -- "We'll poop on your country and use your own icons to do it, too, so there!"

[fred]

In issue 29 of 52, Ted Grant calls Infinity Inc. a bunch of 'jerkoffs'. I love Ted Grant.

[comhcinc]

Reality Check for US peoples -- Mickey Mouse's copyright protection has expired in all countries except the US. yeah thus the name "mickey mouse laws" in fact nothing has gone out of copyright since the creation of mickey mouse(unless the copyright holder fails to renew)

That Hamas is using Mickey DOES seem pretty funny to me, in that people with extreme political agendas have this continual ability to be blatantly transparent and ridicuolous in their propaganda. In a way, it's kind of the M.O. of groups like that -- "We'll poop on your country and use your own icons to do it, too, so there!"

yeah that was my take pretty much. but i also like the fact that all the calls are from preteens. what 12 year old is into mickey mouse?

[drwally]

In issue 29 of 52, Ted Grant calls Infinity Inc. a bunch of 'jerkoffs'. I love Ted Grant.

I find all the Ted Grant love very fascinating, and trying not to spill over to much from the Superman thread, its interesting how Wildcat has become so popular even though he is as much a product of the Golden Age of comics as Superman or Batman. When you look that far back, you can actually find stuff that resonates with today.

It is funny that Luthor chose Infinity Inc. for his team... that is a pretty funny choice, and quite appropriate. I was going to read the old series, but I could never get past the mohawk, and I used know many people with mohawks...

[fred]

Wildcat kicks ass. Paper's a big fan too.

[cam-]

Wildcat kicks ass. Paper's a big fan too.

I wonder how popular he is outside of this forum though? I mean I love him, and JSA sells pretty well but a wildcat solo? Hmmmmmm.

Just got back from lunch where I stumbled across an article about the Mickey Mouse thing and thought ooooh I've got to track footage of that down, good old forum, y'all never let me down.

[fred]

I was actually going to say that too. He's a big deal around here - I don't know about the rest of the world though.

[k33k3r]

I'm sure we aren't the only people that like him but I don't see how stand alone doing that well

[drwally]

yeah thus the name "mickey mouse laws" in fact nothing has gone out of copyright since the creation of mickey mouse(unless the copyright holder fails to renew)

yeah that was my take pretty much. but i also like the fact that all the calls are from preteens. what 12 year old is into mickey mouse?

Well, we forget how old Mickey is -- my mother is the same age, 80. I can't remember if 70 or 75 years is the maximum limit before something has to enter the public domain, but Disney got a "special right." The big corporations are really scrambling now to get some really, really old copyright laws changed, because just think -- Superman could become public domain within the next 10 years, unless Time Warner buys from Congress the same special break Mickey got. Once stuff between 1938-1945 goes public domain...Superman belongs to US. Unless Congress is bought off. This is starting to become pretty current, and I really don't like the current trend in copyright law where if you are a multimillion dollar corporation that has barely had an original idea in over 75 years, you get a special break, but the little guys gets sued by an army of corporate lawyers.

As for Hamas -- I have a feeling their continued popularity will depend alot on electricity, plumbing, and jobs. They can do all the Mickey Mouse crap they want, but I think the Palestinians basically just want jobs, electricity, and running water.

Boy oh Boy, am I a radical thinker....

[alexg]

As for Hamas -- I have a feeling their continued popularity will depend alot on electricity, plumbing, and jobs. They can do all the Mickey Mouse crap they want, but I think the Palestinians basically just want jobs, electricity, and running water.
....

isn't this the reason a lot of these groups use all the hate tactics? Keep an enemy that you can things on to deflect any responsiblity you have to your own people kind of thing?

[drwally]

I'm sure we aren't the only people that like him but I don't see how stand alone doing that well

I don't see Ted Grant as being a stand alone, but look at the rest of the JSA -- it's this huge crew of tremendously superpowered folk. Ted Grant is like the "everyman" of the group, and kind of like everybody's favorite uncle.

The others could take down Godzilla, but who would you rather have a beer with? I think that falls under "team dynamic."

[drwally]

isn't this the reason a lot of these groups use all the hate tactics? Keep an enemy that you can things on to deflect any responsiblity you have to your own people kind of thing?

Very astute observation. Problem -- it only works for so long.
Example: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

[comhcinc]

the history of us copyright law in the 20th century is the history of mickey mouse. every time mickey is about to become public domain the copyrighs were extended. this is a very good example of how outdate copyright law is. it really needs to be reworked. such as while i think dc should be able to control what happens with superman, action comics #1 should be in the public domain

[conorkilpatrick]

Every third or fourth post or so this thread comes very close to being closed.

Just an FYI.

[drwally]

the history of us copyright law in the 20th century is the history of mickey mouse. every time mickey is about to become public domain the copyrighs were extended. this is a very good example of how outdate copyright law is. it really needs to be reworked. such as while i think dc should be able to control what happens with superman, action comics #1 should be in the public domain

I think we could have an incredibly educated, astute, and productive conversation and solve the copyright problem in a way we both agree upon, but this is my worry -- in the end, and you probably agree, corporate financial influence over Congress will have more effect than it should have. I think this is true whether Dems or Republicans are in control. After all, it was Clinton that signed what I think was the awful omnibus copyright law in 1997 or 1998.

I think internet campaigns like the net neutrality campaign are the best hope, and that one did pretty well.

[alexg]

Every third or fourth post or so this thread comes very close to being closed.

Just an FYI.

Duly noted...and understandable.

[iSteve]

From Wikipedia article:

The Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act)—alternati vely known as the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act or pejoratively as the Mickey Mouse Protection Act—extended copyright terms in the United States by 20 years. Before the Act (under the Copyright Act of 1976), copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship; the Act extended these terms to life of the author plus 70 years and 95 years respectively. The Act also affected copyright terms for copyrighted works published prior to January 1, 1978, increasing their term of protection by 20 years as well. This effectively 'froze' the advancement date of the public domain in the United States for works covered by the older fixed term copyright rules. Under this Act, additional works made in 1923 or afterwards that were still copyrighted in 1998 will not enter the public domain until 2019, unless the owner of the copyright releases them into the public domain prior to that. Unlike copyright extension legislation in the European Union, the Sonny Bono Act did not revive copyrights that had already expired. The Act did extend the terms of protection set for works that were already copyrighted, and is retroactive in that sense. However, works created before January 1, 1978 but not published or registered for copyright until recently are addressed in a special section (17 U.S.C. § 303) and may remain protected until 2047. The Act became Public Law 105-298 on October 27, 1998.

Background

Under the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, the signatory states are required to provide copyright protection for a minimum term of the life of the author plus fifty years, but they are permitted to provide for a longer term of protection. Following the 1993 Directive on harmonising the term of copyright protection, member states of the European Union implemented protection for a term of the author's life plus seventy years. The United States did not become a Berne signatory until 1988, but had previously provided for the minimum copyright term the convention required in the Copyright Act of 1976.

Prior to the 1976 copyright act, many copyrighted literary works, movies and fictional characters were soon to pass into the public domain due to their 56 year maximum copyright terms. Some of these copyrighted items remained quite profitable for their copyright owners, including several characters owned by the Walt Disney Company. With the passage of the 1976 copyright act, early animated short films featuring Mickey Mouse such as Steamboat Willie and Plane Crazy would not enter the public domain until 2000 at the earliest due to their new 75 year copyright terms. Mickey Mouse and other characters also have protection as trade marks. In several countries (e.g. in Russia, where the Berne convention was not applied retroactively) Mickey Mouse and all other copyrighted works created before 1970 are now regarded as being in the public domain.

After the United States' accession to the Berne convention, a number of copyright owners successfully lobbied the U.S. Congress for another extension of the term of copyright, to provide for the same term of protection that exists in Europe. The act was named after the late Congressman Sonny Bono (who was killed in a ski accident more than nine months before the act became law), who had favored this position as a songwriter and filmmaker even prior to his entry into politics.

Both houses of the United States Congress passed the act as Public Law 105-298 with a voice vote,[1][2] making it impossible to determine who voted for or against. President Bill Clinton signed the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 on October 27, 1998.

[alexg]

I dread the idea of a fully corporatized internet...and yet I feel like net neutrality will be one of these issues that is debated in congress but no legislation is ever passed on out of fear of pissing off one group or another.

[comhcinc]

I think we could have an incredibly educated, astute, and productive conversation and solve the copyright problem in a way we both agree upon, but this is my worry -- in the end, and you probably agree, corporate financial influence over Congress will have more effect than it should have. I think this is true whether Dems or Republicans are in control. After all, it was Clinton that signed what I think was the awful omnibus copyright law in 1997 or 1998.

I think internet campaigns like the net neutrality campaign are the best hope, and that one did pretty well.

this is maybe the one issue where i tend to side with the corporations. i am just not happy with execution.

btw good pull steve

[drwally]

this is maybe the one issue where i tend to side with the corporations. i am just not happy with execution.

btw good pull steve

yes, great pull Steve. Wow, execution. That's it in a nutshell. I think too many people take the "moral" side of the argument, when the real question is enforcement, which until now, has been a complete and utter failure.

I think its pretty clear this is totally a non-partisan issue. The technology is just speeding up and the politicians, the courts, and the corporations can't seem to keep up, whatever law is passed, although I would bet if you did an actual survey, you would find far less people download than is thought.

Historical Perspective:

Edison owned the copyright to film, so therefore claimed the sole right to make films. This continued as a matter of law until the late 20s, but by then the founding film studios that have become the media giants of today had already totally captured the market.

The general reason given is this -- Edison studio films were boring. Films that were nominally "illegal" were much more exciting.

That reminds me, has anybody read "The Five Fists of Science" by Matt Fraction? Didn't he touch on this issue in that book, from a historical perspective?

[comhcinc]

I think its pretty clear this is totally a non-partisan issue. The technology is just speeding up and the politicians, the courts, and the corporations can't seem to keep up, whatever law is passed, although I would bet if you did an actual survey, you would find far less people download than is thought.yeah we really need to sit down and figure this all out instead of applying patch after patch to an outdated law


That reminds me, has anybody read "The Five Fists of Science" by Matt Fraction? Didn't he touch on this issue in that book, from a historical perspective?
that is on the read list. you should read The Trouble with Music (http://www.amazon.co.jp/Trouble-Music-Boff-Whalley/dp/1904859143/ref=sr_1_1/503-1264148-0161563?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1178742212&sr=8-1) by Mat Callahan. he goes in to this alot too

[drwally]

Changing topic a bit -- I just read the first trade of DMZ based on the iFanboy video discussion of Vertigo books (was that the one?) I am totally into it. I have to be honest, I have been through the first 4 trades of Ex Machina and I just can't get real excited by it.

It's probably an unfair comparison, but Ex Machina seems too...softcore, but that's me because I listen to too much politics. DMZ makes war much more real to me by dropping it right on top of the U.S., making it real, as in what if we were in the middle of the firefight, not watching it on TV. I really appreciate a gutsy book like that. This was the book that really made me think comics really do push an envelope that other media are afraid to push...

And I don't mind the cheaper paper quality. Almost adds to the appeal of the book. I was totally "huffing" the paper...

[alexg]

And I don't mind the cheaper paper quality. Almost adds to the appeal of the book. I was totally "huffing" the paper...

HA! Right there with ya! I kind of dig the cheaper paper for some reason.

[mastap]

Yar, Canada is out of luck, me hearties!

Warner Bros. cancels Canada previews

TORONTO - Canadian film lovers hoping to catch an early peek at "Ocean's Thirteen" and the upcoming Harry Potter sequel will be out of luck after Warner Bros. canceled all of its advance screenings and accused Canada of being at the forefront of the piracy market.

Darcy Antonellis, Warner Bros.' senior vice president of worldwide anti-piracy operations, defended the move Tuesday, saying weak Canadian copyright rules have made the country a haven for organized crime syndicates to make and sell illegal DVDs.

It is currently not a criminal offense in Canada to make recordings of movies in theaters for personal use. In order to prosecute a pirate, there must be proof that the copy of the film is being made for commercial purposes.

"Canada does have the highest camcording rate (by individuals in theaters) of any other territory," Antonellis said Tuesday by phone from Los Angeles.

"This is eliminating one of the avenues of leaks that we have already identified."

Warner Bros. said roughly 70 per cent of its releases have been pirated in Canada over the last 18 months.

The studio's ban on advance screenings, affecting roughly a dozen Canadian cities, will begin immediately. Movies affected include the upcoming Brad Pitt-George Clooney film "Ocean's Thirteen" and the hotly anticipated "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix."

The move is less severe than one proposed last year by 20th Century Fox, which threatened to push back the release date of its films in Canada over the same issue.

So this is why I had to go through goddamn metal detectors to see Spiderman 3 opening night

[paper]

Ted Grant's great, but I agree that he wouldn't work in a solo title. He's just a cool character to use for cameos and in team-ups.

Again, I'd be thrilled to see Wildcat Jr. team up with Robin.

[fred]

Again, I'd be thrilled to see Wildcat Jr. team up with Robin.

that would be awesome. or even Robin and Ted Grant

[paper]

Switch off the sidekicks. Ted Grant and Robin, Batman and Wildcat Jr.

[fred]

that would be cool

[darron]

Those are a couple of issues of Brave and the Bold I'd buy.

[paper]

Probably the only way I'd read Brave and the Bold. Blehhh......

Did they ever team up in the old school B&B? Wildcat and Bats, I mean?

[darron]

Brave and the Bold #110


Boo-ya! (http://auctions.yahoo.com/i:DC%201976%20Batman%20%26%20Wildcat%20Dead%20mans %20Quadrangle:242768256)

[fred]

hey paper
nova #2 is my pick this week
thanks for getting me to read #1

[jgg0610]

Was anybody else's copy of Iron Fist misprinted? Mine just seemed to start repeating pages every 4 pages or so.

[darron]

hey paper
nova #2 is my pick this week
thanks for getting me to read #1

AWESOME choice. Nova has been so fun thus far. I'm glad Ron mentioned it a few podcasts ago....I would have never picked it up otherwise.

[fred]

Was anybody else's copy of Iron Fist misprinted? Mine just seemed to start repeating pages every 4 pages or so.

mine was ok

[fred]

AWESOME choice. Nova has been so fun thus far. I'm glad Ron mentioned it a few podcasts ago....I would have never picked it up otherwise.

thanks. It has been really good. My reviews are done. I'm waiting for the pow to post here. They're up on my virb page though.

[paper]

I thought you hated #1....

[fred]

I thought you hated #1....

There were a few things that annoyed me but overall I liked it. I think sometimes I get so lost in trying to make my reviews amusing that it seems like I hate more things than I do.

[conorkilpatrick]

Brave and the Bold #110


Boo-ya! (http://auctions.yahoo.com/i:DC%201976%20Batman%20%26%20Wildcat%20Dead%20mans %20Quadrangle:242768256)

I HAVE THAT COMIC!!!

[alexg]

Cool, glad to see you like Nova fred!

Have you checked out the Annhilation stuff?

[fred]

Cool, glad to see you like Nova fred!

Have you checked out the Annhilation stuff?

I was buying it at first and I never got around to reading it so I dropped it

[darron]

Holy hell this cover just made my night!

http://www.comictreadmill.com/CTMBlogarchives/2006Images/BB110Cover.jpg

Wildcat is a cat! ON A MOTORCYCLE!

I've officially jumped the Ted Grant bandwagon. I liked him before....now he's an Über-pimp.

[fred]

I wish Ted Grant was my dad. We could go for rides on the CatCycle in the country on Sundays.

[alexg]

Johns has gotta bring that friggin Cat Cycle back...

[fred]

I'd buy that in hardcover

[darron]

The Catcycle = Greatest invention ever by a dude in a cat suit.

[alexg]

::making cat mask as I type::

[six-gun]

Hey everybody, I'm still having troubles getting on the boards and it's killing me. Tonight I don't have football and I'm going to call customer support for my ISP (sup Indian dude?) and see if I can get things sorted out. But man if this seperation from the community is killing me, my favorite part of the day is coming home and chatting with you guys about comics and misc. crap.

[paper]

Speaking of which, where did Mike get to? Is he on vacation?

[iSteve]

Speaking of which, where did Mike get to? Is he on vacation?

Yeah, I've missed him too.

[six-gun]

Yeah, I've missed him to.

You guys not been missing me? :)

[paper]

Well we knew what your deal was. Mike could have been kidnapped for we all know. He could be in the trunk of somebody's car. I'd call the police to investigate, but do they even have those in Canada? I mean other than the ones you pose for pictures with?

[six-gun]

Well we knew what your deal was. Mike could have been kidnapped for we all know. He could be in the trunk of somebody's car. I'd call the police to investigate, but do they even have those in Canada? I mean other than the ones you pose for pictures with?

I think it's time for the Ifanboy Rev3 JLA to assemble! (cause let's be honest, what's Omega Flight going to do?)

[paper]

What was the roster for that again? I never chose a character.

[fred]

Hey everybody, I'm still having troubles getting on the boards and it's killing me. Tonight I don't have football and I'm going to call customer support for my ISP (sup Indian dude?) and see if I can get things sorted out. But man if this seperation from the community is killing me, my favorite part of the day is coming home and chatting with you guys about comics and misc. crap.

excuse me sir, is your computer plugged in?
is your monitor turned on?
do you have electricity?

[fred]

(cause let's be honest, what's Omega Flight going to do?)

eat poutine and cry?

[paper]

The word 'pout' is right in it.

[fred]

it's time for the older brothers to put together a strike force to rescue Mike

[iSteve]

I'm in. We've got to save our Canadian friend.

[paper]

Oooh, it's like the Black Donnelleys!

[k33k3r]

Count me in

[paper]

Alright. We need weapons and transport. We can use hockey sticks. It'll be ironic.

[k33k3r]

Okay I suddenly get an image from South Park: Bigger, Long and Uncut where the US is invaded by Canada and they are using hockey sticks as weapons.

[fred]

Oooh, it's like the Black Donnelleys!

you mean we'll actually replace a good team?

[paper]

And then be slaughtered.

[fred]

And then be slaughtered.

well as long as we die in vain after taking out worthy people then I guess it's ok.

[paper]

Okay, so how are we getting there?

[comhcinc]

isn't the only way to travel in canada by dog sled?

[k33k3r]

don't forget about moose.... kidding

[comhcinc]

When I was a young lad I used to like girls,
I'd play with their corsets and fondle their curls.
'Till one day, my lady I caught with some churl,
Now you'd never get treated that way by a moose.

Chorus
Moose, moose, I likes a moose,
I've never had anything quite like a moose.
I've had lots of lovers, my life has been loose,
But I've never had anything quite like a moose.

Now when I'm in mood for a very good lay,
I go to my closet and get me some hay.
I go to my window and spread it around.
'Cause moose always come when there's hay on the ground.

Chorus...

Gorillas are all right on Saturday night,
Lions and tigers, they puts up a fight.
But it's just not the same when you slam your caboose,
As the feeling you get when you humps with a moose.

Chorus

I've done it with beasties with long flowing hair,
I'd do it with snakes if their fangs were not there.
I've done it with walrus, a monkey, and goose,
But it's just not the same when you screw with a moose.

Chorus

Now that I am old and advanced in my years,
I look back on my life and shed me no tears.
As I sit in my chair with my glass of Matheus,
Playing Hide-The-Salami with Melba the Moose.

Chorus...

[cam-]

I wouldn't worry about Mike too much. He's probably in some Euphoric state, or hungover state celebrating the Senators victory and advancement in the playoffs. He'll be back when they get the beats from the Sabres, all melancholic.

[fred]

I'm not takin no stinkin dog sled

[fred]

and I'm only bringing green ****ing money

[alexg]

Poutine for everyone!!!

[cam-]

Hey we have green money too! It's just 20's. Plus MORE COINS!!!

[fred]

you have freakin pirate money man

[comhcinc]

well pirate money is kinda neat

[cam-]

Pirate Money, pirate movies, gay marriage (another sort of pirate). We've all got parrots on our shouders too.

Ba Zing!

[jgg0610]

you have freakin pirate money man
You should really make that Monopoly money.

[k33k3r]

Pirate Money, pirate movies, gay marriage (another sort of pirate). We've all got parrots on our shouders too.

Ba Zing!

Aren't they planning on creating another coin as well?
As if you don't have enough of them already.

[cam-]

Yeah there's been talk of a Five dollar coin, I'll believe it when I see it, governments you know?

[fred]

I just got the weirdest spam

OK, it wasn't so weird in concept. It was for a penis enlargement thing

the weird part was that the subject said: Get some extra size rabbi

Are there people specifically targeting the rabbi community for penis enlargement? How did I get listed as a rabbi? Here I thought I'd make some extra money circumsizing people on the weekend and now I'm on the rabbi list.

[k33k3r]

Just becareful not to slip Rabbi Fred.

[alexg]

Great Avatar K33k3r

[k33k3r]

Thanks I figured I should go back to it since the Guins are out of the playoffs.

[fred]

Just becareful not to slip Rabbi Fred.

congratulations it's a girl

[alexg]

congratulations it's a girl

HAWWW that's brutal!

[darron]

Am I too late to help in the hunt for Mike?

I wanna be Martian Manhunter!

[fred]

you're too late. He's back. It's a Christmas Miracle

[mikegraham6]

it's nice to know that the Canada bashing didn't stop while I was gone ;)
from the sounds of things, you guys were gonna mount quite the rescue, but just admit it, it was just an excuse to go to canada and eat poutine, tim hortons and beavertails :D

Seriously though, i just started a new job that blocks revision3 (BALLS!!!) and between that, a new Wii, a stack of trades the size of my nephew, the nice weather, and all the playoff games, i've had a hard time getting on here. But i was starting to have a wierd twitch today so i just had to come on, and i wanted to see what everyone thought of lost as well.

so who are we gonna go rescue now??? im down!:D

[acomicbookgirl]

it's nice to know that the Canada bashing didn't stop while I was gone ;)
from the sounds of things, you guys were gonna mount quite the rescue, but just admit it, it was just an excuse to go to canada and eat poutine, tim hortons and beavertails :D

Seriously though, i just started a new job that blocks revision3 (BALLS!!!) and between that, a new Wii, a stack of trades the size of my nephew, the nice weather, and all the playoff games, i've had a hard time getting on here. But i was starting to have a wierd twitch today so i just had to come on, and i wanted to see what everyone thought of lost as well.

so who are we gonna go rescue now??? im down!:D

I was wondering about you... I'm glad your back.. Welcome back Mike. :)

[kwok_talk]

Seriously though, i just started a new job that blocks revision3 (BALLS!!!) and between that, a new Wii, a stack of trades the size of my nephew, the nice weather, and all the playoff games, i've had a hard time getting on here. But i was starting to have a wierd twitch today so i just had to come on, and i wanted to see what everyone thought of lost as well.

so who are we gonna go rescue now??? im down!:D

Sucks that Rev3 is blocked at work. I'm figuring it's bound to ultimately get blocked at my place too.

Labor's been gone for a while. He probably got kidnapped by a terrorist band of indie hipsters.

[fred]

let's rescue Labor

I'm in as long as I don't have to eat that shit chicago style pizza

[kwok_talk]

let's rescue Labor

I'm in as long as I don't have to eat that shit chicago style pizza

Dibs on your portions.

[fred]

Dibs on your portions.

you can have it but I don't want to hear you complain when they make you buy two plane tickets on the way back

[mastap]

Dibs on your portions.

I'll fight you for them;)

[kwok_talk]

I'll fight you for them;)

Sweet. We'll nicely take up two rows on the flight back home.

[fred]

Man Decapitates Mother With Circular Saw, Kills Self (http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-circularsawsuicide,0,6284718.story?coll=ktla-news-2)

[alexg]

That's a bummer...was gonna make a tasteless joke, but opted out of it.

[fred]

just goes to show you that in tense situations you should always try to keep your head


awwwwww

[alexg]

I guess that guy was depressed since no matter what he did in life he could never get ahead.


ok, now i hate myself.

[fred]

that's what happens when you try to get head from your mom

[big-doze]

that's what happens when you try to get head from your mom

You're officially my favorite person on earth.

[alexg]

that's what happens when you try to get head from your mom

Haww...you hit the nail on the head with that one!

[fred]

that's the way to get ahead in life

[alexg]

I don't understand how you can come up with these off the top of your head.

[fred]

It's because I've got a buzz

(saw - get it?)

[fred]

back in high school his mom was the head cheerleader

[fred]

in other weird shit that made me chuckle today news

Oral sex linked to throat cancer (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6639461.stm?ls)

well that sucks!

[alexg]

in other weird shit that made me chuckle today news

Oral sex linked to throat cancer (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6639461.stm?ls)

well that sucks!

Seriously man, that story blows.

[fred]

Die with a smile

[alexg]

Throat cancer from Oral Sex though? I find that hard to swallow.

[fred]

it's quite a mouthful

[k33k3r]

it's quite a mouthful

You honestly don't sleep do you?
I hope the week has been getting better for you.

Mike I know how you feel. I've been working on my stck of trades as well but for everyone I put on my shelf another one or two join the pile.

Damn this store credit and damn it for everyone on this board pointing me in the directions of really good series that I previously missed out on.

[fred]

now that's what I call bad touch


(and no I really don't sleep)

[k33k3r]

I just find it funny that you can pretty mcuh determine what time people start working or what time zone they are in by when they start posting for the day. Except you... You post at anytime within a 24 hour period.

[acomicbookgirl]

I just find it funny that you can pretty mcuh determine what time people start working or what time zone they are in by when they start posting for the day. Except you... You post at anytime within a 24 hour period.


Um.. Yeah.. Fred? Have you slept or is there no such thing as sleep to you?

Morning all..

[fred]

I'll sleep when I'm dead

[k33k3r]

Won't we all.

[fred]

Throat cancer from Oral Sex though? I find that hard to swallow.

well aren't you a cunning linguist!

[k33k3r]

I was trying to think of something using the phrase "going down" but couldn't. Sorry too early for my brain to think like that and of could our batch processing jsut blew up.

ARGH!!! Happy Friday to me............

[drwally]

I have an amazingly intellectual friend that delights in bawdy humor and low down sex gags. He really is funny. But I rarely join in, because when I do, I don't muck around with kiddie humor. I can shock even him.

I am sure Conor thanks me for not joining in here, eh?

[fred]

I was trying to think of something using the phrase "going down" but couldn't. Sorry too early for my brain to think like that and of could our batch processing jsut blew up.

ARGH!!! Happy Friday to me............

well I guess cancer rates won't be going down anytime soon

[k33k3r]

thank you.

[fred]

always been a helper

[darron]

The Rock (http://www.joblo.com/the-rock-talks-shazam) of Ages...?

[alexg]

Some how I have a hard time picturing the Rock as Capt. Marvel. He doesn't seem to have the kind of dumb innocence I always associate with the character.

[kwok_talk]

Can you smell what Captain Marvel's cookin?!?

(Jon Cena as Black Adam. Stacy Kiebler (sp?) as Mary Marvel)

[darron]

Stacy Keibler as ANYTHING.

[mister-s]

Stacy Keibler as ANYTHING.

I'm with you there, bro.

[alexg]

Stacy Keibler as ANYTHING.

I bet she lives in a tree and makes cookies.

[fred]

el fudge most likely

[paper]

How I Almost Died by Paper

This morning as I walked to my 9:00 AM Photography class, I was run over by a car. An SUV in fact.

In order to get to class I walk down a very wide sidewalk along a fairly quiet boulevard. The sidewalk itself is adjacent to a rather huge parking lot. There are two entrances with ticket gates along my walk, and cars often pull in to park. This is true of this morning, when I was in a hurry to reach my class. A woman working for the parking authority (located across the street) drove up in a large champaigne-colored SUV, blocking my path. She paused at the gate, waiting for the bar to be raised. Assured that my presence was known to this woman (I'd been walking in clear view as she pulled up) I proceeded to walk around the back of the SUV. This is when she lurched backward.

I usually wear my messenger bag or art student man-purse on my left side, but my right shoulder has been out of whack lately, so I'd switched it to the left shoulder, thus placing my bag on my right hip. This took the brunt of the impact. It was a light tap for an SUV, but it was enough to send me stumbling out toward the street. I lost my footing and dropped to my knees. The SUV continued in reverse, maybe a yard or so. When it reached me, I dropped to my side and then quickly rolled onto my stomach as the SUV rolled over top of me. I crawled out in enough time that the incline didn't pin me under the vehicle's bumper.

I got up and was unscathed. The woman had gotten out of her vehicle. She claimed she didn't know what had happened. That she was frazzled and had reversed by accident. Was I alright? I was. I really wasn't sure what to do. I was just astonished that it had happened and was maybe in denial of the whole incident. I was also still in a hurry for class, so I told her to just be careful and that I really promised I was just fine, honest. I continued on my way.

And I am okay, but I really felt I should talk about it for some reason. I didn't want to worry anyone at home, because I'm fine. It wasn't a strong impact, and it was just scary more than anything else.

[alexg]

Whoah dude!

Glad you are ok. That sounds pretty freaked out, especially the part where you had to duck under the car.

Hope you are feeling ok...no head injuries? Bruising?

[darron]

****ing S.U.V.'s. I'm glad to hear you're ok....but too bad you couldn't make some money off the dumb beezy.

And stop walking behind cars!

[conorkilpatrick]

I lost my footing and dropped to my knees. The SUV continued in reverse, maybe a yard or so. When it reached me, I dropped to my side and then quickly rolled onto my stomach as the SUV rolled over top of me. I crawled out in enough time that the incline didn't pin me under the vehicle's bumper.

I got up and was unscathed.

Badass.

Glad you're okay, dude.

Funnily enough, I almost got hit by a car coming out of a parking lot this morning. It was the closest that has ever come to happening. Nearly took out my legs. Jersey plates.

[paper]

Badass.

Glad you're okay, dude.

Funnily enough, I almost got hit by a car coming out of a parking lot this morning. It was the closest that has ever come to happening. Nearly took out my legs. Jersey plates.

Ha! I probably did make that sound a little more Jack Bauer than it really was.

Glad you're okay too, Conor. Where would we get our DC commentary and Bat book recommendations if that guy had taken you out?

Cap was watching out for both of us today.

[fred]

Under Siege 16 starring Paper

nice moves

[acomicbookgirl]

I just finished reading that.. I'm so glad you and Conor are ok.. I don't think I can deal with another death around me..

[alexg]

Badass.

Glad you're okay, dude.

Funnily enough, I almost got hit by a car coming out of a parking lot this morning. It was the closest that has ever come to happening. Nearly took out my legs. Jersey plates.

Damn! Hope you are ok as well.

Jersey drivers are no joke...

[comhcinc]

This morning as I walked to my 9:00 AM Photography class, I was run over by a car. An SUV in fact.

welcome to the club. just pm me with you contact infomation so i can the paper work started on your membership

[cam-]

and all the playoff games,

SEE!! what'd I tell you?

Though his brief disappearance and Paper's recent near SUV-ing, got me thinking . I gotta tell my wife to get online and let y'all know if anything happens to me, I mean, I'm no Elite member, but I dressed as Mr. Fantastic for Halloween! You'd miss the avatar right??

[comhcinc]

umm yeah sure.........guy.........

[cam-]

C'mon! It's super mario in the background!! No? Is this thing on?

[comhcinc]

no not ringing a bell..............

[alexg]

I like pie.

[comhcinc]

and that's why i love you so

[mastap]

How I Almost Died by Paper

This morning as I walked to my 9:00 AM Photography class, I was run over by a car. An SUV in fact.

Man thats harsh, glad you're ok. Awsome write up too, very action movie.

I got hit by a car last year, I was on my bike and I got thrown 10 feet, luckily I landed on my bag, and got away with only a hurt elbow.

It seems school bags save alot more lives than i thought.

[paper]

I wonder if there's a conspiracy against the ifanboy community.

[iSteve]

I wonder if there's a conspiracy against the ifanboy community.

A very definite possibility!

[fred]

I'm behind it all.
sorry

[acomicbookgirl]

I'm behind it all.
sorry

It was you?! :eek: I.. I don't know what to say...

[six-gun]

Stacy Keibler as ANYTHING.

She looks like Hayden Panettiere from Heroes to me

[mastap]

I'm behind it all.
sorry

Somehow that doesn't surprise me at all ;)

[fred]

I appear shifty?

[mikegraham6]

oh my god.... it's actually here:
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Ultimate/13/Ult28pager.html

[kwok_talk]

I know, I can't believe it's been that long. For me, its even weirder b/c I stopped reading comics right before this arc. Years later, I've come back to read comics and this still hasn't finished.

[paper]

Why is it so...ugly?

[fred]

Why is it so...ugly?

it was a rush job

[kwok_talk]

Hulk did the tracing. Thor colored.

[paper]

Kwok wins. Not sure what yet. Maybe I'll just drop his lowest quiz grade.

I haven't read Ultimates yet. Is this in line with the usual art?

[acomicbookgirl]

You know, I've never read Ultimates... Friends used to rave about it but I couldn't bring myself to buy it.. Is that a must read?

[mastap]

You know, I've never read Ultimates... Friends used to rave about it but I couldn't bring myself to buy it.. Is that a must read?

It's basically a popcorn action movie with ham fisted politics, it's fun but not as essential as everyone says.

[fred]

I've read all the issues that have come out so far and I honestly can't even recall what the story is about anymore. It's been that long. I won't be buying #13.

[alexg]

Yeah, I'd have to agree with Masta P. I've only read Ultimates in trade, it's fun, but hardly essential. I loved the first volume, dug the second...and have the first volume of Ultimates 2 but have yet to crack the spine...

[kwok_talk]

Kwok wins. Not sure what yet. Maybe I'll just drop his lowest quiz grade.

I haven't read Ultimates yet. Is this in line with the usual art?

Thank goodness. My last test score was horrible.

(http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1730017)

As for Ultimates, I think the series has really exceeded my expectations (except for release schedule, obviously). If the book came out frequently, I would easily choose it to be the best Ultimate title out there.

[iSteve]

There's an interesting discussion on Iron Fist on Newsarama - THE SHOOT OUT: IMMORTAL IRON FIST (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=112555).

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/ironfist/IRONFIST_006.jpg

[comhcinc]

man they really hate on ironfist.

[jimski]

It's weird: World War Hulk has started, and Ultimates 2 finishes this week, and yet it seems like nothing exciting is really going on.

[k33k3r]

Mighty Avengers comes out so we get to hear Fred talk about ultron somemore.

[kwok_talk]

Mighty Avengers comes out so we get to hear Fred talk about ultron somemore.

I should start preparing notes for the inevitable Cho debate rehash.

[fred]

ooooh Mighty Avengers
nice

[drwally]

I should start preparing notes for the inevitable Cho debate rehash.

I'm not sure Cho merits any more attention than any other artist for whatever reason. I'm actually a bit more interested in how a writer and artist "interact." I was not a big gushing fan of all of Tim Sale's art on Batman: Long Halloween and Dark Victory, but I was quite impressed by how well Loeb and Sale mesh together, with a nice dynamic between them that flows well, story and art. I think you can say a story "flows" from panel to panel, and so too art, but you can also spot when an artist and writer are a bit out of sync.

Cho? Yeah, big busty women, but are they really all that more busty when drawn by other artists? How does "Cho flow" with Bendis? -- to me that's a better question. I'm also not a big fan of over doing it on the splash pages. Just take a look at New Avengers: The Collective (#16-20) and most of the CW main book. Way too many splash pages, a little more story would have been appreciated.

[k33k3r]

ooooh Mighty Avengers
nice

I figured you'd be happy.
So is this week going better than the last thus far?

[fred]

I figured you'd be happy.
So is this week going better than the last thus far?

happy birthday to me

[comhcinc]

I'm not sure Cho merits any more attention than any other artist for whatever reason.

all i know is i dig Cho's art alot more than i do Yu's.

[kwok_talk]

How does "Cho flow" with Bendis? -- to me that's a better question. I'm also not a big fan of over doing it on the splash pages. Just take a look at New Avengers: The Collective (#16-20) and most of the CW main book. Way too many splash pages, a little more story would have been appreciated.

Interesting proposal. (I was being sarcastic about Cho. :D )

Thinking quickly about it, it's pretty interesting of how wide of a variety of artists Bendis is working with or has worked with (Maleev, Oeming, Yu, Cho, Bagley) and I think they all "flow" really well in terms of being a great fit for the feel of the book.

[kwok_talk]

happy birthday to me

Happy bday! Kids doing anything for you?

[fred]

bendis writes with the artist in mind

that's why it feels like that

[fred]

Happy bday! Kids doing anything for you?

thanks but we're not there yet. It's Saturday. MA is coming out in my brithday week.

[iSteve]

happy birthday to me

Is it really your birthday this week, Fred?

[fred]

indeed it is
I'm going to either be 28 or 21 for the 8th time

[jgg0610]

all i know is i dig Cho's art alot more than i do Yu's.
Amen to that.

[darron]

Oh what day, Fred?

[jgg0610]

indeed it is
I'm going to either be 28 or 21 for the 8th time
Happy 2X birthday!!

[fred]

Oh what day, Fred?

saturday is the 28th anniversary of the day the angels sang

[drwally]

Interesting proposal. (I was being sarcastic about Cho. :D )

Thinking quickly about it, it's pretty interesting of how wide of a variety of artists Bendis is working with or has worked with (Maleev, Oeming, Yu, Cho, Bagley) and I think they all "flow" really well in terms of being a great fit for the feel of the book.

Yeah, Bendis does work with quite a few artists, though he does do a lot of books! But, I think Fred is right that Bendis must be really working closely with the artist. If you compare Bendis and Cho with Bendis and Maleev, or Bendis and Bagley, it's all quite different. Very nice. I think the Bendis/Maleev combo is the most distinctive, and always nice to look at.

I did notice that you left off David Finch -- Bendis did lots of work with him. He's OK, but my main problem with him was that just about every single man's face looked like just about every other man's face. Steve Rogers was blond, Stark brunette with mustache, but otherwise it was the indentical face for every single guy, including the Japanese people when the new Avengers went to Japan.

Some of you guys may be looking at the boobies, but... Finch's male face thing (a world of clones) was just a bit annoying to me...

[darron]

saturday is the 28th anniversary of the day the angels sang

Why, 'cause they finally kicked you out?

[drwally]

saturday is the 28th anniversary of the day the angels sang

Well Happy Happy Birthday! Have you told your wife what you want for your birthday?

[fred]

Why, 'cause they finally kicked you out?

Are you suggesting that Heaven evicted its own finest creation?

[fred]

Well Happy Happy Birthday! Have you told your wife what you want for your birthday?

Nope. I don't think 'to be single again' would go over very well.
I'm kidding of course. She's renewing my Sirius subscription for me.

[kwok_talk]

Yeah, Bendis does work with quite a few artists, though he does do a lot of books! But, I think Fred is right that Bendis must be really working closely with the artist. If you compare Bendis and Cho with Bendis and Maleev, or Bendis and Bagley, it's all quite different. Very nice. I think the Bendis/Maleev combo is the most distinctive, and always nice to look at.

I did notice that you left off David Finch -- Bendis did lots of work with him. He's OK, but my main problem with him was that just about every single man's face looked like just about every other man's face. Steve Rogers was blond, Stark brunette with mustache, but otherwise it was the indentical face for every single guy, including the Japanese people when the new Avengers went to Japan.


Ah…yes. My omission of Finch was definitely not intentional. I can understand why people might not like it, but to me, he epitomized the feel of the New Avengers pre-CW. Yes, everything’s has super muscles, but I really liked it. I guess I never really noticed the clone-thing. I’m just sad he’s off doing Moon Knight now.

[drwally]

Ah…yes. My omission of Finch was definitely not intentional. I can understand why people might not like it, but to me, he epitomized the feel of the New Avengers pre-CW. Yes, everything’s has super muscles, but I really liked it. I guess I never really noticed the clone-thing. I’m just sad he’s off doing Moon Knight now.

I think Finch was just fine. I quite enjoyed a lot of stuff he did with Bendis others were not so crazy about, and New Avengers: Breakout (first 6 issues) was all quite good. It is hard to go wrong with Bendis. I think Finch is very capable. I personally just kept noticing that all the men's faces looked like all the other men's faces -- which is just a personal nitpick. If you have a chance, flip through books by Finch, take a look at the faces, and you'll see what I mean. Lots of big chins, all the same chin.

[iSteve]

Happy Birthday, Fred.

http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/acatalog/birthday_cake_candles_T.jpg

[fred]

rainbow cake - awesome thanks

[kwok_talk]

Hello Mac users. I was thinking of getting a wireless mouse after trying out my brother's Mighty Mouse. But after seeing the high price tag associated with it, I was wondering if any of you all know of better options. (I have a Powerbook)