TV: The Sarah Conner Chronicles

[wideawakewesley]

A trailer and three clips from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" have come online. Starring Lena Headey as Sarah Connor, Thomas Dekker as John Connor, Richard T. Jones as James Ellison and Summer Glau as Cameron, the action-drama premieres on Fox in January and will air Sundays from 9-10 pm ET.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=20519

[magunwarrior]

Wait, Summer Glau? **** yes! Gonna check them out now.

[scoobydiesel]

not sure how good this will be but its on Fox? i never can seem to remember to watch shows on FOX even with tivo o_O its odd...but ill try and watch it.

[magunwarrior]

Wow that looks awesome, but can you say Firefly curse?

[stizz]

Looks better then I had thought it would.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

[kahunablair]

Doesn't look to bad. Didn't realize that River was going to be in it. I might actually check it out now.

What actor is playing the evil Term? He looks really familiar, but I couldn't find any mention of him on IMDB.

[comhcinc]

it seems to be completely disregarding the third movie. damn shame.

[johnnyswift]

The third movie is worth disregarding, in my opinion.

I'll watch the pilot to see if it's worth my time. The trailer makes it look promising - but who knows.

[wideawakewesley]

The main thing that bugs me about the trailer is that it looks like the time period is messed up. John doesn't look a whole lot older than he is in T2 (1995) and yet there are mobile phones being used that look very 2007.

Wes

[scoobydiesel]

I agree big time on that(the cell phones looking our time) or just time over all i think is going to bug me if i catch this. Also watch more then just one episode. some times the pilots suck or are kinda mixed, i mean i figured you know this but meh just saying anyways...(to johnny)

[tokenuser]

not sure how good this will be but its on Fox? i never can seem to remember to watch shows on FOX even with tivo o_O its odd...but ill try and watch it.No 24? No House? No Prison Break? Damn - you've missed some good TV in the past season.

[sugarsickness]

it seems to be completely disregarding the third movie. damn shame. Not true.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles is an American television series scheduled for debut on the U.S. television network Fox in early 2008.[1] It is a continuation of the Terminator film franchise. Produced by Warner Bros. Television and C2-Pictures, it will revolve around the life of Sarah Connor, and her son, John Connor between the events of Terminator 2: Judgment Day and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

[comhcinc]

dude first off please don't read me press releases. i got that it is suppose to happen between two and three, but that really doesn't make any sense. john connor meets his future wife in high school.they never talk about some teenage terminator. those clips seem to indicate that all hell is breaking loose all the time. that just doesn't fit.
this show is going to quickly suffer the same problems a lot of shows seem to nowadays. limited concept. the plot might work for a season or two, then it stops making sense.

[jivetrky]

Looks like it might be interesting. But I agree that it seems like the plot would be limited to only a few seasons.
Guess I'll have to watch and see what happens!

[sugarsickness]

dude first off please don't read me press releases. i got that it is suppose to happen between two and three, but that really doesn't make any sense. john connor meets his future wife in high school.they never talk about some teenage terminator. those clips seem to indicate that all hell is breaking loose all the time. that just doesn't fit.
this show is going to quickly suffer the same problems a lot of shows seem to nowadays. limited concept. the plot might work for a season or two, then it stops making sense.

Well, it is being developed by the same people who were producers on the Terminator movies which, along with the fact that most (if not all?) stories involving time travel are destined to being riddled with plot holes, doesn't mean that this potential plot hole will necessarily be a negative to it as a series.

[comhcinc]

doesn't mean that this potential plot hole will necessarily be a negative to it as a series.

yes, yes it does.

[sugarsickness]

yes, yes it does.

oh ok. gotcha.

[magunwarrior]

No 24? No House? No Prison Break? Damn - you've missed some good TV in the past season.

All for 24 and House, but Prison Break just didn't grab me.

[zoomtechtv]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k296/zoomtechtv/Battlestar_Galactica_vs.jpg

[burntfire]

The main thing that bugs me about the trailer is that it looks like the time period is messed up. John doesn't look a whole lot older than he is in T2 (1995) and yet there are mobile phones being used that look very 2007.

Wes


If you watch the trailer closely, you can see that they all go into the future by way of the naked time jumper. I'm pretty sure they jump from 1995 to 2007.

[comhcinc]

which is after part 3

[wideawakewesley]

It's time for Arnold Schwarzenegger to utter those immortal words one more time – "I'll be back!'

Fox is debuting their new action series, "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." "300's" Lena Headey plays the title character, which is an origin franchise for her role – before her Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines demise. The series picks up after "T2"; Sarah and John Connor find themselves as fugitives from the law, and are running from their enemies.

Now all the fans are hoping writer and executive producer Josh Friedman can deliver the goods from the film series. "When we first started this, people said, 'This takes place between T2 and T3.' As far as I'm concerned, this is T3; this is the continuation of what I would call the Sarah Connor trilogy. I think anything that happens after T2 is fair game for us., and I think the ending of T2 – the exploding killing Cyberdine, killing Miles Dyson – sort of changes the timeline for anything in the future."

The big draw from the pilot episode was the special effects; director David Nutter mentioned how they'll be keeping up the intensity. "I think there's been a lot of research and development from the people doing the special effects, Zoic. And a lot of times, once they've done a lot of this research and development, a lot of the stuff isn't really as expensive to do. So there will be just as many effects and large-scale things alongside many of the episodes."

Picking up the pace from Arnold and Kristanna Loken is Summer Glau (Serenity, "Firefly") as the new Terminator, Cameron. This time, she's a teen girl in the role helping to save the world. But Summer says she's ready to kick ass in the new series. "I spoke to Josh a lot about how he wanted my Terminator to be, and I think we're going to make my Terminator the most advanced model so far. It's her human traits; she's going to be the most human Terminator so far, so that's what I'm striving for. I was just so excited to play this kind of character because in a way she's much like River (Tam) in that she's isolated. And she's different in how she relates and how she communicates; but she's very strong and she can't genuinely feel emotion. I was excited that Josh gave me the opportunity to try this role and that's something that is going to be the most challenging part about her. I want people to be able to relate to her and in some way, see themselves in here just like I try with all my characters."

Now for Lena, transforming herself out of the shadow of Linda Hamilton is something she can't wait for – but going to the gym? We'll have to wait for that. "I'm in training right now and just doing regular workouts; this series is going to develop and, I think, along with that, so will her physicality because we find them at a different point."

Because everyone saw 300, I don't think I have to state – Lena, you're hot; keep staying hot, don't change anything!

What can fans expect for the time travel aspect? Friedman notes, "I believe the end of 'Terminator 2' is '97; the decision to leap forward is both an aesthetic one and story-wise will turn out to be an important one. There's reasons to come to this specific time, this specific place; it's a show that's about time travel, but it's not a time travel show. I think certainly we will see characters, both human and less so, returning from the future to the present. But there are no plans right now to jump anyone to the future.”

Just to point out the time period for the series, Summer mentioned her character was born in the year 2027, and she and John Connor are attending high school.

Producer James Middleton weighed in on the time travel issue as well. "I think it's really a core thing about our show. Our characters operate and a fight a battle every episode based on faith that they can prevent Judgment Day - now, they're going to do everything that they can to do that. But the odds against them are formidable, they have a formidable enemy; so how they operate every day is to fight the fight they best hey can in each episode."

Now everyone knows, Eddie Furlong did such a great job as John Connor in the movie series, Thomas Dekker ("Heroes") has some mighty big shoes to fill (ok, you can stop laughing now). "I grew up really hooked on these films, so it's very ironic I'm getting to do this," the actor says. "I know for the younger generation, and for myself, John was equally important to me as Sarah was. I know a lot of people I hear from really care about John, and I felt I knew that character. In the series, Jon's life is constantly evolving, and it evolved a lot from where it was in the films; he's having to hide, he's having to keep his head down. In the beginning of T2, he's able to keep his head up; he's carefree and I think he's had to close down a lot more. He's a little quieter and he's a little more pensive; he's having to wake up to the fact that this won't go away, and he has to really step up to the plate. So I'm trying to incorporate the main characteristics and emotional core of what was there in the films, while adjusting it to his current time and place that we're seeing in the series."

Okay, I know what you're all wondering – will Arnold make a cameo? Well, it sounds unlikely. "We've talked a lot about it," says Friedman. "But the reality is, as governor, he's incredibly busy. And as a star, he's incredibly expensive."

So maybe we won't get a cameo from the Governator, but heck, we all know how it's going to end, right? But you can look forward to the race of Terminators coming to your television screens midseason on "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" on Fox.


Summer Glau, who stars as a teenage-girl terminator in the upcoming Fox series The Sarah Connor Chronicles, told SCI FI Wire that her character is a departure from any of the models seen in the Terminator films.

"I didn't think I had a chance at being cast in this role," Glau said in an interview following a press conference at the Television Critics Association press tour in Beverly Hills, Calif., on July 23. "I've seen [Terminator 3 star] Kristanna Loken in person, and she's so statuesque and she has that icy beauty, and I thought, 'I don't even want to go on this audition. I'm just going to be embarrassed. I'm going to get in the room, and I'm going to be embarrassed.' But she infiltrates. And that's what terminators are going to be now. They infiltrate. They hide. They're not, 'What is that superhuman person?' That's what we're going to do with this series. And, I think, every week people are going to be watching the show going, 'OK, which one is it?'"

The Sarah Connor Chronicles (whose title may change to Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles) was adapted for television by Josh Friedman, who wrote 2005's War of the Worlds. It picks up the story of the title character (played by 300's Lena Headey) and her son, John Connor (Thomas Dekker) sometime after the 1991 second film, Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Glau plays a mysterious girl named Cameron, who turns out to be a terminator sent back from the year 2027 to protect John and Sarah in the past.

Glau, best known for her role as River Tam in the series Firefly and the feature film Serenity, said that she was daunted at the prospect of taking on an iconic character who doesn't have any emotions to draw upon.

"I was, to be honest, very intimidated," she said. "I didn't know how to play this character. I've played very vulnerable characters so far, and it's kind of what I do. So playing a girl that can't truly feel anything was very intimidating for me. It was hard to find a way to make the scene interesting. And I worked with Josh a lot of it. And then, in my final test, when I tested for the role, he wrote a third scene where I had to cry. And I was so confused by it at first. And then I realized that he's really going to take this far. She is really human. She can mimic the most subtle human emotions as well as a spy."

Glau was well aware that the audience may see some similarities between her character and a certain other superpowered teenager from another television series. In fact, when she got the role, she called Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon (who also created Firefly) for advice.

"I called Joss when I got the role, because I wanted his input and what he thought about me doing this," she said. "I just love any opportunity for a young girl to be empowered and to play a role like this. I think we can't get enough of that in this day and age. And I think there's still a lot of oppression for girls in Hollywood. I have to be honest. There's a lot of roles that are still degrading, I think, for girls. And I've turned down a lot of things because I want to play roles like this where girls are celebrated and they're empowered and it's inspiring." The Sarah Connor Chronicles will premiere on Fox in early 2008

Is it possible to merge the threads?

[tnvwboy]

I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned anything about the pilot last night.

My thoughts:

Summer Glau (Female Terminator): Not bad on the eyes but she seemed unsure how to play the character. One moment she was a teen girl, the next Terminator. I think if she can find a healthy middle ground there her character will work.

Thomas Dekker (John Connor): Once I got over the fact that it was Claire's gay firend Zach from Heroes, I found he played John Connor very well. Probably the best actor of the bunch.

Lena Headey (Sarah Connor): Not sure about her. It's hard not to wish her to be Linda Hamilton. She's definitely not 'hardcore' like Sarah from T2, but I can live with that.

The rest of the cast is throw away at the moment.

I was pleased to see them jump right into the action and not try to make this all sappy. I'm sure there will be some teen-angst stuff in there with John Connor but that's a given and will likely help it's appeal with the teen demo (if done properly).

The second half of the pilot is on tonight. We'll see if the formula improves. It's not bad, but it's missing something. I'd say it's more like Terminator 3 than Terminator 2, in terms of story.

Just my two cents, and we all know how much that's worth. ;)

[zoomtechtv]

Keep in mind pilots are like a beta test. Most thing that people do not like will be fixed.

[mattipton]

I've seen so many commercials for this new series that I assumed it had already started. Well, whatever... doesn't matter because it unfortunately managed to turn me off just with the commercials alone. There were some moments in the commercials that were so cheesy they were almost classical... they should not have been put in the commercials. One of them that stood out the most: "You get the guns and I'll make pancakes".

[tokenuser]

Hmmm. Missed it. For some reason I didn't think it was starting until Feb some time so wasn't watching for it ... and don't see ads because I rarely watch anything live these days.

[-mk-]

I watched it and I have to say I enjoyed it. It's what I expected a Terminator series to be: a story somewhat affiliated with the the plot of the movies and stuff blowing up. I would agree that the pilot itself wasn't overly captivating, but I usually feel that way with most pilots I see, so I'm going to keep giving this one a go and see how it plays out.

[mltvcocktail]

I tried to watch it but after 5 minutes of horrible dialog and a bad guy who looks like he should be terrorizing some CW neighborhood as the town bully I turned it off and watch Con Air on TNT. I flipped back occasionally during commercials and saw them turn a bank vault into a time chamber. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. "Thank god someone left pieces of a time machine in this bank vault!"

[mrpopular]

I enjoyed it, The only problem I have with Terminator series is T3. Which I enjoyed Nick Stahl(?) as John. The problem with it is, with the new movies and Sarah Conner Chronicles it seems like they should almost dismiss T3. The fact that it was mentioned in T3 that a chick Terminator is kinda weird. I guess they can say he just didn't mention it.

But I'll keep watching the series. hopefully it'll be good.

[esophagus]

The acting in that pilot was atrocious. Definitely not watching that series.

[theinevitable]

I tried to watch it but after 5 minutes of horrible dialog and a bad guy who looks like he should be terrorizing some CW neighborhood as the town bully I turned it off and watch Con Air on TNT. I flipped back occasionally during commercials and saw them turn a bank vault into a time chamber. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. "Thank god someone left pieces of a time machine in this bank vault!"

The reason it doesn't make sense is because you "flipped back occasionally during commercials". No one wants to hear a critic that didn't even watch it.

[ryudo]

It was Craptastic!

Whoever was playing Terminator he was the worst of all of them.

Summer is just picking up where she left off in firefly a hot chick acting wierd and kicking ass...Sarah was hot but didn't do the character that well and John was more whiney than the Terminator 3 version..what happened to the Terminator 2 character of John who was much stronger and more of a fighter/Rebel.

And what is the point of storing a hand pistol in your leg if you have to cut it out of yourself..why not just rob a gunstore or take from a cop or a thug or something?

Since this show looks like shit I bet fox keeps it....I mean if it was in way shape or form good Fox would cancel it.

[satori]

wow, what a crazy critical audience we have here. I thought it was ok for what it was. I think it needs to find it's sea legs, but it'll get there. Considering the alternative is a sea of reality shows or the like I'm saying yes to this. I don't watch a lot of TV, but I wouldn't mind something like this to be on for a while.

[gm_wil]

I actually liked it...probably because I was expecting crap...didn't like the first terminator...but the one from the second half was a lot better...

And I also like the wierdness of the female terminator...the glances, and the soft touch of his shoulder she did at one point...wha?

Not sure how long this can go on as a tv show though...because running from a terminator every episode is going to get old real fast...

glad they use the same music too...

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[tnvwboy]

I think the second episode was much better than the first. There are some serious issues that I hope they'll work out though.

#1. How did the head make it through the time portal? I thought the only way the terminators made it through was because of their outer living flesh covering their exo-skeleton? The head shouldn't have survived.

#2. The headless Terminator body. Who in their right mind would have allowed it to end up in a salvage yard. And what salvage yard would have scrap from 10 years ago still sitting around?

#3. How would a headless Terminator be able to act autonomously without it's head? Is the computer core stored else where? It wasn't portrayed that way in the Terminator movies.

#4. How did our new Terminatrix heal so quickly. She had a nasty gash on her right collar bone and then when they time traveled and she was standing naked in the road...no damage.

Maybe I'm being a sci-fi geek here but to take such a popular franchise and bring it back to life and then make dumb continuity mistakes is just lazy/bad writing. Especially with much strong sci-fi shows out there.

Fox needs to get it shit together with this quickly and not treat it's audience like we are stupid.

[-mk-]

Fox needs to get it shit together with this quickly and not treat it's audience like we are stupid.

You mean, treat their audience like the majority of us really are? :D Seriously, you do bring up some good points about the continuity I hope they'll address. I think we all do need to keep in mind though that we are watching Terminator produced to appeal to the masses, not us sci-fi geeks who obsess about these sort of details. I too enjoyed the second episode more than the first, but I still leave it plenty of room to crash and burn (it's not a done deal yet, IMO). Hope it gets better.

[ryudo]

I think the second episode was much better than the first. There are some serious issues that I hope they'll work out though.

#1. How did the head make it through the time portal? I thought the only way the terminators made it through was because of their outer living flesh covering their exo-skeleton? The head shouldn't have survived.

#2. The headless Terminator body. Who in their right mind would have allowed it to end up in a salvage yard. And what salvage yard would have scrap from 10 years ago still sitting around?

#3. How would a headless Terminator be able to act autonomously without it's head? Is the computer core stored else where? It wasn't portrayed that way in the Terminator movies.

#4. How did our new Terminatrix heal so quickly. She had a nasty gash on her right collar bone and then when they time traveled and she was standing naked in the road...no damage.

Maybe I'm being a sci-fi geek here but to take such a popular franchise and bring it back to life and then make dumb continuity mistakes is just lazy/bad writing. Especially with much strong sci-fi shows out there.

I agree with every word of that.



Fox needs to get it shit together with this quickly and not treat it's audience like we are stupid.

It's Fox so that will never happen.

[kickarse]

Did you say Fux?

[mittop]

Its ok..... so far. The guys really didn't seem to go for it, and I have been secretly hoping that the episodes they saw were sent back to the drawing board, as it has been long time since they reviewed them. I will watch a few more and we'll see how it goes.

[gm_wil]

I agree with every word of that.

ditto...

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[stopikingonme]

Ok, so I havn't finished watching the second part yet, so I won't comment on what I think, but did anyone else notice the:

1337

On the door to the computer store John Conner was at? Granted it wasn't subtle, but moderately appreciated.

[bman]

I think what I watched was what everyone else watched. When I first heard about this show (via jeff) I'm pretty sure he said it didn't look good. Since then I was not looking forward to the show, I didn't care much for it. I then was watching TV with nothing else to do and caught the show.

I really enjoyed it, maybe it was the nakedness or maybe it being Terminator I dont know, but I enjoyed the show and I will be watching the new episodes that come out. For the time being at least.

[moneytime]

I enjoyed it, but only because I wasn't expecting much. I didn't even intend to watch it until I saw that my brother Tivo'd it, so I was like, "eh, what the hell?"
So for story and content to be taken from the big screen (or would've been better off on the big screen) and converted to a tv series, it did ok. Yeah, the acting was bad, and the writing is a little obvious, but you can't say it's not entertaining, right? :D
That's enough for me at least.

[satori]

I enjoyed the second one a little more. I'm convinced that this is a show that needs to find it's sea legs. It's clearly better than a show like Stargates first few seasons and that thing ran for years. What I especially liked is that it's a persistent story line, wholly unlike Pushing Daisises that like the characters is stuck in some weird kind of Purgatory that only changes enough to make you wonder if it will ever actually change any more.

[damnedeyez]

I think the second episode was much better than the first. There are some serious issues that I hope they'll work out though.

#1. How did the head make it through the time portal? I thought the only way the terminators made it through was because of their outer living flesh covering their exo-skeleton? The head shouldn't have survived.

#2. The headless Terminator body. Who in their right mind would have allowed it to end up in a salvage yard. And what salvage yard would have scrap from 10 years ago still sitting around?

#3. How would a headless Terminator be able to act autonomously without it's head? Is the computer core stored else where? It wasn't portrayed that way in the Terminator movies.

#4. How did our new Terminatrix heal so quickly. She had a nasty gash on her right collar bone and then when they time traveled and she was standing naked in the road...no damage.

Maybe I'm being a sci-fi geek here but to take such a popular franchise and bring it back to life and then make dumb continuity mistakes is just lazy/bad writing. Especially with much strong sci-fi shows out there.

Fox needs to get it shit together with this quickly and not treat it's audience like we are stupid.

I'm guessing they'll explain #1 (if they do try to explain it) as the gun she fired at the guy affected things in a way to let it through (weak, but who knows)...but I've no idea why the body wouldn't have been collected and studied by the people left at the bank...unless it was 'transported' too and miraculously wound up in a scrap metal heap.

3/4 could be explained, somewhat, as new tech...perhaps the head adn body had a wireless link ability, and a GPS of sorts. She may heal quickly due to advancements in skin or somesuch (they are set to blend in now...which explains her change in attitude int eh first.)

Yeah, there's some stretches there, but the show was entertaining and has potential.

[j5onfield]

I had to check it out. Not much on tv so i downloaded it.

It was hard to watch at first. Then a few cool things happened and finally caught my attention so i made it threw. I usually know if I will probably keep watching and im guesstimating I will stop at no more then 6 eps just like bionic woman.

I cant say its horrible but there isn't any substance..

[satori]

I can't help but think I watched a different show than a few other people. I have no idea how anyone can say that there was no substance. There are many things that could be said, but given the two hours we've had I think it did fine.

[blacksymbiote]

I just watched the first episode and so far I think its good for what it has to work with. A lot of my friends are saying its nothing compared to T2... and I have to remind them that its not T2, its just a TV show and so you can't have a lot of swearing and huge gory shootings etc. I'll check out the second episode and see if it can keep my attention.

[mltvcocktail]

I'm hoping T4 will retcon this and T3 from the continuity. I think a lot of people are thinking this is ok because it's like you're starving and all of the sudden you get fed some gruel. It probably tastes like the best thing ever because you haven't eaten in so long but it's still horrible gruel.

[ryudo]

T3 was Gruel the TV show is imitation Gruel.

[ngower]

I just watched the pilot (thank you iTunes :)) and it was enjoyable. It needed some work, that's for sure, but it was still quite good fun and a good throwback to the original two films. The bad guy is horrible, not as scary/intense as the milk box guy in the first ones was, but I guess he works....

[theinevitable]

After episode 3 I am convinced that this series is going to be awesome. Anyone else agree?

[mltvcocktail]

After episode 3 I am convinced that this series is going to be awesome. Anyone else agree?

If this was Bizarro world then yes.

[ryudo]

After episode 3 I am convinced that this series is going to be awesome. Anyone else agree?
It's boring.
It's like the fugitive except with robots.

[bregmann-roche]

After episode 3 I am convinced that this series is going to be awesome. Anyone else agree?

I was on the fence after the first two but this one hooked me for good. It is not without flaws, but I'm in for as long as they actually have episodes to produce.

[satori]

After episode 3 I am convinced that this series is going to be awesome. Anyone else agree?

I'm not sure about awesome yet, but I'm definitely in for the long haul

[damnedeyez]

I don't like that they're focusing so much on how he and Summer handle school. I don't want to see The O.C. with robots.

[digital2d]

well don't they erase T3 with the whole jumping the the future stuff?.....I think the series has some legs....im interested in her model of terminator... she can eat....weird......they claim the series will have an impact on the new movie coming with Bale,and as we know Bale can do no wrong

[tsmith15]

My problem is that the mom should be around 15 years older than Linda was in Terminator 1 shouldn't she? She doesn't look old enough for the part.

I'm also dissapointed they had to erase T3 (even though it should hever have existed in the first place) just to fit in the plot they wanted instead of weaving it inbeween T2 and T3. It's the cheap way out.

Also, was there an episode this week?

[kilroyperrywinkle]

Okay.

I'm on board. Only because of the fast forward button, the whole "scientist" angle was good... some of it was shit, like Buffy/Terminator mash up, but all and all it was good.

I'm in.

[gm_wil]

just watched episode 3...it will take some major phuk ups to turn me off the show now.

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[satori]

My problem is that the mom should be around 15 years older than Linda was in Terminator 1 shouldn't she? She doesn't look old enough for the part.

I'm also dissapointed they had to erase T3 (even though it should hever have existed in the first place) just to fit in the plot they wanted instead of weaving it inbeween T2 and T3. It's the cheap way out.

Also, was there an episode this week? She looks about 23, 24 in the original. She looks about 40 in the show... that works.

[mltvcocktail]

I don't think the problem is the age, the problem is that Linda Hamilton could break Lena Headey in half with her pinky.

[jrmy0641]

It's boring.
It's like the fugitive except with robots.oh, do you mean it's like The Terminator??? What did you expect it to be?

[hepcat]

people seem to be split. I have the first three on TiVo. Should I go ahead a watch, or cancel the season pass and move on???

[damnedeyez]

people seem to be split. I have the first three on TiVo. Should I go ahead a watch, or cancel the season pass and move on???

Why not watch and decide then?

Mind you, I've done that before...had a few episodes of something recorded and decide 'meh, too much hassle'

[theinevitable]

...
It's like the fugitive except with robots.
AWESOME!!!!!

My problem is that the mom should be around 15 years older than Linda was in Terminator 1 shouldn't she? She doesn't look old enough for the part.

This series is supposed to start about two years after T2.

I'm also dissapointed they had to erase T3 (even though it should never have existed in the first place) just to fit in the plot they wanted instead of weaving it inbeween T2 and T3. It's the cheap way out.


We don't know where this story is going to take us. For all we know, the final episode has Sarah Conner go back in time to before the pilot and changes everything so that the events in this series never happened.

I don't understand the lack of love for T3. It was much better than I expected it to be.

[mltvcocktail]

We don't know where this story is going to take us. For all we know, the final episode has Sarah Conner go back in time to before the pilot and changes everything so that the events in this series never happened.


That would be one of the dumbest things in television history, almost as bad as St. Elsewhere happening inside a snowglobe.

[j5onfield]

We all agree ep 3 was much more entertaining. The terminator robots steal the show for me(i want more).

Can you blame the guys for not being into this show? Before ep3 it hasn't proven itself. I can now recommend checking out the show and hope it continues to get better.

[theinevitable]

That would be one of the dumbest things in television history, almost as bad as St. Elsewhere happening inside a snowglobe.
St Elsewhere happens in a snowglobe? Thats funny.

I agree with you regarding that specific example. I was just pointing out that with time travel, the story could be bent to fit within the movie timeline.

[gm_wil]

don't understand the lack of love for T3. It was much better than I expected it to be.

Same here...

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[mltvcocktail]

Compared to one and especially two, no, it's not good. Taken as just a summer action film it's not bad. With Rifftrax it's great.

[jordanm85]

I thought Terminator 3 was better than Terminator 1. I really enjoyed it. I like the show a whole lot too, I don't know where the negative reviews are coming from.

[theinevitable]

Compared to one and especially two, no, it's not good. Taken as just a summer action film it's not bad. With Rifftrax it's great.

The thing with sequels is that they don't have to be better than the first. Its like when you see the first one and you're like, "That was great, I'd love to see more." Then the sequel comes out and its rarely as good as the first, but your still, "Wow, that was fun. I'd sit through another 2 hours of that!" And so they make another.

As long as the fun continues, I say keep it going. I thought T3 was a load of fun.

[tnvwboy]

So, it's been a few weeks now, what does everyone think? I think it's doing decent. I'm entertained each week. It's not great but it has moments.

I'm beginning to wonder what our Terminatrix is really after, what her real mission is. There seems to be a deeper plot that hasn't surfaced yet.

I'm also glad they have kept the whole high school story line to a minimum too. They seem to be keeping focus on the action and danger and keeping the human growth aspect focused on that.

[kilroyperrywinkle]

I hated the pilot of this. Hated the premise. I only stuck it out because Summer is hot. I'm that shallow.

I'm pretty hooked. The last episodes was pretty weak, but I enjoyed it. The idea of there being numerous "models" of terminators. That they've got a whole Crayola box of killing machines to pick from makes it interesting to me.

So yeah, I'm on board.

[tnvwboy]

The idea of there being numerous "models" of terminators. That they've got a whole Crayola box of killing machines to pick from makes it interesting to me.

Kinda makes sense...they can't all look like Arnold. Since physical appearance is tied to bone (or endoskeletal) structure, it would make sense that there would be different "models".

[damnedeyez]

I'm beginning to wonder what our Terminatrix is really after, what her real mission is. There seems to be a deeper plot that hasn't surfaced yet.



I was beginning to wonder if maybe she was the origins of SkyNet...

[tnvwboy]

I was beginning to wonder if maybe she was the origins of SkyNet...

Maybe she doesn't want to stop SkyNet but make it a kinder, gentler SkyNet.

First she keeps a piece of that alloy and then shows remorse for deactivating the T-888 (she was writing her grief since she can't cry). Something seems odd with her.

[theinevitable]

After seeing how the Terminators get their appearance, it makes it so much more believable/acceptable that Arnold is not one of them.

Now when that one Terminator took the plastic surgeon's eyes, does that mean that all the Terminator's flesh eyes taken from a human? If so, that creeps me out.

[elisa]

I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying the show. I like the kind of back and forth between Sarah Connor and the Terminator, but the boy's whiny and super annoying. Summer Glau is amazing as the Terminator. She's about a 10000 times better an actress than Kristanna Loken who shouldn't be let act in any more films. All in all, it's good fun to watch.

[damnedeyez]

Maybe she doesn't want to stop SkyNet but make it a kinder, gentler SkyNet.

First she keeps a piece of that alloy and then shows remorse for deactivating the T-888 (she was writing her grief since she can't cry). Something seems odd with her.

Was it remorse or more of a "So that's what I boil down to..."?


After seeing how the Terminators get their appearance, it makes it so much more believable/acceptable that Arnold is not one of them.

Now when that one Terminator took the plastic surgeon's eyes, does that mean that all the Terminator's flesh eyes taken from a human? If so, that creeps me out.

I'm assuming not...it was just easier to do that in the 'past'.

[satori]

this show needs more buzz, it's not getting the ratings it deserves.

[mltvcocktail]

this show needs more buzz, it's not getting the ratings it deserves.

I thought the 50 gazillion ads rammed down our throats during the Super Bowl would generate some buzz.

[darknessgp]

I'm assuming not...it was just easier to do that in the 'past'.

I agree with you. The terminator only had to get blood and a very long formula for the guy to be able to make the skin, it would seem a lot less likely that suitable artificial eyes could be made similarly.

As far as the writing the note, since she was designed for more social things, it would make sense for her to have remorse for killing. IMO, it kind of comes off as she doesn't really want to kill, but in a lot of situations it is the most logical thing to protect John. It'll be interesting to see where the character is taken, as it seems she gets more human in her interactions with each episode.

[gm_wil]

I was beginning to wonder if maybe she was the origins of SkyNet...

...or...

John Conner created her and they ended up having offspring...and the terminators are their pissed off kids...and they are coming back in time because no one understands them in the future at Killer Robot School...and they weren't good enough to get by the dogs and get a KRS letter jacket...or drive skynet's cool hovercraft...so they blame their dad...and want to kill him.


"This is GM Wil reporting...FOX NEWS!"





(BTW - I really really like this show)

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[theinevitable]

I'm also disappointed they had to erase T3 (even though it should never have existed in the first place) just to fit in the plot they wanted instead of weaving it in between T2 and T3. It's the cheap way out.

I just thought of something. Aren't the writers of this series the same guys that wrote T3 and are doing T4? According to wikipedia, T4 is takes place after the events of T3, so it doesn't erase T3.

Now in the future they start going back in time and change things, creating several different time lines. What if the fact that there are several different time lines is a major plot point to T4? Then we will look back and see how genius this series is.

[ti3gib]

It's pretty good, but I think the plot is progressing too slowly. It's the fifth episode and what everything should have materialized to by now just isn't.

It's action packed, so they should pick up the pace a little.

[toolegit2kwit]

I am watching the show right up until john and the Terminatrix do it. Then the show will be pointless for me to watch . I am just in it to prove that I am right , I saw the trailer and said to my self they are going to have sex some point in this season and i wanted to know how that will play out.

[theinevitable]

I am watching the show right up until john and the Terminatrix do it. Then the show will be pointless for me to watch . I am just in it to prove that I am right , I saw the trailer and said to my self they are going to have sex some point in this season and i wanted to know how that will play out.
That's like Luke and Leia doing it. Its not gonna happen.

[tnvwboy]

I am watching the show right up until john and the Terminatrix do it. Then the show will be pointless for me to watch .

I'm with ya on that one. That'll be a loud and clear "Jump the Shark" moment.

[satori]

wow, did anyone see last weeks and then this weeks episodes. I think this show just entered into BSG levels of intrigue. When we saw Cameron dancing to Ballet with that music going the hair on the back of my neck stood up.

[gm_wil]

wow, did anyone see last weeks and then this weeks episodes. I think this show just entered into BSG levels of intrigue. When we saw Cameron dancing to Ballet with that music going the hair on the back of my neck stood up.

gonna watch it when avail online...yeah, I've been really getting into the show...now you've made me wanna watch it while i do the bike instead of waiting...glad someone else is liking it too...

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[zoomtechtv]

You can watch it at

http://www.fox.com/terminator/

or

http://www.hulu.com/

if you do not have a hulu accoutn sign up now, and wait for a invite. I like hulu better then then watching on fox.com. Hulu's fullscreen is better.

[satori]

You can watch it at

http://www.fox.com/terminator/

or

http://www.hulu.com/

if you do not have a hulu accoutn sign up now, and wait for a invite. I like hulu better then then watching on fox.com. Hulu's fullscreen is better.
The Fox site is only good in the US and the Hulu site has closed it's Beta.

[gm_wil]

just watched it on fox online...wowzers...

i think that's the first time ive seen summer dance except for the snippets from firefly...interesting web they are weaving...

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[tnvwboy]

I really like the character dynamics they have created. Interesting tension without resorting to sappy crap. I really enjoyed all the T2 references too. It made this episode really feel tied to the existing legacy, even with different actors.

I can't wait until next week to see how they wrap the season (hopefully it won't end up being a series wrap).

[gm_wil]

(hopefully it won't end up being a series wrap).

No worries...Fox doesn't cancel good shows...

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[arimus25]

I have 10 invites for Hulu if anybody wants one.

I am liking this show. I cant beleive the season finally is next week. Doesnt seem like there where that many episodes.

[jchaosrs]

wow, did anyone see last weeks and then this weeks episodes. I think this show just entered into BSG levels of intrigue. When we saw Cameron dancing to Ballet with that music going the hair on the back of my neck stood up.

That defiantly increased my interest in this show by two-fold.

[tsmith15]

I watch it like probably once every two weeks but my PVR is on the fritz because of the ex-writer's strike and nothing gets recorded like it should.

[zoomtechtv]

You can watch the episodes for free at

http://www.fox.com/terminator/

or

http://www.hulu.com/

[tsmith15]

TBH I like the HD quality on a 32" TV, my computer wouldn't satisfy me.

[gm_wil]

has anyone else been REALLY liking this series besides me...this last episode was so damn good...and I had just listened to that song the day before too...

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[tsmith15]

It's better than watching nothing but I hardly find it top notch programming.

[gm_wil]

this last two-part episode titled, "Today is the Day" was good . . . damn good.

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[bobwilson]

has anyone else been REALLY liking this series besides me...this last episode was so damn good...and I had just listened to that song the day before too...

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Yep, I think the first few episodes started a little shakey but this show has really hit its stride. My wife and I watch it every week and we too really enjoyed the last episode.

It will be interesting to see if any of the story line or actors from the TV show make it into the new movie.

Did anyone happen to see James Cameron's comments about the Terminator series. Interesting he mentioned "turning his back on it" before T3. http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/17-04/ff_cameron#

[serenity]

has anyone else been REALLY liking this series besides me...this last episode was so damn good...and I had just listened to that song the day before too...

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I ADORE this show. It's just gotten better and better! I loved the latest episode and the questions it raised about morality and humanity.

[gm_wil]

This last episode is one of the best episodes of tv I've seen in a long time. The way it was written and filmed was amazing. Award worthy in my opinion.

-----Please no spoilers-----

Seriously - anyone on the fence who might have quit after a couple episodes go back. I thought the guy playing the terminator (now john henry) was blah at first - but now he's one of my favorite characters. There is some interesting shit going on.

These last 4 episodes have put this show on par with my love of Firefly and the way this story is coming together puts BSG writing to shame.

I don't remember the guys ever talking about it and I can't fathom why. The execution of this latest episode would be something that Dan would get excited about I'd imagine.

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[rickweasel]

This last episode is one of the best episodes of tv I've seen in a long time. The way it was written and filmed was amazing. Award worthy in my opinion.

-----Please no spoilers-----

Seriously - anyone on the fence who might have quit after a couple episodes go back. I thought the guy playing the terminator (now john henry) was blah at first - but now he's one of my favorite characters. There is some interesting shit going on.

These last 4 episodes have put this show on par with my love of Firefly and the way this story is coming together puts BSG writing to shame.

I don't remember the guys ever talking about it and I can't fathom why. The execution of this latest episode would be something that Dan would get excited about I'd imagine.

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I totally agree!!!! I yelled "WHAT!?" so loud my roommate came out and ask what was wrong. haha. I told him, he should have not given up on the show,But about Putting BSG to shame I dont know about that one...Have not watched BSG...but I hear its great. That is all.

[gm_wil]

But about Putting BSG to shame I dont know about that one...Have not watched BSG...but I hear its great.

I did the same - but it was WTF (loud and slow) cause i was shocked

About the BSG - I'm not saying it was bad - just seemed like they did stuff at the beginning to surprise people and make it cool but when it came down to wrapping it up with the loose ends they just made a bunch of shit up to duct tape it all together. TSCC is coming across solid.

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[gm_wil]

In reference to the latest episode titled; "Born to Run"

http://homepage.mac.com/wilknoble/whatisgoinon.jpg

(PS. Confused in a kick ass sorta way)

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[tnvwboy]

I'm shocked there are no comments on the last episode of the season (hopefully not the end of the series). Lots of big things happened! I dont want to spoil anything but I'm anxious to talk to someone about it.

[gm_wil]

I'm shocked there are no comments on the last episode of the season (hopefully not the end of the series). Lots of big things happened! I dont want to spoil anything but I'm anxious to talk to someone about it.

Wha? That's it for this season?

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[serenity]

I'm shocked there are no comments on the last episode of the season (hopefully not the end of the series). Lots of big things happened! I dont want to spoil anything but I'm anxious to talk to someone about it.

It was AMAZING.

I love, love love what they did. We are trying to figure out what it all means since there are many ways this could be interpreted.
God I hope we get a season 3.

[gm_wil]

God I hope we get a season 3.

I second that . . . that would SUCK to leave it like this . . .

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[scoobydiesel]

I have not seen any of this show but i kinda want to...I wish it was Watch it now on netflix :D

[serenity]

Well...

That's the end of that.

T: SSC is cancelled. :(

[gm_wil]

Well...

That's the end of that.

T: SCC is cancelled. :(

What? Positive? It's gonna be "Pushing Daisies" already? If it's done . . . I really don't understand what the f is going on . . . at all.

(yep - just visited a few sites - I give up.)

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[ryudo]

Only hope now is that Sci Fi or another cable network picks it up.

[wideawakewesley]

I haven't watched the last episode yet, but I've not been impressed this season yet. Not surprised it's been cancelled.

[gm_wil]

I haven't watched the last episode yet, but I've not been impressed this season yet. Not surprised it's been cancelled.

Wes, what have you been puttin in your tea man?

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[cybersuchus]

It is somewhat surprising given that a new Terminator film is slated to come out in the next couple of days (a, likely, good film at that).

[joeyrock]

Meh.. I stopped watching when there was some alien/future ship flying over a barn that Sarah went to for some reason or something. There was also some story with writing on a wall in blood and everyone inexplicably got a shrink. Could not care less about the "feelings" of the people on a show like this... they should have stuck with the simple 'on the run' forumla.

It lost it's way, now it's dead.

[kzap]

Am I the only one who liked this show? (I haven't had time to read all the comments) maybe it's just because it's a story of the week show and I really like them and most shows are going away from that style but I own season 1 on DVD (admittedly it was a present) and I think it's better than T3.

[kzap]

It is somewhat surprising given that a new Terminator film is slated to come out in the next couple of days (a, likely, good film at that).
I think that's why the canned it because they didn't wanted to get the continuity mixed up and the films would be more likely to make money so they are focusing on that.

[wideawakewesley]

Wes, what have you been puttin in your tea man?

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Two sugars, but seriously, this season has been all over the place. The whole plot revolving around the lead singer from Garbage was awful, as was she. The whole Riley angle seemed completely pointless. It all seemed like they were trying to build up for another season, rather than concentrating on giving some focus to this one. The show never seemed to know what it's goal was, what it wanted to be. They should have made John Connor the focus of the show and everything should have revolved around him and the events that lead to him growing into a man capable of leading the resistance. Instead it tried to do too many things and suffered as a result.

[gm_wil]

Two sugars, but seriously, this season has been all over the place. The whole plot revolving around the lead singer from Garbage was awful, as was she. The whole Riley angle seemed completely pointless. It all seemed like they were trying to build up for another season, rather than concentrating on giving some focus to this one. The show never seemed to know what it's goal was, what it wanted to be. They should have made John Connor the focus of the show and everything should have revolved around him and the events that lead to him growing into a man capable of leading the resistance. Instead it tried to do too many things and suffered as a result.

SPOILERS

I can see that - I thought that about the singer too at the beginning, but ended up digging this season because of it . . . I thought it was turning out she might be starting some resistance thing that was happening in the future (submarine episode) and was not the start of Skynet.

I also loved seeing stuff other than John Conner. That can get old fast. John Henry was interesting as hell. The Riley stuff started out slow but got interesting when it created problems on multiple levels . . . it was all coming together and taking root so I am still shocked it was canned because it felt like it was a really big build up for the finale that was a WTF episode . . . and to see the chance to have Summer portray a human with emotion was so promising . . . they dangle the carrot and not only pull it out of our reach, they smack us upside the head . . .

tea actually sounds good right now . . .

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[browncoat24]

The middle of the second season got stuck in it's own plot (the whole 3 dot arc thing). After they got out of the plot the season got much better. The last 4 episodes of season 2 were phenomenal and I can't believe that they would end the show just like that after the HUGE plot twist at the end.

Terminator Salvation just made me miss the show that much more :(

[gm_wil]

The middle of the second season got stuck in it's own plot (the whole 3 dot arc thing). After they got out of the plot the season got much better. The last 4 episodes of season 2 were phenomenal and I can't believe that they would end the show just like that after the HUGE plot twist at the end.


Terminator Salvation just made me miss the show that much more :(

Agree so much had to post from iPhone cause lacking Internet for a bit

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[scoobydiesel]

I didnt read anything in the thread really but wanted to say i picked up the first season for 14.99 from target the other week...but i think it was a sell.


but i think its 25 normally so its not all that bad.

hope i end up enjoying it.

[satori]

season 1 is a little slow until towards the end. By season 2 it's in full effect.

[scoobydiesel]

Can i get season 2 on dvd for hella cheap too?

(yet to watch S1 still lol)

[satori]

Watch Season 1, don't skip to 2. Yes it gets a little samey for the first half, but once they realise that they can't slow burn it the the show gets interesting. I don't believe you can get season 2 on DVD yet, but I believe iTunes has the full season.

[nshady]

Major bump, I know, but I went back and caught up on the show. I was surprised at how negative many of the reactions in this thread were. I was never a huge huge fan of the films, so the little departures didn't bother me much. Season two was a lot better than the first, and even though the Jesse/Riley story took a while to get going, the resolution was great. It kind of makes sense why the cleared the house character-wise at the end of season two because of the jump in the finale. It sucks that there is no more and I feel kind of guilty because as much of an improvement as Dollhouse's second season was (and as much as I liked it) it's clear Terminator was the better show. To anyone who was thinking about going back and checking it out, I have to say it was still worth it even though it ends in a really interesting, incomplete place.

[satori]

I wonder if there is any worthwhile fan fiction that finishes the story arc off.

[jtv]

Season two was a lot better than the first,

Yeah.

I never thought these words would ever come out of my mouth (keyboard), but this show was made much better with the addition of Brian Austin Green.

[icu]

Yeah.

I never thought these words would ever come out of my mouth (keyboard), but this show was made much better with the addition of Brian Austin Green.

Same reaction, but I agree - he kind of countered the pussyness of John.
Really started to like this show during S2 as well - was sad to see it go.

[darth-ed]

I really liked TSCC, and I still miss that show. The second season was so great. It was way better than Terminator: Salvation, that's for sure!

[satori]

I feel if it had less Batman voice over it might have been ok.