TRS Episode 10: Love Nut [Rad Discussion]

[chuckles]

Episode 10: Love Nut

This week: Straight from Star Wars Celebration IV, reviews of Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End and Knocked Up, a look at the John Rambo teaser footage, and video game news about Assassin's Creed, Fable 2, and the new Tom Clancy series, Endwar. Plus, the TV section returns with discussion of the Heroes and Lost season finales and more! It is the Totally Rad Show Episode 10: "Love Nut", the one is which Dan is beloved, Alex watches Roadhouse, Jeff is already wrong about On the Lot, and we all dress up.

Sorry for the delay......

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[sugarsickness]

Downloading right now, I just really hope this episode can compete (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7885/sooperradpx8.jpg).

[chuckles]

Downloading right now, I just really hope this episode can compete (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7885/sooperradpx8.jpg).

Are you kidding?!?! This episode is so far more RAD than that dude... he can only dream about being 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 as RAD!!

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[vincent12234]

Awesome, Thank you! Glad to see it out and downloading now.

[gi_josh]

Are you kidding?!?! This episode is so far more RAD than that dude... he can only dream about being 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 as RAD!!

-chuckles-

Chuckles, I just want to tell ya thanks for being so gung ho and rad so late this evening. Thanks for coming through for us and getting the ep out!

[kippjon]

Downloading right now, I just really hope this episode can compete (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7885/sooperradpx8.jpg).

Wow. I don't know who you are, but please stop posting that picture of me.

[sugarsickness]

I recognized the intro as soon as the text first appeared.


Utterly. Awesome.

[weebl]

Great episode guys! Now I really gotta get some sleep...it's 4:35AM here...


btw. Steve you are so ****ing awesome! Props!
http://amiciti.dk/images/trs_steverocks.jpg

[yodaizmyhomie]

Another great episode guys, especially with you all at celebration IV but...

Was anyone else dissapointed how the Lost discussion went? It seemed like Jeff and Alex totally shunned it, just making jokes to each other while Dan was serious about it. I could be reading into this wrong, but it just seems like this is the first time they've kinda ignored what fans wanted discussed on the show. A lot of people (including the ones who left) have really enjoyed it now. Props to Dan for sticking with it :)

Not trying to diss Alex or Jeff by any means, cuz I love the show, but just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way.

[darksyns]

Another great episode guys, especially with you all at celebration IV but...

Was anyone else dissapointed how the Lost discussion went? It seemed like Jeff and Alex totally shunned it, just making jokes to each other while Dan was serious about it. I could be reading into this wrong, but it just seems like this is the first time they've kinda ignored what fans wanted discussed on the show. A lot of people (including the ones who left) have really enjoyed it now. Props to Dan for sticking with it :)

Not trying to diss Alex or Jeff by any means, cuz I love the show, but just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way.

I understand where you are coming from but I honestly think they didn't really talk about it all that much because they just haven't seen it and they have been turned off to the show. I know I do the same thing when people talk about something I'm not really interested anymore. But I do agree that they definitely should give it a chance. I'm a big Lost geek and I honestly think Season 3 was just as good as Season 1.

[cashoutcurse]

Another great episode guys, especially with you all at celebration IV but...

Was anyone else dissapointed how the Lost discussion went? It seemed like Jeff and Alex totally shunned it, just making jokes to each other while Dan was serious about it. I could be reading into this wrong, but it just seems like this is the first time they've kinda ignored what fans wanted discussed on the show. A lot of people (including the ones who left) have really enjoyed it now. Props to Dan for sticking with it :)

Not trying to diss Alex or Jeff by any means, cuz I love the show, but just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way.

I totally agree. Watching that discussion almost makes me disregard anything Jeff says about The Shield or Alex says about Heroes. Well I've actually already disregarded what Alex says about Heroes, because I watched the first 6 or 7 episodes of that and quit when they started saying "save the cheerleader save the world." Plus the acting is atrocious.

I actually don't want the people who stopped watching Lost to come back and start watching it again. The last thing the show needs is more fairweather fans to b.itch when they don't get their answers in the first 5 episodes of Season 4. They should stick with the brainless show Heroes. See what I did there?

Lost is for people who love debate, theory, speculation, literature, analysis, and God forbid - THINKING. Yes there have been a couple of weak episodes this season, but on the whole (especially towards the backend) it has been spectacular.

I was excited when the guys mentioned they would be talking about the Lost finale, but angered at the outcome.

[trsjeff]

I totally agree. Watching that discussion almost makes me disregard anything Jeff says about The Shield or Alex says about Heroes. Well I've actually already disregarded what Alex says about Heroes, because I watched the first 6 or 7 episodes of that and quit when they started saying "save the cheerleader save the world." Plus the acting is atrocious.

I actually don't want the people who stopped watching Lost to come back and start watching it again. The last thing the show needs is more fairweather fans to b.itch when they don't get their answers in the first 5 episodes of Season 4. They should stick with the brainless show Heroes. See what I did there?

Lost is for people who love debate, theory, speculation, literature, analysis, and God forbid - THINKING. Yes there have been a couple of weak episodes this season, but on the whole (especially towards the backend) it has been spectacular.

I was excited when the guys mentioned they would be talking about the Lost finale, but angered at the outcome.

Wow. That was intense. One thing I've learned is that Lost fans are passionate. I will go on record and say that when season 3 comes out on DVD I will give it another chance. I WANT to like it, I do. But I have to take issue with the concept of "fair weather fans" of Lost. It is not as if my team started loosing and I stopped supporting them. I actually felt jerked around and insulted by the narrative. So I walked away. I am thrilled to hear that it has redeemed itself, and I'm willing to give it another chance on DVD.

I guess what I'm really saying is, please don't let anything I say stop you from watching the Shield - THE BEST SHOW IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISION.

:)

-Jeff

[popltree2]

Best intro ever!

[yodaizmyhomie]

Wow. That was intense. One thing I've learned is that Lost fans are passionate. I will go on record and say that when season 3 comes out on DVD I will give it another chance. I WANT to like it, I do. But I have to take issue with the concept of "fair weather fans" of Lost. It is not as if my team started loosing and I stopped supporting them. I actually felt jerked around and insulted by the narrative. So I walked away. I am thrilled to hear that it has redeemed itself, and I'm willing to give it another chance on DVD.

I guess what I'm really saying is, please don't let anything I say stop you from watching the Shield - THE BEST SHOW IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISION.

:)

-Jeff

Jeff man, seriously, awesome reply. And, yes, if you give Lost another shot, The Shield will be in my netflix queue.

This is why I love this show; actual interaction with the fans. :)

[shakermaker]

love the outtakes!!! lol!!!

totally agree with Jeff on the Shield, however I haven't had time to watch it on regular basis, I'll have to wait till it comes out on dvd to catch up. Tv section is really not for me, seeing as I don't really watch allot of tv shows, I'm still on Friends and ER re runs.

[popltree2]

Jeff, did you guys stay until after the credits of Pirates 3 to get the wrap up on the Elizabeth/Will story?

[cashoutcurse]

Wow. That was intense. One thing I've learned is that Lost fans are passionate. I will go on record and say that when season 3 comes out on DVD I will give it another chance. I WANT to like it, I do. But I have to take issue with the concept of "fair weather fans" of Lost. It is not as if my team started loosing and I stopped supporting them. I actually felt jerked around and insulted by the narrative. So I walked away. I am thrilled to hear that it has redeemed itself, and I'm willing to give it another chance on DVD.

I guess what I'm really saying is, please don't let anything I say stop you from watching the Shield - THE BEST SHOW IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISION.

:)

-Jeff

Jeff,

Thanks for the reply. I'm just giving you guys a hard time. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't see how anyone who left the show is going to feel any better after coming back to Lost. You don't really get any more answers this season. And that seemed to be the gripe that most people had. This season was the season of the Others, yet we still don't know all that much about them after 23 new episodes. I feel that if someone felt jerked around at the beginning of Season 3 you are still going to feel jerked around by the end. And the surprises won't be as good because as displayed in your latest episode you guys already know the cliffhanger. I have to defend the writers and say if they started answering the big mythological questions halfway through the series run, what else is there to look forward to? But what do I know, I was an X-Files fan!

Mike

[filmcub]

Great episode guys! Now I really gotta get some sleep...it's 4:35AM here...


btw. Steve you are so ****ing awesome! Props!
http://amiciti.dk/images/trs_steverocks.jpg

Thanks Weebl! I was pretty proud of that one myself :D

[invisibleman]

You guys talked about Video Games that make the player care about the story and the players.
I always thought the Legend of Zelda games (mainly OoT and newer) have always provided a great story and characters I care about. I always really like the characters and thought they put a lot of 'heart" into the video game and the story was very timeless.
The story is has a lot of established archetypes such as Hero saving a Princess from an Evil power and its done in a tastefully way that endears itself to the player. It reminds me of Star Wars IV - VI in that its old hero - princess - save the world story done in a tastefully way. (Heroes too :cool:)
I think the reason people go nuts over here in the states over any Zelda news (even more than Japan sometimes) is its a very good story that resonates with us. We enjoy the story and the characters and the way the story plays out. There are other puzzle/adventure games but none of them contain characters we know, like, and more importantly a story we just can't get enough. Its more like a good book series than a typical video game.

[friedostrich]

Dare I say... least rad episode ever?

First off, that Heroes finale sucked hard. Sure it wrapped up the story, but not in a satisfying way. It was one of the most anticlimactic finales I've ever seen, ever. And, in retrospect, it didn't even do what it promised to do: it didn't answer any of the questions (that I wanted them to at least). What is the significance of that symbol? Why do these people have powers? What happened with the older generation of heroes? Honestly, I don't know if I'm coming back next season.

In a way, it made me appreciate Lost. Believe what you must, but the creators know what they are doing. They have a timeline for everything... and if a storyline takes a certain time to complete, they'll let it. They won't try to cram a season's worth of mysteries into a timeframe that will hinder the show, and we're seeing the payoff of this now. And damn, that finale was amazing.

Also, that Assassin's Creed trailer was terrible! It was just the same footage we saw from last E3, except repackaged and set to music. Only Ubi could get away with showing less than they did over a year earlier and still garner praise. Though I do agree that Jane (or Jade?) Raymond is delicious.

Lastly, props to Dan for the pageant. Ballsy, my friend, you couldn't have paid me. And I totally agree with Dan on the ICO/Colossus thing... maybe its not exactly mainstream, but damn if you didn't care about Agro or Yorda when it came down to the nitty gritty.

EDIT: Fixed some typos. Me speak engrish reel good.

[spartan777]

the intro for this episode was hilarious. the best ever!

[brettville]

I'm a happier man for having seen George Lucas get booed off the stage at a Star Wars convention. :)

[zombi]

Jeff,
I could not agree with you more about On the Lot. As a wannabe film maker I was also annoyed by the show. I think it is perhaps most annoying because of its treatment of filmmaking, these people want to direct, not be an assistant, so why design contests where the criteria is solely who can finish asinine contests first?

Where project greenlight was about the business (sometimes so much so that it killed the project), on the lot is about the viewer's experience. Which is to say, that as a viewer of Project Greenlight we were passive and simply looked at a process removed from the process itself. Involving an audience, whose sole stream of information to construct a decision is controlled by the show’s production team, seems to be placing the importance on the audience and not the participants and in a sense, we become the reality aspect of the show not the directors. PG also provided an environment that allowed the director to experience the business he/she was aspiring to enter while not totally destroying any residual artistic merit. On the Lot seems to be tailored to a demographic that wants to see conflict regardless of its context or even importance of the conflict itself.

The comparisons with PG may be seen by some as unfair, but as was clearly the inspiration for the other it is an important comparison to make. On the Lot appears to be a race where the director who is willing to tailor his vision first to the arbitrary committee's demands wins, designing by committee at its worst. And it is in that where On the Lot pails in comparison to PG, the artistic vision of the director is seen as secondary to how far they can throw an egg without breaking it.

Also, hell yes for the shield, gotta get dan and alex to watch. Cmon guys!

As I said, great episode guys.

[trsjeff]

Jeff, did you guys stay until after the credits of Pirates 3 to get the wrap up on the Elizabeth/Will story?

Nope. Couldn't get out of there fast enough. :)

-Jeff

[popltree2]

They are cutting the time line DAMN close with Keith playing the guitar. For all intents and purposes, the movie appear to take place during the height of the East India Company's power which was the early 1810's. The guitar style that Keith is playing wasn't introduced until the 1850's. Granted, the movie could have taken place later on in East India's life, but there would only be about a 10 year buffer.

[popltree2]

Nope. Couldn't get out of there fast enough. :)

-Jeff

It's almost like you hate this movie as much as I hate The Shield. ;) Am I wrong or was this the first video game intro?

[popltree2]

w00t! I r l33t!!

EDIT: okay, maybe not yet.

[orchyre]

Oh Jeff and his pronunciation of Sylar, always makes me laugh.

[gm_wil]

I just got done sitting through a few days of non stop Battlestar Galactica season 3 and thought the finale was kick ass . . . to the point I laughed outloud in excitement and anticipation for the next season . . .

(I don't know why but I laugh when something's so cool it deserves an outburst )

. . . anywho, this latest RAD podcast was better than that season 3 finale . . . my face hurts because I smiled and laughed through the entire podcast . . . it was that awesome.

I think it might be all the disagreement and passionate feelings coming out of you guys about the various subjects . . . when all three of you agree on something there are viewers who disagree but they don't have a voice and maybe even decide "they don't know what they are talking about" . . . but when you guys sometimes disagree it's so much more apealing for the viewers because there's something there for everyone . . . get what I'm saying? (not that you need to disagree for a good show)

Those looks you were giving one another of "what the **** are you saying?" are hilarious . . . and real. This was by far the best episode ever because it was the most genuine.

What a RAD way to end the day.

(and I'm glad you didn't like Pirates 3 either because for awhile I was thinking I'm just getting too fussy in my old age)

[popltree2]

I just got done sitting through a few days of non stop Battlestar Galactica season 3 and thought the finale was kick ass . . . to the point I laughed outloud in excitement and anticipation for the next season . . .

(I don't know why but I laugh when something's so cool it deserves an outburst )

. . . anywho, this latest RAD podcast was better than that season 3 finale . . . my face hurts because I smiled and laughed through the entire podcast . . . it was that awesome.

I think it might be all the disagreement and passionate feelings coming out of you guys about the various subjects . . . when all three of you agree on something there are viewers who disagree but they don't have a voice and maybe even decide "they don't know what they are talking about" . . . but when you guys sometimes disagree it's so much more apealing for the viewers because there's something there for everyone . . . get what I'm saying? (not that you need to disagree for a good show)

Those looks you were giving one another of "what the **** are you saying?" are hilarious . . . and real. This was by far the best episode ever because it was the most genuine.

What a RAD way to end the day.

(and I'm glad you didn't like Pirates 3 either because for awhile I was thinking I'm just getting too fussy in my old age)

Them not liking Pirates 3 has nothing to do with your fussiness. You are still too fussy. Unfussy your self immediately. kthxbye!

[lrsk]

As always, an entertaining show guys. The movie and video game sections are definately more the most interesting for me, seeing as I don't watch too much TV. I have been watching Lost sporadically though and I really enjoyed the finale. Also, I can't wait for Prison Break seanson 3 in August!

I have a couple of gripes though. Dan, you need to finish your sentences. I really believe that you have something interesting and insightful to say, but you get halfway through the sentence and then start a new one. It made the Pirates 3 review hard to listen to. Doesn't happen all the time, just when you get worked up I guess :)

Now I'm sad cause it's a whole week til next time...

[captainzerocool]

the intro for this episode was hilarious. the best ever!

+1

I agree.

[MaxTheSilent]

That beginning was utter effing genius.

I howled through the whole thing.

[imagineer99]

It seemed like I was all alone on this forum with the "Pirates" bashing...

If feels good, now, to have some heavy support! Good show, as always, gents.

[crumbles]

The Lost finale made me want to start watching that show again. I thought it was a BILLION times better than the Heroes finale. In Heroes, right when they flew up into the sky, I was like: "Seriously, this is it?"

Also, the fact that Lost has introduced Desmond into the show, really means that the flash-forwards may never even happen. I feel like he is there to change the future anyway. Maybe we are watching what MIGHT happen if he fails.

[chepito]

I felt that this was the best episode yet, you guys continually improve upon the previous episode.

Steve did some especially rad work in this one. :D

[wideawakewesley]

Hey Guys,

Enjoyed the episode, but not quite as much as others recently. I think some of the stuff you chose to discuss was maybe a little unexpected, which isn't necessarily bad, but things like "On the lot" mean absolutely nothing to me over here in the UK. Reality TV generally doesn't travel as each country has it's own version, so I'd suggest avoiding discussing that in future, unless you want to be American-centric.

It was nice to see the discussion on Heroes, but I would have liked to have seen all of you discussing Lost. You could have got all the episodes you'd missed from one source or another and watched them, like Dan did with Heroes. However, in regards to Heroes, I totally agree with some of Jeff and Alex's points. I'm sure the big battle is coming, but I think we're going to get that later on and that they need more time to build up to it so it's a real massive pay-off.

I'm so glad I heard all of your opinions on Pirates 3, because my wife and I had been debating going to see it and as it means taking time of work to do so, I definitely won't be doing that now.

Can I also just say that while the intro was interesting, I much prefer the movie intros and they seem to fit better with the show, even though the main focus is Movies and Video games.

Talking of Video Games, considering how much news got released last week, I'm quite suprised to see you chose to discuss the items you did. I pretty much had no interest in anything that was said in that segment this week, which is probably why I didn't enjoy the show quite as much.

I'm sure you'll be back on form next week.

Wes

p.s. The SW Celebration stuff was cool, but Alex really should have been wearing a gold bikini.

[weebl]

Erm...so.. I was bored and made a piece of graphics for episode 10... though I would post it here :)

http://amiciti.dk/images/trs_ep10.jpg

[gm_wil]

Them not liking Pirates 3 has nothing to do with your fussiness. You are still too fussy. Unfussy your self immediately. kthxbye!

Mwhahaha . . .

[kahunablair]

Great show guys. Loved the intro!

Can I just say that Dan's disgust for Pirates had me laughing? He didn't know what to complain about first so he just started babbling about each little thing and then wasn't finishing his thoughts. I don't think I've ever seen someone from this show that frustrated! Great job Dan!

[leslie-ann]

Loved the TV section this time. The last time it was done, I had to just skip the whole section because of the spoilers. It's a good call to do the section once every couple shows. Maybe a heads up on the shows that you're watching/looking into?

I was a fan of Heroes but the finale was so anticlimactic. I agree with Jeff: all I wanted was an epic battle with Sylar and Peter; and, it would have been so so rad if there was a team duke-out. They built up Sylar enough to be a formidable opponent against several people. They blew it.

Lost, I'm pumped on. I'm so excited that Brian K. Vaughan is writing for them now. Anyone else feel the same?? Jeff, I would think that you would want to get back into the series upon hearing that news (as you are a comic fan).

I agree with Dan when he said that watching them one after another is a lot better than having to wait weekly to see each episode because if I had to do that, I could see how I would have been bummed enough to drop it; yet, I have to disagree with Alex when he said that it shouldn't be like that.

I think that mini-series are becoming very movie-like. It's a dense show with intricate stories. I like that there are not immediate pay offs; I find it more true to life (and yes, I realize that I'm using that phrase in reference to an island that speaks to people and has polar bears and a giant black smoky mass monster) but it is that which will keep me coming back.

[smashingbazil]

At around 40:20, they pounded knuckles, but what happened to the rad explosion? I've been contemplating this all night yesterday and I've come up with a theory: The explosion did occur because the sound went off, but there was so much epicness around them with the convention and all that the explosion was only for an instance, and it got engulfed in the radness (like a bomb going off in the water).

I'm aware i'm being silly ;)

[trsjeff]

At around 40:20, they pounded knuckles, but what happened to the rad explosion? I've been contemplating this all night yesterday and I've come up with a theory: The explosion did occur because the sound went off, but there was so much epicness around them with the convention and all that the explosion was only for an instance, and it got engulfed in the radness (like a bomb going off in the water).

I'm aware i'm being silly ;)

Perfect explanation, Smashingbazil. You win a no-prize!

;)
-Jeff

[nobodysleeps]

I think this was the best ep yet.

Awesome intro by the way. Why didn't we ever think of remaking video game scenes for the intros?

[jagtar]

How come i havnt heard anything about prison break? I know season2 has finished, but its been a huge hit here in the UK, hasnt it been in the USA??

[kahunablair]

How come i havnt heard anything about prison break? I know season2 has finished, but its been a huge hit here in the UK, hasnt it been in the USA??

I personally loved the series when it started. Then I heard that it was going to be multiple seasons, so like an idiot I quit watching. I heard it was still pretty good though.

[irishpunk]

Best intro ever!

Ditto on that comment. Job well done on the intro. I couldn't stop myself laughing through the whole thing I lost it.

Also nice job in using Weird Al's "The Saga Begins" when showing Jeff, Alex, and Dan exploring the convention floor. Good song that gets stuck in my head and it's sad to say I can remember the lyrics to it but not the lyrics to "American Pie" which it is based off of.

[brettville]

Dan, what's up man? I loved the not finishing your sentences thing when you were frustrated about Pirates, but how can you drop a sentence like, "You guys know my history with Brett Ratner, right?" and not clue everyone in?!!

[masherscf]

I want to know if Danny stayed until the easter-egg scene after the credits of "Pirates." If not, how can he expect to judge a movie when he didn't see the entire thing?

;)

[gojira]

Was I the only person who noticed the poor placement of Jeff in the intro? It looked like Alex was pleasuring him. Maybe he should have worn green pants or something.

[matteekay]

As always, awesome show guys. I think it's so funny to watch "Heroes" and "Lost" fans go at it... oh right, "The Shield" fans too.... I don't watch much TV, so it's all the same to me. But good Pirates review, I'm going to check it out this weekend and see if it really is that much of a train wreck.

Any plans to see "Waitress" with Nathon Fillion?

[brannythebear]

I was totally getting a vibe from Dan while he was dressed up as George Lucas that he looked like Cornelius(David cross's character from arrested development) or even Cross himself dressed up as George Lucas.

[terby]

This episode reminded me why I love you so much Jeff (in the totally not gay way). You brought a lot of insight into the video game section. That whole discussion about where video games are headed and the implication of caring about the characters was really interesting.

I was kind of mad with the fact that Dan was the only one that saw the Lost season finale. God, it was so great. Jeff and Alex, you guys should seriously reconsider the show. It seems like there's a lot to hate about the show, but when you look back on it there's really so much more to love about it.

[gm_wil]

I'm thinking Jeff's passion for The Shield is starting to reflect my passion for Magnum P.I.

-

[thelostwoods]

I'm glad that I stuck with lost, because it did start to get so much better. It still worries me though. I know exactly what you guys mean, about getting out of a show and then trying to get back in. It's something you really have to commit to and few shows are capable of the amount of pure rad needed to pull you back in. I'm not really sure if Lost is, but I'd give it another chance if possible.

No love for Howard the Duck? Sure it's a terrible movie, but that doesn't stop me from watching it whenever I see it on. I'll always have a place in my heart for bad 80's movies.

[lowercase16]

The way you were talking about On the Lot is pretty much the way I feel about Last Comic Standing. All the coolness of the concept is wrapped up with promoting the art and giving a shot to people who deserve it.

Then Dat Phan won. Illusion: shattered. The man had no jokes beyond the standard "My immigrant mother talks funny" trope. Just... just awful. The only time he made me laugh the entire season was when the cast played a game of Hide and Seek, let Dat Phan hide, then promptly stopped playing.

I thought I'd give the second season a chance, but then they had that controversy where the producers overruled the celebrity comic judges to let an unfunny comic on the show. Presumably because he was "edgy", had a short temper and would cause drama with the other house mates.

It sounds like On the Lot is going down the same route. Pity, really.

Regarding why Peter from Heroes didn't fly off himself, I was under the impression that he could only use one power at a time, like Ultra Boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Boy).

[mormonrage]

Cornelius(David cross's character from arrested development)

Tobias Fünke

[mormonrage]

http://amiciti.dk/images/trs_ep10.jpg
That's awesome. Good job, weebl.

[joeleeriepa]

You guys rock as always, but that being said-

I am very disheartened that none of you got into Pirates 3, if you give in to the escapism everything you were hoping for is there. I have to agree with some of the other viewers- I would like a more concise Dan rant on why he didn't like the movie, because as it stands it seems like he hated it before he even stepped into the theater. I can't believe nobody mentioned the scene where the characters get out of Davey Jones' locker. Idea-wise to effects-wise it was absolutely brilliant. That's one of the greatest things about going to the movies- To see the impossible.

The SW Celebration stuff was great, glad to see you guys can still get jazzed and have fun despite any prequel hatred that might linger. It's been cool this last week seeing everyone just paying homage to that fateful spring of '77.

So disappointed that Jeff and Alex didn't catch up on Lost, but I'm glad to hear that you will give it a chance, Jeff. I hope Alex follows suit.

I think Dan is missing a key point in his analysis of the storytelling differences between Heroes and Lost. Lost employs this little storytelling genre called mystery, if the creators revealed everything in one season, and thought up "more cool shit" to keep the show going, then they would be jerking you around. Lost has a plan, and an endpoint- exactly how storytelling should be done.

Heroes, however, delivered an incredibly luke-warm finale. Sure it was enjoyable watching Heroes execute all its ideas throughout the season (despite some really bad writing), but in the end they apparently had none left. Thanks to time travel, and Issac's paintings, we already knew everything that was going to happen in that episode, and got to watch it all play out in thoroughly unspectacular fashion.

Dan- Your Valley Forge computer show reference put a smile on my face. I've been to more then my share at the VFCC, and they still have them every other month. :)

[shmoo]

Great episode! Loved the Star Wars bits, loved the discussions.

When Jeff started talking about emotional connections to video games, my first thoughts were immediately Prince of Persia:Sands of Time. Good to see Dan mentioning it, I think it resonated with a lot of people. I saw the "making of" video of the company making the game and it was obvious they put a lot of time and care into the production and the story.

I started playing Prince of Persia:Two Thrones and I was dissapointed because that same care was obviously missing.

... and Lost sucks, I gave up on it too.

EDIT: I think Dan is missing a key point in his analysis of the storytelling differences between Heroes and Lost. Lost employs this little storytelling genre called mystery, if the creators revealed everything in one season, and thought up "more cool shit" to keep the show going, then they would be jerking you around. Lost has a plan, and an endpoint- exactly how storytelling should be done.
Ugh, what are you talking about, seriously? The creators of Lost reveal absolutely nothing, and they constantly think up "more cool shit" to keep you distracted. What about that statue with 4 toes, or the black smoke that continues to be redefined, or the tailies who came and were quickly killed off , or how the Others went from being superhuman to superpussies, the numbers, etc. Do you really think the producers knew what they were doing when they finished season 1 with a look down a hatch door? Or ending season 2 with a huge purple-sky white-out explosion?

[dannyt]

So, I apologize for my non-specific and inconcise rant over Pirates 3. I really was planning on giving into the escapism and as I mentioned on the show I actually was into the opening (the musical number)but almost everything after that was confusing and did nothing for me. The moment you reference where they tip the ship over was kinda cool, ok. Other than that, I mean, even the second one had that scene in the swingy ball and the fight on the wheel--- 3rd movie, blah, nothing. There was no MOMENT or SCENE that comes close to any of the moments in Raiders, for instance-- no moment of peril or suspense, like the being chased by ball or fight under the plane propeller, or charismatic character beat for our heroes will turner and elizabeth swann. But it's all different for everyone, sometimes things just don't hit people the same way, all good.

As for Lost. I totally get it is a mystery. But so was a show called Veronica Mars that happened to set-up and payoff it's mysteries within a season yet still have over-arching ones for following seasons. My problem with Lost, wether they have all the shit figured out or not, and it is my belief that they DO have it figured out, in fact, you could probably say I KNOW they have it figured out, but my problem is that i feel like they spend all their time figuring out how much information they can get away with NOT giving as rather than continueing to come up with cool mystery after cool mystery. That being said, I am digging Lost again so, but that's because they stopped re-hashing the same back stories and started making stuff happen. As for Heroes, it is also a show with MANY mysteries but handles them in a better way, IMO. Although I do agree with you joel, that the finale was not so great.

Now everyone has to go see "The TV Set" before it leaves theaters if it is playing near you...

[imagineer99]

So, I apologize for my non-specific and inconcise rant over Pirates 3. I really was planning on giving into the escapism and as I mentioned on the show I actually was into the opening (the musical number)but almost everything after that was confusing and did nothing for me. The moment you reference where they tip the ship over was kinda cool, ok. Other than that, I mean, even the second one had that scene in the swingy ball and the fight on the wheel--- 3rd movie, blah, nothing. There was no MOMENT or SCENE that comes close to any of the moments in Raiders, for instance-- no moment of peril or suspense, like the being chased by ball or fight under the plane propeller, or charismatic character beat for our heroes will turner and elizabeth swann. But it's all different for everyone, sometimes things just don't hit people the same way, all good.


And, this is why I love you.

In a totally non-gay way of course...;)

[dignan17]

Re: Lost

I can definitely see why people abandoned the show (well, not really, because I have a terrible habit of sticking with shows, even if I don't like them).

I was the only person in my group of Lost watchers that didn't like season two. However, I think the problem was that it had no chance of living up to season one, which in my mind is possibly the most perfect season of television ever created. Season two meandered and never really offered memorable events. Thinking back, I can't really remember much of what happened. I just have images of jungles in my head :)

Season three started to worry me, and right up through episode 7 it looked like this would be just like season two. But the entire show turned around after that. As far as I'm concerned, episode 8 of season three ("Flashes Before Your Eyes") is just as good as any episode in season one, and is now one of my top three episodes of the show. They finally got back to making us feel for the characters.

After that there's been a few passable episodes, but on the whole the second half of season three was very strong, and I can't wait to hear the what Jeff and Alex have to say about it when/if they pick it up.

And Dan, I have to respectfully disagree. Lost answers questions left and right, and I never get the sense that they're devoting most of their time to obscuring the truth. They have to do a little of that, or the show wouldn't be as interesting, but they seem to be doing exactly what they should be. I absolutely love the pace they're going at. I eat it up.

[dignan17]

I'll repost a summary of my "Heroes Challenge" here, since it relates to this episode.

Answer me the following two questions logically:

Why did Peter explode?

What did Hiro do after he returned from the future that prevented the explosion?

[brannythebear]

Shoot Me Now

[kahunablair]

Do you really think the producers knew what they were doing when they finished season 1 with a look down a hatch door? Or ending season 2 with a huge purple-sky white-out explosion?

Wow. Ok the Hatch set up that there was something more to the island then just scary guys and a monster. The opening of that hatch kicked off a whole new story arc. The purple thing in the sky was accompanied by Micheal and Walt getting off the island, Jack, Kate and Sawyer getting captured. Both of which began the next phases of the story. Plus it started the domino effect that resulted in these years finale.

[kahunablair]

I'll repost a summary of my "Heroes Challenge" here, since it relates to this episode.

Answer me the following two questions logically:

Why did Peter explode?

What did Hiro do after he returned from the future that prevented the explosion?

Peter exploded because he obviously still can't control his powers. Last time he met Sylar (Not the time he ended up dead, the one before that), he lost it and went into a coma. Maybe this time he still lost it, but instead of vegging out he lost his control.

Hiro's real job wasn't to stop the explosion, that wasn't any of the "Heroes" job. The explosion was going to happen no matter what. It was one of the points in time that Future Hiro said no matter what, stayed the same.

[radmax]

Ok guys...you can't say that because they didn't stay until after the credits on Pirates they didn't see the whole thing.

After the credits crap is way to hedge your bets. Prof X is dead...not unless we want ot bring him back and we can use that easter egg for a way to write it off. Bullseye is dead? Well...if the movie does well let's put a scene with him at the end in a bodycast just in case. Masters of the Universe could be a trilogy...let's put Skeletor at the end saying he will be back...just in case.

Next you will be saying..well you haven't got the full movie until you watch the deleted scenes.

What about bloopers playing during the credits? Should that be canon?

During the credits of "Rock Star" when the crew play a Marky Mark song...should that be taken into account when reviewing it?

I think if you rely on that logic and you depend on that to tell your story and defend your movie..you shouldn't be allowed near a film set.

Look at Wild Things. They filled in all the gaps during the credits. WTF? Either go all the way and don't show the audience...you do it during the friggin movie.

If they added something at the end of Pirates...then it is not theit fault for not watching that and bringing that into their feelings of the movie.

[radmax]

oh and another thing about Heroes. when hiro tries and fails to save his waitress gf he says no matter what he does he can't change the past...then claire should have died.

or why didn't future sylar go back in time before sylar learned he had powers and kill him? he would haved saved a lot of people that way.

the problem is they brought time travel into the show and the writers either aren't smart enough for such a complicated power or they are lazy.

[joeleeriepa]

Great episode! Loved the Star Wars bits, loved the discussions.

When Jeff started talking about emotional connections to video games, my first thoughts were immediately Prince of Persia:Sands of Time. Good to see Dan mentioning it, I think it resonated with a lot of people. I saw the "making of" video of the company making the game and it was obvious they put a lot of time and care into the production and the story.

I started playing Prince of Persia:Two Thrones and I was dissapointed because that same care was obviously missing.

... and Lost sucks, I gave up on it too.

EDIT:
Ugh, what are you talking about, seriously? The creators of Lost reveal absolutely nothing, and they constantly think up "more cool shit" to keep you distracted. What about that statue with 4 toes, or the black smoke that continues to be redefined, or the tailies who came and were quickly killed off , or how the Others went from being superhuman to superpussies, the numbers, etc. Do you really think the producers knew what they were doing when they finished season 1 with a look down a hatch door? Or ending season 2 with a huge purple-sky white-out explosion?

Well, if you would have stuck with the show then the answer to all your questions is- YES. They are building something, and it tickles your imagination and keeps you thinking. Season 3 has proven many times over that there is a reason for everything, and that they have had these things planned from the beginning.

If you don't watch then you really can't comment.

[joeleeriepa]

So, I apologize for my non-specific and inconcise rant over Pirates 3. I really was planning on giving into the escapism and as I mentioned on the show I actually was into the opening (the musical number)but almost everything after that was confusing and did nothing for me. The moment you reference where they tip the ship over was kinda cool, ok. Other than that, I mean, even the second one had that scene in the swingy ball and the fight on the wheel--- 3rd movie, blah, nothing. There was no MOMENT or SCENE that comes close to any of the moments in Raiders, for instance-- no moment of peril or suspense, like the being chased by ball or fight under the plane propeller, or charismatic character beat for our heroes will turner and elizabeth swann. But it's all different for everyone, sometimes things just don't hit people the same way, all good.

As for Lost. I totally get it is a mystery. But so was a show called Veronica Mars that happened to set-up and payoff it's mysteries within a season yet still have over-arching ones for following seasons. My problem with Lost, wether they have all the shit figured out or not, and it is my belief that they DO have it figured out, in fact, you could probably say I KNOW they have it figured out, but my problem is that i feel like they spend all their time figuring out how much information they can get away with NOT giving as rather than continueing to come up with cool mystery after cool mystery. That being said, I am digging Lost again so, but that's because they stopped re-hashing the same back stories and started making stuff happen. As for Heroes, it is also a show with MANY mysteries but handles them in a better way, IMO. Although I do agree with you joel, that the finale was not so great.

Now everyone has to go see "The TV Set" before it leaves theaters if it is playing near you...

Thanks, Dan. Seriously.

I completely respect your opinions, and I am thrilled you guys come on the forums and interact with your fans. It's the genuine boon of your podcast.

And thanks for clarifying your Pirates 3 thoughts. While I obviously disagree, I can totally respect where you are coming from. Maybe I am just a sucker for the escapism epics :)

Also, I should say that I give you enormous credit for actually going back to Lost, and I am really glad you dig it again.

I hope my original comments didn't come off as too harsh, that wasn't my intention, just passionate geek fandom rearing it's ugly (but well groomed) head.

Like Imagineer99 said above- I love you guys (in a totally non-gay way), and love the show (in a completely flaming gay way).

Keep it up.

[trsjeff]

I am on record as saying I will give season 3 a chance on DVD, but...

Argue what you will about slow burn vs reveal, or mystery vs new cool shit, but the thing that made me walk away in the first place is none of that. What ultimately frustrated me the most was the fact that the characters stopped doing the LOGICAL thing in the situation in which they found themselves. In season one, I was able to relate to this fantastic situation because most of the characters behaved in a way that made me think "Wow, is that what I would do there?" or "Oh, smart! I may not have thought of that!" But at a certain point (and it feels that it was for the sake of "mystery" or what have you) NONE of the characters seemed to do the logical thing. NONE of them asked the simplest questions of each other. NONE of them reacted REALISTICALLY to the strange occurances on the island. I began to feel like the show was all the way up its own ass, forgetting the simple premise that hooked me: What would you do in this situation?

So I stopped watching.

I like Heroes (despite its uneven acting and sometimes poor execution) because (so far) it has stuck to the "real people in fantastic situations" premise. Although I should say, it is clearly the Comics for Dummies version of superheroes.

Anyway, that's where I stand. I reserve the right to change my mind upon seeing all of season 3 of Lost.

-Jeff

[radmax]

I can totally see where Jeff is coming from and think it as a very interesting comment of the show that I have felt, but never put into words.

They have people that can shed some light on the whole thing and they never really ask...what is going on here?

To me the one that I could relate to most was Charlie...not really a leader or a hero in most situations...just a guy. I remember in a promo before the show ever aired he said "Guys, where are we?" and that was a perfect set up for the show.

In one of the recent episodes he say, "Why does everything have to always be a secret?".

I think he is the voice for a lot of people with those comments, but I agree that a lot of the ppl there don't do the most basic things most ppl would do.

Oh..and btw...if they do go all flash forwards. How cool will it be to see Jin speaking perfect english?

[wideawakewesley]

Jeff,

You're spot on with your comments. The inability of the majority of characters to ask questions at the appropriate time is probably the worst part of the show. Fortunately, in recent episodes, when I've been thinking why doesn't he just ask, all of a sudden they do. They're still not asking all the questions they need to, but they're at least asking some, rather than blindly allowing all this weirdness to happen without questioning it.

Wes

[hakukaji]

I LOVED the intro!!! Alex was being such a goofball! Bravo!

[iggystar]

I think I'm going to start a TRS drinking game. Everytime Alex's adds the suffix "-sies" to the end of a word I'm going to take a shot (For example, "Were here at the Star Wars Celebration, numero four-sies"). After watching several episodes back-to-back that just stuck out. :)

The episodes get better and better. Love, love, love the intros.

On The Lot: I LOVE the premise of this show. I'm all at message boards posting away about this one. I completely agree with Jeff that the American Idol-style judging is horrible!

Hopefully, TRS guys you watched the last episode where they indeed showed all 18 shorts, all 1-minute comedies. There is so much wrong with this production!!!! The host, the judges, American getting to vote!

The thing that saved it for me was the actual shorts! Some were really funny, some were bad, but I loved being able to see 18 different director's visions on what would be funny in 1 minute. When I had my brother watch it with me on DVR later that evening, we fast forwarded through all the filler.

I loved Project Greenlight, but there was little payoff. I honestly didn't know what a producer did on a movie until PG. This could be a wonderful retool of that show. Give us what it takes to direct, get some credible judges to make the cuts, show us more of the finished product and leave America with it questionable tastes out of it all together.

We'll see what happens.

[hakukaji]

I think I'm going to start a TRS drinking game. Everytime Alex's adds the suffix "-sies" to the end of a word I'm going to take a shot (For example, "Were here at the Star Wars Celebration, numero four-sies"). After watching several episodes back-to-back that just stuck out. :)



I'm down! Sounds like a great idea.

[divadawg9234]

I'm down! Sounds like a great idea.who loves drinking games?! I LOVE DRINKING GAMES!!! I'm in ;)

[hakukaji]

who loves drinking games?! I LOVE DRINKING GAMES!!! I'm in ;)

3 people in 3 cities! hahaha. Still it sounds like a great idea

[dignan17]

"What ultimately frustrated me the most was the fact that the characters stopped doing the LOGICAL thing in the situation in which they found themselves."

Jeff, I can't argue with that. I love the show, but aside from the lousy love triangle (well, love...square), my least favorite thing about the show is the character interaction.

In fact, I think it was only halfway through the third season that any of the survivors asked one of the Others the basic question: "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE??" It just frustrated me that nobody asked that, regardless of the situation. I don't care if the Others don't answer. All I want is for someone to ask "Yo, what's up with you guys and this islad?" So Kate gets a little bit of credit for being the first person to ask that :)

Anyway, aside from that, I don't have any complaints about the show. I'm happy that they have a gameplan, or at least a target end date. I just wish I didn't have to wait 7 months :)

[phillip-litt]

When Dan said, "I don't think so Tim", I about lost it! I am stealing that and adding it to my daily vernacular.

[radmax]

When Dan said, "I don't think so Tim", I about lost it! I am stealing that and adding it to my daily vernacular.

I have a cousin that won an Al look-alike contest back in the day. That phrase is gold in the right crowd.

[masherscf]

I'm beginning to regret stepping out of "Heros" after the first twenty-minutes of the pilot. Should I wait to a Netfliction the DVD set, or do I fire up Azureus?

[kahunablair]

I'm beginning to regret stepping out of "Heros" after the first twenty-minutes of the pilot. Should I wait to a Netfliction the DVD set, or do I fire up Azureus?

I saw the pilot episode from Comic Con and I was really unimpressed. I thought the story was horrible. But then I saw the premiere episode where they re-edited it, and I couldn't believe it was the same show.

[tink2112]

danny t you have further cemented my geek love for you by referencing veronica mars as a superior television show!!!
also i really loved the playing of weird al in the montage, kudos for that!
lastly the outakes in the credits had me in fits at work, looking like a fool. only for you guys, only for you :)

and for the other ladies, who else owns pants jeff can fit into?? and subquestion does anyone else feel a little funn about picturing him in yours? :)

[cdrury]

Thanks, Dan. Seriously.

I completely respect your opinions, and I am thrilled you guys come on the forums and interact with your fans. It's the genuine boon of your podcast.

And thanks for clarifying your Pirates 3 thoughts. While I obviously disagree, I can totally respect where you are coming from. Maybe I am just a sucker for the escapism epics :)

Also, I should say that I give you enormous credit for actually going back to Lost, and I am really glad you dig it again.

I hope my original comments didn't come off as too harsh, that wasn't my intention, just passionate geek fandom rearing it's ugly (but well groomed) head.

Like Imagineer99 said above- I love you guys (in a totally non-gay way), and love the show (in a completely flaming gay way).

Keep it up.
I agree with Dan Pirates 3 was a total disappointment. Everything that worked in the first movie disappeared in parts two and three. I love a good escapism but I came very close to walking out as well.

Escapism requires tension, intrigue, and putting the characters in peril. I saw very little of that. The one truly inspired moment was turning the ship upside down, but they played that out way too long - did they really need to run side to side so many times.

Maybe if it had been 40 minutes shorter I might have escaped but it took so long to get going did not do it for me. I respect that you enjoyed it and more power to you because I expect that I am in the minority, but I agree with Dan and loved that he hated it so much he could not talk about it at length.

[az0madman]

I wanted to get into Heroes, but the promos I saw for it when it was starting weren't that impressive. After hearing the good about it though, I gotta give it a chance, despite the negative finale. Apparently everything leading up to it was awesome.

I reserve the right to change my mind upon seeing all of season 3 of Lost.

Just make sure you watch ALL of season 3 because I thought the first half (before that break they had) was lacking but sticking it out for the rest of the season proved worth it.

[thementalteen]

This episode was awesome! Even though I didn't know what game you were copying in the intro (I'm 14, alright?!), it was still cool looking.

But really? You guys hated PotC3? I thought the action and CGI was awesome but couldn't get the story very well, even after watching PotC2 multiple times before this.

Also, that when one of the 3 (sorry, can't remember who's who!) said that Avatar had better action scenes than this, I just thought "ooohhh...burn!" cause shows never do better than movies, but in this case, I guess so, lol. Then again, Avatar is the best show ever to be aired on Nickelodeon (Spongebob is over, NO ONE LIKES IT!!).

Oh, and Totally Rad Show guys, if you're reading this and are continuing to watch and love Avatar, DON'T GET INTO SHIPPING!!! Seriously, people take that stuff so seriously that they curse an threaten each other on a few sites I saw supporting their ships.

[puddlefish]

Completely agree with Dan's assessment of Pirates 3, I didn't follow most of the film, not because it was intricate or clever, but because I could be bothered paying even a small bit of attention to it.

[masherscf]

Completely agree with Dan's assessment of Pirates 3, I didn't follow most of the film, not because it was intricate or clever, but because I could be bothered paying even a small bit of attention to it.

Yet another, "It sucked because I don't know why, I didn't bother watching" review. Honestly, why do you even bother?

I was very temped to become disengaged from this movie early on. Indeed, It wasn't until The Black Pearl came over that sand dune with Johnny Depp on the mast that I had my first true moment of actual enjoyment.

The movie has pacing problems, especially early on. I don't think it was too long save that they tried to do too much.

The movie really suffers from what almost every other twenty-first century action movie does. The scenes are too short and the are too many of them. It reduces the narrative to the cinematic equivalent of a roller-coaster. Ironic, since the movie is based on a theme park ride.

I can understand if someone was not engaged, but some of these online critiques are positively worthless.

A proper critique is fully faceted. Not only do you have to say it sucked, you should say why. What sucked? When did it suck most? This would be interesting.

Jeff didn't like the movie, but at least he gave respectable details about exactly why he felt that way. When you hear an opinion like that, you can understand it. Even if you disagree with the overall impression of a film, there is room for a common experience.

I'll forgive Dan for his lame, "Hated it, hated it, hated it..." assessment because the delivery was funny. However, these ditto-headed posts that imitate that level of depth are seriously pathetic.

They are the worst kind of troll-bait.

[puddlefish]

Well excuuuuse me for not fulfilling your requirements .... but what I wrote wasn't a review, it was a comment. There's a difference.

Here's my review:

The movie didn't hold my attention, I didn't give a crap about anything that was happening or anybody it was happening too, it bored the hell out me and was extremely long. Worst of all, they completely wasted the only good character they had (Davy Jones). Add to that the fact that Orlando Bloom is one of the most uncharismatic excuses for an actor that I've ever seen, and you have a completely horrible cinema experience. If it engaged me in any way I would have more to say, but as it didn't, I don't.

You can take the shortness of my "review" as a sign of my absolute contempt for both part 2 and 3 of this series.

By the way, there's nothing "pathetic" about someone agreeing with someone else's opinion. If you feel the need to be different, fine. If you feel the need to defend a movie you liked, fine. But a little politeness and tolerance costs nothing and makes everyone's life a lot more pleasant.

[filch]

I think I'm going to start a TRS drinking game. Everytime Alex's adds the suffix "-sies" to the end of a word I'm going to take a shot (For example, "Were here at the Star Wars Celebration, numero four-sies"). After watching several episodes back-to-back that just stuck out. :)



Don't forget to add each time he uses "literally". He literally uses it at least once an episode :) At least he uses it correctly though.

[filch]

Speaking of games that moved you emotionally or excited you via it's story telling or characters....

The Dig and Beyond Good and Evil

Yeah? Anyone? These two games left me long lasting impressions. I can't think of a more recent game that has done it as well as these two.

[puddlefish]

I'd add the original Gabriel Knight for story telling. Loved the way the story unfolded in that.

The feelings of guilt that I experienced while playing Shadow of the Colossus (the first couple of colossi, before they started to fight back) and Pikmin (everytime a bunch of them got gobbled up I almost felt sick) almost stopped me playing both games. Almost...

I think fear is the only strong emotion that video games have gotten right so far. Some have made me very angry, but I don't think that was on purpose.

[filch]

Loved Pikmin, and I did feel bad if they died. I also felt guilty for killing some of the colossi, but not to the point I wanted to quit.

On the flip side, I've stopped playing some games because I was too freaked out. I have yet to finish a Silent Hill game b/c of stuff like that. I would feel the anxiety set in just thinking about loading it up.

[masherscf]

By the way, there's nothing "pathetic" about someone agreeing with someone else's opinion.

Relax buddy, I was perfectly polite. I just took exception to you passing judgment on a movie that you admittedly payed no attention to.

I should caution you about trying to start a flame war here.

Well excuuuuse me for not fulfilling your requirements ....

This sort of tone is a little provocative.

[dannyt]

Speaking of games that moved you emotionally or excited you via it's story telling or characters....

The Dig and Beyond Good and Evil

Yeah? Anyone? These two games left me long lasting impressions. I can't think of a more recent game that has done it as well as these two.

I was gonna SAY "Beyond Good and Evil" it was a great game and I actually got into the story.

AND-- Psychonauts-- I loved the writing, the dialogue and the simple yet engaging story that felt like you were playing a saturday morning cartoon...

[tink2112]

hows this for funny, on imdb.com today, their quote of the day is from howard the duck..... :) nice

[puddlefish]

Relax buddy, I was perfectly polite. I just took exception to you passing judgment on a movie that you admittedly payed no attention to.

I should caution you about trying to start a flame war here.



This sort of tone is a little provocative.



Fair enough, I've no interest in flame wars, just found your post a little arrogant, but I obviously mis read your tone.

I see comments like mine, that don't go into much detail, as the equivalent of a show of hands. I just wanted to say I thought the movie was terrible but didn't want to spend much more time on it than that. I often find posts like this useful if I'm trying to decide to see a movie or not, just to gauge people's reactions, when I don't want to read a complete review (in case of spoilers). In my opinion a brief "loved it / hated it" comment is perfectly valid here.

Peace :)

[puddlefish]

Loved Pikmin, and I did feel bad if they died. I also felt guilty for killing some of the colossi, but not to the point I wanted to quit.

On the flip side, I've stopped playing some games because I was too freaked out. I have yet to finish a Silent Hill game b/c of stuff like that. I would feel the anxiety set in just thinking about loading it up.


I loved the first Silent Hill game. It was the first console game that had that freaky effect on me. Before that System Shock 2 was the scariest game I'd played.

I can't think of any game besides Ico and Shadow of the Colossus that made me feel affectionately towards a NPC thought... they're usually annoying as all hell, particularly when you have to protect them.

I stopped playing Beyond Good and Evil a few hours in. Got a little bored with it. I'm feeling like I should give it a second chance though, a lot of people seem to hold it in high regard.

[filch]

AND-- Psychonauts-- I loved the writing, the dialogue and the simple yet engaging story that felt like you were playing a saturday morning cartoon...


ACK! How could I forget Psychonauts. It was so funny, and you nailed it in regards to it being like playing a sat morning cartoon. It's too bad it didn't get the recognition it deserved.

I'd love to see the story turned into a feature length film.

[masherscf]

Fair enough, I've no interest in flame wars, just found your post a little arrogant, but I obviously mis read your tone.

Peace :)

I don't think you misread it, the tone was arrogant. I just wasn't that serious. I write on these boards as a form of entertainment, so I usually avoid speaking seriously.

I was trying to tweak your nose a little bit, but not slap you in the face. This is a discussion board and I wanted to draw you out over the subject.

I don't see much use in prefacing opinions or statements with obligatory qualifiers. I just assume people with consider the opinions or statements on their own value. It can sometimes seem a little absolute, but that's an occupational hazard of writing mathematics.

[treats]

I'm disappointed that you guys went so easy on the Heroes finale. I cannot overstate how disappointed I was with this episode. I felt used. I really felt like they chickened out. The city was supposed to be distroyed. We saw it destroyed, it was painted destroyed, every other thing that was painted happened. They just couldn't have a show where New York City blows up. It would have been a million times better if they had still blown up the city, but somehow saved all the people (evacutation?) There were plenty of other problems with the show that you guys touched on (disappointing fight scene, inconsistant powers) but I really think the way they chose to wrap up the plot was lamer than lame.

As for Pirates, it was mildly entertaining and appoximately lived up to my expectations. My biggest problem was with the post credits thing. Somebody told me to make sure I waited past the credits (which were almost as long as the movie itself) and watch the awesome secret stuff. I thought it would be hilarious out takes. Instead it was lame stuff that I could have guessed anyway.

[magicstorm]

Well I love to hear the comments from the show... but... I loved Pirates of the Caribbean 3... Even though it was long it did not feel overwhelming to me... I could not believe you guys hated it so much (not counting Alex that did not find it completely awful)....


About games capturing you and making you feel for the character (involving you like a movie)... how about the Final fantasy games?!?! FF VI has the most gripping moment in a video game, and will forever be engraved in my mind... when Sephirot <insert verb> Aeris!!, how about the Symphony in Final Fantasy III (american III that is)... You really felt for the characters and what was happening!! Even Final Fantasy X... in which in the end you are left so stunned that they made a second part to answer some of the questions left out and I really really felt for Tidus and Yuna.... or even Suikoden III when the story is given through the eyes of the three players in the story and you really get pulled in....

RPG's have been involving the player into the story from the beggining... and you want to end the game, most of the time, to know what is happening!

I know RPG's are not for everyone, but at least in my view the story is one of the most important elements in them... and they truly are interactive movies (even those that do not have different ending) because they are telling a story in which you feel you are part of.

Anyway this are opinions :)

Keep up the good work!!

[tweaq]

Great episode as usually. You guys really should do like 3 episodes a week. Anyway, the best part of this episode was at 33:39 with Jeff. You sound like a ****ing badass, like you are gonna whip some ass with that one line.
I'm ready to talk.
totally rad!

ok corrections, after watching the rest of the episode its a 3 way tie:
Jeff's I'm ready to talk, Dan's long setup for why Endgame's voice recognition is a gimmick, and the end "song"

[nobodysleeps]

I can't stop saying "The Booge"

[crazymike]

You guys were WAY too soft on the Hero's finale. God what a let down. I'm a huge fan of the show but that final episode was no where near as good as it could have been. If any show this season cried out for a two hour finale that one did. Even my wife, who only watches the show occasionally when I do, commented right away with "that's it?".

As far as I'm concerned here's how I sum up the whole LOST/Hero's/The Shield thing. LOST was hardly a "must see" all season up until the finale where it payed off. Hero's was a total "must see" all season right up until the finale where it left things limp. The shield was "MUST SEE" all season, payed off at the finale, and Vic is THE MAN and anyone who doesn't see that shouldn't be allowed to own a TV. :D

[wideawakewesley]

When Peter and Sylar face off in the eventual battle to end all battles, you'll appreciate why it didn't happen at the end of this series. Also, as far as power's inconsistencies go, they can all be explained away (as Alex mentioned) mainly because we don't know all the gory details of specifically how everything works (which is a good thing imo).

I'm not wanting to defend the finale, it was disappointing, but I think it was only disappointing because they'd built expectations a little too high. In the end, it wrapped up the story in a nice little bow, sowed a few seeds for next season and once again teased the battle we're all dying to see. Had the show writers been told they weren't getting a second season, I'd imagine that final episode may have been a bit different, but I'm happy with what I got and I'll be back for more next year.

Wes