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nroa9882
06-07-2007, 12:02 AM
I think this is a controversial subject and I just wanted to weigh in my opinion and see others as well.

I started reading comics sometimes in the 90s. I know my first superhero comics was Justice League Europe #41, but I had been reading Archie comics and the like before that (does that count?). At the time I started, I knew no one else who read comics.

I later convinced my best friend at the time to try some comics and quickly converted him into a full blown addict. The beauty was that we got to read double the comics we could afford. He was a big batman guy and bought all the bat books whereas I was a big superman guy and bought all those books. Then each week we'd switch.

Well after going to college way far away(Michigan for me and Chicago for him), we tried to keep up. When we were both home for breaks we would pass over massive piles of comics and try to get through them while ignoring our families during Christmas. Soon I moved even farther away (California bound) and it all fell apart. He has since stopped buying comics at all due to lack of funds.

I still go to the comic store every week. I try to feung shui my law school schedule and work schedule so as to leave wednesday open for comics (if not I settle for thursday). I buy over 30 titles a month. I also download comics.

I feel that I can't afford to buy 60 books a month, but why not read the other books anyway. Let me be clear, there is no way I would buy this comic if I couldn't download it. For example, Heroes for Hire? ehh...I'm not that into it. I would never buy one issue, because its just not my book. But will I read it for free off the net...you bet.

And I get it, I'm ripping off writers, artists, and companies. But if I wasn't going to buy it anyway, what harm does it create? I've actually found it gets me buying more books. I feel a lot more comfortable impulse buying random issues. If I go into the store and I see something that I don't buy (but read anyway) and it looks to be a good issue, I'll buy it. But if I hadn't read all the crappy issues before it...I probably wouldn't. Never before would I buy a random issue, because I hate having not full runs (its a problem that unfortunately ebay has been all too helpful is solving to the dismay of my wallet).

My last point involves massive crossovers. I'm sorry, but despite what they say most of the minis or side issues that come with a crossover are not essential at all. Many change nothing. I used to feel pressure to get as many as possible because I felt like I was missing out and then I would be constantly disappointed. Now I can read the main story, pick out the side stuff I enjoy, and peruse the remaining stuff on my computer. And if it seems excited or important, I'll go out and buy it.

Well...I'm not sure I came to a conclusion, but work is over...so I'm out of here. But I just wanted to post on this and see your feelings. Please don't hate me because of it. I only do it because I love comics and can never be reading enough.

c0r3file
06-07-2007, 01:30 AM
It's too bad comics book distributors haven't taken their products online. The web would be the perfect delivery vector. Since the content is short and episodic it would keep a group of paying site members coming back over and over, which would mean good advertising space for banners and a way to expose readers to more material. "No way I would pay for that" you say, but I'm talking like $5 per month, nothing crazy. Maybe you could pick from a list of comics to add to your account, like picking from a Netflix list.

I realize comics naturally lose something when you stop printing them on paper and just read them online, I'm just saying that publishers could make some money and fans could benefit if new comics or established ones with smaller audiences were on a website where you pay a few bucks per month for a membership.

I think that would satisfy the original poster's need for ubiquitous comics at a low price point.

wideawakewesley
06-07-2007, 08:06 AM
It's the same with a great deal of piracy, a lot of the stuff people download they wouldn't go out and buy anyway, but at the same time, it can then become habit forming and I'm sure there's times you've probably thought, why buy this one when I can download it for free. Ideally the people that make comics would provide a way for you to read them online for less money.

Wes

poltah
06-07-2007, 12:27 PM
I later convinced my best friend at the time to try some comics and quickly converted him into a full blown addict. The beauty was that we got to read double the comics we could afford. He was a big batman guy and bought all the bat books whereas I was a big superman guy and bought all those books. Then each week we'd switch.

Well after going to college way far away(Michigan for me and Chicago for him), we tried to keep up. When we were both home for breaks we would pass over massive piles of comics and try to get through them while ignoring our families during Christmas. Soon I moved even farther away (California bound) and it all fell apart. He has since stopped buying comics at all due to lack of funds.

I still go to the comic store every week. I try to feung shui my law school schedule and work schedule so as to leave wednesday open for comics (if not I settle for thursday). I buy over 30 titles a month. I also download comics.

I feel that I can't afford to buy 60 books a month, but why not read the other books anyway. Let me be clear, there is no way I would buy this comic if I couldn't download it. For example, Heroes for Hire? ehh...I'm not that into it. I would never buy one issue, because its just not my book. But will I read it for free off the net...you bet.

And I get it, I'm ripping off writers, artists, and companies. But if I wasn't going to buy it anyway, what harm does it create? I've actually found it gets me buying more books. I feel a lot more comfortable impulse buying random issues. If I go into the store and I see something that I don't buy (but read anyway) and it looks to be a good issue, I'll buy it. But if I hadn't read all the crappy issues before it...I probably wouldn't. Never before would I buy a random issue, because I hate having not full runs (its a problem that unfortunately ebay has been all too helpful is solving to the dismay of my wallet).

My last point involves massive crossovers. I'm sorry, but despite what they say most of the minis or side issues that come with a crossover are not essential at all. Many change nothing. I used to feel pressure to get as many as possible because I felt like I was missing out and then I would be constantly disappointed. Now I can read the main story, pick out the side stuff I enjoy, and peruse the remaining stuff on my computer. And if it seems excited or important, I'll go out and buy it.

Well...I'm not sure I came to a conclusion, but work is over...so I'm out of here. But I just wanted to post on this and see your feelings. Please don't hate me because of it. I only do it because I love comics and can never be reading enough.


If you ask me, there's no excuse for downloading comics illegally. It's wrong. I don't care if you can't afford them anyways, if you would never buy them anyways. If you want a product, you have to pay for it. It's the way the world works.
And why should everyone else pay, when you don't? WHen you think "Hey, there's nothing wrong with me downloading comics", you are pissing on every paying dude out there.

Moreover, the downloading stuff illegally has only just begun. It's becoming more and more common, and it's only a matter of time before it's going to really hurt the industry.

You don't have a RIGHT to read comics. If you want to read a comic, you SHOULD have to buy it.

kahunablair
06-07-2007, 12:51 PM
For the guys that are talking about downloading comics legally, I've got a site for you.

Out of all the places I've seen online, one of the sites, actually does a pretty good job. No flash crap, you can actually keep it on your computer for later, blah blah blah.

www.pullboxonline.com

If anyone knows of another place that actually allows you to download comics, that handles it like PullBox, please share!

masherscf
06-07-2007, 02:41 PM
I'm not sure where the controversy is.

You're making copies of artwork without the consent of the copyright holders. No amount of passion is going to absolve you of that.

On the other hand, why feel so bad about it? It's not like your picking anyone's pocket, is it?

People will read comics while browsing, don't they? I doubt everyone buys every book they read.

Have publishers incurred a direct finical loss from your illicit online browsing?

Isn't there an intrinsic value to an originally pressed comic book that isn't diminished by facsimile?

Legally speaking, you're stealing. But, I have trouble condemning you for it.