Anyone else think Heroes is overrated?

[hoaznod]

It started out as a pretty decent show, but as time goes by the plot holes and the stupidity just keep adding up. I'm already dreading how bad the next season will be. But everywhere I go I see people praising this show as the second coming, and I just don't understand why. I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks this show is ridiculously overrated?

And if you really like this show, I'd like to know what you see in it.

[slowmy]

i think its A LOT better than most tv shows.

[xzon]

BEST!

i love it :)

hiihi

[magunwarrior]

Bow to the power of Nakamura, or be smote!

[hoaznod]

i think its A LOT better than most tv shows.

You are right though...it is better than most of the other hyped shows.
but there are way better shows out there

Bow to the power of Nakamura, or be smote!

and while everyone, including myself, love hiro...i can't really bow to the power of a guy who fails constantly at using it :x

[stopikingonme]

What specifically don't you like about it?

I'll tel you what specifically I like about it:

1. It seems to me that it is a comic book set in reality. I really like the idea and the fantasy of comic book superheroes, but a lot of times it comes out a little silly to me. Heroes, is simple to me. It's like what would happen in reality if suddenly regular everyday people learned they had supernatural powers. It humanizes the story to me so much more.

2. I love sci-fi that gives a strong nod to true science, and doesn't step accross that "plane of reality". Yes, I know Heroes is not particularly plausible, but I like how they give it a good shot at scientific plausiblilty.

3. Good character development! I LOVE Battlestar Galactica. The only problem I have with it is they don't do well in the character development area. In Heroes, the character development shines.

4. Heroes answers questions as it asks more. Lost fizzled because it asked questions, but never answered them. Heroes always answers at least one question every episode or two.

[hoaznod]

Thanks for replying!

1. I do agree that the best thing the show does is to make the fancy world of superpowers and heroes easily accessible for regular people. But as for the usage of the superpowers, the show fails horribly. Even though it might be silly, superpowers should be, well super. The action in the show is so overly generic that i sometimes wonder if anyone writing the show has read a comic book before.

Case in point, the Sylar vs. Peter battle. Where's the super hearing? Why not use the freezing powers that Sylar just showed in the last episode. Why spend 20 seconds charging up your glass haduken. Why would Peter go invisible, then wait around for 10 seconds, and then turn his back on a guy obviously readying a glass haduken. Why not fly away? Peter knows he can't die, why not rush in? Why doesn't Peter use his own psychic powers. I can go on for a long time, and that's just one battle.

2. Well it is a show based on super powers, so I don't expect it to be plausible. But if it's set in world with super powers, at least do the super powers correctly.

3. I love Hiro. It's not just because I love japanese stuff, and it's not because he's asian. He's interesting, he has emotions, and he's not a carbon copy character. But sadly, It's too bad that every other character is generic, very generic. You can pretty much guess what is going to come out of almost everyone's mouthes. Actually there is one other character that had charisma, charm, and an actual character. He was the man who would turn invisible. And he probably only had like 10 minutes of air time.

4. Totally agree with you. They do answer questions while providing new ones. Placing it forever on top of Lost.


Now i don't mean to bash everything people say, I'm probably just being picky. I mean I could categorize Heroes as a superpowered action drama. Except the super powered part is done rather badly and the action is done rather badly. The drama in itself is pretty decent, aside from some of the generic parts, so I don't find it a horrible show. I'm just wondering what other people see in the show if i missed anything.

[psbp516]

I have watched and loved heroes ever since day one. Every single week I'm excited for the new episode and it's all I think about on mondays. But I have to agree with hoaznod, it's the most over-rated show I've seen. Sure some of the characters are interesting, and they have superb episodes like "Company man" and "5 years later" but overall the show isn't that great.
First of all, while some characters have tons of depth, some of the characters are stupid as shit, like Niki and Mohinder (he was unconscious you retard, you could have stabbed him to death!!!). I'm not sure if they're not written well or were just filler characters to begin with (or a combination of both), but they really don't enhance the story what-so-ever, Niki needs to just die. Another annoying tick are the numerous plot-holes, they sometimes forget entire concepts of the story that could prove to be interesting and just move onto the least interesting option or fluctuate between the two (ex: Hiro's story: is he going to actually do something courageous or is going to continue to be a little ***** forever?, sure he'll probably turn into a badass by the end of the season but don't focus on him so much if his inconsistency is going to be so god damn annoying). Furthermore, there are no thrilling action sequences and although we are never left with big cliffhangers (as promised) none of the questions are really satisfyingly fulfilled either (honestly I just some badass fight scenes).
I don't think the show really has enough direction to make it as a enjoyable as I want it to be. It seems like the characters are just jumping from point to point with completely unsatisfying meetings, and now they are stumbling towards a nuke. Maybe next season will be more unified and the first season will be thought of as the journey of the uncertain and distant characters who are eventually joined together like the justice league to be all badass and shit. But until then, I'll be questioning my attachment to the show.

[psbp516]

Thanks for replying!

1. I do agree that the best thing the show does is to make the fancy world of superpowers and heroes easily accessible for regular people. But as for the usage of the superpowers, the show fails horribly. Even though it might be silly, superpowers should be, well super. The action in the show is so overly generic that i sometimes wonder if anyone writing the show has read a comic book before.


Completely agree, again....

The most badass implementation of power on the show so far was when peter rolled around the soldier and then threw him into the wall with a psionic throw. Yep that was it. I know that most people aren't very good at fighting and most people CANT throw shit with their minds, but if nothing else make it a confused: use every single power you have barrage (that would be awesome). Plus, hasn't peter trained with his powers? Certainly he can do something cooler than turning invisible and then running away. Especially with all the powers he contains....

[hoaznod]

It's actually pretty heartwarming to find someone who agrees with you. I too started as a huge fan of the series, but as time goes by the drama itself just doesn't do it enough. You need character development, action, and dialogue. 3 things missing in great detail.

Most people don't realize that comics aren't just about men in tights and what they can do. There are comics out there with better dialogue than in any television show I've seen, and there are comics out there with better drama and plot twists too.

I do feel that the basis of the show is solid, it has potential to be a lot better than it currently is. But in the hands of the current writers, producers, and whatnot the show is going nowhere. There is only one man I can think of that knows comics, knows dialogue, and would make Heroes the raddest show on the planet and that would be my hero Joss Whedon.

But seriously, the action is pretty hilarious. Does anyone remember the sequence where Mr. Bennett, Mr. Parkman (the guy who can hear thoughts), and Ted (explosive mcsplosiveson). They are captured by this all knowing super group, yet they are put into cells with no cameras, guards, or any form of surveillance. Then they put the guy who can read thoughts close to the guy who knows everything about the group that captured them. Then Mr. Parkman escapes even after making an obscene amount of noise, and there is still no guards. Then later Ted just instantly busts out an EMP wave just because someone else told him what to feel? Seriously? I was stunned by this entire sequence when I watched it, but then i was even more shocked to find that nobody seemed to really notice or care how bad it was.

[sugarsickness]

But seriously, the action is pretty hilarious. Does anyone remember the sequence where Mr. Bennett, Mr. Parkman (the guy who can hear thoughts), and Ted (explosive mcsplosiveson). They are captured by this all knowing super group, yet they are put into cells with no cameras, guards, or any form of surveillance. Then they put the guy who can read thoughts close to the guy who knows everything about the group that captured them. Then Mr. Parkman escapes even after making an obscene amount of noise, and there is still no guards. Then later Ted just instantly busts out an EMP wave just because someone else told him what to feel? Seriously? I was stunned by this entire sequence when I watched it, but then i was even more shocked to find that nobody seemed to really notice or care how bad it was.

I've seen sillier events in comic books and TV shows. For some reason that aprt didn't bother me hahaha.

There are a lot of things "wrong" with the show, but there are a lot of "good" things as well. The sword thing with Hiro annoys me. I don't remember any real explanation on why he lost his powers after that girl died in the diner and I don't remember them explaining why that sword gave him them back. Maybe I just missed it, but that whole thing just seemed stupid.

Time travel is just a general no-no I think. Very few shows/movies/stories do it well and without moments where you just sit there and go "Why can't he go back a few minutes and stop that?"

Too many "invincible" characters. So we have Sylar who can eat brainz and learn any power he finds and we have Peter who can learn powers just by getting close to someone, each ability makes them incredibly powerful. Then we have Claire who regenerates fast and Hiro who can teleport and time travel... Most of the 'bigger' characters are too powerful to really care about. There is no danger to them.

All the powers are pretty generic and cliche powers. I am really hoping in season 2 we get SOMETHING we haven't seen before.

Then again, the story is told brilliantly and it unfolds in a very creative, innovative, and clever way and I will be there monday night watching intently :)

[comhcinc]

i like the show.


i love how everyone goes on about how it is like a comic book that's either A: for people who don't read comic books or B: a comic set in reality.
in fact it is just like a comic book period. all the people who are digging this show should be reading comics.in fact the story seems to borrow alot from the Days of Future Past (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past) story line

[friedostrich]

Heroes is a fine show, but it's no where near the top of my Best TV Shows. And, when it comes down to it, I still watch 24 in that timeslot and find myself waiting for a dull moment in my week to break out the DVRed Heroes.

Heroes does what it wants to do well. But I think that the problem I have with the show is that it doesn't do anything better than any other TV Show. It tries to have that serialized mystery, but it's no Lost. It tries to have that emotional tie from the characters to the viewers, but its no Battlestar.

It doesn't even do its namesake justice... I don't know if anyone here watches a show called 'The 4400', so I'll give a little briefing. Its about a group of 4400 people who have been abducted throughout time, and who all come back to the present having not aged a day, they come back with special abilities, not unlike Heroes. And the comparisons don't end there... both shows have to save the future from destruction (Though 4400 deals with much more than just NYC). Both shows have an agency or company trying to control the heroes (Their means of control are different though... instead of shocky thing, 4400 uses injections) Both shows have an evil person who has chosen to use their powers for evil (Isabelle makes Sylar look like a fly). And the honest truth is, 4400 is better in literally every single way (minus Hiro, who is actually kinda getting on my nerves anyways).

Anyone who likes Heroes, I IMPLORE you to check out The 4400. You will not regret it.

[comhcinc]

from what i have read when they was putting heroes together they wanted it to be the anti-lost. revealing a detail of the plot every show.

[hoaznod]

i like the show.


i love how everyone goes on about how it is like a comic book that's either A: for people who don't read comic books or B: a comic set in reality.
in fact it is just like a comic book period. all the people who are digging this show should be reading comics.in fact the story seems to borrow alot from the Days of Future Past (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past) story line

I'm sorry to say that I had a hearty laugh when I read your post. It seems like you know a lot about comics if you can recognize similarities from the old days of x-man, and while I'm not really into the older comics I'm shocked to read that people who like Heroes would like comics.

Comics are about two things. Action and Dialogue. The best comics out now have the best of both. Excluding all the incredible comics not about super heroes, the only series that constantly amaze most comic readers are Astonishing X-men, Runaways, and every once in awhile an issues of the big names will be great. If you haven't read an issue of either Astonishing or Runaways, then maybe you should obtain a copy (cough pirate cough) and see what a real team super hero comic is like.

Heroes barely has any action, and it has amazingly generic dialogue. There is no wit involved when people are talking, and there is no time during any of the action sequences where it remotely comes close to the carnage in any super hero book, good or bad. Heroes takes everything great about a comic book, and puts it in a nice generic package built for American television package.

I'm not saying the television package is horrible, but Heroes is barely similar to a comic book. Just because it shares similarities to a great comic book arc doesn't mean that they are even in similar leagues. X-men the Last Stand borrowed a lot of elements from Astonishing X-men, it was a a horrid, horrid movie.

And don't get me started on Spiderman 3.

[friedostrich]

from what i have read when they was putting heroes together they wanted it to be the anti-lost. revealing a detail of the plot every show.

Heroes is a serialized show with solved and unsolved storylines, characters with shrouded pasts and uncertain futures, and plots under mysterious circumstance. Heroes is the anti-Lost in the same world as crimson is anti-red; No matter how many times they say it, it is what it is.

Not to mention the fact that Lost has been "revealing a detail of plot every show" now for quite a while. Despite the negative press, and the rough start to this season, Lost is as good as ever.

[comhcinc]

I'm sorry to say that I had a hearty laugh when I read your post. It seems like you know a lot about comics if you can recognize similarities from the old days of x-man, and while I'm not really into the older comics I'm shocked to read that people who like Heroes would like comics.

funny i spent about hour in a comic shop today talking about the show. none of the 20 or so people didn't like it.


your big beef seems to be that this show doesn't have alot of action and good comics do. i disagree.

you also seem to be comparing the show to "team" books when it is alot closer to 52.

[comhcinc]

Heroes is a serialized show with solved and unsolved storylines, characters with shrouded pasts and uncertain futures, and plots under mysterious circumstance. Heroes is the anti-Lost in the same world as crimson is anti-red; No matter how many times they say it, it is what it is.

Not to mention the fact that Lost has been "revealing a detail of plot every show" now for quite a while. Despite the negative press, and the rough start to this season, Lost is as good as ever.

but was it doing that at the time that this show came out? no. maybe heroes forced their hand on that. maybe not.

[hoaznod]

funny i spent about hour in a comic shop today talking about the show. none of the 20 or so people didn't like it.


your big beef seems to be that this show doesn't have alot of action and good comics do. i disagree.

you also seem to be comparing the show to "team" books when it is alot closer to 52.

I do understand that the majority of the people enjoy this show, comic book nerds and all. I just don't understand why. But then again, I don't understand why American Idol is the top show every week, or why people watch Dancing with the Stars, or why Survivor is still on. Let's just say I don't understand the fascination with reality tv in general.

If you like the action, then that's great. Just give me an example so I can see what you're talking about, in case I missed something. I've listed several parts where the action was inexcusably horrid, but I've yet read anything about people refuting the crap that were those scenes. I'm also not saying all good comics have incredible mind blowing action, but they need something. Invincible doesn't have anything fancy, but it does have great dialogue and a fun atmosphere. But when it comes down to the time for action, it's still good.

I do see how you can say it resembles 52, but only in the way the story is told. Piece by piece, one at a time. I could say that about 24, or Lost. But none of those shows have anything to do with comics. The characters are very different than the ones in 52. The characters themselves relate a lot more towards the team based comic groups. I thought the entire point of Heroes was for them to ban together to save the world, emphasis on the banning together part.

[comhcinc]

you don't like the show. fine no one is going to change your opinion. i don't feel like trying to get blood from a turnip.

[liquidsdagron]

can i be honest without everyone freaking out in this thread???? i have never seen an episode of Heros. never ever....i usually flip right past it when its on. i missed the first part of the first season and then gave up on even trying to catch it for i knew i would be lost about the story line.

[xcontr0l]

can i be honest without everyone freaking out in this thread???? i have never seen an episode of Heros. never ever....i usually flip right past it when its on. i missed the first part of the first season and then gave up on even trying to catch it for i knew i would be lost about the story line.

Heroes isn't really that hard to catch up on. You just have to figure out everyone's Powers and otherwise they pretty much fill out the story line of WHAt they are going to do in the episode and they get it done and leave you with what they are going to do the next episode. Unlike LOST this show is fairly easy to get into.

[comhcinc]

can i be honest without everyone freaking out in this thread???? i have never seen an episode of Heros. never ever....i usually flip right past it when its on. i missed the first part of the first season and then gave up on even trying to catch it for i knew i would be lost about the story line.

heros? what channel is that on? we are talking about heroes.
j/k

i started watching midseason and had no problem figuring out what was going on

you can watch all the episodes on the nbc web site

[alexg]

I like my heroes with lettuce, tomat-dammit wrong thread.

[jivetrky]

I'd just like to throw out my support for Heroes. I give it a +1 billion in radness points. It's my fav. (thus the avatar)

[stopikingonme]

Thanks for replying!

Actually there is one other character that had charisma, charm, and an actual character. He was the man who would turn invisible. And he probably only had like 10 minutes of air time.


I wish the invisible guy would come back. His name is Christopher Eccleston and it took me the whole first episode to realize why I recognized him. He played Dr. Who in 2005. http://www.thestage.co.uk/images/pics/7132.jpg

[stopikingonme]

I do feel that the basis of the show is solid, it has potential to be a lot better than it currently is. But in the hands of the current writers, producers, and whatnot the show is going nowhere. There is only one man I can think of that knows comics, knows dialogue, and would make Heroes the raddest show on the planet and that would be my hero Joss Whedon.


Yes, Joss is my new master

[imagineer99]

I gave up after the pilot: generic characters (hot single mom!) and some of the worst dialogue ever in prime time television.

Maybe its improved since then. I don't really care all that much. Lost, in my opinion, is still a far superior show.

[hoaznod]

I gave up after the pilot: generic characters (hot single mom!) and some of the worst dialogue ever in prime time television.

Maybe its improved since then. I don't really care all that much. Lost, in my opinion, is still a far superior show.

The hot mom, phase through stuff dad, and little kid are the most useless characters in the show. It's like someone decided they needed someone smoking hot because every good show has one, and someone else decided they needed some African American actors. So they forced them into the show for no reason.

I wholly agree with your summation of the show, although i wouldn't really consider Lost a far superior show. But I do think Lost has a lot of room to get better since the writers are finally realizing they can't just sit around and make up random stuff.

[professio]

The hot mom, phase through stuff dad, and little kid are the most useless characters in the show. It's like someone decided they needed someone smoking hot because every good show has one, and someone else decided they needed some African American actors. So they forced them into the show for no reason.

I wholly agree with your summation of the show, although i wouldn't really consider Lost a far superior show. But I do think Lost has a lot of room to get better since the writers are finally realizing they can't just sit around and make up random stuff.

The entire series I have been waiting to see how the Nevada family tie into the larger story line, and although it has been connected at times, they really don't play an important role which dissapoints me.

And I do like LOST more than Heroes but to me they are two different shows, i mean one is about people stuck on an island and one is about saving the world. It is like saying Friends is similar to Seinfeld because they are both about people living in a new york apartment and drink coffee in a cafe, they are similar but different and both great shows ;)

PS: Friends is my favorite show of all time. Better than LOST, Heroes, BSG, The shield, whatever. I don't care what anyone says! Haha. :cool:

[psbp516]

I'd just like to throw out my support for Heroes. I give it a +1 billion in radness points. It's my fav. (thus the avatar)

"I like my heroes with lettuce, tomat-dammit wrong thread."

These forums are getting retarded....

[comhcinc]

gettting ?